Musk: When the United States was formed, there were only secretary of state, secretary of war, secretary of the treasury and attorney general. That was it. If it were up to me, I would say let's make it like that again.
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There was also slavery, women couldn't vote, we brutally murdered the natives. Shall I go on? We know what kind of America you want and it's INSANE that you are an immigrant closing the door behind you. The most disgusting vile kind of human being.
Sadly, people like Musk see nothing wrong with that. Today, though, they're shooting for Feudalism 2.0--all the power and free (or almost free) labor, none of the overhead of official ownership.
We've got like 320 million people in this country now - - and you don't think that makes it different? Go find a different place to live, like South Africa. It isn't up to you. Nobody elected you. Nobody wants you here. Nobody likes you. You will be a pariah in the US when this is over.
It’s astonishing that he hasn’t realized how much the American people are rebelling against billionaires lecturing on topics they clearly don’t understand!!!
Yet, he's given free rein to demolish all of our institutions, because people think he's a visionary genius. The founding fathers never imagined such an ignorant populace.
Time only moves in one direction forward.
they didn't have you sir nor radio, tv, internet, space travellers, aircraft, air pollution, 320 million citizens , no Texas, no California and on and on, no telegraph, no electric cars. They had plenty of horse shit. yours H.G. Wells
I'll take the tech, just get rid of Musk. He didn't actually invent any of it. Tesla was started be Martin Eberhart and Marc Tarpenning. Elon bought the company, just like he did Twitter when they were doing badly. He made Twitter far worse as X and is now tanking Tesla.
Tesla’s Swasticars are forever tainted and will never recover, even if musk plans to “cleverly” walk away. Teslas are the Pintos of this time, “Unsafe for any Democracy”!
I agree with your general sentiment, but if that were the case, nobody would be driving Volkswagens (company actually started by Hitler). The technology is not the man, and Elon didn’t start sh*t.
Definitely not even close to a Pinto. As I said, the tech is awesome, and so are EVs. Elon has to go. He has tainted the reputation of a company that was around before him and hopefully will be around long after he’s gone.
And only 2.5M in population... That's 136 times less than today. It's basically the size of the four least populous states together, and less than Puerto Rico.
The powerful love to cherry-pick history, conveniently leaving out where the Founders explicitly warned against wealth controlling government. That’s why they built checks, balances, and accountability. Knowing one day, greed would come dressed as patriotism.
He is an American citizen and it's important not to delegitimize other immigrants. What he doesn't have is the right to dismantle the programs that Congress has created and funded
We also fought and hunted with muskets, walked or rode horses, had a population of 2.5 million, no billionaires or international conglomerates. Life was much more simple and we’re never going back. 🙄
Well guess what Elon? You’re not even a birthright citizen and since your sec of state wants to play with which citizens have more rights. I would think that you fall into that category since you aren’t birthright citizen. You have no say leave us alone now
In 1776, the combined population of the 13 colonies was 2.5 million (roughly equivalent to Chicago). You can’t run a country the size of the US today with five people and a stable of horses. I don’t know what the ever-loving fuck he thinks he’s talking about.
I’ve checked out two of his biographies and reviewed one, and let me tell you - this man’s mental faculties have been shot to hell. He had serious issues his whole life but when he became enamored with Twitter and decided to buy it is when it all fell apart.
I remember when he was on some nightly news show like 60 minutes. I usually watch TV in passing, but my husband watched. He seemed a little more impressive back then and was talking about making electric cars inexpensive enough that everyone could own one.
his first wife and realized he was already odd. She said he was happiest when she changed her hair color to platinum.
Something seems to have happened around 2020. He was furious over COVID restrictions and would not shut Tesla down and a lot of workers got sick. I wonder if that is also when
I understand he has a trauma history, and there is a strong correlation between PTSD and substance abuse. He needs help, from an experienced therapist, and we would all benefit if he were locked up at Hazelden Betty Ford for 6- 12 months.
What I’ve read is that his father was physically abusive. Also that as a child he witnessed and was a victim of violence at school. It doesn’t matter if you or I like the guy or not.
Plenty of physical abuse victims do not go on to kill literal millions with the stroke of a pen by cutting off aid. Don't use trauma to justify anybody being a fucking monster.
I know people with way more screwed up family histories than he has, who couldn’t dream of affording one month in a decent rehab. Right now we’re in such dangerous times, I want him locked away somewhere. If he gets treatment, so much the better. He can afford it. But jailing him suits me fine, too.
