The best way that I heard it put was that as a leftist, you are voting for your opponent for the next four years.
Who do you want to fight and how would you see it going?
Yes one of them will continue funding a government which is perpetuating ethnic cleansing while at least trying to pull the reins on it while the other is actively encouraging their worst impulses and promised to actively assist with it which one do you think is worse? Harm Reduction
Biden actively funded the preparation of the ethnic cleansing. His ceasefire proposals don't mean anything in that light and Harris promised no break from his strategy. Meanwhile, even Trump was smart enough to put a ceasefire deal with his name on it in the headlines on election day.
I feel like a lot of leftists only see the bad in America’s history which turns them into anarchists who want to tear America down to the studs. Problem is, what historical analogue do we have which proves this to be a successful course of action outside of Nazi Germany 1/2
Most leftists I've encountered ESPECIALLY on Bluesky
and even in the Timeline talk about "well you shoulda stopped the Genocide" when referring to Kamala campaign.
Now leftists like you are saying "well actually we did end up voting".
Minorities voting right is based off leftists policies, working class based off leftists policies. I mean whole industries collapsed because of outsoursing manufacturing.
Workers think having illegal immigration screws up leverage.
You're contradicting yourself here.
I'm sticking with the first one. The party in power with an interest in reelection should have stopped the ethnic cleansing or at least not funded it. Even Trump was smart enough to put a ceasefire with his name attached in the news on election day.
We wanted them to stop supporting the genocide for humane reasons.
AND
We also wanted them to stop because we actually care about beating Donald Trump, and losing Michigan and other swing states seems like a bad way to beat him.
So you're saying that Donald Trump won michigan because of Gaza?
The most pro Israel anti-middle east/muslim dude who's ever ran won Michigan because of Gaza?
Is that what you're saying?
Again, so minorities voted for The guy who wanted to ban muslims because of the genocide in Gaza?
It wasn't immigration and the economy which again were Trumps platforms, at least pew research shows.
They always abandon the left, turn to the right for votes and wonder why progressives/leftists feel burnt out about the process. The DNC isn't focused on winning, they're focused on billionaire money.
They continue giving the GOP a much better shot at winning than making sure they win.
where's the meme showing those presenting such awful choices getting the shit slapped out of them. No excuse not to expect voter apathy. When it doesn't include them, don't be a slapped ass when they don't show up. own determining this outcome yourselves
If you keep voting for the lesser of two evils and not someone who will actually improve society for workers and not be pro-genocide, they'll keep sending different flavours of the same billionaire-funded asshole.
We’re blaming other citizens because THEY’RE THE ONES WHO VOTED FOR A CANDIDATE WHO WAS NEVER GOING TO GET IN OFFICE, no matter the votes, or they didn’t vote because “not voting and letting Trump get in office is better than genocide that he also supports”
No, you don't get it.
The votes are seen as valuable. However, the online left has made non-participation in electoral politics their entire identity. So why would any rational operator try to appeal to such a group for those votes?
And that's a genuine question. Curious to hear your response.
Exactly. They said they wasn’t gonna vote for the blue team. Said it countless times. Then they are flabbergasted when someone has to go find a voted elsewhere. For people who are about community building when it comes to voting, they always throw the community under the bus for their PERSONAL vote
Shroedinger's important vote. Unimportant until the election is lost trying to cater to the right... in that case their vote is important and HOW DARE THEY NOT VOTE FOR US 😅
Again, if you (all) thought Harris and Walz weren't progressive enough and Trump was a better choice, you are worse than the hillbillies that voted for them. Not voting or voting for Trump, knowing better, just makes a person a petulant little fuck. Work for change, it is not a handout.
Everyone is just voting for the lesser of two evils. Some people are just really bad at recognizing which is worse. Neither has policies I want to see enacted. There are only policies that are “less bad” and “slightly better”
That is fair for you, but some people have policies that are being represented by third parties, which they are shamed for voting for, which is ridiculous.
Only a petulant toddler enables a worse outcome because they didn't get everything they wanted. There was one choice to avert a travesty. Period. Now here we are.
If someone genuinely cares about Gaza then they would have done everything they could to stop Trump winning. If you didn't vote for the Dems over Gaza that was done entirely for you, not for Gaza. You are happy to see Trump build a golf course over it.
I opposed Biden's and Harris' foreign policy on Gaza. I also voted for Harris because you cannot change the mind of a madman. Trump would nuke Gaza if Nwtanyahu asked him to. Harris was open to a solution that didn't involve a row of casinos where Palestinian homes once stood.
Haha Tell me about it.
Hot take But I'd gladly be for a Government policy that pays for these people to leave America to their desired Marxist Utopia in favor of someone from those lands who actually appreciates the things North America has to offer.
Im not even mad at them anymore, too protect my peace, I forgive the ppl behaved like that. and to protect my peace, I'm gonna let them solve the problem without me. its time for a break
The pro-Palestiners were one issue voters, like some anti abortion voters. Could not see the forest for the trees. Frustratingly myopic and so self righteous. Enjoy the havoc and death Trump will cause.
Genocide and our money being sent to a forgien nuclear power to commit the genocide is far from a single issue. Peoole like you were just to cowardly to hold democrats to any real standard other than not being Trump.
