1/2 Communism was awful. Indisputably.
Pro-capitalist people absolutely get the "why" wrong, because they've been so affected by the propaganda of oligarch-owned media, that tricks people into being terrified of any policies that are inconvenient to oligarchs, misrepresenting these as communism.
Well, in theory, it’s an elegant solution to destructive capitalism and wayward meritocracy … but has it ever actually worked? And trust me, I’m not convinced the other systems work either. I want a young, healthy, left-leaning and compassionate monarch to see me out.
I sometimes think about how the existence of Soviet Communism was a humanizing influence on domestic US capitalism, even in opposition. After its fall the meager welfare state and protectionist trade barriers were torn apart, stripping US workers of dignity and place.
indeed. my favorite example of this is that the civil rights act and other protections for black people would've likely not gotten passed or passed as easily if it weren't for the soviets clowning america for being racist
Ah yes, the glorious red army... Can't wait to go from being put in camps by the nazis to being shot in a forest for having a degree... Or maybe a gulag if they're feeling merciful.
I can get liking parts of communism, but to ideolise one of it's worst parts? Are you going to stan the NKVD next?
a few chuds came in here, but a lot of liberals saying communism is unworkable and like, if that were true, capitalist countries would've let them collapse with no external interference because they'd know it was an unworkable system lol
Pure communism would be a just approach to living with the rich and poor. BUT.. I would prefer socialism where basic human needs ..
Food, health care, education, etc. Would be accomplished.
Have to say that communism and anarchy sadly won't ever work simply due to human greed, just look at the us election to see that no matter what it won't work until humans change as a species. (or we have a non-human overlord doing the resources spreading)
Shrug human greed is a powerful motivation that has dammed billions. But if communism did work how would you keep power from building up as it so often does(and as the adge goes power corrupts)
She’s not a communist (isn’t of that tradition, doesn’t have the same ideological axioms) but Kate Raworth writes a lot about the structures that induce/reduce greed in Doughnut Economics, which is great in its own right outside of this particular question
Did a long time of digging around and need to research on stuff(like 20 years of history base needs a long time to fully break from) but will concede that yes it could happen but it won't happen until the base of society believes in it, until that point communism looks to be a terrorist idea to most
Interesting. Because you know in all the countries in which some very smart people tried for decades to implement communism, it ended up failing pretty spectacularly and being rejected by the people, who often then embraced right wing, conservative authoritarianism as Russia and really China even.
I think it may have had something to do with the repressive stance adopted by anti-democracy states like those that adopt communism, who feel a need to put a lid on public discussion of moral, ethics, values, including economic values, use education for indoctrination like a red state in the USA.
Also, I'm not sure their economic systems and policies ever lived up to their promise, although I suppose it was the broader lack of intellectual freedoms that probably did them in, as people struggle economically as well in the USA, fascistic Russia, now basically fascist / faux "communist" China.
I'm not saying I feel a need to immediately mute or block, communists sometimes say some interesting things. But when it comes to it, I oppose any anti-democracy creed in which a vanguard of know-it-alls and presumed Ethical Arbiters of All try to impose their will on the people by force.
And by the way, if you're just talking about typically "leftist" views on the ethical issues relating to resolving interpersonal conflicts of preferences; allocating resources; the definition, distribution and use of economic power, that sort, I tend to think those are quite sound, so we may agree.
if you're implying that communists and their sympathizers are dumb, you're gonna have a real hard time grasping why so many intellectuals tend to support it. please go away
capitalist countries try their absolute hardest to wage economic war against communist countries. it's not hard to understand that their intent is to cause these countries to fail, with the assumption that if they don't do this, those countries might not fail. please go read a book
Even if one could argue that a stateless classless society would be awesome; I am not sure how realistic it is. The CNT manged communism in Catalonia to some extent. But they already had a bunch members used to non hierarchical decision making.
Dude same I’m a Soc Dem and tbh I def have been leaning towards socialism then capitalism as of late
That and I’m insanely critical of the Democratic establishment but I think resist libs have been open to more left ideas with how weak democratic politicians and media figures have been with Trump
dude, no one actually wants fucking Stalin. The latter is obvious. I for one want a democratic socialist society with a good social safety net but I'll take what I can get that isn't active plutocratic fascism.
Communism is a nice theory but hasn't turned out well in the past, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot - 20 million or so dead between them? Just sayin...
I suppose I am a socialist but would rather be an anarchist, definitely a radical not a "liberal" like both Groucho and Karl Marx equally:)
Bought a vintage (now) Slingerland drum kit from his Dad, wish I still had it. Dick Marx wrote many memorable jingles in the 60's&70's. “My father was the greatest guy ever,” his son, Richard, said. “His list of accomplishments is stellar, but `unbelievable father’ is at the head of the list.”
Communism doesn't scale past low hundreds village societies according to the data we have from ethnographic studies.
I'm soc dem capitalist but not every fucking thing needs to be for profit as it currently is.
No pure ideology will save us.
The only question is the mixture. History shows that democratic countries with an economic mix of capitalism/socialism work best.
America is failing because the flaws in the Constitution is allowing the oligarchs to crush the socialism part.
It seems to me the 650 American billionaires have a pretty good thing going as it is.
American democracy is the goose that laid their golden eggs. Why kill it?
