Yaupon holly is a nice evergreen shrub native to the southeastern US and Mexico - and its leaves contain caffeine. Native Americans used to make a tea from it. (Don't be put off by its scientific name, Ilex vomitoria.)
I have had SUCH bad luck with other stimulant plants. Have you tried it? How would you compare it in strength to guarana or yerba mate? Because those two give me jitters that I don’t get from anything short of Turkish coffee otherwise.
Unfortunately I don't yet know! I'm planting some this winter as a hedge. (Literally and figuratively.) From what I've read, the tea is similar to yerba mate in quality at least; maybe a little fruitier in taste.
I hadn’t even thought of that since the smell alone gives me the heaves, but a LOT of people are gonna be hurting on that one. It’s been 20 years since I worked grocery and I STILL remember that produce code since EVERYONE, it seems, buys bananas.
If you're in California, google "Olive Oil Tasting Room" and your city name, you'll probably find a proper tasting room. Those are verified with chemical breakdowns for their quality, so try doing that.
Califo… oh wait, our olive orchards were wrecked by some blight or other a few years ago and it’s taking time to grow new ones and imports are cheaper even though there’s commercial olive orchards a mile from
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Ever tried to buy a circut board? Or something with one in it? What about anything with a Lithium Ion Battery? A lot of products are assembled in China and shipped to the US. When this goes into effect their price will almost double. There's going to be no way around it.
oh that’s gonna play merry hell with my baking. I can do a lot with local honey and maple syrup but you can’t really make a génoise or a Victoria sponge with those
I honestly miss carob. It's not a substitute for chocolate by any stretch of the imagination, but if you approach it as a thing in its own right it's really very pleasant.
And yeah I was there for the 70s situation. If the food bar was mostly peanut butter with a thin skim of carob it was tolerable. Anything more carob forward was just yuck.
Nope ! Robusta coffee is a species that is much much more resiliant to climate change than arabica (which is more common commercially) and has been shown to have comperable complexity when provided with the same care and attention we provide to other coffee species
It often is! But thats not an intrinsic quality of robusta, its more the fact that the way robusta is consumed today is by a demographic that is less discerning with coffee, so market forces lead to a lot of low quality robusta being produced and higher grade is much less common at the moment
Many smaller roasters are starting to care more about robusta for this very reason. one that has been successful lately is nguyen coffee supply. i definitely recommend looking into their products if you see them around and are interested in tasting accessible fine grade robusta. (Not an ad lol)
It's already possible to buy synthesized caffeine powder, people making their own protein shake blends do it. Getting a small enough dose is challenging though and there's a big difference between 2 cups of coffee and 20 cups of coffee.
A small amount of it is, but consider just the amount of caffeinated sodas vs the amount of decaf tea and coffee in an average grocery store. Not all coffee beans grown are used for coffee but it gives you an idea. Most caffeine is synthesized from urea and chloroacetic acid.
Yup! Most of it is made in China but it's much cheaper than caffeine extracted from coffee and other plants. Caffeine citrate is also on the WHO list of essential medicines, it's mostly used for premature babies to help them breathe.
I am wary of yaupon holly because isn’t yerba maté also a holly? And that one gives me the jitters REAL bad. Like, multi shot espresso doesn’t come CLOSE.
Yeah, I’m fond of Ethiopian, which we can get locally for a pretty reasonable price, but regardless, I’ve never seen coffee from any US state but Hawaii, and they don’t produce anywhere near enough.
Unless you're drinking pure Kona, which is absurdly expensive. Hard for me, since coffee growers don't accept sand dollars as payment despite the superior Sand Dollar to USD exchange rate.
Not to mention that by deporting 15 million people Trump's going to kill a large part of the farming sector. Who's going out there to pick fruits and vegetables for hours on end in the sun?
its like the end of the usual suspects where he has a shocking realisation but it says made in china on the bottom, but its also on everything else for 30 years and on the top and sides too.
The United States as a whole produced only 6.6 million pounds domestically last year, when demand is around 3500 million pounds (3.5 billion). Coffee berry borer and coffee leaf rust have been reducing yields the last few years so that production is now less than 0.2% of consumption.
There’s a young woman who runs a little coffee shed right next to my train stop, and I hope this doesn’t wreck her business. I’m willing to pay a buck or two over Dunks prices for her brown sugar cold brew, but there’s only so high my budget will let me go, no matter how much I like her coffee
After reading this thread, I’m imagining tour buses at the Canadian border, the passengers being questioned why they are going to Canada, ad the answer being “grocery shopping “
A return to the senior tours coming up for cheap pharmaceuticals.
Fun fact, though: the word "avocado" - a third or fourth-generation mangling from the original Nahuatl word, which meant "testicle" - actually _does_ owe its current form to confusion with lawyers. https://www.etymonline.com/word/avocado
hey now, slightly more than a third of a percent of US coffee consumption is beans grown in Hawaii! they can probably ramp that up really quickly unless they're a tiny island or something
honestly I was WONDERING if it might make Kona more price competitive but I’m afraid the answer is more like “currently cheap coffee will now be as pricey as Kona” and not the other way around
Oh it absolutely will be. Not all the reasons companies make cheap shit overseas are morally good, but none of them are because they just don't want to make cheap shit here.
I think you could impose 200% tariffs and literally not come close to the cost in Hawaii just because the $14 an hour a farm worker is making is more than someone in many producing countries would make in a day
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https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/ilex-vomitoria/
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good thing courts still recognize the expertise of regulatory agencies and also we will still have regulatory agencies next year
https://www.fda.gov/food/food-additives-petitions/final-determination-regarding-partially-hydrogenated-oils-removing-trans-fat
Computers and most electronics are about to get REALLY freaking expensive.
Anyone?
Anyone?
and yeah, withdrawal SUCKS
and honestly it’s how I manage my ADHD, it’s not just a luxury
Was carob a known quantity in the 20s? 20s fashion influenced 70s fashion to an extent....
Can very easily kill a person in raw form if they don't measure right and even sub-lethal can be a really really bad time.
(Also, hi, Rikibeth!)
but even the IQF frozen fruit I count on for winter smoothies is probably gonna spike
(:cries in French)
https://www.keeproasting.com/articles/where-is-coffee-grown-in-the-united-states
Who knows, if they put tariffs on coffee imports perhaps Puerto Rico will get an economic boost.
Silver lining?
A return to the senior tours coming up for cheap pharmaceuticals.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/avocado
https://californiagrown.org/blog/coffee-from-california/
We are imposing Corn Laws on ourselves.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=107008