Tell that to all the people that will die because of defunding USAid. Tell that to the people being deported to foreign black site jails. You let back into power a madman, here, in our country. Remember the children in cages? The mishandling of the pandemic? Round 2 now.
I'll gladly tell everyone that we are in the position we are because dems tried to run on girl boss fascism and lost as a result and then after whining for years about how dangerous trump is they still let him take power.
You think Harris is a fascist? This is me laughing and crying bc you don’t know what that means. Take a look at Hegseth, Vance, Elon let alone Trump - they are the true fascists. Jan 6 alone. Thanks for letting them take over our government, one issue voter.
She literally ran on aiding a fascist genocide. You would do well to read up on the actual definitions of Fascism. Trump, Vance, and Elon being Fascists doesn't preclude others from also being Fascist.
Actually we have Trump because multiple compounding factors such as the genocide of Gaza aided by the last administration and the absolute shit show of a campaign they ran to try to get a girl boss genocidaire to be electable.
Voted for the left. But knowing they’re “healthcare is never going to happen, get a pony” crowd, I don’t think they’ve let this happen on accident. Trump should’ve been in jail and they’ve let him go.
It should never be a choice between two evils. Unfortunately it's become that for a very long time and people even protested the election because of what was going on around the world. Never waive your right to vote because the person that ends up in power will take it away.
This isn’t the lesser of two evils. It’s between a shitty status quo and a bunch of fascist idiots destroying the country. I get that the status quo is shitty but I would gladly take 4 more years of it to avoid this catastrophe that is playing out. From enabling genocide to taking over the genocide.
However, I will say it really shouldn’t have been that hard for Democrats to prove they’re better than Republicans. And they did it. Unfortunately, over 4 million votes were suppressed thanks to all the election integrity legislation that came about as a result of the big lie. Over 4 million.
The shitty "4 more year'ing" has led to this fulcrum point.
It's been "4 more years" for decades.
"Hey I know the Dems aren't doing anything about the genocide, but they're slightly better on some other random issues...*checks notes*...like demonising asylum seekers?"
It’s always funny when people blame voters who are concerned about something, instead of the professional politicians who neglected to do their job of addressing those concerns.
Yes. People with seemingly no sense of self-awareness whatsoever straightforwardly state that, for example, the problem with Biden/Harris unconditionally backing mass murder wasn't Biden/Harris unconditionally backing mass-murder but that some people were pointing out that they were doing so.
I voted for the lesser of two evils and wanted you to know your IQ is "cold oatmeal". You're blaming the people who have the least amount of power for disliking the fact they were given two really bad choices in a system that's rigged by corporations.
Yes, Thanks misguided socialist teens and twenty's who get their news from Youtube shorts and Tik Tok. I appreciate your hours of non self study into actual problems in our country while you focus on stupid shit we can't control 9000 miles away.
You morons decided you weren't going to vote for Kamala, so now you get Trump and his insane plan for Gaza. You and your kind are 100% responsible. FAFO. You get what you deserve. Israel and HAMAS are both war criminals, after 70+ years of dragging the world into their shit I'm done with them both.
So, you are from the UK as I've never heard anyone in the US use the term "bellend" and I attended Uni in the UK for 4 years. The UK, Italy and Germany also supplied weapons to Israel. They were procured for killing HAMAS and terrorists. 1)
But when weak, scared, cowardly HAMAS terrorists hide in hospitals and schools.. yep, innocents are going to die. We have seen it in every Arab battle. Human shields, their own people sacrificed while they cower in tunnels underground. These are decisions HAMAS made, not the US so fuck off akhi.
The fact is only far left little pansies like yourself think I'm a dickhead and that's about 3% of the US electorate, or less. I'm good with those numbers. Moderate dems are solid dependable dems. I'm far more worried about what is going on here than the 70+ year nightmare happening in palestine.
YOU shut up. Stop blaming leftists. Why do you think the Demonrat party keeps becoming more and more Republican??? Is it because they listen to leftists? Or is it because they ignore them and blame them for everything??????? THINK!!
One problem with this line of reasoning is that it is based on a false premise that Democrats are becoming "more and more Republican". That's simply false.
"Universal suffrage is one of the first and most important tasks" - Karl Marx
Thank you for having no understanding of the actual polling outcomes, and just spewing recycled Hillary 2016 bullshit. Dems drove voters away in the millions for multiple reasons. But praise the worst fucking losers on the planet and watch them lose again. Leftists didn’t lose the election. DNC did
That is a super cool story,but you still gave us trump,condemningPalestine for good &,as a bonus,condemning every minority in theUS.Man, you really showed them didn’t you?Must be nice to have that kind of privilege where you get to play w/people’s lives b/c a candidate is not up to your standards😌🤷♂️
Green Party, DSA, PSL didn’t flip votes in any state. Less than 1% of voters in total. The people that decided the election are not the politically engaged people you’re yelling at. It’s the people on the couch that weren’t stirred by genocide and $50k tax breaks that won’t get.
This too, is a really awesome story, sadly the numbers confirm that people who didn’t vote effectively gave us trump. I understand the shame, but rather than fight it, please learn from it so it won’t happen again. Thanks 🙏
You don’t know what you’re talking about, I’d suggest you actually look at the polling data, because I voted Dem too. But you apparently can’t comprehend that millions of people still held their noses and voted for Kamala. The party that offered nothing tangible lost. It’s a campaign failure.
