The $5000 “baby bonus” is functionally very similar to the Earned Income Tax Credit except it doesn’t have the work requirement the GOP has insisted on for decades.
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It's not going to induce women to have kids if they're in a red state with hardly any OBGYNs because they've fled, making it harder to access prenatal care, and if you miscarry you can be charged with murder or left to bleed out while a doctor decides between your life or their career/freedom.
The estimated cost to raise a child in 2025 is almost $30,000; 18-years is projected to be in the range of $500,000.
Boy o Boy, it’s a good thing the government is offering that $5000 jump start credit.
More importantly, what kind of world will this be for future generations?
Politicians of both parties say a lot of neat stuff, then serve the billionaire parasite employer class & the DeepState US Empire managers for more wars for profits & resources, CIA coups & economic sanctions to threaten others. Dems & Republicans serve the same masters & it isn't YOU.
Compare that with the average one year of child care for new borns at $20,800 per year. Let’s not forget diapers, formula, clothes, doctor visits, etc!
TRUMP/GOP'S DEAL FOR YOU! Give birth to a living child to be subjected to inferior education/poor health care/> infections/>pollution& worse=THEY will give you back $5,000 of your own tax money. NOTE: Gov NOT responsible for remaining cost of raising a child birth-18 yrs. Average cost: $390,000
That's assuming having a baby and raising children isn't work. It's a shit load (literally) of work. And if you're a decent parent/person, should be rewarding way beyond a pay check, or promotion.
Not everyone should have kids. As evidenced by the number of kids needing homes already.
5000.00 would last about 1 year after you pay diapers formula and childcare! Oh, maybe not even 1 year. Or your spouse decides to buy an old pickup truck.
What about guaranteed paid maternity leave?? Or is that “socialism”? Also what if a bunch of brown or non white peoples start taking advantage of this?
It is, however, eugenics 101. The foundations for a 21st cent. Lebensborn Project (1935) are already well established, starting with the reversal of Roe V Wade.
And who would feel incentivized to have or keep a baby for $5K. Poor people. It's has nothing to do with being pro-life. The billionaires need all those poor uteruses pumping out soldiers, minimum wage workers, and prisoners because all three of those categories make rich people richer.
How about we learn from Europe; universal and affordable healthcare, affordable daycare and education, paid sick leave, mandatory paid vacation, free school meals, ... instead of $870 billion in defense.
Is the real goal to get women out of the workforce and back into the house as an indentured servant, having babies & serving her husband in any and all ways he demands/expects?
Irrespective of reason, where's the money to help them with child care, education, nutrition, sports/activities, future..?
If they want us to have more kids, we need a stable country and a stable economy and affordable/equitable education and healthy ecosystems and medicine and unified communities and gun control and mental health support and voters rights and a strong middle class and separation of church and state. .
5k doesn't even cover the diapers/formula for the first 6 months let alone clothing, walker, crib or emergency trips to the hospital. Also doesn't cover loss of employment, damage to relationships due to lack of sleep or loss of work med insurance. Its bait to turn poor families into voting bait.
It’s proposed for an insane white-supremacist reason, but it’s not like it’s gonna actually make the US whiter or increase births, and isn’t it abstractly a liberal win opening the door to recognizing motherhood as labor and paying them for it?
...but you only get it if you have a male, non-autistic child because women can't do useful work and RFK has determined with his wealth of medical experience people with autism are nothing but a burden?
It’s a one-time payment, far less helpful than the child tax credit that continues to help families throughout the child’s life. Republicans voted against renewing it.
They want lower taxes, but don't want parents to get a tax break because that's socialism, but giving them money for free is okay. This is some next level cognitive dissonance they're living with.
It’s like hospitals having to treat people with life threatening injuries who don’t have insurance. The cost gets spread among everyone and it costs more because we don’t give the poor preventative care, but republicans get to pretend we aren’t doing a socialism and insurance companies get profits.
I have a bachelor’s degree in healthcare admin. You are correct. We could prevent a lot of hospitalizations by offering primary care to people who can’t afford it. For example, being prescribed a medication for hypertension can prevent stroke. Other countries get it and offer universal care.
If you did not know before that the WH Occupant wasn't following the RU guidelines on how to be a racist dictator, this should nail it.
RU has almost exactly the same scheme which Putin etal started a year or so ago.
Yeah, I don’t see young people falling for that at all. That’s a drop in the bucket for what it costs to raise a child. I don’t think even magas fall for that
Baby Bonus and Mass Shootings at Schools. The incredible tone deaf & brutal politics of this time..
Making people suffer when the same energy could be helping people to flourish..
Are they planning on back paying all the people who have already had babies for all those years. Wasn't that the problem with student loan forgiveness?
And unless it's like a $25,000 tax credit it's just not gonna really change the world. Raising a baby costs far more than $5000 a year. That's just like replacing one month of a mother's lost wages.
