They’re just not going to win this debate with a strident social media post when the internet is full of videos of violent arrests that look like kidnappings, smashing car window to terrorize people, and stories of people disappeared without judicial warrant or due process.
ICE is an American secret police responsible for maintaining order, suppressing dissent, and arresting those deemed threats to the MAGA regime while Gestapo were a German secret police responsible for maintaining order, suppressing dissent, and arresting those deemed threats to the Nazi regime. See?
The gestapo uniforms were much sharper. I’ll give em that. No man tits flowing over ur Temu plate holder when ur terrorizing the residents of Krakow! This generation. They know nothing!
If you break into my home in a mask, in plain clothes, without a warrant, without ID, and without cause—you are not law enforcement. You are an intruder. The Constitution is very clear about how that ends. I suggest you read it… before you kick in the wrong door.
And what about the international students? Or the green card holders, or anyone else who is here legally. Why are they getting disappeared like a crappy dystopian movie?
They’re only mad, bec. we are pointing it out. They couldn’t care less about correcting their behavior. They just want us to shut up so they can kidnap & assault us w/o making waves. That way, when they eventually come up on charges, they can feign ignorance.
The comparison isn't wrong and since we're deporting people into foreign concentration camps without so much as a court hearing, and talking of the "temporary suspension of habeas corpus," sounds accurate to me, particularly since we've deported legal residents, asylum seekers, & US citizens
...both born and naturalized. Apparently the folks at Homeland Security don't realize there were concentration camps set up outside of Germany and that lots of folks were killed thanks to other nationalist countries' cooperation.
Hmm, wiki says “Those arrested by the Gestapo were often held without judicial process, and political prisoners throughout Germany—and from 1941, throughout the occupied territories under the Night and Fog Decree (German: Nacht und Nebel)—simply disappeared while in Gestapo custody.”
Mike Walz is correct.That's exactly what these masked, unidentifiable,heavily armed & heavy handed thugs are akin to.The fucking Gestapo.The White House needs to put its big boy pants on & recognise how badly it's fucking up.If you cater to the worst of the base,you get thugs. These are thugs!
In the MAGA Cinematic Universe, as seen on Fox News, ICE are the righteous heroes who do good and go up against evil.
And to be fair, if you give them the benefit of the doubt, squint with both eyes, bend over backwards and ignore every bit of available evidence,...
nope, still not the good guys.
Dear Homeland, Security… the “and you will never return” part of your rhetoric is frightening and perhaps you mean it to be 😢 You need to remember that your organization is not above the law and (at some point in time) we all came from somewhere else! Find some empathy and be good humans!
ICE is literally operating above the law. ICE is doing things that are flat out outside of the Constitution. ICE is ignoring the courts. I’m for legal immigration enforcement, but what ICE is doing is not legal. That is why they need to be stopped. And why Walz compared them to the Gestapo.
Perhaps the 413% increase in assaults has something to do with the fact that they are jumping out of unmarked cars wearing plain clothes and abducting people?
I mean... did it go from zero to 4? And are those 4 maybe from the Jersey incident where they're claiming congresspeople "body slammed" agents but all the video we've seen says that is a big fat lie?
These ICE guys are whiny bitches. Every time someone looks at them funny or calls them a bad name it’s an assault. Not to mention “assaulting an officer in the line of duty” gives them another excuse to deport or arrest people in their way.
MUCH more likely to be made up than real. Even if it's the one they publicize, it'll be doctored, like counting someone mocking them as "assault." Sure, sure...verbal assault, man, good thing you have body armor on or those words could hurt.
Yes! There's a big difference between "experiencing" an increase in assaults and "reporting" an increase; I can believe the latter is happening (but then again, this number could also be pulled out of thin air)
I mean, of everything they said, that's the thing I don't even doubt. I would fight for my life against ICE, I wouldn't just let myself be sold into slavery like that.