I get the shame, it’s justified - but the reality and numbers confirm, nonvoters gave us trump. If you’re one of them, I hope you feel super duper proud of it 😌🤷♂️
B/c a lot of people are lazy and were hoping we would still win to have their cake and eat it too 🤷♂️ If you don’t like what’s happening, please don’t be so selfish next time and think of others too.
Yeah, the Dems used to be "don't ask don't tell" and no gay marriage, then moved to acceptance & embracing gays & lesbians, while the GOP continued to go for repression.
Dems aren't becoming more and more Heritage Foundation like GOP.
...To be clear we both think this post is talking about politicians right? That group where it's 99% evil people seeing any degree of success due to you realistically needing a certain combination of social savvy and fluid morals to reliably succeed nowadays?
Gore was the "lesser of two evils"...
Kerry was the "lesser of two evils"...
Obama was the "lesser of two evils"...
Hillary was the "lesser of two evils"...
Biden was the "lesser of two evils"...
Kamala was the "lesser of two evils"...
It's all bullshit. NONE OF THEM WERE EVER EVIL AT ALL!!
Imagine if, instead of everyone thinking they only have two options, we could work together, and vote for who we actually want? I really can't comprehend why we don't do that.
Genocide Joe was in office when they were selling stolen Palestinian land in NY, NJ, and LA synagogues. Peaceful protestors were arrested.
Genocide Joe was an office when in December 2023 they started advertising waterfront Gaza condos. You’re only paying attention now because it’s TЯ☭mp.
AMAZING how people who remained silent on the genocide are suddenly finding their voices because … TЯ☭mp. They only care about Gaza enough to use it and TЯ☭mp as a cudgel to blame anyone but themselves…
God can you liberals ever shut up for 5 seconds about voting and conceive of politics in literally ANY other terms? Aren't you supposed to be the people who blather on constantly about resistance? So how about you put that useless ballot down and fucking RESIST for once?!
Funnily enough, people who only talk about voting don't tend to do anything else either, which is the problem I'm complaining about. Voting is a mid-level concern that's only periodically relevant, and we are NOT in that period right now, so focus on it is wasted energy
If conscientious objecting is enough to get out of being drafted, it's good enough to not vote.
Spend your limited energy fighting actual nazis instead plz
Cuz it sounds like you're giving up
Looks to me like they’re kinda saying the same thing you are. These voters your meme centers were and are still breathlessly claiming that both parties are identical. The only inaccuracy is calling them centrists lol
A new and rising Singer said: well the dems never did anything good for LGBTQA+ people. She didnt adress what the Trumpettes are doing at the Grammies either....
There's "evil"-thru-the-lens-of-cynicism and there's inviting-nonhyperbolic-comparison-to-Hitler EVIL. If those are equivalent to you, it's not because you're intellectually evolved; it's because you're #privileged
Sep 11, 2024 — Vice President Kamala Harris said she would continue to work on a two-state solution “around the clock.”
Instead of that, we got trump who wants to forcibly remove all the people of Gaza to somewhere, bulldoze it and turn it into a hotel and casino hotspot for the rich.
While funding genocide, promising to never stop funding genocide, condemning the ICC's actions against Netanyahu, there is no difference on who commits the genocide.
What is meant by “turbo genocide”? Does it mean genocide that happens very quickly? I’m guessing that’s what the turbo part is for but I’m not certain.
I'm mostly being facetious. I see very little difference between Trump's approach and what Harris would've done, but the argument is always "He's worse" and my rebuttal is effectively "MAYBE, but she's still awful".
We've been doing this and look where it got us. Those in power in both parties serve capital over us. The lesser of two evils is still pushing us to the right, just a little slower
People are tired of giving up their values just to be consistently let down. Even when dems controlled it all. Scraps
EXACTLY
They stood by and willing allowed Nazis in their government in some batshit attempt to blackmail an entire government into doing what they want.
The fucking arrogance of Nazi sympathizers has no end.
One slap isn't good enough b/c these people are too retarded to realize that literally EVERY choice in life is a balance between one thing or another. A compromise. But for some reason their choices in POLITICS are somehow supposed to be between pure evil vs perfections?!? Fucken retards.
#BlueMagaCult proved in 2016 that they would rather have Trump than Bernie 🙄🤦♀️
They fight the left harder than Trump, Now you are begging for #AOC to save you? 🙄🤦♀️
You live in a rigged democratic system of 2 parties who ignore the working class in favour of the rich. Whining because they voted for the "wrong one" is still missing the point. Neither side is there for you.
The amount of shitlibs snidely telling me this is my fault, instead of screaming at the elected officials who did nothing to prosecute this asshole for treason, and continue to sit idly by as Musk takes over whatever function of government he choses that day, is frankly insane.
If democrats had had the courage to pressure their dem politicians in the primaries, they'd have stopped arming Israel and we'd have voted for them. But you all were kissing their asses while they were committing genocide and letting them know they could do whatever they want to. And here we are.
