Agreed - it's a variation of the fascist dictator's rule book, to exploit public apathy and exhaustion to gradually move the goal posts of what is acceptable, until eventually, you no longer know where the boundaries of decency lie. Stay strong, keep holding them to account.
I dont think people realise how bad this is....fuck me...why did i waste the best years of my life defending neoliberalism, so that it says , ok , NAZIS , you're okay...
In this they said, 'apparent fascist-style salute', and put Nazi in quotation marks. They can't be trusted but the BBC are fully compromised, don't see it there at all.
Lawyers told them to be careful, probably. No, nothing re Bannon's stunt on the BBC. Although elsewhere today they said "There is simply no transactional offer that can bridge the vast ideological divide that now exists between Europe & the US" which is fairly plain. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8yxenev9eo
Pull up the #RachelMaddow show from last night(2/20/25) if you're not fired up about what trump/musk far right fascist are up to her program will. It's so hot you may need to wear a fire retardant cover!
I'm concerned that the generation of younger men who would have to do it have been captured by two decades of hybrid war, would rather be Nazis than kill them.
If Americans want to stop this they need to get off their asses and do it now! Civil war may ensue before he's gone but failure to act will make things a hundred times worse. Trump is Dangerous.
Seems to me these people are revelling in the trauma the descent into fascist madness is causing. Getting very tired of people arguing that Trump is somehow a master of chaos and it will all be OK. No it will not. And they really are fascists.
And it’s twofold because some will use it to justify the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, even though it’s the white supremacist Christian zionists who are the anti-semites
He still needs to work on the angle between his torso and the heiling arm. Also needs to rest more comfortably in the pose with chest forward and stomach tucked in order to get a 10 out of 10 and graduate a real nazi.. He'll get more practice in the coming time, I guess...
I remember last time around, they were all doing that OK 'white power' sign. It was like some sort of game between them to do it during speeches or appearances. This time, they seem to be stepping it up a gear with the gestures.
Peak clown land. Current global politics provide a fascinating reveal where really nasty and unpleasant / bordering evil people feel free to display their true selves.
Yup, first time it happens and draws criticism then MAYBE you can say "Appears to". If it happens again then it's obviously an attempt at the real thing.
The BBC seems out to ruin this country. Largely responsible for Johnson, Brexit, Farage, et al while continually seeking bad press for our elected government.
My Great Grandmother once attacked a German bomber? pilot who had crash landed with the bread knife. It took both her grown up sons and the constable to restrain her.
When they erase history which republicans are doing and have done they can repeat it. My god we fought a fucking war over this shit, it should never be tolerated that is not free speech it’s hate and disrespectful to every that values our freedom and rights. Eliminate them!
Not very long ago tens of thousands of patriotic Americans suffered and died to fight Nazis and other fascists. Now there’s a fascist gang that’s convinced a third of the country to crap on the graves of those patriotic Americans and embrace fascism. Wtf
6 Qs 1)Since Brexit is UK irrelevant 2)Is the rest of the West (EU, Canada etc) the bad guys 3)Is Ukraine being thrown under a bus 4)Is USA abandoning NATO 5)Have working people been abandoned 6) If EU & UK don’t increase defence spending now will we have another invasion soon?
It's never acceptable to praise the group that tried, or even succeeded, to kill your father or grandfather and all your neighbours and friends' fathers or grandfathers.
They've already gone most of the distance towards making genocide acceptable, at least to large sections of the public. These people spell complete disaster for the future.
It started off as the equivalent of ringing the doorbell and running away, but having seemingly gotten away with it they are now pouring petrol through the letterbox.
Aided and abetted by a press that will no doubt refer to the gesture as “controversial” or “provocative”, or even suggest that there are many alternative viewpoint about what the gesture is/means.
This is also known as the unfree, complicit and fascist-endorsing press…
Whenever these fascists do things with a kind of ambiguity(although increasingly less ambiguous now) it's so they can maintain a certain amount of wiggle room to claim plausible deniability. The media usually affords them the maximum leeway and due consideration possible- an 'awkward hand gesture'
It reveals how incredibly isolated they all are from decent people and a lack of awareness of the horrors of the past, to even contemplate such a gesture. People must rise up and throw them into oblivion like their lives depend on it
The Overton Window has been removed and installed in a building two streets to the right. We've even got the most right wing Labour leader ever being called a Marxist by people in the UK press
When the far-right who for years have been looking to change and cleanup their image to appeal to more folk, now call these fuckers out, then you know it really is one helluva time to be alive.