True, and I think the attempt to gin up sympathy is likely to backfire, because saying "people keep attacking us" just calls attention to the fact that your work involves abducting and kidnapping people
For example, Newark mayor Ras Baraka was assaulted by ice and they claimed that he assaulted them. It was filmed. They tell us not to believe the evidence in front of our own eyes.
I haven't seen a single video of anyone assaulting an ICE agent. The only thing that came remotely close was when those ICE mercenaries man-handled three U.S. representatives from New Jersey when the Mayor of Newark Ras Baraka was illegally arrested.
The members of this admin only believe in cosplaying their work not actually doing it, so trying to check the math on any statistic they throw out there would require a lot of hallucinogenics and alcohol.
Mmm, long shot here but perhaps if they weren’t dressed in plain clothes, with no identification, faces masked, snatching people off the street or entering buildings without warrants and deporting people without recourse to the rule of law, the agents wouldn’t be harassed?
413% increase in assaults? The idiots at Homeland security couldn’t calculate anything into a percentage. Made up bullshit. And if it were true, it wouldn’t be a high enough number still.
At least the messaging today (by ICE) is conforming to reason and morality (even though their actions not so anymore), the Gestapo was unapologetic in theirs intended mission even verbally (and consequently didn’t need to hide it)
That said, the convergence can come further, if not stopped.
Not a fair comparison;
ICE states their “harassment” has increased 413%
DHS under ICE Barbie states arrests have gone up 617%.
Of course, no ICE guys go to jail for violation Constitution
Gestapo is as gestapo does. Don’t kidnap people off the streets and throw them in a foreign concentration camp with no due process if you don’t like the comparison.
Cosplay special forces who get sent after a pregnant mother wearing woodland camo in urban environments carrying enough firepower to repel the Normandy landings. Don't even get the cool leather jackets ...
I would say as well this comparison is quite overshot. They are more like SA divisions committing pogroms in 1930s before WWII. SS and especially Gestapo was military and police units with the highest percentage of university education among members, something I doubt in ICE case.
Nothing about this is wrong. Both are bullies, both are thieves. The only difference, these guys have more guns & looove to cosplay as police w/ their Spirit of Halloween mismatched vests. All while breaking every law in sight.
#iceisillegal
LOL they can’t stop people from
entering, staying, leaving or
returning.
“You will never return”
And yet this is probably not
the final flowering of evil
Republicanism.
I can't resist a 3rd comment. Maybe assaults are up because people don't like your gestapo tactics. Also, if you were actually arresting dangerous cartel members (which of course you're not) you'd expect some armed resistance from them, am I right?
One of my favorite Simpsons quotes.
Smithers: "Market research shows people see you as something of an ogre..."
Mr. Burns: "I ought to club them and eat their bones!"
DHS: We're not the gestapo, and if you say that we'll ship you to a foreign prison from which you'll never return.
Have you heard about the way ice has been treating immigrants and even American Citizens. I've seen some videos and they DO look like the gestapo dragging people by the hair and shoving them on the ground?
My British/South African friend, who has been a permanent resident of the US for a decade, was (for lack of a better word) kidnapped by ICE, flown to Texas, and has been shackled to a bed in a warehouse with lights on 24/7, 7 weeks ago! No hearing yet. Seriously, it's completely nuts.
Seems like the sickening part is more that today's ICE so deserves the label-- now even more than in season one where they were grabbing and losing all the children of asylum seekers....
Dear Homeland Security, it is absolutely sickening that ICE agents act like the Gestapo and force otherwise completely normal people to make the comparison.
This is interesting because it's hard-wired into Democratic DNA to immediately back down in the face of criticism due to the overwhelming Dem Pol need to be liked by everyone.
So is Walz going to do the traditional thing and back down, or say fuck you ICE and become the hero of the resistance?
The better comparison than GeStaPo, which mostly worked hidden and against political dissidents is the SS, which was operating in the open, and organized deportations and concentration camps.