I'm sure you'd be much happier with Biden at the helm of the genocide machine. Some people can't bring themselves to endorse it no matter who is committing it. It's called a "principle".
no doubt. democrats are worse than useless and would rather court the right and centrists than the left, but theyre also the only option if you dont want the shitshow we have now, and at least they CAN be moved left if leftists ACTUALLY voted.
The delusion is believing there was ever a non-genocidal option in a country that:
1. Was founded on genocide.
2. Fought to keep slavery when other nations are moving past it.
3. Sat by while tyranny ravages Europe, twice.
4. Codified Islamophobia into our geopolitical policies.
..but who knows? Maybe next election (if there is one) we’ll really get that special President who will buck centuries-old trend and deliver peace in the middle east.
After two years of vetoing resolutions brought by the UN and suppressing any anti-Zionist protest domestically. But thank god for the """ceasefire""" (immediately broken by Israel with no repercussions).
Jebus Christ are you really blaming this on voters..... As God awful as the Democratic party has been and continues to be, I can't blame half the f****** people voting for the other side. Give people two bad shitty choices and it's what you risk.
Well if we're talking about a candidate that's actually good, I'm confident you were not referring to Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. The same two people that watch the Palestinians be murdered for a f****** year and a half or two years (whatever it's been so far).
Grow up. Presidential elections are not the place or time to try and enact systemic change OR use your vote as a weapon. Down ballot elections are where an individual can make the most change. A binary system rigged by electoral college is not.
Not voting for the lesser of two evils is enabling the greater of two evils to win. You are on our side or you are the enemy. It's already that way on the other side maybe we should do unto them as they do unto us.
I get that you know nothing about the country in which you live, but if you feel good about voting for genocide and losing but still getting to see the genocide happen? Well then you should die, honestly
No. The lesser of two evils myth got us into this situation. Do you honestly think it's going to get us out of it? It's a con our criminal government has been playing for decades, and why we still have a two party system.
That's all the choice we ever have, no candidate is perfect. Even many who supported Washington and the Continental Congress did so less because they thought it was the best choice ever and more because the other choice was facing a furious British Empire. They picked the lesser of two evils.
The problem with not voting for the lesser of two evils is that it doesn’t reduce the amount of evil at all, and less evil is always better than more evil.
This was the most productive block party I’ve attended since leaving the other place. Got all kinds of watermelon dipshittery off of my timeline. Huzzah!🎉
The "watermelon dipshittery" being calling for your candidate to not sit by and allow a group of people to be ethnically cleansed from this Earth. Y'all get more creative every day in finding ways to say you're void of values.
Q: Is it scientifically possible for a group of people that was ethnically cleansed in the past to later go on and have leaders in said group of people/demographic promote and carry out genocide and ethnic cleansing of another group of people?
I personally have a hard stance against ALL genocide.
Oh, you're right. She only refused to distance herself from Biden's policy on Palestine/Israel and stated that she would continue to support Israel to the max.
My values stand for everyone; those abroad and those at home. Sorry yours don't.
And uh oh y'all, we have the genocide police over here 🚨
Maybe if these “progressives” stood by their true values rather than ignore the moral depravity that the US was funding and complicit to, then maybe that would have been heard by enough people to pay attn instead of dismissing & gaslighting them.
These “progressives” can’t reconcile why a group would possibly consider not voting for the administration that signed off over & over on billions of aid and bombs to the genocidal lying Zionist govt that will stop at nothing and owns this country. Why would these people possibly feel betrayed?
“Suckered?” Do you really think what Trump said was unfathomable? Do you think Bibi wasn’t going to get his way under Kamala?
Biden was calling for Egypt & Jordan to take in Palestinians since 2023. Kamala would’ve gladly let Bibi continue his carnage. Trump is simply saying the quiet part out loud
We told you to stop being dumbfucks, but you went right on dumbucking, and and now you have someone ACTUALLY doing what you used dumbeckedly accused her of doing.
So continuously voicing your undying support for Israel isn’t supporting genocide? Refusing to support something as simple as an arms embargo isn’t supporting genocide?
Leftists told YOU what to do to actually win votes. Oh wait, you ignored that and pivoted right, to Liz Cheney. How did that go?
Where were you guys when Biden offered the exact same ceasefire proposal in March ‘24, got Israeli cabinet acceptance, and then Bibi, at the behest of a Logan Act violating Trump, publicly refuted to embarrass Biden for political capital. The one Hamas accepted in Sept, and Trump again undermined…
Remember when Harris’s campaign managers went on Pod Save America & admitted that they ALWAYS had polls showing Harris was never going to win? That she had to do *something* to gain support and Harris and them decided to do… nothing?
That’s just 1 example. You don’t “get” to say anything, libtard.
So far, Trump had stopped the genocide that Biden facilitated in Gaza, and demonstrated to the world exactly how easy it would have been for Biden to do the same. I don't think your "I told you so" is the slam dunk you think it is.
Please tell me you are not this fucking stupid. Actually, don’t tell me, I don’t want to entertain the idea that I have to share a planet with people that are this fucking dumb or naive.
If Kamala had won, bombs would still be rained on Gaza at this moment instead of the ceasefire currently in place.
