This is all a bit reminiscent of the Iraq War and the dodgy dossier, isn't it, with the whole free world knowing the United States is in the wrong, but Britain laundering its wrongdoing?
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In May 2000 Putin invaded Chechnya,killing thousands.Tony Blair welcomed Putin to the UK as an ally.Corbyn along with other lefties protested on the streets about Russian invasion.Putin showed his true colours then and the left knew it.Centrists refused to believe the evidence of their eyes and ears
Yes, or the Iraq collapse after the invasion, with Blair ringing his hands and making bland apologias as each new layer of American inspired madness and chaos was added.
I honestly don't think we're there yet. The real test will be what happens next in terms of the government's continuing support for Ukraine & the building up of our European alliances.
"The European alliance with the USA has long been against Europe's own best interests, forcing it to placate a sociopathic uber-bully that has little care for international law... Killing millions of civilians illegally without any consequences to the perpetrators – ever" https://bsky.app/profile/peterhowitt.bsky.social/post/3lizoqoy6e225
"Most of the tens of thousands of Palestinian men, women and children killed in Gaza by America and its 51st State in this Genocide are civilians. You could say they have been paying with their lives so that Europeans can feel safe under the American umbrella."
Saddam Hussein was playing games in 2002, and we had no choice but to go into Iraq …Trump is the one playing games now, and we have no choice at this juncture but to succinctly cast America adrift.
Having no choice seems to be how things progress in these situations.
I think we’re in a tricky situation, but Starmer will align with EU definitely.
The only President in that Oval Office yesterday was Zelensky. That was a shameful display!
Not fair. Starmer and Macron tried the only thing that could possibly help i.e trying to treat them as adults. Used to be called statesmanship.The Americans have chosen to elect a bunch of fascist imbeciles so it hasn’t worked. Have to ignore them now and crack on.
Starmer has earned the right to be given until Wednesday to show his hand, IMO.
Whatever we might think of him domestically or on Trump, he hasn't put a foot wrong on Ukraine. Therefore I think he's entitled to get the opportunity to show if he'll keep that up.
Sunday the summit, Monday it's clear how it's been received, then two days for the cabinet to get its act together and the Government to have a policy that won't shift.
Still too long for my tastes but that's the day that I'd lose all faith if not satisfied with the stance on Ukraine.
Same. I don't like some of the choices that he has made on tax and spend, and I don't rate him as a political operator (the Tories should be down to the teens in the polls right now). But when he specifically says he'll do something as Prime Minister, he tends to follow through on that.
Jolting sorry this is Claptrap. Same old Blair bashing. How about a Starmer is trying to be a peacemaker. You never know he could even save the world from third world war? Trump is an animal but a powerful dangerous animal Starmer is the only cool head around now.
Jfc I thought we'd left the war crime defenders behind on Twitter
The only way you could ever describe Starmer as being a "cool head" is the moment after he's finished putting those five tons of brylcreem onto his bonce
Yes, that’s what I mean. And isolate USA. Take the hit like we did with the Nazis of the 1930/40’s. If that was peak humanity that I watched (Trump leader of the “free” world) then I’d rather live in poverty.
Yeah, I hear you and there still may be time for diplomacy but USA cannot be trusted and Russia’s words are worth nothing. All of Europe is exposed at this precise moment. It feels like GB, EU and all the other countries showing solidarity need to act now with a very strong show of defiance to USA
He’s an embarrassment but to be fair it was only a matter of time - he is bumbling through the most challenging times both nationally and internationally- not a leader - a middle manager - others are pulling his strings
That’s fair but given recent history, you can’t blame people for being cynical. Equally, there was a time when pearl-clutching around the ‘special’ relationship, and wanging on about realpolitik was understandable (if distasteful). That’s gone. It’s not cosplay. He’s a marmalade fascist.
Oh absolutely, cynicism is entirely understandable and even necessary. I'm hugely cynical about Starmer in general, after a series of disappointments over a range of issues.
However I do worry that people are sometimes just desperate to criticise him before knowing what is actually happening.
And also that more priority seems to be given sometimes to wanting snappy comebacks, social media mic-drops, etc than an IRL end result which is as positive as possible.
Starmer may well fail on Ukraine, but he hasn't yet. And as long as there's a chance he and EU succeed, we have to hope they do 🤞
Blair was inexperienced, too young for such a high office at a critical time. He threw himself into a submissive role to Bush with naive optimism that he could regulate US excess, a woefully optimistic hope. Cheney and Rumsfeld controlled things and the British only realised this too late.
