Terrible example as Ginko Trees can change sex and the process can take years and just happen on individual branches as well as the whole tree. Good luck determining the point at which it switches from from binary male to binary female like a light switch
i mean you can also hack off parts of a tree and put it onto another one (no idea about the degrees they have to be related too)
Tree-trans-plant. its a cool thing.
but also humans arent trees & trees can be a bunch. M, f, mf, first one then the other.
nature is funky
So you're telling me that a tree can be male or female or a combination of the two in varying ratios, and that each part individually can be in flux, and that you couldn't draw a line between where male becomes female... but it's still binary 😂
Plant biologist here: this is nonsense. Look up alternation on generations before you even think about comparing human and plant sex determination again. Then think about how fungi can have more than two parents. Don’t ascribe your world view to nature, it doesn’t play by your rules.
Binary means 0 and 1 ONLY. If there's a 2, a 0.1, any exception, it's no longer a binary. For people who cry about "waaah my outdated definition of womaaaan" you sure like to change the definition of binary to whatever the fuxk suits you at the moment.
Did you choose this line of reasoning specifically because it is antithetical to the point you’re trying to make? I don’t get it. Did you just pull it out of a hat? Why choose the ginkgo? If you had done any perpetration you’d know that is counter productive to making your case. So confusing
Because plants are on a completely separate branch of the eukaryote tree to animals and the male-female split evolved independently. They don't share any secondary characteristics with animals but the fundamental - gamete size - allows us to determine which are which.
You betray yourself with your own argument. Sex evolved independently. Characteristics of one should not be construed for characteristics of the other. Coevolution does not imply the strategy is actually the same, just that it is successful and expressed independently.
Secondary sex characteristic of the trees. Though ginko can change sex if needed or if environmental factors cause a change in hormone levels. (Yeah I did horticulture as a field of study in college)
But the secondary sex characteristics of the trees is not what defines them as male and female. And while it is true that Ginko trees in rare cases can change sex they are changing form one part of binary to the other.
99% of plants are non binary. Just some can not self pollinate. And even of that 1% that has male and female plants they can swap or be both at the same time.
Having both male and female part is not non binary. A stamen is male and a pistil is female. The binary is contained within the flower. What determines which is female and which male?
Then can be both at the same time . They are neither one or other at times. In some cases the secondary characteristics don't match the flower . Giving a false reading of what sex the tree is. It's interesting that you focus on ginko . Yet you ignore the majority of plants that self pollinate.
You can always tell when someone is just using a regurgitated argument and has no actual thoughts or understanding of their own when they start flailing because you’ve gone off their script.
Fucking hell. Imagine being such a pathetic prick that you come on social media to prove what a pathetic prick you are. Sad mate, fucking sad. No one gives a flying fuck about a fucking tree you sad fucking meff head.
it’s a dumb comparison because human beings are not trees, but also ginko trees can actually change sex as they grow, which i think is pretty interesting
You're really not refuting the "they come in with a script and when someone points out that the things they've been told to say are incredibly stupid they become deer in headlights" allegations here
Sex is a material reality. It is not about prefered pronouns. The very fact we can talk about male and female gingko trees ought to make that self-evident.
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there's been some really valuable research done by the BOFA institute on this very subject (BOFA TREEZ NUTS)
Such experts and always wrong with it
Tree-trans-plant. its a cool thing.
but also humans arent trees & trees can be a bunch. M, f, mf, first one then the other.
nature is funky
Seed bearing fruit = female.
A combination of the 2 on one tree means nothing more than some branches on the tree are male & some branches are female.
Male & female = 2 = Binary.
*once you exclude all the outliers pls ignore the outliers it would be very inconvenient for my garbage political beliefs if there were outliers
Ginkgo biloba is a gymnosperm, so I'd love to see one with catkins lmao
But you’re obviously the scientist.
I know it looks wrong.
they switch their hormone levels.
only difference is i did it using medical science.
your bad faith framing is a nonsense.
Seems like a lot of work when you can just ASK
Mysticism.
Figured anyone else seeing the thread might not have seen that you'd answered his point very convincingly several hours earlier...
S is male iff S […..]
Seems like a lot of work