Do you think Netanyahu wasn’t going to get this result eventually? Kamala would’ve giggled her way around any question and done nothing while Trump simply says the quiet part out loud
Just stating the facts mate. I know there's a possibility will restart the carnage, but that is still better than the certainty that Harris would have never stopped it.
Plus you don't seem to recognize that the actual implementation of the ceasefire deal changes the landscape in itself.
The paradox of this is that voting the less of two evils is what got us here.
The right kept going further right to get more fringe votes, the left, specifically the DNC hemorrhaging votes, kept pushing for moderate votes telling us that voting with your heart would only lead to the right winning.
Evil is evil and the reality is, when we have only 2 viable parties in this country. As long as that remains, we will only have evil to vote for and your vote becomes between jumping into the pits of hell or slowly climbing into it.
Detention camps, targeting minorities, excusing genocide, excusing Nazi salutes, celebrating police brutality, excusing it, cebrating isolationism, being okay with corruption on your side, Us v Them mentality is evil. If you need a religion to justify this, please see any as they all condemn it.
Additionally, I ask why you even ask this question unless you're being either willfully ignorant or just plane facetious. The acts I listed are very real and happening right now and are evil by almost anyone's metric.
I am and have been my entire life. I have always voted for prez and my reps. But I have almost no choice in who is placed where because our system is corrupt and there is no accountability. Our 2 party system makes it so only shit gets pushed through and people don't really have any true choice.
The GOP pushes the evil and the Dems don't adress it before it happens even when all the flags are there and even when we've had majorities that had chances at addressing it.
Im saying that one party allowed it to happen through apathy. Roe v. Wade could have been secured if Dems enshrined it in law anytime since that case. If Dems pushed and passed any anti-corruption laws. If Dems voted for privacy or data security laws. If Dems made any strong immigration attempt.
No. You're conflating "evil" with "imperfect," while blithely ignoring there is very much a very real and very vast difference between Harris and Trump. This is just obdurate.
I am NOT saying Trump and Harris are similar, but the policies that Dems are voting for, the politicians they appoint now, they were outspoken against these types heavily not even 20 years ago and seem to be okay with especially now as long as the one thing they want gets passed.
The "imperfect" you refer to has allowed evil to go on in the name of status quos, not rocking the boat, keeping special interests happy and being "not them".
Imperfect is not going after an ex president and criminal because "we don't want to set a precedent". Imperfect is not snubbing politicians because they don't follow your party's status quo. We hate that Trump isn't in prison yet aren't holding the people who could have done that accountable.
Imperfect is getting a speeding tickets. Imperfect is not sending more bombs to a country that is accused of war crimes. Imperfect is not sacrificing free speech to get funding for those bombs. Imperfect is not addressing the still blatantly unconstitutional violations that have been to going on.
Imagine being so indoctrinated that the very people Reps use to be against, policy they use to be adamantly against, that our dads and grandads fought against are seen as good things. Reagan would be seen as a RINO by MAGA. The DNC has openly said they need on fence Rep votes and leaned that way.
People trying to squeeze ideological purity from a vote are also the same people that laugh at electoralism as an idealistic and naive approach to power....All the while trying to elevate the Green Party or other electoral projects doomed to fail.
just gonna add tho.Kamala and the DNC are the reason we lost.They are incompetent and my vote for them is just on lesser evilism.I suggest Dems actually try to get prog non-voters to vote for them instead of hanging with Liz Cheney's bloc and expecting lesserevilism to be a compelling electoral mesg
voting did work though. they rigged it. I think it could be potentially harmful to continue the degradation of uncommitted or genocide protesters or any other thing. I truly believe that everyone did the right thing and they just rigged the votes. all down ballot blues with trump as prez. no way.
There are morons in this nation that actually believe if they choose not to vote the political office will sit vacant.
That's not how the real world works. Someone WILL get the chair, and citizens can either vote for reality of they can vote for self-righteousness. One of these choices always fails.
If you actually cared about the Dems winning, you would have stood ground and had them actually do what would get them elected instead of letting them concede ground to the Republicans and billionaire class.
Yeah just keep voting for capitalism no matter the colour! Paying for healthcare and getting into debt, no matter the colour red or blue all the same here too hen!
When the evil in question is genocide, what kind of monster wouldn't oppose the more option? None would be better, but when none isn't on the table, I will always fight for less suffering and death and against more suffering and death. Obviously.
But you did not vote for less death and suffering. Trump will cause death and suffering here in the U.S. and other places - especially through withdrawal from WHO, defunding USAid and similar organizations, shipping migrants to black sites, etc.
Great. Now step back and set aside the debate club talking points.
At the point where the general election votes were being cast, there were two futures on the table. One with less suffering and death than the other. I chose less.
It really was that simple. Fancy rhetoric doesn't change that.
Great. Nice political theory. Now set the rhetoric aside and focus for just one moment.
At the specific moment of the general election votes being cast, there were two potential futures on the ballot. One had more suffering and death than the other. You chose more because of those excuses.
No. The party periodically loses easy elections because it forgets it serves the voters. Half the voters forgetting that is why the party forgets. You want to win every time? Have solidarity with the most vulnerable citizens and expect the party to have solidarity with YOU, in exchange for votes.
You giving your vote no matter what no strings attached is why the party thinks it can do war without our approval & ignore our poverty & suffering & not do universal health care.
