In Islam, you’re not supporting depict Hesus either because we don’t know what he(Alayhim Salam - on him be peace) and Prophet Muhammad (blessings be upon him)ﷺ looked like…….so……it’s wrong to attribute a specific ethnicity
Fun fact: The fat Buddha you sometimes see isn't even meant to be Siddhartha Gautama, the man who founded Buddhism after becoming the Buddha. The fat guy is Budai, A Chinese monk who is believed by some to be the reincarnated Maitreya another person who is to become the Buddha after Siddhartha
Buddha has had many variations in appearance based on country however, “fat buddha” is simply a buddhist monk named Budai. He gets regularly mistaken as a depiction of buddha and marketed as such I assume to westerners mainly.
I wonder if that claim I've seen floating around the internet that the modern depiction of Jesus is actually based on an artist's gay lover is true.
Cause ngl that's both funny and cool, I want it to be true.
So, Christians get to choose, do you want gay Jesus or brown Jesus?
From a theological seriousness standpoint, I can certainly see the merit of never depicting idols directly. Functions nicely as a way of guarding against overuse/misuse of imagery. (Particularly getting sucked into the merchandising machine.)
Actually what it is, and you can find Paul’s BS about it, it’s not pedophilia or homosexuality. It’s about if you pay or not. The word used is one Paul MADE UP (he did this often) and the only other use was in a list of financial sin he wrote out
That is actually hilarious and he probably also made up words but his (as far as I know) are not used by a massive religion to condemn the queer community
Anything paul was involved in writing gets pretty wacky because he thought that Jesus would return before he died and that meant everyone should be celibate until Jesus showed back up. So like… idk why anyone takes his writing seriously
Haha no one should take anything in the bible seriously.
I get the original post was trying to do though. Meet the bigots where they’re at. But with some low effort research on their side, it’s easy to debunk, and therefore ignore.
Except it’s not, because they’re 100% right it refers to young men. Specifically young men who prostitute themselves outside of pagan temples. Again, it was a financial sin. We have the historical context to prove it.
Atheistic biblical scholars definitely disagree. That priest is factually incorrect. First of all, the verse this person is recalling was written in Leviticus, which was originally in Hebrew. The Hebrew and Greek Septuagint translations both call the man/man relationship as
However we feel about it, it would be best to not be uninformed. It's possible that priest is just somehow uninformed himself. But being a priest, it's hard to conclude he is completely unaware of what the bible really says on this.
the passage was in Leviticus and was therefore originally in Hebrew, not greek. Also it translates to do not lie with a male as one would with a woman, which is blatantly against homosexuality. While I do not agree with it, it is not productive to spread misinfo
(why am i getting involved)
in the social context, the leviticus verse is telling men not to act as the woman, i.e. be a bottom or submissive. if you're the top, the verse doesn't apply to you.
leviticus was also thrown out the window after some dude named josh got nailed
1. That is certainly a valid interpretation of the verse that unfortunately is used to create “biblical-based sodomy laws.” That verse is often interpreted that way by more observant jews.
2. Leviticus is still valid depending on your religion. Most modern religious jews ignore that verse entirely, where (in reform judaism at least) it is dismissed as a product of its time and thus not Halachically binding
I also used to have imaginary friends then I grew up.
I learned energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed only transformed. Implying we got everything wrong yet again. Nothing is created thus there is no need for gods.
The universe is infinite with no beginning or end.
I wonder what would happen to religions if Jesus and Mary were depicted more accurately? I think people worship the image of Jesus and not his teachings. Let’s try some honesty and publish something closer to what the truth is understood to be.
Yeah, that's why it's good to leave artists' signatures and website information on comics, as was done here. The real shame is when that stuff's cropped out or covered up.
The artist's own website is clearly legible in the top-left corner. Anyone interested in the comic and its artist can go right there. You're complaining about an issue that does not pertain to this situation.
I was just teasing a friend about how most churches depict Jesus isn't true. She showed me a picture of a Korean Jesus and said, hes whatever we need him to be. For good and for evil.
