I don’t really like to comment on political strategy but WTF are Schumer and Newsom, two of the most powerful leaders in the Democratic Party, doing right now?
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inexplicably trying to appeal to hard right voters that'd never in a million billion years even think of voting for them.
they think that ~32% of nutjobs is something worth wasting time on vs. the ~32% of NON-VOTERS which haven't yet shown themselves to be completely irredeemable.
they’re doing what they think is best. it’s just that schumer is a pathetic little worm and newsom is a narcissist who believes only in his own primacy.
Standard politics. They don’t see this for what is. Standard political wrangling isn’t going to get it done. Rolling over at this point will just buy you more opportunities to roll over. These folks aren’t following procedure and aren’t negotiating, they’re installing an authoritarian regime
This, and I think it's both. Trump has been given foreign policy to play with while the domestic agenda is run by Vought, Miller, Musk and others behind the scenes. Unlike Canada or the EU, they won't unite to face a threat, but why Congressional Republicans think they will survive, I don't know.
Schumer is being naive in this case. The CR allows the president to sequester funds without congressional approval. Handing over that power would be a disaster.
Agreed. I guess the worry is a full shutdown would be a bigger disaster. The CR is just for 6 months and Trump is already sequestering funds without any real checks. Blame the GOP for creating this situation.
Bigger disaster for who? What they are doing is a pretty big disaster right now. Doesn't giving them the blessing of Congress to keep doing what they are doing damage arguments about it in the lawsuits?
I think what they're concerned about is the government shut down and allowing the Republicans to cherry pick what might be brought back and what might not be brought back after the shutdown is over. There is no Fail-Safe here. A shutdown could be even worse destruction.
They’re doing absolutely nothing. Actually, if they were doing absolutely nothing, that would be better. They are literally destroying any chance Democrats have of being taken seriously…because I for one, don’t take either one of them seriously anymore.
If i wanted to be positive, they could be causing crazy acquiescence to create pushback and loudness to fire up larger groups of people to be enraged and show up. I doubt it’s that . They are tone deaf. Peaceful economic shutdown works for me.
But they aren’t the most powerful per se. One has the most seniority and the other has been a massive fundraiser. Power is about getting shit done. If we put those people in seats of power the world would look much different (and usually they are people from marginalized communities).
We are stuck with the mediocre, good students who never caused mischief. The hall monitors when we need feisty kids to lead the goody-two-shoes into good trouble.
What do you expect from two establishment corporate democrats? We need strong progressive leaders. Labor party. Democrats have not read the room for a long time.
Like Fetterman? This goes beyond party ideology. We need new leadership for sure, but I have been just as disappointed by some of the electeds on the far left as I have the middle. Fetterman, Tlaib, Bush to name a few. On the other side, Pelosi, Schumer, and many more. The party is mess.
People wanted to believe in Fetterman because he was running against Dr. Oz.
The stroke may have also played a factor in his current behavior, but there were signs he wasn't great even during the campaign.
But there was a whole primary with 2 other solid candidates before he ran against Oz. Progressives were wooed Fetterman enough that he clenched the nomination. There were signs Fetterman was problematic both before and during the campaign. I don't think I'll ever understand why voters went his way.
I don't think Fetterman was an orchestrated plant. I think he saw a wave and decided to ride it by saying the things he knew progressives wanted to hear to advance his career and hoping they'd fall for it, and he calculated correctly.
The US has a political spectrum, and there are people on the left of it. It makes no sense, in this context, to compare our spectrum with Europe's. In this context, my only point is that there are issues across the political spectrum of the US dem party. It needs to be completely remade or replaced.
As an aside, I always find these global political spectrum arguments to be incredibly Eurocentric. And to be clear, that's the spectrum I fall on myself, but why do we negate the many other places in the world very much to the right of us?
Nah. It wasn't the stroke. He has a problematic background. Pa made a mistake when they voted him over Kenyatta or Lamb. But he said all the right things while running so...
She said progressive leaders, labor, etc. That is how he ran. I could go on about how Black voters in PA knew better, but I won't. He was voted in by the lefties in the state. The main point is, the party has some seriously problematic players across the ideological spectrum.