That is true.
Also true is #45th-II is at lowest popularity polls of any Pres in history.
Town halls of Rep Senators are filled with angry ex fed wrkers and those with stopped Medicare.
It's loud & growing louder!!
#DissentInTheRanks
#MostUnpopularEver
Business Insider on Musk’s plan to build a Mars base in his lifetime for one million people and his claiming Mars as a free planet outside Earth’s jurisdiction. ⬇️
I suggested a month ago that @newsagents.bsky.social and @lewisgoodall.com interview Ben Elton and contact them every week as Musk’s Mars plan unfolds before our eyes.
I’m still hoping @georgemonbiot.bsky.social will do something.
Yesterday Musk posted this - killing the ISS asap, to go to Mars.
It refers directly to Musk’s plan to claim Mars as a free planet for his base, but suggests it is unachievable on his timescale and possibly ever (e.g. having children in the low gravity of Mars is a total unknown).
Yes, but this isn’t fiction or a crazy conspiracy theory.
Musk posts constantly about his Mars plan, but it seems he’s a megalomaniac on such a scale that journalists and politicians have difficulty taking him in and processing what he’s saying.
This is the Overton window
Conditioning your reaction
To use of lots of racist lingo
Being normalised a fraction
As you see it more and more
It isn't shocking for you
Till what you thought before
Has from your mind withdrew
George I think they are eluding to a superior race unashamedly challenging any disagreement. So if you think about that, what disagreement would work. Our press will say little the worlds press will say less and the end result is legitimisation of the ethic. We knew, we could do fuck all about it
And he ended in the low 30s. He got lucky last time. The Republicans in congress fucking loathe him in reality. THey'll find their balls when Trump's thoroughly fucked the economy and lost and momentum. I just reckon its bleak but these cunts aren't gonna get absolute power. They're on shaky ground
I wonder what the conservatives will be like when their speakerphone eventually fucks off and leaves them empty. I doubt they'll come out of this era stronger.
This is just my guess though could be way off.
And it's good to keep in mind Trump was the lowest polling president on inauguration day since 1953(47%). He's now at 43. He's sitting on the biggest economic bubble since the 1930s. The strong economy(according to how people stupidly see it) was the only thinking that propped him up last time.
Personally I reckon these fascist fuck pigs aren't ascendant after seeing the latest polling and hearing how these meetings are completely packed with people like never before.
Yes the more these type of fascist confirming gestures are seen the less impact they will have. It is up to left)centre left parties throughout Europe and the Democrats in the USA to start showing some mettle and stand up against the far right tide.
I don't think so. I reckon this shit gonna crumble sooner than we think. Trump's popularity is already tanking. The CIA,FBI nd safely over 50% of the military fucking hate him. There's a good chance the economy is heading 4 a big correction too. The cons are gonna be depleted af when this is over.
Let's see if I can get away with doing a Nazi salute...ohh..I can! I even have people excusing me for doing it! Let's see what else we can get away with....
Not that it should be any surprise to those who have been paying attention, which should have included those members of "blue" Labour who have been flirting with these reptiles.
If only enough decent powerful people said "Enough!" & ceased all contact, support, & worked together to utterly isolate him, & build a better place without him.
Musks non denial was fucking terrifying,do they know what they are doing, is this planned?? Project 2025?? or is it some lame power thing and they are seeing where the chips land because they won't feel any repercussions. I'm not sure what is worse.
correct. Repeats the expression. And it's #1 and #3 in below. "In body language, lip compression can indicate:
• Contempt or disdain (one side of the lip may curl slightly)
• Suppressing anger or frustration
• Coldness or cruelty
• Disapproval or judgment"
You'll understand why I can't rightly repost this. I'm not even comfortable liking it, but I understand the context of what George is saying. My like is because I completely support Mr Monbiot's words.
Steve Bannon is white supremacist. Anyone who allies or works with him is, too. He has helped install Grand Nationals of Trojan horses in many countries world wide. If we fail to stop him and those who support him, then we know what comes next.
I feel it's not coincidental that we are at the point where pretty well all of the generation that actually fought against these things has now gone; there is no voice of lived experience left
But the rows of white headstones, marking the final resting place of the thousands of young men who gave their lives so we could be free, still exist .
Recent commemoration services soon forgotten, it seems
Too many politicians/commentators have crudely exploited the events and memorials of 39-45. As a simple example, how is modern society a "land fit for heroes" when poverty and discrimination is rife? The sacrifice by the few has become a struggle to live for the many.