...Old enough to remember when a Party had to EARN your vote...not ignore you, deny your humanity and then say "the other guy is worse..." Not sure why you want to discuss the finer points of shit vs diarrhea...or why you're good with them not fighting now and earning our vote.
Nah, Biden's support of Israel's genocide is evil. Problem is that we don't get to have a "no evil" option, no matter how much people scream about it online.
And, since you seemingly missed the memo: Biden wasn’t running in the 2024 election. So mithering about what he did and didn’t do re: Israel/Gaza is moot.
When the only options are two evils (and in this case that’s arguable, but we’ll leave that to the side for time being), if you don’t vote for the lesser of two evils, you get the greater evil.
How about instead of wasting your energy pretending to have a moral high horse over leftists/pro-Palestine supporters, you spend the time you clearly have on combatting the current administration and all the bad things they're doing? Last I checked, politics don't only exist during election years.
So your activism started and ended at the voting booth? Groundbreaking, really.
Look I hate that Trump was elected too, and Democrats should be rebuilding and getting ready for the 2026 midterms. Instead, I just see them fighting with leftists online and telling everyone that the bad man is…bad.
This is so fucking true. No one likes it, but voting for the lesser evil is necessary in our current political situation. The alternative is what we're facing now.
The time for fixing the system is between elections. Ranked Choice Voting, opposing SuperPACs, primarying safe districts. During elections, it's time to suck it up and use the one imperfect tool we have at our disposal, with full knowledge of its limitations.
Funny that your meme exhibits violence against your closest thing to an ally (that you keep alienating) rather than against the literal Nazis. Let’s focus on the people actually doing the damage shall we?
More people would've voted for Harris if she actually took a stand against the genocide. It likely would've tipped the scales in her favor. It was her campaign to win and she blew it. If you're going to blame anyone, literally blame the people who voted for 47.
Not voting means you voted for the winner, so all these fuckers voted for Trump.
Voting Third Party in the US is just a fancy way of not voting.
So it's all either Harris Voters or Trump Humpers.
That's only applicable to swing states. My vote here in CT was meaningless, so I opted to vote my values and went 3rd party. As expected, we went blue just as we have since '92.
Think it's really time I got more involved with the Working Families Party here. Team blue is rotten.
If you actually want a 3rd Party to ever have a shot, there need to be candidates all over the ballot that are actually invested in representing the party rather than taking a hopeless moonshot at the top every 4 years (while conveniently making large piles of money).
Dems didnt lose because people are frustrated with voting for the lesser of two evils.
Theyre both fascist its a distinction of how cowardly ones actual politicians are. They will not uphold democracy and they proved that by allowing him to even run. Thats what happens when theres only 2. It reduces
yea then they tell us wjhat we want is bomb gaza.TYhey lost their right to tell us what to want. for 40 years they ignored liberals and treated us like crap. THis is our fault for waiting so long
the country cheated to make sure our choice was between two genocidaires, nothing we could have done would stop That. And when yo cant stop the genocide, make sure the genocidaires pays. That's what we did. And believe it or not, you are getting off cheap
😂 Listen to them! They’re STILL trying to defend themselves! The FOTUS/PINO has only been in office for a short time & he’s already BREAKING THE LAW! THIS is what you fools voted for?! THIS is better than what Pres. Biden brought to the table for this country?! Where’s the egg, gas, grocery talk at?
NOWHERE TO BE FOUND! All of a sudden, those topics you all hammered Pres. Biden & Harris about…just DISAPPEARED! Silent! The FOTUS/PINO allows musky to infiltrate our Treasury Dept & you all say nothing! All these illegal activities this fool has done w/ his EOs…crickets! Unbelievable & stupid 🇺🇸 is!
For those of you who are trying to CYA by making some lame ass excuses as to why you didn’t vote for Harris, & we shouldn’t go after you…Go fuck yourselves! YOU ALL are the reasons we are in this constitutional crisis! YOU WILL BE BLAMED FOR 4 LONG YRS! Your stupidity SHOULD BE called out! EVERYDAY!
Blame Pres. Biden & VP Harris for what took place over in Israel & Gaza is about THE dumbest thing ever! Not giving support to our allies would only signal we aren’t reliable as we say we are! I literally HATE the REAL genocidal maniac & criminal netanyahu! You should’ve put your blame w/ HIM ONLY!!
Biden is a self described zionist and literally aided a genocide and has said he would create isreal if it didn't exist. Harris ran on continuing aid for that genocide and helping to expand isreals borders aka commit ethnic cleansings. They are blamed for what they literally did.
And yet there stands Trump and you with the power to stop him, decided to open the door for him instead. Fuck you. You're just as culpable as any redhat.
Seriously. Trump is loving that he got the VBNMW crowd to turn on lefties just as we were finding solidarity to fight him and Musk. He may not be bright, but he is a master at avoiding consequences by his well timed use of distraction.
Yep! I have one of those.. she’s actually never voted.. oh both.. I friggin hate that more then anything.. ignorant lazy stupidity! Pretty much said to her.. then no complaints.. don’t want to hear it !
bruh you guys need to restart your “democracy”, because having only two parties to vote for is such a sham. and let’s not even get started on the electoral college and gerrymandering…
it’s not easy. but acknowledging that the current system doesn’t work is the first step. Breaking out of the “vote for the lesser evil” cycle would be more productive than constantly reproducing it, imo.