Sucking each other off like most male leaders during a time of crises. The Democratic party needs to blow itself up and start over!! Fuck their spineless lazy asses!
It’s disappointing that they seem so detached from what real, everyday, live & let live, Americans are feeling. It’s not time to make nice & reach across the isle. The other side is actively terrorizing us & Democracy & laughing in our faces while they burn it down. At the moment, Kumbaya ain’t it!
I wasn’t surprised to hear that Newsome immediately interviewed Charlie Kirk and Bannon. But I was genuinely surprised to hear that he interviewed a lunatic like Michael savage. I mean the guy is genuinely crazy and he’s a relic but apparently he’s an old family friend.
Newsome used it to show that he's anti-trans. He's a horrible person, which is why he's hosting other horrible people on a podcast he shouldn't even have time to do.
they have always done this. dems just haven't been watching. lol. the last real democrat was Carter. since then its all be republican lite, neoliberals and sniffing after cash. just figuring this out?
Portraying their ACTUAL alliances and beliefs for the world to see… the republicans are currently fashing themselves into the ground, we just need to burn the democrats down with them, get rid of ALL OF THEM, then run a progressive party where the squad types and new people can ACTUALLY represent
There is an asinine theory among many Democrats that the way to win back the WH or the Senate or the House is to slide to the right and grab some MAGA votes. This asinine theory co-exists with the broad fact that going on 40% of voting eligible citizens don't bother going to the polls🤦🤦🤦
Bona fide Democrats make up roughly 20% of the voting base, about the same on the Republican side. That leaves 60% who have to force ourselves into one of those two ideologies.
Other countries can sustain more than two parties - why can’t we?
He is Senate Minority Leader. Hakeem Jeffries is minority leader in the House. In the US system there isn't really one leader of the DNC. In theory, the chair of the DNC should fill that role, but the job has been mostly about raising money -- not leading the charge.
I understand the reasoning, but they need to make them own it. They need to stop bringing a butter knife to a gunfight! SICK OF THIS BULLSHIT! Schumer needs to be replaced!
MSNBC YouTube Schumer Right No Shutdown! Shutdown Gives Trump (Elon,Vought) Complete Gov Control-To Close Every Gov Agency,End Every Gov Program, Fire Everyone And Complete Control Of America’s Money! NO LEGAL RECOURSE! Can Fire Judges/Close Courts! Repost Americans!
What can any of us say? Narcissists are going to narcissist. With Schumer, I kind of understand (but disagree). He thinks he's fighting Trump and he thinks a shutdown helps Trump to do whatever he wants. He doesn't realize he's fighting the wrong enemy. And no one is going to convince him otherwise.
I agree, but Trump is already doing whatever he wants. Schumer’s decision actually gives Trump more latitude to do so, and worse yet, it’s an act of absolute surrender to Congressional Republicans. He’s (falsely) telling them that he has no power to stop or even impede them, so he’s not going to try
Avoid the filibuster? They don't. Or, well, wouldn't if Schumer wasn't doing this. He'll end up dragging moderate Dems with him. But the Reps can't beat the filibuster without him turncoating.
I know a lot of liberals don't believe this but Newsome has zero appeal outside of California and the extreme far left. Schumer deserves to be confronted with a mob! Schumer's made some kind of deal with someone. And seriously he needs a mob at his door.
what offense could i, a far left trans activist, possibly take from anyone shitting on gavin newsom, lol. dude sucks! he's always sucked! shit on him some more! he'd lose the same way harris did but worse!
Bernie Sanders is more worthy and so is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and so is Jasmine Crockett.
Tim Walz is good but he hasn't been working literally this whole time. Bernie has though.
Hard to argue that she isn’t an absolute rock star. My concern is the deep misogyny in this country. Maybe the playing field will look different in a few years, we can hope.
I agree with you on the misogyny and sadly I sickeningly fear the racism we’re still dealing with in this day and age too. Besides my enragement, hope is all I have left!
