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European/Antipodean - Optimistic Rejoiner. Keep šølive. š¦”. Centre left. Reposts & ā¤ļøs not endorsements. #FBPE #PR #KTTO. Typos all my own. Looking for old friends to re-connect with. B š¦”
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With respect I think you are missing the point
These people form part of the floating 20% or so - the swing voters who need to be kept away from voting Reform
Nut cases or not, their votes carry the same weight as ours ..
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As a Green/LD then what would you do differently.. ?
Why personalise Lab to Starmer ?
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By being ..āignoredā..I assume you to mean not Rejoin ..?
I suspect we are not Rejoining for many other reasons including the probability that we canāt (yet)
Letās face it, common sense tells *everyone* that we should as it would benefit growth etc so thereās something else at play
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Primarily vote tactically
Lab imo are trying to split the Reform/RW vote by in part stealing their clothes.
A Reform/Tory coalition is the last thing we need. This would split the L/W & centre vote
Itās a āgameā. If there is a sizeable RW coalition, who knows we may get PR ..
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And whatās that going to achieve in practice until FPTP is removed ?
Potentially more Reform wins ..
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And other Labour heartlands, so consequently Labour are trying to hold onto their actual vote in key constituencies.
Not necessarily those on Bluesky ..
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Yes, a few have migrated it seems
I think that the bots from Twitter (now known as X) are becoming less effective over there ..
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āWith supporting infrastructureāš
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Read my original post again ?
I too would like āwords of comfortā about rejoining and I imagine there is almost certainly something going on in the background ..
Iām not leaping to conclusions and associations with Farage
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So if Labour canāt rejoin for whatever reason (there are many including SEZs) why promise something you canāt deliver ?
Likewise why not choose an option (Rejoin) that would cure the countryās ills ?
Your argument doesnāt stack up
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And you know they ācanātā because ā¦ ?
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Indeed time will tell .. š
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The Brexitmongers - where are they now ā¦ ?
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Apparently thereās been sustained Reform campaigns in Lab heartlands so Iām not surprised
Personally, Iād be inclined to wait a little longer to see a picture of whatās *actually* happening, rather than a r/w msm interpretation to incite the anti Lab stance
Rome wasnāt built in a day
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I agree your sentiments
If it were that easy and solve all our problems in one fell swoop - I wonder that myself
Just maybe Labour canāt for the foreseeable future ā¦ ?
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The problem is our msm is out to demonise the Lab govt by spin - so even positive rejoin signals are ignored
The rejoin electorate doesnāt appear to be able to āread throughā the drip drip +ve Lab messages.
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In general terms, you should pay the the correct amount of tax in the country you reside - or you leave - your choice
If you have income/gains in another jurisdiction then you claim Double Taxation Relief (to avoid paying twice on the same source) - seems fair
Why wasnāt this challenged ?
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Personally, I suspect/(I hope) that itās part of any negotiations (subject to our ability) to Rejoin
Labs stance is tripping up the r/w vote, whipping up demand for Rejoin and allowing time for meaningful talks
However, Iād like to hear some āwords of comfortā in the meantime too ..
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Iām fed up of people who *thought* Lab would rejoin immediately, on election, saying they are now disappointed š¤¦āāļø
Thereās other groups who see Lab as a soft target eg the unelectable left, the indies, & those who never would vote Lab (in reality)
Love or loathe - Starmerās not stupid
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But just suppose, Labour (being the government of the day) *couldnāt* Rejoin, for whatever reason(s)ā¦
Or that Rejoining, would take 5-10 years given the bureaucratic nightmare that would arise and the Sh1t storm that a full funded r/w campaign would throw at them ā¦
What would your response be ?
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The regulatory shambles that is Companies House is but another example of the festering problems left by the Tory administration
At least itās now being openly talked about and hopefully it will be addressed very shortly
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For gods sake Darren ā¦ stop trying big up the government by supporting Brexit
You are losing soooā¦ many of the electorate, particularly those that *hoped* you would improve the Brexit deal and in due course abandon it altogether š¤¦āāļøš¤¦āāļø
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Most SEZs (if not all) were started under the Tories. A known to fail business strategy ā¦.
Ed seems a good chap !
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I genuinely donāt know what is influencing their stance, as I said thereās got to be something else behind the scenes in my view
SEZs = enterprise zones (effectively state aid in the form of tax breaks for businesses. š« in the EU)
Iām a LD tactical voter - keep the r/w out !
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Whilst I agree that Rejoining is what we should do (and I suspect Lab would actually agree) there must be something that is stopping the process eg SEZs etc
I truly donāt think is dogma - after all if itās growth they are after ā¦
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I wish I had your optimism !
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Is it me or is Trump creating chaos via tariffs as a method of destroying the economies of Europe whom the administration see as a rival ā¦?
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I suspect that behind the scenes (Labour) are caught between a rock and a hard place
Doing whatās best for the country and minimising tariffs is probably the least worst option
Itās not as though we have an open invite to Rejoin tomorrow
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Agreed. Trump is fickle in the extreme
However, our govt (letās not personal this to Starmer) could reverse any ātax concessionsā given to the US immediately ā¦
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Much good will it do him - well the USA that is ā¦
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Cāmon theyāre different - arenāt they ā¦ ? š
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What if (for whatever reason) we canāt rejoin the EU yet ā¦ ?
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I totally disagree with the perceived Labour stance here
However, is there anything concrete that is on offer from the EU at the moment ?
What if we (for undisclosed reasons) are unable to Rejoin the SM EU etc ? What choice does the U.K./ Labour have ?
Rock/hard place/least worst option ..š¤
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Are the Dems waiting to see how far off the implosion is ?
Or, is everyone too scared to take Trump and his entourage on ?
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This is a failing of the Tory administration - much as many would like to blame Lab
It is also a failing of the availability of sufficiently experienced manpower at HMRC
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Sigh ..
Said in the nicest possible way, please donāt show your ignorance of U.K. taxation