That or like, a lot of these depictions might come from white or European artists, and people historically imagined Jesus looking like them. While there are other depictions of Jesus, a vaguely white one is what a lot of the western hemisphere knows it feels like
In this picture of Mitt Romney wearing his magic underpants, you can see what his God looks like. It looks like God may have had red hair when he was young. So, maybe the Virgin Mary was a hot blonde babe. I've never seen a photo of her.
When my blue eyed, blonde son was a baby, I had people insist he looked like Jesus. They didn’t like when I said Jesus was brown skinned with brown hair. If you google baby Jesus images, you will find blond babies.
This ripped meditating angel Jesusbuddha is someone’s headstone in one of the fanciest cemeteries in Houston. I’d like very much to ask “what the heck.”
True story:
When the Unitarian Universalist Association held its annual convention in Salt Lake City, I took a side trip to the LDS visitor center. I decided to allow myself one (but only one) trouble-maker question. When the guide showed us a fancy mosaic of Moses, I realized, that was my moment...
"In this mosaic, Moses looks white. Was Moses white?"
The guide (very polite, very pretty) did not have an answer.
She might not have even known that the Latter Day Saints used to have racial limits on priesthood. Mormons don't teach that part of their history in Sunday school.
Vast majority of depictions of Jesus don't make him blonde, all the famous ones don't. Also you don't know anything about middle easterners, Jesus would have looked like a modern libanese
Also important to remember that most depictions in traditional Christianity follows the concept of having Jesus, Mary and the Saints look and appear in manners that mirror the locality where the community lives.
This is also inaccurate for Christianity. Jesus was not depicted as blonde or "white" until the last 700/800 years as Christianity spread to Northern Europe. Even then, when traveling through areas that have been Christian far longer, Christ is rarely depicted as blonde and "white".
I love it! My understanding of Jesus is so different from the rest of my family… He really was a radical, but in personal matters. He did not ever tell his followers to rise up against the government and storm the government buildings to force what they want to happen, etc. 💙🙏🏼✌🏼
Glad you liked it.
I think people in general can interpret His teachings in different ways, yes.
In Roman Catholic Faith, we were mostly taught to understand the differences between right & wrong, good & evil... And try to be honest in the best way one can.
I would just like to note that early depictions of Jesus showed him as curly haired blonde with a female-like body shape. His image was changed throughout the years to be more masculine as it was more suitable for the people in power using it to control the masses. Religion is a farce.
Depends where you’re getting info from I suppose. What I’m talking about was presented by archaeologists, historians and theologians. Wish I could remember where these cave frescos were- he looked like a teenage girl that hadn’t gone through puberty yet so yes his imagine did change over the years.
It was actually super common to take stories of people and make them look like you. This was back before racial politics as we think about it today was a thing.
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Because people from the middle east inherit more genetic information from european nations than anywhere else.
Which makes sense, they've been a melting pot region for tens of thoudsands of years. And europeans were the most globe-trotting nation during that time.
You are correct in pointing out that not all depictions of Jesus with fair skin are problematic or historically inaccurate. The traditional brown hair, brown eyes, fair skin depiction is reasonable and within the range of historical possibility for someone from the Middle East.
You missed my point.
Zionists are white Europeans...not to be confused with the Hebrews of old.
My daughter can claim to be Jewish, yet I suspect she has no ancestors from David.
My grade school buddies too.
My Jamaican friends from the 90s...maybe?
LoL @ your Jamican friends having a probable Jewish/Hebrew ancestory. I wonder if they know being a black person from good ole Africa is good enough. Or should be, at any rate. And how the more we try to hang onto other races/nationalities/myth, the louder we are claiming ourselves to be less than 😔
Yes I am. What made you sure Jesus, if ever there was such a man, was descended from King David and King Solomon? Also, do Ethiopian Jews, "Felasha"/ፈላሻs as we call them, "claim" to have been descendents of King D. & S.? Or is it an actual [scientific, if you will] fact, the way you stated it?!
I first heard this claim from my old friends in California.
They were descended from Ethiopian slaves in Jamaica.
I heard enough of their verbal traditions to put stock in it.
There are Ethiopian slaves in Jamaica? Didnt know. Have always felt Ras Tafarians' obsession & claim with/on Ethiopia was wishful thinking. But who is generalizing without evidence now? 🤭 Thank you for taking the time to explain. Your heart is in the right place, from where I stand nyway. So cheers.
