We're gonna look back on this era and be so baffled and infuriated about how much time the media spent complaining about DEI trainings. Yes some of them are silly but overall, companies recruiting minorities and trying to create less hostile workplaces is good! - ThreadSky

michaelhobbes.bsky.social • 1 day ago

We're gonna look back on this era and be so baffled and infuriated about how much time the media spent complaining about DEI trainings. Yes some of them are silly but overall, companies recruiting minorities and trying to create less hostile workplaces is good!

Reposted from Victor Ray

Coke is often used as a a positive case study of an organization that did diversity right (after a bruising loss in an anti-discrimination suit). Conservatives claim to be free marketers, but by forcing companies to end anti-discrimination policies, they put bigotry over profits.

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cullenish.bsky.social•1 day ago

Talking with relatives in corporate roles at large companies, it's becoming pretty clear to me that these businesses are filled with well-educated, kind people who genuinely value DEI initiatives on personal AND professional levels.

Most seem to believe these programs are legitimately valuable.

fascistsoftwitter.bsky.social•1 day ago

I’m in adult learning and development. I’ve done work for some of the biggest corporations in the country. 95% of DEI training is simple telling people don’t be an open bigot. And they seem absolutely ridiculous to most. Until you meet the ones who actually need them.

fascistsoftwitter.bsky.social•1 day ago

My favorite story was a sales agent who got a Chinese speaker on the phone. In the sales chat she asked “I have someone speaking Chinese. Does anyone know that or any other oriental language?”

This didn’t come from a place of hate. She was really that ignorant.

fascistsoftwitter.bsky.social•1 day ago

Not only did she not understand oriental was not an ok thing to say, she legitimately thought all Asian languages were transferable. Just complete ignorance. She is who these trainings for her. If people want to get mad at someone, that’s who they should start with

slowlys.bsky.social•1 day ago

I feel for the young people who will have to study this timeslice some day and just shout 'WHY' nonstop. Kinda similar to the seagulls in Finding Nemo.

priyachand.bsky.social•1 day ago

frankly, it says a lot about the makeup of those newsrooms

tosyandcosh.bsky.social•1 day ago

Also: Corporate trainings being silly/ineffective/theater/lacking substance . . . none of this is new or remotely specific to DEI. This was always a ridiculous charge.

michaelhobbes.bsky.social•1 day ago

Exactly, sexual harassment trainings are often quite silly but they're just one component of a suite of activities intended to make women feel safe in the workplace and that's good!

derringerpax.bsky.social•1 day ago

It's like someone not knowing what something is so they free associate the worst possible definition they can think of, then gets mad at anyone who tries to correct them and calls them liars, then wins a series of increasingly powerful offices on the platform of destroying the thing they made up...

technicallyowen.bsky.social•1 day ago

What is conservative political theory?

ghostyspook.bsky.social•1 day ago

Somebody at work used to send pretty generic dei emails that were like ‘here is a cool story of a person of color’ or whatever and someone asked to be taken off the list.

Like that was so offensive they couldn’t just hit delete without reading

owen-symes.bsky.social•1 day ago

In my experience, the most frustrating part about any corporate training wasn't the content, it was that perfect combination of "this is mandatory" and "this is the lowest effort possible." Sitting through unskippable, hour-long videos followed by 20 question quizzes at the end was just the worst.

incompetusrex.bsky.social•1 day ago

I found unconscious bias trainings very helpful.

Some prejudices are just remnants of stupid shit you heard as a child and just carried with you into adulthood.

incompetusrex.bsky.social•1 day ago

Like, I had a low opinion of Polish people because of they were the butt of a lot of jokes I heard in grade and when I actually met some as an adult, the stupidity of the stereotype bouncing around in my head became obvious.

ericlinuskaplan.bsky.social•1 day ago

it's the kind of person who used to be offended when Inuits said "Don't call me an Eskimo, please." A very selfish, immature, weak, toxic person basically. Cause if you are working with Inuits and somebody tells you they want to be called Inuits -- that's good. You just got helped out.