Cost us $13,000 just to have our 2nd kid. Really doubt $5,000 would make a huge difference even if it was yearly. Kids are expensive! Maybe Universal Healthcare, affordable daycare?
There will be conditions. Like they have to be white babies. No POC will get a dime. This is because the MAGA idiots are afraid of the great replacement theory. Also, it costs a lot more than $5,000 to raise a kid, and with all the cuts to women's health care,nobody in their right mind would do it.
If they really want families to have more kids they need to have day care be free. But only for vaccinated children unless there's a medical exception. Having more kids only to have them killed off by preventable illness is crazy.
$20,000 to give birth and that’s provided everything goes right and there are no complications. And it was about $200,000 to raise a child to age 18-it will be more than that in near and far future thanks to the removal of federal subsidies.
This hit me hard. I (hope) you didn’t mean that birthing & raising a child isn’t “work”. It’s just another unrecognized and unpaid “woman’s” job that the US economy relies upon. Like caring for our elderly, housework, and the death by 1000 cuts that involve any interaction w healthcare & capitalism.
Understood - I was adding that so much of our capitalist system relies on unpaid, underpaid and often unacknowledged “women’s” work. Creating, birthing, nurturing and raising children is just one element. Women are the safety net for our families, business and society
It will be balanced out by the increased cost of medical as the GOP rolls back coverages on everything. After all the GOP healthcare plan is if you can't afford it, die.
I have read through your comments on this.
I appreciate that you seem kind hearted.
But this is a very cynical attempt to stifle legitimate criticism of the whole range of policies and cuts that harm children and working families.
Cuts to education Medicaid, HHS and more.
I'm certainly not trying to stifle criticism of cuts, I liked every criticism in the thread about how this doesn't make up for cuts. Child care subsidies, Medicaid, SNAP and so much more are under serious threat right now and I'd rather have those things than this bonus but cash assistance is good.
I'm wondering if tRump's $5K "baby bonus" might have some "fine print" regarding, uh, ethnicity of said baby? Kind of like Hitler's Lebensborn program?
Of course they know the population is over 8 billion and much of the population is of people of color and poor. Know clean water and food is beyond thin. That’s overall goal eliminate non-whites, non Christian nationalist. The plan here is the poor will cull taking away all the programs they need.
$5k doesn't cover the costs of the first year from conception. The median for a c-section birth (32.1% in '24) is a $3214 deductible. $18k w/o insurance. Add prenatal, diapers, loss of income from unpaid FMLA leave, diapers, etc.
So $3000 after taxes plus the uptick on the end of year taxes, childcare, hospital bills.., should leave about $5. So risking your life, upending your life and becoming secondary to someone else for 18+ years for $5. No thanks.
This was my thought. Obviously they aren’t just concerned about having more babies because migrants are likely to have more children than “home growns”. What they want is more white babies.
Neolibs are always means-testing: allegedly doing good but always dividing the people. The means-testing creates need for bureaucracy, setting up valid complaints about the government impeding distribution of benefits. Universal benefits are far more efficient: No audits. No paperwork. All benefit.
When you are a mother you don't get a break. It is 24/7 and you just spent the best year of your life cooking and cleaning. It is great for the kids. But, they need a f... Break.
I think that one time payment is in no way an adequate or equivalent replacement for the Earned Income Tax Credit. Any insinuation of the such is ignorance, or propaganda.
There is no harder job than being a parent. I might posit that $5000 is chicken feed when it costs over $250,000 to raise a kid to adulthood. And that doesn't include college.
How about paid child day care, paid preschool education, paid healthcare coverage for births and children, paid IVF treatments…come on, he’s the “fertilization” President.
No no no, look at this hint object here!!! That is perfect hypocrisy. Give them something they were already getting but tell them it is a new benefit and boom, another win for the conmen
It won’t really work. We tried it in Australia - it sought of worked but what was more important was the rhetoric which made the world seem more baby friendly. Of course the world in the early 2000s was a far different place so it was little easier to see having kids as a good thing.
In hindsight most people who had babies during this time saw the money as nice but would have preferred cheaper childcare. Which would have been a better use of funds for the govt as well.
There is no way this is a blanket application of giving. There will be conditions, the question is what conditions will be established? How do they try to mask the recreation of the Lebensborn program?
It's better than nothing but from the GOP almost always means a cut elsewhere. Regardless child care should be free, and that's how Dem politicians and the public should respond to this sorely inadequate proposal
How about a year of at least partially paid maternity leave, healthcare, and paid sick leave. I didn’t even consider having kids until I worked at a job that offered those things. Most people will never be that lucky.
The earned income tax credit can be claimed at certain income levels without a child, so I don’t think it is comparable to this. You are talking about the Child tax credit, a different thing.
no matter, that one specifically does give a credit to
those that do not have children as well. it’s not written like the regular child tax credit that you must have a dependent under the age of 17 to qualify for. it’s pretty black and white.