I love Bernie with my whole soul. I volunteered for him, I voted for him each time I could, but it’s time for young blood with new ideas to run. I’d love to see him with a high ranking position though!
He's failed because Democrats fucked him over purposefully because he's against billionaires.
Let's not get that screwed up with him not being worthy of it.
He's more worthy than Walz. I like Walz but I'll be supporting someone who's been working this WHOLE TIME. Bernie, AOC, Crockett.
He failed because Democrats and billionaires and multi-millionaires went against him. With the help of folks line AIPAC I am sure.
And now Dems ARE AGAIN suggesting they "ban" people like Bernie, who are doing the actual work.
Bernie has been holding town halls for months. Where was Tim then?
I love Bernie, but his time for President has passed. He’s still very important, and I appreciate his recent efforts to get back out there with the grass roots. I had been calling for his retirement, but clearly he’s still got it.
Crockett and Ocasio-Cortez are amazing and I can only hope they do
@governor.ca.gov are you seeing these comments? All of us feel scammed by you with your big smile and fake promises. We fought to keep you in office when they tried to recall you. We will now shift that fight to keep you out of the White House. Your career will be over. #wolfinsheepsclothing
And @gavinnewsom.bsky.social if you want to speak with a real Californian on your podcast about the REAL issues California needs to address I’d be happy to sit down with you to enlighten you. We can also discuss you bowing down to a tyrant when you promised to fight. I’m ready if you are. 🤷🏼♀️
We NEED this energy! No more nice politics. No more ego stroking. No more freaking decorum. Confront these twats to their faces and make them answer for this crap.
I am so disappointed in him. I NEVER thought he’d bow down and kiss the ring but here we are. 😔 he had all the power of California and our economy behind him, all he had to do was stay true to his words.
She hasn't turned it down. She reportedly is interested and plans to decide by the end of summer this year. Katie Porter has said if Kamala runs, she will drop her bid and Rob Bonta has said he is ruling out a bid and would support Kamala.
Who knows, his ho ex wife Guilfoyle probably had plenty of dirt and she’s magically an ambassador now. One can only imagine the amount of skeletons in those closets.
Doesn’t need to be anything. Spending too much time in elite white collar circles will make you think David Brooks is a great thinker and that the average Republican is your golfing buddy from the country club.
Hey Joe!! I thought about you this morning as I used my Moccamaster for the first time! I’m so done with him too. I’m annoyed with myself for believing in him for years.
Sorry Elsbeth, I'm missing something here. 😊 Are you referring to the Moccamaster coffeemaker or maybe the Mr Coffee coffeemaker repped by the late Joe DiMaggio? Or another California politician?
Because he’s a good liar. Because he talked a BIG anti-Trump game during the election campaign. Because like a lot of people we want to believe in other humans and trust what they say is true. Now we know.
I’m in a heavy blue county and I feel betrayed as well, I can only imagine how you feel. It’s a real disappointment when you fight for someone because you believe in them and then they show their true colors.
He orchestrated the assassination of CalCare twice even though he ran on Single-Payer healthcare reform. Just another sell-out Democrat, now marching rightward to show his true MAGA core value system.
There is. Jasmine Crockett, AOC, Sanders, Mike Kelly and a few others, but they are not in leadership positions. What we have is Schumer and Pelosi bringing a sandwich to a knife fight 🤦🏻♀️ and asking if the far right would do kindly take half the sandwich.
There’s no dirt. He threatens them (GOP) with a primary opponent if they step out of line. It’s self preservation for these spineless assholes. And the Democrats are just rudderless right now.
It's not dirt, but I don't get why everyone is showing their bellies to this demented orange man with Alzheimer's. I mean, WTF? The only power he has is what was given to him by the Republicans. The Dems can kick his ass if they get their shit together.
We need all new leadership. These asshats are doing NOTHING to help the party and are in fact crippling an already neutered party. We will never recover unless these a-holes step aside.
Looking out for themselves as politicians do. They don’t care about us. Newsom is eyeing the presidency in 2028 (if there is even an election) and Schumer is spineless. Maybe they just said Israel and he caved
They are doing exactly what they want to do. They think the way to win in disaffected white men so they are kissing up to them. They want to be Trump because they thinks he has the magic formula for winning elections. It’s dumb but that’s what they think.