They never counted as 3/5 of a person. 3 out of every 5 were counted towards the representation of their owners. They were considered property and did not have the rights of a person.
To put it in perspective: Thomas Jefferson owned 400 slaves, and was thus worth 241 people in the apportionment count, and only landowners like him could vote.
The US was also an incoherent shithole of scattered states. Musk should listen to the Founding Fathers, their intellect far exceeeds Musk, they had very little to work with and made it great, he has very much to work with, but accomplishes very little
You have the audacity, the confidence, the deepest of love for the United States of America to suggest that those who have been born here, came and lived here, (paid taxes here) for years upon years upon years?
History lesson from someone who is not a natural born citizen, entered this country as an illegal alien, became a billionaire here, & now thinks America is not good enough for him so it needs a remake.
People like Trump and Musk don't share a history with the rest of Americans.
They didn't have families who fought in the wars, worked on the farms and factories, struggled and fought for their rights.
They are American citizens, but they aren't Americans.
Trump’s mother wasn’t born in America. By his logic he is an anchor baby who should have birthright citizenship revoked, as are all his children. And is the Muskrat really a naturalized citizen? I want to see his papers!
It's also a false equivalence. If he wants that reasoning then there were no motor vehicles so the USA doesn't Tesla. There were no rockets so SpaceX shouldn't exist. Much of #SpaceKaren #PresidentMusk 's wealth is $bns in subsidies to those, and so on. /1
These foreign millionaires are infected with a terrifying desire to change America to the way they want it, instead of just enjoyingit for what it is, or going home. We are not your Lego Set, Rupert and Marc and Peter and Elon!
Hell, even long ago PayPal was an attempt to completely replace the US Dollar.
It’s always been a coup.
A very slow rolling coup.
Thiel and that whole group started setting up their pawns and puppets long long ago. Now completely *activated* and installed at the highest levels of US government.
Had no idea that Attorney General hand wrote all his opinions with no help from clerks. Or that the treasury secretary handed out coins to those entitled. The population was 3,929,214. Area 430,000 square miles. Population 2024-- 340.1 million; square miles 3,794,083
I guess we shouldn’t be surprised that the guy who’s never created a thing & just bought other people’s genius with blood emerald apartheid money…is really only good at destroying things…even the things he bought
#FckThefElon!
He wants the state shrunk to the point where it has no power and the oligarchs rule unchallenged. The Heritage Foundation (project 2025) has supported this long before Musk showed up. This includes getting rid of free education and social security. They only need military and law enforcement.
Yeah, it's mostly because Musk is a PUSSY, REAL MEN take their drugs RIGHT IN THE VEIN, none of this sublingual bullshit, what are you Musk, some kind of low-t beta cuck loser?
He should prove he's a REAL MAN by taking MORE DRUGS, everything he can get, all at once, THEN people will like him...
What does he have to do with any of this? He’s a contracted sycophant, buddy of Trump, South African born and raised, never elected to any American office.
If it were up to him slavery would be legalized, women would be hand maidens and he would pay child support for his innumerable bastard children. So no. We will never make it like that again. NEVER. NEVER. NEVER.
The richest man in the world from South Africa is in Green Bay wisconsin, giving a town hall on how we should live and run the American government.. and he wonders why we hate him!
That's hilarious 😂 That guy is painful to listen to. Hmmm... I wonder why they didn't have departments of energy, transportation and interior when the country first formed? Who could ever say?
You know why he doesn't want an Environmental Protection Agency or a Department of the Interior (stopping him from acquiring all the land and doing whatever destructive thing he can imagine with it). You know why he doesn't want worker's compensation or unemployment insurance.
You know why he hates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau--he's still hoping to set up his "everything ex app" and steal all the customers' money.
He's droit de seignuer pilled - his right never to be threatened or questioned. I expect nothing less from the son of a died in the wool Afrikaner family.
The weird thing is they aren't Afrikaners at all. They're totally English-speaking, and the mother's side are English Canadians who emigrated *to* South Africa because they liked apartheid so much. They don't have the (garbage) excuse of Afrikaners of feeling their culture is threatened.
And in that sense they're exactly the same as our Trumpies pretending to be hillbillies (Hi, JD) and factory slaves (Hello, Mr. Bannon) as a populist excuse for their policy plans.
All this is 100% correct. But that make them more Afrikaner than the Afrikaner - it's something they have converted too and desire. Like those late life converted Catholics who quote synods to oppress the gays and wimmin.