I do not dispute the mistreatment. Wish we could bring them all back and give them a better life than what some of them have over there. But that is still neither here nor there when it comes to your bold claim of descendency from King David and Solomon. That was my issue all along.
It is not my claim. I am repeating what I heard.
Queen Sheba had kids with King Solomon, according to multiple legends.
You are correct. I don't know shit about Ethiopia.
I am pushing back on the notion that the Hebrew tribes were white.
We don't know for sure.
There were no DNA tests, nor photos.
You are correct in pointing out that not all depictions of Jesus with fair skin are problematic or historically inaccurate. The traditional brown hair, brown eyes, fair skin depiction is reasonable and within the range of historical possibility for someone from the Middle East.
What about the silky straight long hair? Short hair was especially customary since maintaining long hair was a pain and even more so considering pretty much crime had curly hair.
Yes, genetically speaking, Middle Eastern populations are generally more closely related to Europeans than to sub-Saharan Africans, though they also have distinct genetic traits due to their unique history and geography.
almost 1000 years actually, when they had Cesare Borgia(A spanish white guy and the Illegit son of the Pope at the time) as the model, every jesus figure since looked like him.
Really? Because the last person just said the model was the artist's gay lover and searching for Cesare Borgia immediately brings me to "there were pieces depicting him like that before Cesare was born."
The original myth about the blonde jesus mentions a painting by an artist called El Greco, but the original mosiacs from the greek orthodox church shows a brown eyed, more Israelite looking Jesus.
This is funny and relevant, however, the fat one is Budai, a Chinese buddhist monk, not to be confused with The Buddha, Siddhartha Gautama. They're not the same person. Both are enlightened. As for Jesus, yeah his skin tone is changed for the audience
If you're really interested and not just trolling, they've both been written about and have been acknowledged by followers as different people. There was also about ~500 yrs difference according to texts. As to whether they were both enlightened......
I purposefully chose not to blab on about Jesus as my knowledge is even more limited abut him than the Buddha. However, according to your comment, every other country who depicts Jesús as another colour will be smited. But think about it, how many white men lived in the middle east 2,000 years ago?
To my knowledge, the only description of Jesus’s skin is that it’s like brass/bronze. But it’s also entirely possible that passage has nothing to do with his skin color.
That's the Budai! A Chinese monk that bacame venerated by Chan Buddhist throughout East Asia! A completely separate figure from Siddhartha Gautama! He's only called the Buddha by Westerners mistaking and conflating the two!
布袋 Bùdài was a nickname, not a title, so no "the." Also, he did become associated with the future Maitreya Buddha, especially during the Qing Dynasty. So the confusion is understandable.
It's a title, but even in sects that revere many Buddhas, he has primacy as the one who gave dharma to our world. The equivalent of Moses as a giver of law. So he's still generally called *the* Buddha.
Where there's a distinction needed, he's called "Shakyamuni" ("Wise Man of the Shakyas").
There may be many Buddahs but there's only ONE Yeshua HaMashiach! Despite how he is portrayed in various forms of artwork HOW He looks doesn’t matter. The FACT that Yeshua is the ONLY WAY to יהוה (who IS the Father) & that we will be judged regarding our personal relationship w/Him is what matters.
just like every single badly drawn cartoon on the internet that tries to talk about religion, this was drawn by someone who doesn't know much of anything about religion.
And if you actually studied the question you'd find the first credible depictions of a blonde Jesus are from the Middle Ages. You'd also discover that depictions of Jesus vary to match the intended audience. So another meme fails miserably when any critical analysis is undertaken.
What have heard Big J is depicted black in christian African nations and sects. I feel people just depict him resemble closer the local norm. Nothing bad in that.