I’ll need to see evidence of that. Every time I see him talking about our opposition he is spot on and has a grasp of the facts that only Pete Buttigieg can match.
Also no words from Harris? Sorry but it says a lot to me when you wanted me to believe you would champion for us BUT then you lost an election n went radio silent! Tim Walz is STILL out there fighting alongside me! Actions matter!!
This white woman volunteered her disabled ass off for Harris. Yea I’m so disappointed in other white women I could puke. But please, remember we aren’t all the same. 😣 I have fought against that orange Julius since way before he rode down his golden escalator. I’m shamed by those who didn’t.
Speaking of actions, majorities of white women have voted for Trump three times now. Black women have been understanding the assignment for decades and don't owe you shit. Kamala especially.
White women refused to show up for her 11/4 despite her working her ass off to discuss her plans & warn people what would happen & now that she’s a private citizen she should make herself a target to satisfy you? No. White people need to clean this up. Not her. Not this time.
Why should she sacrifice her safety and family’s safety for a country that turned its back on her? Let the ones who voted for this fix it. It’s not up to her.
Exactly, and these mothetfuckers demanding she go make herself available for attack & punishment by Trump for their benefit are a trip. They didn’t want her to lead them but expect her to sacrifice herself to clean up their mess. FOH.
Her policy proposals were weak and would not have fixed America's problems. If she had won, all this would've just happened in 2028 instead. Just look at how the Democrats are acting now. Its a broken, corrupt party.
Then go shove your nose up Trump’s ass. Since clearly you didn’t want peace and prosperity. You wanted chaos and collapse and that’s what you’re getting. So go. Move along
I’m not scared now. I’m angry. I want to just create a new party that wrecks this system up. This has to go. This is not what we voted for. Elon and Trump would cave of they had an actual opposition because they are idiots.
I wouldn't put those guys in the same boat. I do believe that Newsom is trying to hack the magas and figure out what makes them tick. No government impact, pretty low stakes.
Schumer's capitulating is much more insidious and dangerous, with actual hard consequences for everyone in the nation.
That's totally possible. And it's still not in the same universe as Schumer's surrender.
I also think it's beside the point, which is that we are going to have to rescue our democracy, the Dems clearly aren't going to.
Newsom invited Charlie Kirk on his podcast so he can tell him how cool his son thinks he is. He had fucking Steve Bannon on. He’s not “hacking” anything, he’s telling all of us exactly what kind of person he is and who he wants to be associated with.
I get it. And I still don't think Newsom's podcast is even 1% as damaging as Schumer's surrender today. Icky? Yes, but nowhere near the same level of harm that Rollover Schumer Shit Show pulled today.
I’m not here to argue which one sucks more. I agree with you, Schumer is a feckless coward and emblematic of everything that’s wrong with this party. He was in a position to do good and he rolled over like a dog.
My main point is let’s not give praise to Newsom for platforming actual Nazis.
You are on to something there. My first thought is how successful Buttigieg has been on Fox News. The more exposure he has in that world the less the inevitable demonization will stick. And a true populist message cuts across the political spectrum. Now is the time to cultivate that image.
Giving Steve Bannon, a Nazi, the platform and audience to speak to is not the true populist message you’re looking for. It’s actually a really bad thing when horrific people get the opportunity to spread their message to a wider audience.
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Normally they might ignore people outside the districts, but if they sense this is national rage as their phone lines get flooded, they might pay more attention
I live abroad but am registered in Texas. Of course Cornyn and Cruz would never listen to me, so I decided to go ahead and send Schumer an email. I don't expect it will change his mind, but it's my only recourse.
I think he turned off voicemail. There was no "mailbox full" message, there was simply no option to leave a voicemail. So I sent an email, called my and a few Dem senators, and am going to call more Dems tomorrow
I’ve seen enough… I’m in California and have never been a fan of #Newsom, but Now… seeing him pander to the MAGA crowd DISGUSTS ME!!! He will Not be getting my vote! I would vote for #TimWalz in a heartbeat! He has character & integrity! I want a President with Courage!