Why should they bother hearing arguments at all? They can just have their clerks leave a white handbag on the desk when they side with the government, and a black handbag when they side with the plaintiff.
Thinking back to the Federal Era, the people who would have been most analogous to Elon Musk -- the ones with the very most money, whose financial power extended the farthest -- these were men like John Hancock, Robert Morris, and Benjamin Franklin. They had ethics of public responsibility.
Oh, I know. I just mean it's possible to be morally imperfect & still have the capacity to WANT to be moral & to WANT the good of the community (as you envision it).
Fuck this creep. When the United States was formed, there were only 2.5 million people, only 13 former colonies along the Eastern seaboard and it was an agrarian economy. Does this drug-addled fuckwit not realize we are the largest economy in the world with a huge land mass and 350+ million people.
No problem. In the past, I would have just taken that the 2.5m were all Europeans. We weren't considered human, except when the pop #'s needed padding.
The more I research my enslaved great grandparents & great great grandparents, the more I feel its important to re-humanize the enslaved to evryone
Keep up the good research! and safety preserve it esp. in the current climate.
My dad's brother married a lady with Black ancestry. She was white, but ashamed to the point she ignored her heritage. Her granddaughter is tracing her family tree.
Sounds a bit opposite of my mom's grandfather who was a Blond Irish man. He came here post Civil War. The ship he was on stopped in Jamaica. He fell in love w/ a dark Jamaican woman & got her to marry him.
Then they cont'd on to the US. GreatGrand Dad was told that he couldnt be married to her.
Not to mention a little more than half of those 1.7m had no voting rights, couldn't own property, couldn't own a business. Amazing how a wealthy white man wants to return the US to a time when wealthy white men kept all the rights for themselves. 🤔
Oh ffs...stfu, Leon. Public speaking, or thinking really isn't your forte. Go buy another company, and maybe visit your kids who aren't branded to your weird dystopian thought process.
In 1789, there were 13 states in the United States. These were the original colonies that declared independence from Britain and later ratified the U.S. Constitution.
While Musk's historical reference is accurate, reducing the federal government to its 1789 structure ignores the complexities of modern governance, where national security, technology, healthcare, and global diplomacy require specialized leadership far beyond four positions.
When the United States was formed, we fought off tyranny and refused a monarchy, and it was people like you and donOld the founders warned us about and why they sought to create checks and balances... I would say let's make it like that again...
On second thought, yes Donald. You go visit London. In the insane event they offered you an invitation, you go. Enjoy yourself. Immerse your lumpiness in the courtesy and respect I bet they'll show you.
And there were about a hundred people compared to today and the average life span was 40. People lived short miserable filthy god forsaken lives and women, Africans, and children were chattel. Do go on…
Somebody said the population at that time was only 2.5 million people. The size of Chicago. As well as the fewer states, no electricity so no high tech stuff.
Not that it's the point -- but I'm a history pedant -- in the (now) US, no one was burned for witchcraft. They were hanged. Burning alive DID happen here but it was more a 19th century thing, it this horrific thing almost done exclusively to Black people.
There were 2.5 M people and 4 cabinet officials in 1776? So if we extrapolate for today’s population that would put us at 544 cabinet officials. Seems like we’ve done pretty well, frankly.
Well, it's not up to him. He is an apartheid loving transplant who got rich by our government. He never invented anything he BOUGHT things and took credit for others' work. He is a disease.
That's a real winning message with senior citizens who have been subject to #SocialSecurity taxes all of their lives and are in real danger of losing their money. Does this mean #Musk will turn down the millions in government contracts he has been granted by the Trump dictatorship?
Are we going back to 1800 life? I’m going to miss indoor plumbing and so many of the other innovations since then. Some things I absolutely won’t miss are Teslas, X, exploding rockets, and whining billionaires.
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But they did storm the airports!
But it's not up to you though, mother fucker.
For once, I'm with Elon.
Not our history and evolution since the 1700s, not our government, Constitution, laws, ideals & values, culture, nothing.
He's either really stupid or never bothered trying to understand his adopted country.
Following you Lori from Twitter 🙏⚖️
they didn't have you sir nor radio, tv, internet, space travellers, aircraft, air pollution, 320 million citizens , no Texas, no California and on and on, no telegraph, no electric cars. They had plenty of horse shit. yours H.G. Wells
JFC, can this fucking clown just go to Mars already?? Or blow up in one of his driving coffins?
