This is a very alarming constitutional gray area and Trump is floating it because he’s taking it seriously. Ignoring the ambiguities in the 12th and 22nd Amendments won’t make them go away! https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/01/donald-trump-third-term-loophole-amicus-conversation.html
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Meanwhile the Dems are functioning largely as a mere democratic fig leaf ("bloc party").
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Zero ambiguity.
(And later amendments take precedence, as they amend the previous amendments, so zero ambiguity there too)
Dimitri Medvedev was perfectly content to play second fiddle to allow Putin to effectively serve uninterrupted terms.
There is someone for whom the technicality of getting to be President will be enough.
— Trump
I think Trumps plan would be accepted by the relevant courts.
Not a lawyer but the amendmemt seems poorly written because it does not clearly rule out such a ruse
https://bsky.app/profile/the984.bsky.social/post/3llmq4fhtjs2y
A. It’s not really ambiguous
B. If Vance gets elected President, Trump has a mysterious golf “accident” or sudden fatal “heart attack”
C. He’s going to do whatever he wants and get away with it anyway because he’s a dictator and nobody’s doing a damn useful thing about it now
Kind of a late Chairman Mao phase.
Putin as prime minister was under Medvedev as president, but not really.
Those bastards would take a page out of "Russia, Russia, Russia" playbook.
What am i missing? Does 'constitutionally' not refer to a22? Only the constitution?
That’s your problem right there.
yes, it's easy to imagine the anti-constitutional lies that the constitution's enemies would tell.
the function of the 22nd Amendment is to prevent individuals from seeking and serving 3rd terms as President, not to create a fun logic puzzle for them to do so!
At least until he can get the Congress to rewrite the law or his SCOTUS lackeys to somehow say it doesn't apply to him.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14536307/amp/Trump-term-2037-simple-loophole-Constitution.html
Its a distraction! Don't fall for it! We once did on his 1st term & we must not allow him to distract us again .
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If the plan is for the Supreme Court to negate the two-term limit, why not just run again.
22A says no person may be *elected* to a third term.
So, they name him as Speaker of the House (remember that talk when Johnson was running?)
Then Vance and whoever is VP quit at the same time.
Guess who's next in line??
Move to remove all of them from the White House and Congress
--Roy Cohn
Second there is almost zero chance he is talking about getting elected. The mess he is creating won’t be better in four years. Economy doesn’t work that way. I can’t imagine people will vote for another 4 years of this.
The 12th Am forbids VP election if only they are "ineligible to the office of President".
The 22nd Am only forbids being "elected" more than twice as "President". It's poorly drafted: it does *not* say 2 term presidents are "ineligible to the office" as unelected Presidents, eg Ford.
Unfortunately, the text of 22nd Am only prohibits how many times somebody may be elected to the office not how many times they may hold it.
22nd: “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice”
Not ambiguous
Don’t take his bait.
Has everyone lost their fucking minds?
Also, the winner does get to choose to make the VP president, by simply resigning.
But what makes people think charisma black hole JD Vance can win an election for anything?
But as has been vividly demonstrated by Trump so far, the intent of constitutional provisions don’t matter to his or govt lawyers.
Vance, who's so far removed from integrity that he publicly stated he just lies whenever it's expedient, is going to honor an agreement no one can admit was ever made, and just hand over his presidency?
https://bsky.app/profile/tiredengineer.bsky.social/post/3lihjsh4w722t
https://bsky.app/profile/tiredengineer.bsky.social/post/3lihjuu3iwk2t
It's clearly trying to skirt the plain text reading of the laws.. there is no grey area in American law about a person being president more than twice.. are you stupid or intentionally trying to misrepresent the situation?
Impossible to imagine Supreme Court ruling Trump is not allowed on the ballot – esp if he’s polling well.
They will rule that enforcement of the 22nd A is a political question & Congress / the states can enforce if they care enough. But courts won’t.
My concern is what he's trying to distract us from with this boneheaded idea.
1. On his own, without Trump, Vance is as electable as a rutabaga.
2. If by some miracle Vance did get elected, would he really resign and put Trump back in? Me thinks not.
Of course, if they have a strong trifecta again, they might be able to pull it off.
The constitutional grey area is that he should not be allowed to name Trump as VP.
Elmo is doing the actual work and they just let trump announce and retract tariffs
Were the ambiguities not successfully ignored?
Beware the institutionalists. They'll forever point out why something can't be done or ignored because legal theory and argle bargle while ignoring the realities unfolding in front of them.
Watch this space……
Remember their screeching over Jade Helm?
Call us “Vichy America.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medvedev%E2%80%93Putin_tandemocracy
Nonconsecutive terms (Putin-Medvedev)
Nonelected Succession (VP->POTUS)
Ignore Constitution (John Roberts Supreme Court)