The Spaniard child molester blond pale dude that replaced the sanguine dusky bronze Moreno Jesus depiction for just religiosity strangeness being silly
Collecting Deification Shrine images across the globe depictions that reflect each demographic is a Pinterest folder of mine in my @alphayomkippur account collections
As the grandma Debbie Reynolds with the infinite purse that doesn’t run out of space to hold akashic any&every tidbit is who I am
Debbie reynolds in Halloweentown the first and maybe if the infinite treasures purse is thru the whole series of sequels then there too as well as the moving waddling walking reptile legs purse is the main point
It's kinda disingenuous to say this about Jesus because every culture throughout history to part-take in Christendom has depicted him as their local race. It doesn't matter the Semantics of his 'Race' because Jesus is the Holy and Human part of god, however if he were to have one I think its this.
perhaps you should've directed that ire to Bizarro comics *eight* years ago when this was published. How careless of you, letting other people's feelings be hurt for so long. You should bee ashamed of yourself
Actually only some centuries. And chinese and korean traditional christian art depicted him differently, makinh him look asían.
And centuries ago in jesitics missions his mother was represented with dark skin.
Different peoples represent Christ similar to them.
Some confusion about the Buddha's body type arises from the fact that there were several Buddhas. "Buddha" is more like a title than a proper name. Think of it like there having been multiple characters to assume the name Spider-Man. Peter Parker, Ben Reilly, Miles Morales, etc.
1. The fat dude is a different guy entirely and not the Buddha.
2. Buddha was against idolatry. It is an irony that his idols are now likely among the most numerous.
Idolatry is Abrahamic with no real parallels in buddhism. Idol worship is never talked about nor considered important. He talked about pilgrimage sites and how to distribute relics of his cremation for Stupas.
That may not be true. There may have been a period where depicting the Buddha was taboo, because there are simply no depictions that date from his time of death to several centuries after.
Also, the first known Buddhist statues were in a kingdom of Greeks who converted to Buddhism.
Indeed the Bible has the 3rd Commandment: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image. But Christians cherry-pick.
Also, if you are a Buddhist you know that the fat guy is not actually the Siddhartha Gautama, the first Buddha, but a chinese folk hero named Budai. The name is confusing.
You are correct in pointing out that not all depictions of Jesus with fair skin are problematic or historically inaccurate. The traditional brown hair, brown eyes, fair skin depiction is reasonable and within the range of historical possibility for someone from the Middle East.
The middle east has been a melting pot, a central region for tens of thousands of years. They're their own thing, unique. They're not european or african, though they are mroe closely related to europeans.
But a light skin or somewhat olive skin depiction is the most possible depiction.
Not light skinned, which is a function of location. Dark skin is because melanin protects against the sun. The further north you go, the less sun, the less melanin. Middle eastern people then were mostly brown.
Of course they are not african. The point is not saying he is black, there are ton of ethnicities in the world and the point is that Jesus definetely wasn't white with blue eyes
You are correct in pointing out that not all depictions of Jesus with fair skin are problematic or historically inaccurate. The traditional brown hair, brown eyes, fair skin depiction is reasonable and within the range of historical possibility for someone from the Middle East.
There are almost ZERO depections in scripture (both OT & NT) of what exactly Yeshua looked like. This is the only description I'm aware of & even this does not give physical stats.
He also has PERFECT hair. That wasn’t possible back then. They all bathed in the same community pool and you bet your bottom dollar they were peeing in it!
do not forget the blue eyes. LOL Buddha get the either fat or bone thin, this also is bad. Both people are human and local to time and culture, the art seems to be telling a more needed view than a true view.
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Cause ngl that's both funny and cool, I want it to be true.
So, Christians get to choose, do you want gay Jesus or brown Jesus?
Turns out this is ONE interpretation but doesn’t have enough evidence/context backing it.
There is also more than one passage in the bible that refers to men laying with men.
Don’t stoop to the lie slinging the right does.
I get the original post was trying to do though. Meet the bigots where they’re at. But with some low effort research on their side, it’s easy to debunk, and therefore ignore.
Easier to just not play the bible game at all.
in the social context, the leviticus verse is telling men not to act as the woman, i.e. be a bottom or submissive. if you're the top, the verse doesn't apply to you.
leviticus was also thrown out the window after some dude named josh got nailed
it is nice when people can look at the hatred in their scriptures and accept it as only being relevant in said scriptures time and place.
Just another thing " Christians" ignore
I learned energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed only transformed. Implying we got everything wrong yet again. Nothing is created thus there is no need for gods.
The universe is infinite with no beginning or end.
