the amount of mealy-mouthed people crawling out of the woodwork to imply mahmoud khalil doesn’t deserve our full-throated support is evidence of the conditions that allowed him to be disappeared in the first place.
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the illegal kidnapping and human trafficking of a political hostage by the goddamn whitehouse should scare the shit out of this entire country. that is fascist shit. the administration in its entirety should be in prison this is ridiculous
This is the beginning of a more general crackdown. Any American citizen that is considered a participant in a"woke" cause now has a target on their back.
Khalil as a non-citizen and the spokesman of a controversial cause made him an easy target as a test case.
Pretty sure if we met on the street we might end up throwing hands, but I swore an oath a long time ago to uphold the constitution and I am pretty sure snatching people up and trying to deport them without due process is a violation of that.
By allowing permanent residents to be "disappeared", the US has entered full-fascism mode
I'm a little stunned at how many Americans are in complete denial of what their country has turned into & are too incapacitated to do anything about it while they still can
People are like "you wouldn't be upset if those neo-nazis were disappeared." And my response is always that Nazis should have their asses beat by regular Americans in the open and not shipped to Gitmo to be tortured in secret.
The UK government stripped the citizenship of a teenage girl who went off to join ISIS leaving her stateless. I made the same argument then - it doesn’t matter what she did, that power is wrong and if it can be done to her it can be done to any of us.
You are welcome. Thank you for simply pointing out an example of what @marisakabas.bsky.social said. I thought the discussion was about freedom of speech but I guess it is Freedom of Josh's speech. Rethinking my subscription to TPM.
You can just go back and read what he wrote then if you didn’t read it in real time. He’s been clear about how he feels so, he’s not refusing anything here.
100% "He may be a Hamas supporting Palestinian terrorist but eh maybe Trump should show him some leniency cuz you know, free speech and shit..." ---every Dem leader being paid by AIPAC to support genocide who secretly never actually sleeps well at night because of their neverending guilt.
it’s because liberals are center-right wing. they’re fine with the majority of right-wing fascism’s true goals, they just don’t want to be publicly shamed about it and fetishize “decorum”
When you deprive any group of its voice you will eventually deprive others.. And it wasn’t just the Jews that were impacted as recorded by the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust
It really bursts their bubble when you point out that even poll data refutes the lie that protest vote count exclusively explained their loss
Though admittedly I'll also be threatening dem leadership over it in 3 years:"if you don't win leftists then your party is dead; y'all FAFO'd abt that in '24"
Because they have no understanding of their basic rights and how the law works. It will be fine until they are behind a barbwire fence ‘D’oh wah happened’.
History shows that if one group can turn a person or another group into "The Other", by claiming they have no worth, no humanity, then vilification and even eradication of the person or group becomes the acceptable societal action.
💯. I knew this was coming all through the time that the Biden administration was playing right into the hands of the fascistic Israeli government, making Palestinians out to be terrorists just for existing and making Jewish allies terrorists just for being allies.
Honestly! Even the people who fully disagree with him, even if they think he -did- commit a crime, should care about whether it is Innocent until proven guilty or "it's fine if people I disagree with disappear".
It’s never been about efficiency. It’s tearing down the US strength, security, economy, health and education for the benefit of the tinpot war criminal and allow the uberrich to pick up assets cheap in a recession.
I always say this every time I see liberals acting foolish online with extreme rhetoric against those who they should be supporting, or at least not oppressing, the only difference between MAGA and these liberals with extreme responses to things is the environment they grew up in.
There's probably more in this thread I can't see because they're already blocked, but you can set your watch to this sort of thing in any thread on the subject with any amount of replies
I think you're misinterpreting my question. What I'm asking is why more progressives won't put their money where their mouths are and support the main group that's actually fighting Israel? Allegations of terrorism in this context are, in the words of Captain Willard ,"quite completely insane".
You do not, under any circumstances, got to hand it to Ann Coulter. She's mad at Donald Trump so she'll hit him with this, but if she could depose him and install her own pick, the new president would do it and she'd approve.
“There’s almost no one I don’t want to deport” is kind of a bar, in the sense that I feel that way about quite a few people, most of whom are white and are US citizens. Coulter is usually on the list but if she makes rational thought a habit I might relent
It'd explain the whole "no we have to be pro israel no matter what" and constantly promoting people who're dying of cancer or who belong in an old age home over actually functional politicians.
Stupid autocorrect, meant to type “The administration must stop its assault on our inalienable rights” but it came out as “I agree that guy needs to be punished but not like that”.
What I'm wondering is how many of those currently supporting him would change their position if we learned there was clear evidence he'd supported or communicated with Hamas?
If I were you, I'd be more concerned with the pro israel people taking their rhetorical orders directly from the genocidal army of occupation, as opposed to playing mother may I as to whether or not being pro Palestine is this or that.
Like in this case, in terms of the body count-- to put it ghoulishly-- the IDF has everyone else beat to hell and gone in terms of murdering civilians. And that's even before the current situation.
Do you think that the label "terrorist" outside of the actual chances of international terrorism actually solves anything outside of being a political sop to this country or that country?
This isn’t the gotcha you think it is Owen, you just keep moving the goalposts here- we think even terrorists deserve due process, yes. That is not the same as supporting their actions no matter how much you twist it. You’re clearly just saying “maybe Khalil was a terrorist!” because you’re a bigot.
Maybe so. But in case you hadn't noticed it's a highly charged atmosphere and I don't see anyone on the Palestinian side engaged in genocidal mass murder or illegal annexationist occupation.