I mean, if we’re getting rid of stuff.
So, the jackass from South Africa is telling us how our country should be.
I’m just gonna say it:
Fuck off Elon Musk!
Remember when truth was still truth?
Oh and they can take W Bush with them as well. I’m sure Putin would be glad to see all of his compadres.
Think we’ve grown a bit since then.
Then I read an interview or story about
Something seems to have happened around 2020. He was furious over COVID restrictions and would not shut Tesla down and a lot of workers got sick. I wonder if that is also when
He will crash. He can already feel it. It will be epic.
"...absolute power corrupts absolutely" (Acton)
Did one of the servants refuse the young master a second scoop of ice cream when he was a child?
Give me a break.
Your cue, Mr. President, to scream “Fake news.”
I think that to say he doesn’t need SOME kind of treatment would be ludicrous.
I know anyone on here would agree but he does have a pretty screwed up childhood and it’s worth him examining.
https://vocal.media/history/why-did-this-billionaire-go-insane-the-tragic-story-of-howard-hughes
He's now like a horse with a broken leg. But a horse with $260B and access to the Federal government
This leaves just VP + 2 to deem the POTUS unfit?
Only a jackass would think you could govern 340+ million people with a cabinet of 3 people.
And no Twitter…
Point?
An amalgam of techno city states.
Since you’re not familiar with the Constitution of the United States of America?
I know that this speech, in this TV show, finalized my own choice to serve my country…
https://youtu.be/uGO-SldLrNA
So say we all
Make it so
This is the way.
Captain Jean Luc Picard
Make it so.
So say we all.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._Madison
You have the audacity, the confidence, the deepest of love for the United States of America to suggest that those who have been born here, came and lived here, (paid taxes here) for years upon years upon years?
No.
We Americans cannot be bought.
They were illegals to begin with, probably bought their citizenships.
They didn't have families who fought in the wars, worked on the farms and factories, struggled and fought for their rights.
They are American citizens, but they aren't Americans.
MAGA.
Intelligent.
Apathetic/ignorant.
It’s always been a coup.
A very slow rolling coup.
Thiel and that whole group started setting up their pawns and puppets long long ago. Now completely *activated* and installed at the highest levels of US government.
#FckThefElon!
Only good idea he's had yet.
Go back to your crypt. 🤨
And all those people who believe this bullshit are just as fucking stupid as him
That said, all the Ketamine he's been taking has probably put a bit of a dint in even that...
No one asked you to come fuck it all up.
He should prove he's a REAL MAN by taking MORE DRUGS, everything he can get, all at once, THEN people will like him...
Exhibit A - RBG and McConnell.
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yes
Not even giving their brains a chance to recognize the bullshit being touted, just listen..... then clap.
Insects are particularly susceptible to becoming zombie hosts to parasites but here we are as humans.
And there are reasons why.
We're NOT going Back.
You 💩³
"Expert on democracy"
(I don't know if it'll make a difference but it's a good start)
But the dark side is Musk seeing his interest threatened. You know why he doesn't want a secretary of labor (forcing him to treat workers fairly)...
At least they were fairly educated. 🙄
-The French/British
-Indigenous People
And after the colonies became states, in the early years they never threatened to take over America ala Putin's Russia.
Almost 700,000 of that 2.5 million were considered and treated cruely as sub-human or in-human chattel animals meant to toil for the 1.7m survival
Funny how that always gets hidden.
The more I research my enslaved great grandparents & great great grandparents, the more I feel its important to re-humanize the enslaved to evryone
My dad's brother married a lady with Black ancestry. She was white, but ashamed to the point she ignored her heritage. Her granddaughter is tracing her family tree.
Then they cont'd on to the US. GreatGrand Dad was told that he couldnt be married to her.
Also a time when men only wanted to marry wealthy white women so they could automatically own their property.
If certain people get their way, all but the 1% will b in the same condition.
No knowledge of the subject
No clue what he's talking about
So yeah, why not go back to the mid-18th century so Musk can serve as King George III!
https://youtu.be/CCj_q8tw-mI
#TeslaTakedown
Go peddle your Swasticars in your Shit Hole homeland…
https://open.substack.com/pub/demodirge/p/is-voting-a-veneer-is-americas-democracy?r=9gmmo&utm_medium=ios
Let’s never leave that fact out when posting anything he says or does.
#NaziElon
Certainly none that have influence in areas they are completely ignorant about.