Do I look like a political genius to you? lol
Just because I don’t have all the answers, doesn’t mean I can’t criticize a system that is failing us.
But I‘m sure being an asshat and cynically congratulating others over the looming end of democracy will not help either.
the call is coming from inside the house. the democrats cost themselves the election by failing to appeal to working class median voters, among other things. but somehow an immaterial group of voters who abstained is what draws your ire? the democrats always blame EVERYONE except themselves.
It's really fucking weird how Democrats will blame the people they lost. Maybe if Democrats didn't appeal to the right in an attempt to compromise with people who deeply hate them, so many people wouldn't feel so disillusioned. But sure blame them. She lost by like 1.5%. She earned that herself 🤷
"Its non-voters fault"
No, i'm pretty sure it wasn't. Politicians and leaders are meant to serve the people. Especially their voters. If you don't, people won't vote for you and Democrats can't wilfully ignore and fail people, then turn around and blame them.
I don't regret this post for a second. Not when repeatedly given fine examples of why I made it. How tf are moderates going to shit on the left for decades while appealing to the right and then blame the left when their party loses? Ridiculous.
Have some fucking humility and accountability. Jeeez
I'm pretty sure Trump saw how many people were calling him "the lesser of two evils" or "about as bad as Harris" and took personal offense to it. He's been more disruptive in two weeks than she would have been in four years.
I had someone I know crying about Trump, and we were having as good talk right up until I mentioned how mad I was at the "abstainers", at which point they got all defensive.
THEY DIDN'T FUCKING VOTE. 🧐
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Who do you want to fight and how would you see it going?
That should have made the choice pretty obvious.
But I still think it’s shit to shame people for being unwilling to vote for continued genocide.
Yes, Trump is worse. But a kinder, gentler genocide is still genocide.
And there’s something to be said for withholding consent.
Now the Dems want to blame them for the DNC losing ground with minorities, youth and the working class.
We warned you’d lose with those sectors if you didn’t work for them.
Dems taking voters for granted brought this.
That’s who I’m upset with.
and even in the Timeline talk about "well you shoulda stopped the Genocide" when referring to Kamala campaign.
Now leftists like you are saying "well actually we did end up voting".
Workers think having illegal immigration screws up leverage.
You're contradicting yourself here.
Weight Till we get Total Destruction Trump.
We wanted them to stop supporting the genocide for humane reasons.
AND
We also wanted them to stop because we actually care about beating Donald Trump, and losing Michigan and other swing states seems like a bad way to beat him.
Both are true.
The most pro Israel anti-middle east/muslim dude who's ever ran won Michigan because of Gaza?
Is that what you're saying?
Dems lost support from key demos that went to supporting Trump. They lost ground with minorities, workers, youth… For a variety of reasons.
A major one was having a pro genocide stance.
It wasn't immigration and the economy which again were Trumps platforms, at least pew research shows.
My point was something about your vote being your choice for your OPPONENT, if you are a LEFTIST.
People seem to miss that concept and just rub their magic purity lamp.
The progs did predict that abandoning the working class and enabling genocide would cost them with swing voters though.
And then Trump swept all 7 swing states.
Progs showed up, swing voters didn’t.
They continue giving the GOP a much better shot at winning than making sure they win.
The votes are seen as valuable. However, the online left has made non-participation in electoral politics their entire identity. So why would any rational operator try to appeal to such a group for those votes?
And that's a genuine question. Curious to hear your response.
It's increasingly difficult to rationalize voting Dem though. They seem to stand for nothing. Best of luck trying to out-Republican the right I guess.
Like it or not, you are to blame. Learn from it and grow. Next time, if there is one, might be the last time we get to vote.
The person who ran a losing campaign is to blame.
That’s how it works.
Stop blaming voters for candidates failures.
She was not owed a single vote. She did not earn enough votes to win.
Dems really need to internalize this.
Pick a fucking winner next time. No more losers.
https://bsky.app/profile/turkturkleton.bsky.social/post/3lhfdjmuog223
But at least those who didn't still have their principles.
I feel better breaking that rule.
in here.
Hot take But I'd gladly be for a Government policy that pays for these people to leave America to their desired Marxist Utopia in favor of someone from those lands who actually appreciates the things North America has to offer.
a) Actively choose the lesser evil
b) Passively or actively choose the greater evil
If you choose b), you're an asshole.
You can, of course, also vote in primaries and work for instant runoff voting. But now b) has put Nazis in charge, so...
If Batman doesn't punch them in the face, I will.
if you want radical leftist change in america, you better start buying guns.
Its too bad that anti-electoralist leftists don't have a lot of self reflection either.
Is OP hurting leftists or not? Bc if they level the same type of post criticizing rightwingers they wouldn't give a shit bc the right is evil/stupid.
When will you learn
As meaningless as it is it is at least performative.
It's been "4 more years" for decades.
"Hey I know the Dems aren't doing anything about the genocide, but they're slightly better on some other random issues...*checks notes*...like demonising asylum seekers?"