Maybe if they stopped acting like the Gestapo, people would stop comparing them to the Gestapo. Also, stop covering your faces when approaching people & show up with legitimate, court signed warrants.
Tim Walz is correct. Never before have ICE or FBI agents worn masks to hide their identities. Never before have people in the US been arrested and held without charges or access to their attorneys. Nor has the US deported anyone w/o due process. The law enforcement agencies now behave like Nazis.
We did, to our Native people and to ethnic Japanese people during WWII. Somehow, tho, we used to have a consensus that it was a Very Bad Thing and we wouldn't do it again?
I really wish that people would stop pretending that America is somehow better than Nazis. The Nazis learned a thing or two from America when it came to genocide. Concentration camps were modeled off of the reservation system. America’s actions against Native people have always been genocidal.
I do not have enough information. What I have seen in the media I consume makes me think they have become political, not merely a law enforcement organization. But that may be a biased view. Also, I don’t know about the gestapo in depth. I think they were much worse.
One day, ICE agents are going to break down someone's door at 6 am, and that person will be a card-carrying NRA member with firearms hidden throughout their home, and people are going to get killed bc ICE went to the wrong address. They are the American Gestapo, and they need to be reined in.
Huh. If you don't like being compared to the SS, maybe less masks, maybe bring actual warrants, maybe don't lie to people about their rights, maybe don't smash in their car windows with fucking sledge hammers while they're waiting for their lawyers, maybe don't pay a slave labor camp to torture them
Oddly enough, I have been thinking the same thing about ICE. Yes, we should secure our border. No, ICE should not be taking people off the street by force with masks on and throwing them into vans. ICE does seem like a gestapo, but with masks.
Besides, deporting someone back to their own country is totally different than sending them to a gulag without due process. Folks need to get this straight.
How about ice arresting the people who are us citizens selling the cartels the illegal weapons causing the people to flee because or their own safety. Or how about arresting the employees who hire the immigrants. Those people are trying to make a better life and us corporate greed gets in the way.
I find it curious-- and by curious I mean absolutely unbelievable-- that there has been a 413% increase in assaults on guys who dress and arm themselves like they're storming Fallujah without a concomitant 413% increase in people shot by the Gestapo... I mean ICE.
Noem is completely unqualified to hold any public office.
She has no interest in making things better for the public.
Her only concern is the attention and to put on a show for everyone like she's some kind of hero.
She endangers the lives of her people by being where she shouldn't be.
ICE will almost certainly be abolished by the next administration. The entire enforcement arm of the federal government needs to be placed outside the executive branch. If not, the Nazis will just continue to pull the same crap again forever!
abolished is probably going to be overselling it. at this point i don't trust any democrat to do anything real to counter the republicans it'll likely get renamed or at most replaced with something almost identical
ICE is a modern day Gestapo. They are also the federal agency that has the least ethics and discipline. They are being used because they can be relied on to break laws and to victimize innocent people. They do this for a racist, Nazi regime. If you can’t take the heat get out of the White House.🇺🇸🇨🇦🇺🇦🇫🇷
They are literally operating above the law. They are doing things that are flat out outside of the Constitution. They are ignoring the courts. I’m for legal immigration enforcement, but what they are doing is not legal. That is why they need to be stopped. And why Walz compared them to the Gestapo.
And it seemed like the idea was "I have him on domestic violence, get a proper warrant while I process him and you can take him from the holding cell downstairs", but since they have no rules or restraint, they "want it now, and you will comply"
Also very trustworthy statistic about their poor agents being assaulted 400% more…when we all watched video of the New Jersey mayor getting arrested and no body slamming of any ice agents happened, but Fox News has repeated that lie a thousand times.
Comments
Show warrant.
Simples.
Stasi
https://theconversation.com/how-ice-is-becoming-a-secret-police-force-under-the-trump-administration-255019
I'm not seeing video of ICE raiding known MS-13 or Tren de Aragua apartments, which are often handily labeled.
