I know the “imagine if a Democrat did this” is overplayed, but if a Democratic president had given George Soros access to government personnel details and Treasury payments I’m pretty sure we’d have a literal civil war.
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Democrats and the left in America aren’t ready. Unlike the right, you don’t have any branch of government, militias or guns, or organisations that are willing to mass mobilise in critical ways. That’s what you have to work on and prepare for the crises caused by this regime.
Not every war is fought w/ guns, bombs, & physical violence, especially since the rise of technology. But systematically dismantling a Democracy from within is indeed an act of violence. I'd argue it's worse b/c when the dust finally settles, there won't be anything left 2 rebuild or heal
I’m beginning to think that should be the appropriate reaction….or at least something outside the ineffective legislated response. We need to start responding outside the system.
Oh no, Amy Klobuchar is saying we have to find common ground with Trump — we had a civil war, a coup and we lost and Amy doesn’t even know any of it happened
Senate brain is a real condition. Half of the senate wants a hostile take over and is showing Trump their belly, the other half are hall monitor nerds who also want to show Trump their belly. The Dems are a god damn disgrace. (Speaking as a dem aligned person, this pains me to say)
And George Soros actually supports democracy and the human dignity of every person etc.-so here we’ve got a destroyer, robber baron, and salute-r…getting access
Humans are tribal & hierarchical, even tho in the U.S. we pretend we aren't.
And shocking as it is, after all the disasters they've caused, we still put the GOP at the top of the socioeconomic hierarchy. We've given them so much $ & power, we think they're superior & let them lead us where they want
Need to see past the “who did it” to the fact it was done. Tell the public their deepest personal information has been exposed to predators/companies who will use it for harm. Public outrage will ensue. Build that platform. This may be 1st but will not be last in this administration
The single scrap of grace I'm holding for Dem lawmakers is that the increasingly possible fail state for them isn't electoral defeat, it's to get Rosa Luxemburg'ed with the implicit or explicit permission of state actors. All the more reason for the caucus to unite as one voice.
As soon as Social Security and other vital payments stop flowing - especially to Red States - we will have a literal civil war followed by martial law. Don't say that we weren't warned.
It is definitely overplayed. It makes us feel good to point out the unfairness of their tactics but does nothing to stop them. I'm pretty sure we already have a civil war so gear up and fight back. I know you meant well but we have decades of laid back pretend opposition tactics to discard.
Screaming out lies on the multi-channel partisan media empire that they've built over the past 3 decades to their utterly captured audience who now thinks regular media is a tool of The Jews And The Negroes?
I feel like we need to be out in the streets but there's so many issues it's hard to frame a protest. But I think this one could work. Slogan would basically be to kick Musk out, nobody voted for him.
Literal literally doesn’t mean what you are saying it does. There’s no shooting in the streets, no conscription etc. we are getting hosed and we’re just kinda letting it happen to us. Like, why isn’t there talk of a national strike? Mass movement to protest this hostile takeover?
War's been on for a while now, all I am saying. (before, after views of seat as it was cleaned out 2 weeks after the events, in a garage in Thurston County WA.)
Kevin you and your fellow liberals need to realize that there's no such thing as a default form of backlash to any scandal no matter how awful.
If there were a civil war following your Biden-Soros scenario it would've been actively stoked by an anger rousing media apparatus, which Dems don't have.
That’s because republicans scream and throw shit. Our Government is being taken over by a drug addled lunatic and Democratic leadership is putting together talking points for their next focus group. And D Senators are voting yes for this!!! It’s insane!
You might want to read about the suffering on both sides of the late 19th century US Civil War.
I understand the level of angst necessary to suggest that, but let’s avoid one of those.
White Republicans took up arms against the government when it tried to stop them from illegally grazing their cows on federal land. Fox News cheered them on.
You need to. Or at least protest in sufficient numbers to bring the Trumpists down. The longer you wait the harder it’s going to be and the more will die.
I would think the furor over this would cross party lines. Musk is not popular even with many on the right and letting him and his minions access to such sensitive information and US tax-payer money I would think would result in a firestorm.
Well, Elon wants to be the world's first trillionaire, and now he has control of the US government payments machine... a machine that disburses some 6 trillion dollars annually.
I'm kinda reminded of how, after 9/11, the intel agencies were blamed for "not connecting the dots".
Individual state ags should sue to enforce their state privacy and data security laws (which apply as to data of residents of the respective states) which doesn’t seem like the doge musk stuff and actors meet.
It’s the perfect device for the amoral whose only goal is power - allows them to go on offense when out of power and to 🤷♂️ when in power - seemingly without consequence and keeping some of us distracted by calling it out - as Kevin alludes to above
@kevinmkruse.bsky.social - Sadly, we've built two parallel moral universes: one where facts need peer review, the other where they just need peer pressure.
So democracy isn’t worth much to Americans. Tell that to those in Eastern Europe, North Africa, central and South America, and Asia who had much more to lose but still took to the streets.
My mom is on Medicare and has a number of important procedures coming up. I'm very worried that they'll be cancelled and unavailable for months due to the pure incompetence and malice.
This must be the tyrannical government the Preppers, militias, and 2A Freedummies in their tri-corner hats said they needed all their guns for. Oh wait, they’re on the side of the tyrannical government. - L
I wish I had a better left wing counter to Musk than George Soros, but point taken. Our federal government is being looted, and we won't know until next week at the earliest exactly what's being looted. Financially speaking, this could dwarf 9/11.