jsthrill.modphi.com•1 day ago

Optimistic of you to think there will be a future

themistocleswall.bsky.social•1 day ago

& POPULAR👇🏼

the media got so played in 2024 by dipshits like chris rufo & el neon reporters gullibly regurgitated their “DEI bad” BS to the country

the Jim Crow GOP are lying bigots trying to hold back the starship enterprise

https://bsky.app/profile/themistocleswall.bsky.social/post/3lf3p4lwwa22e

# @maddow.msnbc.com
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lovedrugslaw.bsky.social•1 day ago

And a lot of people are overestimating how much orgs actually followed through on their commitments!

trvscole.bsky.social•1 day ago

It was never about the trainings though.

dcrockett17.bsky.social•1 day ago

And mostly formalizing recruitment and hiring rather than just going on vibes.

cassidyaster.bsky.social•1 day ago

I'm struggling to think of silly DEIA trainings I've been too and honestly can't think of any? They usually did leave me thinking about how to improve visitor experience and stay relevant in a community with changing needs. How to find translators, how to keep people safe, how to de-escalate

cassidyaster.bsky.social•1 day ago

I was doing first person historical reenactment in full victorian dress while mask mandates were still in effect and had the opportunity to learn about turn of the century medical PPE. Thought a lot about how little attitudes around disability changed between then and now.

cassidyaster.bsky.social•1 day ago

Anger at a truly minor inconvenience or change in service that benefits someone with accessibility needs and harms no one is poked and prodded into a boil of resentment that is then harnessed by a demagogue. Over and over and over.

cassidyaster.bsky.social•1 day ago

Meanwhile we have Homo erectus fossils from Dmanisi that show clear evidence of community care and support for people with disabilities. Ancestral hominids figuring out fire and cold weather for the first time were smarter and more creative than any silicon valley tech startup ceo.

blandpotato.bsky.social•1 day ago

“DEI wasn’t created to give unqualified POC/women positions over more qualified white people. DEI was created to make sure unqualified white people weren’t getting positions over qualified POC/women”

It’s a simple concept

Racism/misogyny are a hell of a drug

michaelhobbes.bsky.social•1 day ago

America is diverse! Companies hiring people from a wide range of groups and creating environments where they feel comfortable is good morally and economically. It's incredible how many people managed to miss the forest for the trees on this

edmorrish.bsky.social•1 day ago

it's very funny to have watched the economy become more diverse, meaning that it made sense economically to not be racist/homophobic/sexist, and then about four white straight men said "but i want more money" so now we're stripping our governments for parts

wandawalker.bsky.social•1 day ago

what's funny is that this is exactly how biological evolution works. The more diverse the gene pool, the more likely a species is to survive a fallout. That's how the Nazis could kill nearly all of Germany's schizophrenics and 2 generations later, they're all back. Nature itself demands diversity.

peter-butler.bsky.social•1 day ago

What's remarkable is that you can see it every day in the advertisements that companies produce

They're not really giving up on DEI at all. They're just hiding it b/c they're maximizing return for investors by collaborating with the dictatorship

junayt.bsky.social•1 day ago

It's a bad faith objection, though. I don't think it's missing the forest for the trees. I think whining about DEI is just a permissible indulgence of white male grievance

evilmam.bsky.social•1 day ago

I think it's hard to really absorb how much racists don't care if a community/company/country is sustainable and/or productive as long as it's 100% White. They see the loss of productivity as a sad but necessary sacrifice, and they offer it up willingly.

santacruzmag.bsky.social•1 day ago

Not just morally and economically, socially it's great to meet and get to know diverse populations of people. Perhaps knowing and working with a trans person, could help quell some of the ridiculous fears some people (assholes) have.

peter-butler.bsky.social•1 day ago

Not just morally, economically, and socially ... but biologically too ;)

We wouldn't have much life at all without genetic diversity

santacruzmag.bsky.social•1 day ago

I couldn’t agree more. Weakling, scaredy cat Republicans need to buck up and realize diversity isn’t dangerous, it’s key to a better life and better society.

msemmalyon.bsky.social•1 day ago

I built a leadership team at a large company that was majority WOC by actually hiring and promoting based on merit and we were super successful! I didn't even do it on purpose, I just legit identified the best people.