So we're eliminating the safety nets for all women, to reward a few women (a few very specific women of a very specific ethnic makeup and income bracket), is anyone surprised by state run eugenics (by another name)? Meanwhile women across the country are losing life and limb to stupid laws.
Shewt...after taxes, that won't even pay the freaking obstetrician, let alone the hospital bill, and the $15,000/yr to clothe, feed, and educate a child.
Here’s an idea: Make pregnancy less scary by returning reproductive decisions to patients and their doctors. (And, of course, subsidize child care, and stop shredding what little safety net exists.)
[traditional Republican logic]
But what's to stop women from just popping out baby after baby to collect the $5,000 a pop and then just drop them into the safe harbor basket?
[reasoned logical response]
Hospital bills, cumulative stress from successive pregnancies, common decency, take your pick.
$5,000. is no where near enough to have a baby more or less support it until Trump's youth army comes and takes them away. And certainly not enough to support them when they are sent back broken and maimed.
That’s their plan. Keep women at home and have babies. Since white men are the only ones that can run a country. Ugh…we are all seeing how that’s working.
$5000 is ridiculous. Doesn’t even cover the first year of healthcare cost for a baby. If we had a nationalized healthcare system, maybe that would mean something.
All this interest in the birth rate while they don’t give a shit if parents can afford to even care for the baby. The way they are setting that up now is making it difficult to justify the costs.
You're right, it doesn't. But it does have a future penury penalty almost certain to be incurred by anyone who needs to reproduce in order to be able to put together $5K.
Giving cash support is good; but framing it as an incentive to bear children they wouldn’t otherwise bear will only appeal to those in the most dire situations, and they will be worse off for it.
If they were serious they would give paid leave until baby is 2 yrs old and then have free childcare until 5 yrs of age! Childcare is behind only mortgage in household expenses…fix childcare costs…start there
I think no I know 5k baby bonus is for white supremacists white Christian nationalists only so he can replenish Nazi babies,,It was part of project 2025. Which is just Nazi ideology
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He’s mounted a number of women and produced a lot of bastard children
You know, the Christian thing to do
Boy o Boy, it’s a good thing the government is offering that $5000 jump start credit.
More importantly, what kind of world will this be for future generations?
Not everyone should have kids. As evidenced by the number of kids needing homes already.
We know what this is.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/lebensborn-program
Irrespective of reason, where's the money to help them with child care, education, nutrition, sports/activities, future..?
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/09/12/child-poverty-surged-after-stimulus-checks-tax-credits-ended.html
RU has almost exactly the same scheme which Putin etal started a year or so ago.
You have no universal health care, lousy maternity leave, unaffordable and/unavailable decent childcare.
It won’t help women/families who need help and will just give those who don’t some cash to buy that fancy crib set or more stuffies.
Making people suffer when the same energy could be helping people to flourish..
And no funding for anything that happens after that?
Oh, unless they become really rich, of course!
The US population grew by 9 million sense 2020.
Its a myth, its fake.
If you didn't get a DOGE rebate you won't get a baby Bonus!
Now we are here. Fun.
Repubs propose baby bonus: "Genius!"
$2k won't feed that baby more than 6 months.
https://www.holocaust.org.uk/gold-mothers-cross#:~:text=Information%3A%20The%20Cross%20of%20Honour,carries%20the%20insignia%20HANS%20GNAD.
I appreciate that you seem kind hearted.
But this is a very cynical attempt to stifle legitimate criticism of the whole range of policies and cuts that harm children and working families.
Cuts to education Medicaid, HHS and more.
Don’t be naive.
They are banking on this $5K to lure people into parenthood, but then the sticker shock will happen shortly *after* locking in
that's a lot more than five thousand dollars
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/12/how-much-child-care-costs-in-every-us-state.html
Of course the decision to have children should not be reduced to a budget spreadsheet. But that's the world they made for us.
Hmm seems nuanced?
those that do not have children as well. it’s not written like the regular child tax credit that you must have a dependent under the age of 17 to qualify for. it’s pretty black and white.
That might be about right.
But what's to stop women from just popping out baby after baby to collect the $5,000 a pop and then just drop them into the safe harbor basket?
[reasoned logical response]
Hospital bills, cumulative stress from successive pregnancies, common decency, take your pick.
Nothing original here. Just turning America into Russia in all the small ways as well as the big ways, too.
$5,000 ($278 per year) is insulting to moms and dads.
Can't we get $5,000 for NOT adding to the overpopulated Earth?
The $5000 won’t even cover the increased prices from the tariff war. It’s a big bold lie to hide his true agenda.
https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/individuals/child-tax-credit
Trump wouldn't know that because he doesn't pay taxes.
effortful in any way.
That will pay for a year of diapers and formula and a car seat.
I supported kamala's idea because giving cash to new parents is good.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/lebensborn-program