Exactly. They are like kids in a certain age. But kids in the bodies of old, white, morally corrupt, frustrated facists with endless money, control over the most powerful governmental apparatus and military in the world, including nukes.
How is this going to end? We need to stand together now...
Agree. To say that Bannon or Musk are Nazis or whatever is prob oversimplifying it. They are an American version of something else, probably just as bad if not worse. I don't think they care that much about pre-WW2 Germany as much as they care about sending a message that we can do whatever we want.
Some day, maybe Harari writ about to be unacceptable that the new and universal virtual public squares and streets belong to particulars (social medias).
Just think it.
They, the owners of the world, promove the fascism by their algorithms.
I wanted to hope it was just an awkward photo angle. The video shows how cowardly this weak fascist despite his "fighting" words. This is how you audition to get back in the Trump tent.
Spot on. A little like Badenoch’s current invective - when she’s dumped by the Tory party and they elect a replacement with slightly less right wing views, they’re hoping the electorate will say “well, s/he isn’t as bad as the last one, s/he’s worth a vote”
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https://youtu.be/-S89lZ7H-lc?si=qoN2556ijeGZxgcG
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/21/steve-bannon-jordan-bardella-nazi-salute-cpac
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/21/steve-bannon-jordan-bardella-nazi-salute-cpac
Mussolini adopted Roman symbolism for fascism. The word fascism derives from 'fasces' the rods carried by Roman magistrates to demonstrate power.
Time to call a spade a spade.
Didn’t they know who Farage is?
And yet he got the most invites on shows such as Question Time.
And now he shares a platform with people doing the Nazi salute.
Unbloodybelievable!
It's nice when you can identify them.
This is also known as the unfree, complicit and fascist-endorsing press…
Bannon does a Nazi salute.
Applause erupts. Not so cute.
First Elon, now Sloppy Steve.
Extremism is what they believe.
Also true is #45th-II is at lowest popularity polls of any Pres in history.
Town halls of Rep Senators are filled with angry ex fed wrkers and those with stopped Medicare.
It's loud & growing louder!!
#DissentInTheRanks
#MostUnpopularEver
Trump has killed net zero, backed Musk going to Mars and given Musk control of the federal budget.
Keep Reform UK, AfD out of power or they’ll kill net zero for Musk too.
Maybe it’s from reading the same books I find Musk so transparent.
He’s living his fantasy.
Elon Musk?
Er, no Charlie Sheen. And we all saw how that turned out.
https://theconversation.com/the-earth-was-dying-killed-by-the-pursuit-of-money-rereading-ben-eltons-stark-as-prophecy-147256
I’m still hoping @georgemonbiot.bsky.social will do something.
Yesterday Musk posted this - killing the ISS asap, to go to Mars.
It refers directly to Musk’s plan to claim Mars as a free planet for his base, but suggests it is unachievable on his timescale and possibly ever (e.g. having children in the low gravity of Mars is a total unknown).
Earth needs saving first.
Musk posts constantly about his Mars plan, but it seems he’s a megalomaniac on such a scale that journalists and politicians have difficulty taking him in and processing what he’s saying.
Why isn’t this in the news and Parliament?
Conditioning your reaction
To use of lots of racist lingo
Being normalised a fraction
As you see it more and more
It isn't shocking for you
Till what you thought before
Has from your mind withdrew
This is just my guess though could be way off.
Personally I reckon these fascist fuck pigs aren't ascendant after seeing the latest polling and hearing how these meetings are completely packed with people like never before.
Sadly for him, some have read it already, and even remembered some of what it said ...
Actions do have consequences
Not that it should be any surprise to those who have been paying attention, which should have included those members of "blue" Labour who have been flirting with these reptiles.
It has to be possible.
There is nothing conincedental or accidental about it.
• Contempt or disdain (one side of the lip may curl slightly)
• Suppressing anger or frustration
• Coldness or cruelty
• Disapproval or judgment"
I want everyone reading what he has to say every day.
Dangerous times we live in.
Recent commemoration services soon forgotten, it seems
How is this going to end? We need to stand together now...
Norwegian NRK just called it a "a controversial salute".
On the other hand they have a track record of inviting semi-nazi right-wingers to get "the other side" of the debate.
Just think it.
They, the owners of the world, promove the fascism by their algorithms.
And the biggest financials, and the biggest weapon, are the big techs social medias.
He clearly stood his ground,
SHOWING HE & MLP HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH NAZI