They're bullies and the other side of that is always cowards.
So they're already lying 🤦🏼♂️
And to be fair, if you give them the benefit of the doubt, squint with both eyes, bend over backwards and ignore every bit of available evidence,...
nope, still not the good guys.
Going from 8 to 33 in a more aggressive posture when some of the cases are fake congressional bodyslams is quite another.
Resisting an unlawful arrest is not assault.
“Christ, we can’t get away with calling him a pig-fucker,” the campaign manager protested. “Nobody’s going to believe a thing like that.”
“I know,” Johnson replied. “But let’s make the sonofabitchh deny it.”
...and that #Republicans haven't stopped it yet...
#ICEisTrumpsGestapho
All law enforcement jobs pull for sadism and power abuse, but ICE is the gold mine. No uniforms? No badges? Masked? Sign me up!
Legalized battery and worse.
That said, the convergence can come further, if not stopped.
ICE states their “harassment” has increased 413%
DHS under ICE Barbie states arrests have gone up 617%.
Of course, no ICE guys go to jail for violation Constitution
Same with ICE.
If it looks like a masked thug, grabs “certain” people without charges or due process, throws them in prison in foreign countries, sounds like a Nazi.
#FMAGA
#America Knows!
Every Person who works for ICE - Is An Employee!
Not One Of Them Is A Conscript or Prisoner!
If Any ICE Employee Doesn't Like What They're Being Told To Do-They Can Refuse and Quit!
Every ICE Employee Chooses To Do, "What The Government Tells Us".
#iceisillegal
entering, staying, leaving or
returning.
“You will never return”
And yet this is probably not
the final flowering of evil
Republicanism.
"No badges? No names? You’re not cops—you’re gangs!"
"Faceless men in blacked-out vans—this is how the Third Reich ran!"
"Gestapo then, ICE today—fascists always find a way!"
"Never again? You fucking lied—families torn and babies cried!"
"Nazis said 'just doing my job'—so does ICE—same fucking mob!"
“The badge don’t clean your filthy hands—you’re just the Gestapo in new lands!”
Smithers: "Market research shows people see you as something of an ogre..."
Mr. Burns: "I ought to club them and eat their bones!"
DHS: We're not the gestapo, and if you say that we'll ship you to a foreign prison from which you'll never return.
But fear still knocks before dawn.
You can rename the boots,
but not the sound they make.
— for those who remember
If upholding the Constitution has become a burden, move your fascist butts to whatever sh*thole country that will take you
So is Walz going to do the traditional thing and back down, or say fuck you ICE and become the hero of the resistance?
https://bsky.app/profile/vincewade.bsky.social/post/3lpjyevn2bc2y
(yes, I get that even the more activist left-wing politicians can’t publicly “go there” when it comes to Luigi, but I’d still love to see it.)
To compare the ICE with them is pretty accurate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel
They've deported American citizens! What the hell do they expect?
Masked thugs kidnapping people against the express wishes of the Suprem Court . Denying them due process and sending them to a prison for life .
Upset with being called weird, they thought fascist-rebrand was the fix. 🙄
Don't like the names, then stop the behavior.
No one likes being able to so easily and frequently point out toxic evil behavior, it's disturbing.
https://youtu.be/h242eDB84zY?si=jcMClDaPDvVn3lJv
Besides, deporting someone back to their own country is totally different than sending them to a gulag without due process. Folks need to get this straight.
Not courts, not corp media, not speechifying; prudent Rebellion.
“We don’t fight fascists because we will win; we fight fascists because they’re fascists.”
Too-late is not far off.
Don't like the comparison?
Then stop doing it.
They never answer facts or reality-they only lie, mislead, or deflect with more lies.
She has no interest in making things better for the public.
Her only concern is the attention and to put on a show for everyone like she's some kind of hero.
She endangers the lives of her people by being where she shouldn't be.
They literally disappear people off the street.
The comparison is accurate.