I've been kind of on the fence about Newsom, mostly liked him, not every issue, but he seems to be taking a whole new, weird direction. At this point I'm Team Pete for 28! I like Walz too. I'll vote for any D. Less enthused about Newsom for pres.
Whatever it is … it’s wrong. They’re out of touch with their constituents … we want to push back now and they need to get a backbone! Enough with pussyfooting around!
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https://youtu.be/NyY04gIQnJE?si=zxl9aqDvLWEQp39E
they think that ~32% of nutjobs is something worth wasting time on vs. the ~32% of NON-VOTERS which haven't yet shown themselves to be completely irredeemable.
They can't deal with fascists because they just can't accept the GOP is now a fascist party.
Even Obama didn't understand this when he was president.
The switch started under Reagan when he attacked unions.
They’re capitulating.
Schumer doesn't want Dems to be blamed for the coming recession if they cause the govt to be shutdown.
Vichy Dems
Though they can't even do that right as the 2024 election was a rejection of them, personally, as people
Newsom? POWER
(and stop calling Judd, Shirley 😄)
The stroke may have also played a factor in his current behavior, but there were signs he wasn't great even during the campaign.
You'd think there'd be a bit of self awareness there.
The Turncoat 10 last week
Now Shumer and Jeffries do nothing
Here is Schumer and Newsom’s strategy:
Join ‘em!
He just completely sold out.
"It's a big club and we're not invited."
We're peasants.
i think schumer THINKS he’s doing the best thing, but he’s stuck in 1995 and doesn’t hear anything else. time for him to retire
Then Schumer may have a point too.
https://www.wakeuptopolitics.com/p/how-a-shutdown-could-empower-trump
Other countries can sustain more than two parties - why can’t we?
We need to abolish the “winner-take-all” electoral college.
When you have abolished the Electoral College get back to me, I would be willing to continue this conversation.
But yes, stick with your parliamentary system “fact.” 🙄
Schumer has always been weak, and his age has turned him into a coward.
He has made a career out of giving up.
This must trigger a leadership challenge.
In the House, Jeffries took over Pelosi as Minority Leader (or Majority Leader and Speaker of the House — 3rd in line from Presidency).
House & Senate constitutes our Congress.
Threats are just threats boys. This is psychological lying warfare. Stand up to the damn lard ass bully.
Don’t look for him to be the next POTUS, nobody wants him.
We've seen what he is.
Both of them are making grave tactical errors in thinking this is politics as usual.
We could lose the Constitutional republic as they tack to the center for a vote we may not get again in 2 years.
Tim Walz is good but he hasn't been working literally this whole time. Bernie has though.
Walz is the best choice.
Let's not get that screwed up with him not being worthy of it.
He's more worthy than Walz. I like Walz but I'll be supporting someone who's been working this WHOLE TIME. Bernie, AOC, Crockett.
And now Dems ARE AGAIN suggesting they "ban" people like Bernie, who are doing the actual work.
Bernie has been holding town halls for months. Where was Tim then?
Crockett and Ocasio-Cortez are amazing and I can only hope they do
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-california-governor-summer/
This California girl 100% agrees!
He is done!
What neither of them realize is we are rapidly running into a point where there arent going to be elections, real one anyways.
They are both trying to play old school bi-partisan bs when were literally at war for democracy.
White women need to look in the mirror and do some soul-searching, not blame a WoC who had several months to put a campaign together.
Completely fucked now🤞
A deal none of us will benefit from. They forgot the American people.
Selling us ALL out!!
We need an actual opposition party.
Schumer's capitulating is much more insidious and dangerous, with actual hard consequences for everyone in the nation.
I also think it's beside the point, which is that we are going to have to rescue our democracy, the Dems clearly aren't going to.
My main point is let’s not give praise to Newsom for platforming actual Nazis.
They certainly aren’t working for their constituents.
And sure ain’t defending the Constitution.
Call to your heart's content.