James (Johnson not Austin) is such a slow learner that in response to someone else going it's okay, you don't need to try and curry favour with Sunder Katwala is to say oh, he's had Sunder 'delightfully muted' for some time, and it's like: James, what is your understanding of how you got here? - ThreadSky

stephenkb.bsky.social • 19 days ago

James (Johnson not Austin) is such a slow learner that in response to someone else going it's okay, you don't need to try and curry favour with Sunder Katwala is to say oh, he's had Sunder 'delightfully muted' for some time, and it's like: James, what is your understanding of how you got here?

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paulshrews33.bsky.social•19 days ago

James Johnson is a good pollster and shite political analyst/ commentator and that is as diplomatic as I care to be.

leftback.bsky.social•19 days ago

Oh he's very good at tuning his polls to what the people paying for them want to see. The effect is... not subtle.

redneeraj.bsky.social•19 days ago

A recent effect being a Labour landslide.

leftback.bsky.social•19 days ago

Pour one out for People Polling, who predicted the landslide long in advance abd desperately wanted to avoid it to the point they started weighting almost every 'don't know' to reform in the last few days thinking they could will it into being.

sticketypooh.bsky.social•19 days ago

Well, quite. I would also hazard a guess that these people who "started out with entirely legitimate views" in fact always held these more extreme racist views, they just feel emboldened to say it out loud now.

zatapatique.bsky.social•19 days ago

extremely strong "My "Not involved in debating the citizenship status of this prominent brown man" T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my shirt" energy there

stephenkb.bsky.social•19 days ago

One of the more bleakly funny things about the present moment are the people who are half self-aware, like Nate Silver slagging off Bluesky on Twitter but remembering he needs to censor the *word* Bluesky not to get squashed by X's algorithm, and it's like: my man, how have you got here?

stephenkb.bsky.social•19 days ago

James Johnson, pausing to go 'how have we got here?' then half an hour later, not in any way trying to defend the idea that Rishi Sunak is English, just immediately going 'oh yeah, Sunder Katwala is awful' - sums up why the UK right is in a mess much better than anything else, frankly.

pascallth.bsky.social•19 days ago

These same people, who openly reject anything other than right wing voices, will then say Bluesky is bad because it's an echo chamber

dhanendran.co.uk•19 days ago

Not your point but I enjoyed the bit in the clip where when Kisin says "how is he English" the other bloke* does a note-perfect sideways worry look to the camera.

*Other bloke is apparently so nondescript that until today I had no idea there even was another bloke on the Kisin podcast

morralexand.bsky.social•19 days ago

Is this just the cynical thing where racists (or their apologists) are happy to defend non-whites so long as they are on the "team", but anyone else is fair game to them?

stephenkb.bsky.social•19 days ago

No, it's not savvy, it's just stupid and destructive.

colinelves.bsky.social•18 days ago

US Conservatives were lost as soon as they decided aTrump presidency was preferable to their principles.

British conservatives were lost as soon as they decided a Boris Johnson government was preferable to their principles.

willcooling.bsky.social•18 days ago

The Nate Silver situation is getting even funnier/more pathetic - he's now bleating about how boring Twitter is, now that the Musk bros are all busy gloating about Trump. https://x.com/NateSilver538/status/1891636526129225841

willcooling.bsky.social•18 days ago

Thing is you can tell this will not inspire any self-reflection about how he has so often cheerled these very same people, but instead that they let him down will merely confirm to him that he is a uniquely independent-minded hero

moyeen.bsky.social•19 days ago

Because politicians indulged the whole “very real concerns” mob. It was and remains easier to scapegoat than face up to hard political choices.

moyeen.bsky.social•19 days ago

Removal of perceived identity is gem followed by removal of actual rights under the guise of removal of “benefits/privileges” because the former removes entitlement to the latter.

jameswillby.bsky.social•18 days ago

"I AM THERESA MAYS POLLSTER SIR!"

jdportes.bsky.social•19 days ago

Possibly even more revealing is that JJ's "delightfully muted" tweet, expressing his unwillingness to interact with Sunder, is his friendly response to someone whose profile says "Cricket and racism" and who is very happy using the n-word..

foundationsofthedigitalstate.com•19 days ago

@jamesjohnson252 seems to have deleted his account

Did he work for Theresa May?

foundationsofthedigitalstate.com•18 days ago

that will be becuz he doesn't have an account on BlueSky it all happened on the Other Side as STV was called when I was a kid

and yes he did

deargodwhatnow.bsky.social•19 days ago

Aren't everyone involved in that clip speaking at the ARC conference this week

deargodwhatnow.bsky.social•19 days ago

Just Nelson and Kisin disagreeing about whether someone non white can be English before they go on to chat at a conference alongside Kemi Badenoch?

paulframe85.bsky.social•19 days ago

Does he hate Everton fans that much?

ubfriccardo.bsky.social•19 days ago

I don't know, I'm blocked...

markwindmill.bsky.social•18 days ago

Sunder, one of the hardest-working, best-informed and balanced commentators online. Bloody hell.

spinebusterkeaton.bsky.social•19 days ago

Don’t worry, I took the batteries out of the carbon monoxide alarm because it kept going off.

simonl6.bsky.social•18 days ago

Is deleting one’s account on Bluesky James Johnson walking into the ladies loo?

stephenkb.bsky.social•18 days ago

Did he ever have a Bluesky account?

squeakandgibber.bsky.social•19 days ago

somewhat poignant moment when Sunder himself appears in Johnson's replies thanking him for his efforts in reinforcing boundaries between legitimate and illegitimate arguments on nationality/integration etc, + some guy with a Trump avi mockingly posts as screenshot of the 'delightfully muted' comment

thornfieldhall.bsky.social•18 days ago

That interview is horrific. What it is actually saying is that Kisin still sees himself as a Muscovite. It's projection. He does not accept that people with non British heritage can ever be British. And it's a basic Russian playbook position to create colour/religious division.

leedon1982.bsky.social•19 days ago

He worked for No10 didn’t he? In which case there’s hope for us all.

jamesbarr.bsky.social•19 days ago

It feels like another example of the radicalising effect daily reliance on that site has had, which was oddly visible if you looked at it once in a while and saw once-sensible people being boiled like frogs.

stephenkb.bsky.social•19 days ago

Indeed. I do think the 'who do you think is English?' is the clearest tell because it is so binary, and you see power users of that site whose position on it has changed and whose idea of what the acceptable answers to it are have changed and they *aren't even aware of it*.

adsquires.bsky.social•19 days ago

Yep. And it takes about three exchanges to demonstrate clearly that their position is completely different based on skin colour. At which point, if they're still claiming not to be racist, you wonder what else they understand the word to mean...

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