Main one being modern capitalism and communism both confuse land as capital and do not separate it as it's own factor of production, a key factor at that. As neither labor nor capital can do anything without access to land.
"Truth is found neither in traditional capitalism nor in classical Communism. Each represents a partial truth. Capitalism fails to see the truth in collectivism. Communism fails to see the truth in individualism. Capitalism fails to realize that life is social. 1/2
Communism fails to realize that life is personal. The good and just society is neither the thesis of capitalism nor the antithesis of Communism, but a socially conscious democracy which reconciles the truths of individualism and collectivism." ~MLK
What’s the difference between a sympathizer and a communist? Like you just believe it’s cool but don’t get it? Or you don’t want to have to argue about it? I don’t really get the point of that
Because it's not about being a "warrior," it's about being affective. All the "punish the Dems" crowd did was set back progressivism by 40 years. Nice job, "warrior."
Either the Democrats move to a populist platform (like Bernie/AOC) or they perish. Authenticity won in 2024. Authentic populist democratic politicians with policies that speak to people’s actual needs are the only way forward. Elections are less than two years away. Midterms.
This is kind of like testing for the presence of right-wing "sandworms" by putting down a Thumper. A perfect lure. (Also, I assume you're just informing everybody.) (But also it's that first thing too.)
communism /kŏm′yə-nĭz″əm/
noun
A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members
i believe many people think putin or xi are 'commies'.
the only time i've seen true communism, according to
I've been on here a few days and it does seem that there is an oversupply of liberals on here. tbh that is far better than the white supremacy on the other site
What I don’t get is why the constant purity. a nice hybrid of communism that means we collectively have needs met, then the free market can have at the wants, without the suffering of capitalistic gate keeping of needs and rights?
I have no problem with Communism except when it becomes an oligarchy. Inherently, it's a very good idea. Everyone shares the world & everything in it fairly. Fascism is where we draw the line. IF #MAGA wanted to come over here & be reasonable, instead of trolling, I'd tell them the same.
Coalitions of different, complementary ideas make for the best of teams. I don't believe in marxist theory but appreciate that marx wrote das kapital as an observation of poor labor conditions during the industrial revolution. An ally for labor is an ally for all.
Capitalism has problems for sure, but communist states have never worked out for the average person in all of human history. If you are a communist party leader, then sure!
I personally voted for Claudia De La Cruz, i live in a red state and my state's vote was always going to go to Trump as long as the Electoral College exists. So fuck it, vote with your conscience.
Minimum common ground I've found as a squishy unsure where I stand type is that we need a new system of government. Liberals who suck off the US as-is confuse the fuck out of me.
Apropos of that or maybe nothing … I kinda, sorta know what communism is and struggle to reduce, dumb it down to anything simple, short or sound bite length. I wonder how someone ‘neath a MAGA cap would handle the definition. I gotta wind up my neighbor and ask in one of those chats I dread.
I got to meet and discuss politics Bill Mandell along time ago. He was an advocate for a rational analysis of the Soviet Union. boy did he know his stuff. we are so blinded by propaganda here that we seriously can’t judge whether any theoretical or existing political systems might actually be good
Actual communism? Or the aberration called "Communism" in places like Russia and China ... which is totalitarianism in oligarch robes with wealth in no way owned by the people, and is NOT Communism.
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Pro-capitalist people absolutely get the "why" wrong, because they've been so affected by the propaganda of oligarch-owned media, that tricks people into being terrified of any policies that are inconvenient to oligarchs, misrepresenting these as communism.
I can get liking parts of communism, but to ideolise one of it's worst parts? Are you going to stan the NKVD next?
like eugh??? go the hell away???
Food, health care, education, etc. Would be accomplished.
That and I’m insanely critical of the Democratic establishment but I think resist libs have been open to more left ideas with how weak democratic politicians and media figures have been with Trump
It’s a big reason why the New Deal went as far as it did
I cannot engage in the narcissism of small differences while fascist have taken over the federal government.
I believe I see the line where good separates from evil.
I suppose I am a socialist but would rather be an anarchist, definitely a radical not a "liberal" like both Groucho and Karl Marx equally:)
I'm soc dem capitalist but not every fucking thing needs to be for profit as it currently is.
The only question is the mixture. History shows that democratic countries with an economic mix of capitalism/socialism work best.
America is failing because the flaws in the Constitution is allowing the oligarchs to crush the socialism part.
American democracy is the goose that laid their golden eggs. Why kill it?
#Georgism is the real answer.
He's hinting at #Georgism here.
Lol. Okay. Real justice warrior you are.
Liberals wanna be the ‘left wing resistance’ without realising they’re on the right and liberals have only ever sided with fascists lol
The only time I've read of it working is the book of Acts in the Bible.
noun
A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members
i believe many people think putin or xi are 'commies'.
the only time i've seen true communism, according to
it would be cool to be an accountant under communism tho. the ussr had accountants. what were they up to?
so many things to read about so little time
https://audiobookbay.lu/abss/socivalism-a-very-short-introduction-2nd-edition-michael-newman/
I'd rather debate with the far left than the far right
I'm a Marxist ✊🏼
I love being too left for the left. 👏
Pretty good trade if you sk me.
I'm insane but then again, so is the country