This is totally related to the Khalil case. If it does turn out that he was paid by or connected to Hamas, are most progressives going to desert him? I would guess yes. I think progressives need to be more prepared to call out US government propaganda about Hamas, and to truly defend free speech.
He’d still deserve a trial to prove any of that was true instead of just immediately shipping him out of the country, that’s how our justice system works, you lousy fuck.
That's the answer I 'm looking for, but I think most progressives would be reluctant to support someone who worked with a "terrorist" group. Even most progressives haven't realized that that kind of rhetoric is how the US government suppresses debate.
yes and i wonder, what if Batman showed up? or if pigs could fly?
who gives a flying fuck? RIGHT NOW they're trying to illegally revoke his green card and deport him. they're trying to violate due process. why the fuck would you even ask this
Isn't it important that progressive Americans will support a people, but not support the elected government of that people, which is the largest group fighting for their independence? What makes progressives so cowed in that regard?
my dude, the conversation is about due process and the government punishing people for their political speech, not the details of the Israel-Palestine situation
That there are many regular people among us willing to make excuses for human right abuses.
Everyone deserves the same treatment from the justice system.
Define support or communicate?
Because communication can be as vague as "listened to a Hamas talking point on a news channel", and support is considered "believes that Palestinians deserve a voice".
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The discourse on what supports and communication is is heavily skewed in one direction. And unless they were sending bombs and directing targets, then it isn't material support, and it's just free speech.
Well let's say that Hamas provided funds to him to help him buy sharpies and duct tape. And he had called them on a phone a handful of times and we didn't know exactly what they'd talked about.
Owen what the fuck are you trying to accomplish with this - he deserves due process no matter what; anything less makes you a lousy fascist. It’s pretty simple dude. All you are doing is blatantly trying to sway public opinion by being a fascist boot licker and it’s fucking pathetic bro.
i guess they just started making americans think is ok to deport "illegal" immigrants and they just move it until it is "anyone who disagrees with the USA government"
What’s his back story? Did he organize Columbia? Did he ever meet with them during the protests? What happened if so? I don’t think he or anyone deserves what the Trump Admin is doing to them. But I voted to protect them all. So here we are. I got the memo. Sadly so many did not.
he deserves it and the Dems can’t yield one inch on this. Even though he’s a lowlife piece of shit specifically targeted because he’s a funded extremist, he still deserves 100% defense.
his extremism is public knowledge. He fronts CUAD and endorsed armed “resistance” in a public statement, and also has publicly approved of the oct 7 massacre. CUAD sent $$ to various groups affiliated with Hamas. Is he a terrorist? i doubt it because whatever Trump is up to is always baloney.
I don’t know enough to cast any judgement on the man himself, but it doesn’t really matter, does it? If his rights have been violated, it doesn’t matter is he’s an asshole or a saint, you support him. Otherwise civil society ceases to exist.
Precisely, it doesn't matter whether you agree with him or not, or whether he had some effect on the outcome of the last election or not. The govt. cannot be allowed to detain/arrest people for speech it doesn't like. Period.
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Khalil as a non-citizen and the spokesman of a controversial cause made him an easy target as a test case.
I’m reminded of Jackie Wang’s Against Innocence: Race, Gender, and the politics of Safety (2012).
The current moment is merely the logical extension of the same “appeal to the white imaginary.”
For context: http://www.liesjournal.net/volume1-10-againstinnocence.html
We are past the time of cooperation. Fascists have kicked down the gates and set the country on fire.
If we don’t fight now it’ll just get harder!
I'm a little stunned at how many Americans are in complete denial of what their country has turned into & are too incapacitated to do anything about it while they still can
all they'll care about in two years is deleting their socials and hoping nobody notices that they weren't maga the whole time
The very shadiest of
The ACLU aka “LIBERALS” who are famously supported by “the left.”
https://bsky.app/profile/judiciarydems.senate.gov/post/3lk22zu3kdc2q
I wonder what the difference is 🤔🤔🤔🤔
https://hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/
He literally can't????
The rank and file of the Democratic Party has so much trash in it.
Though admittedly I'll also be threatening dem leadership over it in 3 years:"if you don't win leftists then your party is dead; y'all FAFO'd abt that in '24"
https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
This is another line crossed toward fascism.
https://radicaldiscipleship.net/2024/02/26/the-pitfalls-of-liberalism/
Insane world.
Ann Coulter is a disgusting hateful ghoul, but in principle she's doing better than half the DNC on this issue in particular. Says a lot.
But the thing is, they're so spineless, given that same chance to depose trump, they'd just say "God is on the throne" or some weird shit like that.
Yes or no? IDF fanboy fuck
Feel me?
Do you see the PKK to be terrorists?
Do you think that the label "terrorist" outside of the actual chances of international terrorism actually solves anything outside of being a political sop to this country or that country?
So you see how it is?
I mean do you defend promoting the propaganda of a genocidal ethnosupremacist army?
Yes or no?
that kind?
who gives a flying fuck? RIGHT NOW they're trying to illegally revoke his green card and deport him. they're trying to violate due process. why the fuck would you even ask this
There are a lot of Adolf Eichmanns out there.
Everyone deserves the same treatment from the justice system.
Because communication can be as vague as "listened to a Hamas talking point on a news channel", and support is considered "believes that Palestinians deserve a voice".
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While a lot of the protests are from the usual anti-israel crowd, a fair amount are from people who want the goverment to have to produce proof.
We gotta be strategic, Xi and putler are. You've got the right stuff in focus.
Change won't happen if we can just disappear any one any time anywhere.
That's the last chance we'll get to fix this ourselves, it already put a toe in, in Idaho of all places.