Thats proly why
When the Unitarian Universalist Association held its annual convention in Salt Lake City, I took a side trip to the LDS visitor center. I decided to allow myself one (but only one) trouble-maker question. When the guide showed us a fancy mosaic of Moses, I realized, that was my moment...
The guide (very polite, very pretty) did not have an answer.
She might not have even known that the Latter Day Saints used to have racial limits on priesthood. Mormons don't teach that part of their history in Sunday school.
Come on man, names!
and not ex-twitter 😂
I think people in general can interpret His teachings in different ways, yes.
In Roman Catholic Faith, we were mostly taught to understand the differences between right & wrong, good & evil... And try to be honest in the best way one can.
The winning image is called,
Jesus2000
I love the representation.
Much closer to what a historical Jesus would have looked like .
Jesus was a descendant of David and King Solomon.
Here is a recent photo of Jewish people in Ethiopia who are also direct descendants of David and King Solomon.
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Which makes sense, they've been a melting pot region for tens of thoudsands of years. And europeans were the most globe-trotting nation during that time.
You are correct in pointing out that not all depictions of Jesus with fair skin are problematic or historically inaccurate. The traditional brown hair, brown eyes, fair skin depiction is reasonable and within the range of historical possibility for someone from the Middle East.
Are you disputing my statement?
Cheers.
You missed my point.
Zionists are white Europeans...not to be confused with the Hebrews of old.
My daughter can claim to be Jewish, yet I suspect she has no ancestors from David.
My grade school buddies too.
My Jamaican friends from the 90s...maybe?
They were descended from Ethiopian slaves in Jamaica.
I heard enough of their verbal traditions to put stock in it.
Science? I don't have David's DNA.
David most likely wasn't European looking.
https://jewishmuseum.org.uk/2018/10/24/operation-solomon-from-ethiopian-jews-to-ethiopian-israelis/
They are descended from the Hebrew tribes of the Bible/Torah.
People descended from the Bible are unlike the majority of Israelis from Europe.
Or non-Israeli Jews I grew up with.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/ethiopian-jews-suffer-racism-in-israel/1526782
Queen Sheba had kids with King Solomon, according to multiple legends.
You are correct. I don't know shit about Ethiopia.
I am pushing back on the notion that the Hebrew tribes were white.
We don't know for sure.
There were no DNA tests, nor photos.
You are correct in pointing out that not all depictions of Jesus with fair skin are problematic or historically inaccurate. The traditional brown hair, brown eyes, fair skin depiction is reasonable and within the range of historical possibility for someone from the Middle East.
Middle eastern people are as likely to have fair skin as they are darker olive skin. It's just what it is, it isn't a bad thing to have fair skin.
Middle eastern people aren't always dark skinned.
Mahayana Buddhism has a myriad of Buddhas. Siddhartha Gautama, Budai, Amitabha, etc.
I don't know all of them, but I do know that the Buddha isn't only one person.
Where there's a distinction needed, he's called "Shakyamuni" ("Wise Man of the Shakyas").
Mother and child
Leaving the specific iconography fill in the blanks
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And centuries ago in jesitics missions his mother was represented with dark skin.
Different peoples represent Christ similar to them.
Likely the same person, story-rehashed and syncretized !
"Have no graven image."
Was just a way for certain beings to say:
"Remember you never saw me!"
Err ....
2. Buddha was against idolatry. It is an irony that his idols are now likely among the most numerous.
Mistaking the two is like mistaking Jesus for Henry VIII.
Also, the first known Buddhist statues were in a kingdom of Greeks who converted to Buddhism.
Also, if you are a Buddhist you know that the fat guy is not actually the Siddhartha Gautama, the first Buddha, but a chinese folk hero named Budai. The name is confusing.
You are correct in pointing out that not all depictions of Jesus with fair skin are problematic or historically inaccurate. The traditional brown hair, brown eyes, fair skin depiction is reasonable and within the range of historical possibility for someone from the Middle East.
But a light skin or somewhat olive skin depiction is the most possible depiction.
Preferring light to dark skin, however, requires justification.
You are correct in pointing out that not all depictions of Jesus with fair skin are problematic or historically inaccurate. The traditional brown hair, brown eyes, fair skin depiction is reasonable and within the range of historical possibility for someone from the Middle East.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2053%3A2-3&version=AMPC