lbbailey.bsky.social•1 day ago

It's not intrinsically a moral failing to follow patterns that have been baked into your brain for decades. The benefit of these programs is pulling people out of a myopia they may not even be aware of. I've seen it in business and artistic arenas. It's pointing out where the horizon really is.

emdashel.bsky.social•1 day ago

It’s cause people have been brainwashed into thinking they are all temporarily embarrassed millionaires and it must be the brown people who stole our wealth.

builduprdns.bsky.social•1 day ago

got this yesterday

infinitelyloopy.bsky.social•1 day ago

Republicans are free market so long as the market isn’t doing something that they philosophically oppose.

The same thing happened with the climate investing projects. If people want to invest their money that way there is no reason they shouldn’t be able to.

rsquared.bsky.social•1 day ago

My sense is that many companies that noisily abandon DEI initiatives will find themselves facing real headwinds in attracting and retaining talent

i-sing-of-olaf.bsky.social•1 day ago

It is truly as simple as that. It broadens a company's talent pool and creates deeper pathways for that talent to progress. And it's good for literally everyone, except maybe the creep who wants to squeeze women's butts and/or touch people's natural hair.

kavavita.bsky.social•1 day ago

There are so, so many studies showing that diversity among employees leads to better sales figures and higher stock valuation.

kavavita.bsky.social•1 day ago

“In a McKinsey study, highly diverse businesses were 36 percent more profitable than competitors with low diversity.”

https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inclusion/diversity-wins-how-inclusion-matters

kavavita.bsky.social•1 day ago

“Employees of firms with 2-D diversity are 45% likelier to report a growth in market share over the previous year and 70% likelier to report that the firm captured a new market.”

https://hbr.org/2013/12/how-diversity-can-drive-innovation

kavavita.bsky.social•1 day ago

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesinsights/2020/01/15/diversity-confirmed-to-boost-innovation-and-financial-results/

kavavita.bsky.social•1 day ago

https://news.utdallas.edu/business-management/research-shows-diversity-can-improve-stores-sales/

noisefy.bsky.social•1 day ago

To me it shows the power of right wing propaganda

road2diogenes.bsky.social•1 day ago

And that there is nothing equal to it for the left.

MSNBC? Ha.

phyllindablank.bsky.social•1 day ago

MSNBC is anchored by "Both sides are bad" conservatives. They're hardly symmetrical w Fox.

jeremyhellwig.bsky.social•1 day ago

I had someone tell me these policies are unnecessary because, if I just looked around my office, I would see it's probably already more diverse than America as a whole. I was like, dude, I work in tech, so that's absolutely 1000% not true.

jeremyhellwig.bsky.social•1 day ago

And if anyone really thinks there isn't still discrimination in America, go to literally any comedy club's website and compare how many more men they have booked than women. Some clubs you can sometimes scroll multiple months and only see white guys.

sharethecities.bsky.social•1 day ago

All the instant capitulation instead of collective resistance from orgs with justice in their values and mission statements 🫠

bangaroo.likes.fish•1 day ago

also everyone says this shit is all common sense but i've absolutely been in a room with a manager who ordered no vegetarian pizza then asked our indian employees if they were gonna eat or were waiting for the curry pizza to show up

like some people actually do need to hear that shit

arthurdeodat.bsky.social•1 day ago

Not really, when you take into account how bigoted humans will be when given half the chance. It’s slightly more surprising that so many companies are just kissing the ring when they know it will harm them.

derfelif.bsky.social•1 day ago

The GOP has it's own system MCI -- Money, Connections, and Influence. They think it is meritocratic! DEI should have been sold like this:

premiumsteve.bsky.social•1 day ago

I think the return of the r slur kind of spells it out. People didn’t like being negatively treated for saying slurs, so they decided to burn the country down instead of accepting the need for mutual respect in a society

caseinmicelles.bsky.social•1 day ago

As someone who wrote DEI trainings, they largely focused on preventing HR disasters and as a PSA for employees, particularly white and male employees, about what acceptable workplace behavior should look like. And that's GOOD.