I assumed it was because Blair thought he'd be able to moderate Bush's excesses better if he was in rather than out. And that weird religious thing, too.
This all seems inevitable to me. It's where a regime that supports rampant inequality; has contempt for public service and reifies individualism/Mammon, takes you: Trump. US is - and has been - no 'land of the free'. US interference in fav of far right worldwide has always been a problem.
An invitation to Buckingham palace and some ego boosting of a guy with narcissistic personality disorder who needs praise like we need oxygen, is cheap and relatively consequence-free.
Sending British troops to fight alongside US is in a different category.
I'm not sure what you expect Starmer to do, that he hasn't already done? He's spoken to Zelensky and Trump, reiterated his support for Ukraine, and tried to calm things down.
Not going with this - Starmer/UK have been unequivocal in supporting Ukraine and still are with Zelensky in London RIGHT NOW! What part of that are you embarrassed by? Trying to keep the Yanks from doing anything worse than they already have is also not a bad idea.
He’s keeping dialogue open to try and influence a backstop. Not sure that’s a bad thing while we continue to back Ukraine. I don’t think we are a puppet of US yet, which I suspect will happen after the next election when reform lead by “he’s a diamond geez” is blindly voted in.
I don’t think it is. Starmer has strongly backed Zelenskyy and is aligning with Europe and Ukraine on defence. He flattered Trump to try and influence on Ukraine, as well as to avoid harmful tariffs. But this is the US/Europe relationship breaking; I don’t think Starmer is siding with the US
Also, in a bigger sense, this is just not like ANYTHING that’s happened since the post-war consensus. We don’t have an easy frame of reference for any of it.
So much for UK being a sovereign nation.
It's gone from a position of strength and authority within the EU to being firmly wedged up the ass of the new United States of Authoritarianism.
Oh wow!…..how I’d love to be a fly on that wall!
I mean the UK really is in the thick of all this…….meanwhile all prices are going up and our own country is fucking shite……but we’re not at war I suppose!
I see what you mean with Blair. But not with Starmer. Starmer looks like a standard middle aged white male politician / professional in a suit. Trump looks like an oversized spitting image puppet with its head made from a inflatable whotsit and a tiny thumbs up hand.
I'd like to agree. The problem is, I've been asked to give Starmer a chance many times before (notably here, on EU, but also on other issues), and so far every single time he's disappointed.
It's nothing like that, Britain is clearly siding with Europe and Ukraine. Someone's got to pick up the shit stick and keep Trump talking, no matter how sticky and smelly the job
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This pretence that the US was some beacon of light and freedom in the world. 🤷
Having no choice seems to be how things progress in these situations.
What precious commodities are really at stake, besides freedom and democracy of course?
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The only President in that Oval Office yesterday was Zelensky. That was a shameful display!
Whatever we might think of him domestically or on Trump, he hasn't put a foot wrong on Ukraine. Therefore I think he's entitled to get the opportunity to show if he'll keep that up.
If he fails, I'll completely agree.
Still too long for my tastes but that's the day that I'd lose all faith if not satisfied with the stance on Ukraine.
The only way you could ever describe Starmer as being a "cool head" is the moment after he's finished putting those five tons of brylcreem onto his bonce
He's also put his full support behind #Ukraine.
As much as we would like it to.
These next few days are crucial, but I believe Europe is on the 'right' side, and the UK PM can't diverge from that.
If the US can be dragged back onside then we have to try.
I don't think it can or will be, but jumping straight to making an enemy of not only one superpower but two, would be foolish.
As a lawyer I would expect you to understand the benefit of that in any disagreement, particularly during a War in Europe.
Whatever we think of Fascist Trump, US is embedded in Europe.
Blair came out batting for the US, with no reservations.
Starmer has backed Ukraine consistently and tried to get Trump to see sense.
He may not have dropped a stinging rebuke on Twitter in response to yesterday, but is that really what matters?
However I do worry that people are sometimes just desperate to criticise him before knowing what is actually happening.
Starmer may well fail on Ukraine, but he hasn't yet. And as long as there's a chance he and EU succeed, we have to hope they do 🤞
Sending British troops to fight alongside US is in a different category.
It's gone from a position of strength and authority within the EU to being firmly wedged up the ass of the new United States of Authoritarianism.
I mean the UK really is in the thick of all this…….meanwhile all prices are going up and our own country is fucking shite……but we’re not at war I suppose!