Democrats equate tolerance - tolerance for the cultural diversity that provokes MAGA ire, a tolerance that may now be underlaying the doormat for their missteps to persist and spread. Do we have it in us to match their ferocity and stop them in their tracks? And what steps would we take?
The only thing I can come up with is when something happens Republicans literally scream bloody murder 24/7, amplified by fox, until MSM sees a juicy conflict, covers it, and for some reason always puts Democrats on defensive.
Democrats just don't scream and go ballistic
This only shows that the fundamental problem of American democracy right now is informational . Think about it . And the worse is : it won’t get better, people will not start thinking more clearly
There would be blood in the streets of every American city if that happened. I would genuinely be afraid to state my opinions because everyone around me owns guns. And some people really have a trigger finger attached to a trigger limbic system.
And I'm not an expert on parliamentary procedure, but I do know Republicans are really good and digging in and obstructing. It does seem as if there could be more resistance but when some dudes come walking into your office and just start unplugging stuff it's a little unsettling I would imagine.
I’m also pretty sure that every elected GOP senator and congressman would be flooding the airwaves with calls for us to strike/march/take our country back/fight like hell
Yep! Both parties would condemn such actions immediately because one side believes wrong is wrong no matter your political party affiliation, and the other is satisfied so long as those on the left suffer while they can scream "Let's go Brandon."
I believe so. It is being kept very hush hush. If you think that Miller, Vought, et. al. have not had some 'discussions' with the media, you would be wrong.
Secretary Bessent IS *THE* George Soros protégé by his own description
The fund run by Bessent after leaving Soros's organization as CIO that Soros put billions in starting capital was literally called Protègè Partners. https://yalealumnimagazine.org/articles/415
True, but not to the same extent. Liberals put too much faith in the institutions to protect them. While the right understood that institutions are maintained through force.
Well, Democrats and the left in America aren’t ready. Unlike the right, you don’t have any branch of government, you don’t have militias or guns, you don’t have organisations that are willing to mass mobilise in critical ways. That’s what you need to work on and prepare for the coming crisis.
Trump is going to cause a civil war. Probably later in 2026, after Dems win big in the midterms. Or even before if people start marching against the authoritarianism and economic crises that the regime is taking part in.
Wouldn’t last long bc I’ve been informed that only republicans know where to purchase and how to use firearms. They’re also the keepers or the correct and sacred nomenclature
I thought exactly the same thing today because I have some family members that are some serious Trumpers. That’s exactly what I was going to say to them. What would you think if Bill Gates or George Soros just suddenly took over US the treasury and locked the govt out? They’d have a fucking meltdown
I have love for a few serious Trumpers and their perception is that there has been so much corruption that these extreme measures need to be taken to root it out. I’m not sure when or how they’ll be convinced otherwise 😩
Also have dear friends that dont consider themselves trumpers, though they vote for him. They seem to think there are a couple of concerning things going on but nothing to worry about. We don't agree on that.
Most and I mean, 80+%of the corruption comes from within their party. And I’m for anyone committing corruption needs to be removed/prosecuted. Dem or Rep I’m actually an independent because I don’t think Dems fight back. tough enough…this week has shown it again. Fight fire with fire.
Democrats and the left in America aren’t ready. Unlike the right, they don’t have any branch of government, militias or guns, or organisations that are willing to mass mobilise in critical ways. The coming crises will have to be resolved by the public that’s going to be tired of the Trump regime.
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How much fascism will it take before we break?
Will we be better than we have been?
Will we stand and fight?
Between the aneurisms for most and the heat exploding orgasms learning they were right all along?
It would shrink the field of battle quite a bit.
And shocking as it is, after all the disasters they've caused, we still put the GOP at the top of the socioeconomic hierarchy. We've given them so much $ & power, we think they're superior & let them lead us where they want
Democrats should be doing that? Cool story.
If he truly breaks shit he will be a wanted man.
What's stopping someone, anyone from challenging the traitor Musk for stealing government records?
😱😭
If there were a civil war following your Biden-Soros scenario it would've been actively stoked by an anger rousing media apparatus, which Dems don't have.
Goes to show how easily they can ignore their own scapegoats to get what they actually want, too.
I understand the level of angst necessary to suggest that, but let’s avoid one of those.
I'm kinda reminded of how, after 9/11, the intel agencies were blamed for "not connecting the dots".
As the Federal worker subreddit post put it: We are already at war.
The fascists and their enablers have violated that social contract and aren't owed any tolerance. 𝘉𝘦 𝘍𝘪𝘦𝘳𝘤𝘦 𝘓𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘛𝘪𝘨𝘦𝘳𝘴!
𝗢𝗿𝗴𝗮𝗻𝗶𝘇𝗲! 𝗟𝗲𝘁'𝘀 𝗦𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗢𝘂𝗿 𝗢𝘄𝗻 𝗟𝗶𝘃𝗲𝘀.
Democrats just don't scream and go ballistic
Going ballistic is so gauche.
I'm also pretty sure Soros would have been far more competent, instead of just blowing it all up.
I don’t know what that says about us.
Imagine the firestorm from rightwing media that would be echoed by the MSM.
The fund run by Bessent after leaving Soros's organization as CIO that Soros put billions in starting capital was literally called Protègè Partners.
https://yalealumnimagazine.org/articles/415
this is a coup