caseinmicelles.bsky.social•1 day ago

I think what no one is saying is that the spirit of corporate DEI training probably isn't going anywhere because they make companies stronger. They'll just slap new terms on it to comply with the will of the current executive.

chilledpunkrock.bsky.social•1 day ago

And any companies that do that are still cowards. That’s just trying to make both sides happy when one decidedly doesn’t deserve it. Just slap “this business supports segregation” (that’s what DEI programs end after all) on them and see how long they try to be cute about it.

madgant.bsky.social•1 day ago

Companies don’t do most of those trainings out of the goodness of their hearts either - they are to minimize legal liability. I feel like a number of companies are going to quickly remember that when the lawsuits start piling up

enough-already.bsky.social•1 day ago

Why don’t companies just hire POC, LGBTQ+, disabled etc anyway and just not classify it as DEI hires? As long as their resumes fit the position then it shouldn’t be a problem and Muskrat can’t get involved.

ghostyspook.bsky.social•1 day ago

Nobody is being classified as a ‘dei hire’ that is trump/musks way of dismissing good employees

enough-already.bsky.social•1 day ago

They are looking for companies that support DEI. So if they just do the hiring without advertising that they do ….. ?

ghostyspook.bsky.social•1 day ago

You said ‘why don’t the companies not classify them as dei hires and hire on merit’

They don’t classify them that way and they do hire on their quals.

Supporting diversity is normal and cool

enough-already.bsky.social•1 day ago

Then I’m not sure how MuskMelon are targeting the companies that support DEI hires??

obsoletevernacular.bsky.social•1 day ago

I worked for a very liberal safety net hospital that had essentially DEI training that was really meant for like ....boomers.

A lot of social norms have changed, and it was more instructive like "use people's pronouns", stick up for coworkers, don't comment on pregnancies

obsoletevernacular.bsky.social•1 day ago

And honestly a lot of older people needed that! It was a reinforcement of current social norms

msnintendique64.bsky.social•1 day ago

This is why they hate it. They want to go back to when they were the arbitrator of the social norms. Boomer are gonna scream and fight for Power until the last of them are dead.

smelendez.bsky.social•1 day ago

American workplace culture is terrible about training in general. People are taught to think only bad employees need training. If your boss puts you on a performance enhancement plan, it means he wants to fire you. Managers write op eds about these kids today who need training on office skills.

smelendez.bsky.social•1 day ago

And training is often used quasi-punitively: a customer complained about you or you failed the phishing test, off to training. Not to mention you often have to do normal work around training sessions. So it makes sense people get angry and defensive at the idea they need training “not to be racist.”

inmontana.bsky.social•1 day ago

Every workplace is chock full of annoyances. If someone had to spend half a day once doing something they found annoying or maybe even mildly insulting, the direct line from that to supporting fascism is the logic of ... I would say a child, but that's not low enough.

housano.bsky.social•1 day ago

It will be another case study of the Lee Atwater methodology of reframing racist goals in ways that would get the lay public to support them.

odanu.responsivellc.com•1 day ago

We're not baffled. Racism was the seed of fascism all along. It is so core to American identity that it is the primary reason we don't have universal health care or a robust safety net, and why we have the most carceral state in the world.

valoisdubins.bsky.social•1 day ago

And not just good as social justice.

It’s good for motivation, productivity and innovation.

edwarddavid.bsky.social•1 day ago

I'm asking you to stop qualifying your criticisms of the bigotry that is motivating this movement.

sanguinarynovel.bsky.social•1 day ago

This morning I had to describe the company's diversity policies for a test (lol), and while it was silly and a little eye rolling in places, the intentions are in a good place. I'd rather work for a company that is trying than just hoping for the best

boringtrans.bsky.social•1 day ago

A time traveler coming back to this time as either a turning point where fascism was fully defeated in the US or a dark age. Either way, if they met someone trying to both sides DEI trainings or complain about saying Latinx, you’d imagine their reaction would be to slam their own head into a wall.

andeeharry1.bsky.social•1 day ago

Oh yeah, I am sure we will. This will fall in line with a lot of it and should fall under the same line as the one where humans lost the human/Emu war

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