1/2
They stand for absolutely fucking nothing, except whatever their big donors tell them to stand for.
Like demonising student protesting a genocide.
I like Trump for this...just burn it to the fucking ground already
‘Got their news from Tick Tock’ - Didn’t rely on CNN to provide a sanitised version of atrocities.
‘Stupid shit’ - mass murder of children
‘We can’t control’ - apart from Biden provided the weapons.
You wonder why they think people like you are dickheads.
You deserve Trump you turd.
The fact of the matter is that the Democrats have never been "leftists." At best, they have always been moderate right.
Literally it will get nobody anywhere. You’ll just move the goalposts and screech.
Nobody stands by and let’sNazis in their government unless they want Nazis in their government.
The Democrats have learned. You have not.
"Universal suffrage is one of the first and most important tasks" - Karl Marx
But tell me more about how not voting is helpful
I’ve never seen the point in wasting time talking with Fox News people
Dems aren't becoming more and more Heritage Foundation like GOP.
Needs to be said every time.
Kerry was the "lesser of two evils"...
Obama was the "lesser of two evils"...
Hillary was the "lesser of two evils"...
Biden was the "lesser of two evils"...
Kamala was the "lesser of two evils"...
It's all bullshit. NONE OF THEM WERE EVER EVIL AT ALL!!
Genocide Joe was an office when in December 2023 they started advertising waterfront Gaza condos. You’re only paying attention now because it’s TЯ☭mp.
But there are other things.
Usually people who don't bother to vote don't do anything else.
They don’t listen because you traded your voice away.
Spend your limited energy fighting actual nazis instead plz
Cuz it sounds like you're giving up
They sided with NAZI’S to blackmail the American Government into doing what they want.
As if voting works that way.
It doesn’t…and if you will stand aside to let a Nazi in power - YOU ARE A NAZI TOO.
Robin needs to dropkick Batman in this instance.
Instead of that, we got trump who wants to forcibly remove all the people of Gaza to somewhere, bulldoze it and turn it into a hotel and casino hotspot for the rich.
People traditionally vote for change when the current leaders make a mess of it.
In a non-democratic system like the US, the people that wanted change had no choice. The non-democratic system in China works better.
Only option: revolution & start a democracy.
99% of rebellions fail, and the US's military is literally the best on earth and now a fascist is in control of it.
I'm not getting dragged into a doomed rebellion, accelerationists can have fun getting pointlessly shot by fascists.
People are tired of giving up their values just to be consistently let down. Even when dems controlled it all. Scraps
They stood by and willing allowed Nazis in their government in some batshit attempt to blackmail an entire government into doing what they want.
The fucking arrogance of Nazi sympathizers has no end.
Most folks agree with this
Genocide is bad!
Let's be honest about this, most folks think that the Dems shouldn't have backed genocide!
Trump and the Republicans are evil
At the very least
They fight the left harder than Trump, Now you are begging for #AOC to save you? 🙄🤦♀️
Voting is ALWAYS for the lesser of two evils.
There is NEVER all purity and light on either side of any decision.
But alternate with Goodgy.
Man legally changed his name to Literally Anybody Else to run for president
1. Was founded on genocide.
2. Fought to keep slavery when other nations are moving past it.
3. Sat by while tyranny ravages Europe, twice.
4. Codified Islamophobia into our geopolitical policies.
First, there's nothing "evil" about Hillary or Biden or Harris.
Second, if you don't support the "less evil" choice in a binary choice, then you're tacitly enabling the "greater evil" choice.
It's stupid no matter how you slice it.
They call it the USA.
#Trump is no better than #Hammas .
Kamala is.
It's imperfect vs. actual fucking evil.
A rousing ovation for your values as they fuck millions of America’s most vulnerable.
And, wow, so edgy using terms like “genocide” and “ethnic cleansing” against a people who actually faced those things. Neat-o.
You said: "...so edgy using terms like "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" against a people who actually faced those things."
I have a question about that in my next post...
I personally have a hard stance against ALL genocide.
English is a precise language. Words have meaning.
The use of those words in this instance is factually incorrect, often intended to provoke an emotional response and/or appear edgy. Or just stupid.
My values stand for everyone; those abroad and those at home. Sorry yours don't.
And uh oh y'all, we have the genocide police over here 🚨
And it feels great to have a righteous cause.
But you and the 🍉 got straight up suckered. Played by the Bibi fiddler. Now you’re gonna really see genocide.
Hope you learned something.
Biden was calling for Egypt & Jordan to take in Palestinians since 2023. Kamala would’ve gladly let Bibi continue his carnage. Trump is simply saying the quiet part out loud
Take your moral dilemma and shove it up your ass.
This shit was going to happen either way. You just chose to ignore it when democrats were doing it.
Blaming people whose families are being killed with American weapons isn’t the flex you think it is. It IS a massive dunk on the Democratic Party tho.
And if you forgot, those $15 eggs and neighbors getting “hauled off” will apply to you too.
We told you to stop being dumbfucks, but you went right on dumbucking, and and now you have someone ACTUALLY doing what you used dumbeckedly accused her of doing.
Leftists told YOU what to do to actually win votes. Oh wait, you ignored that and pivoted right, to Liz Cheney. How did that go?
Especially not while continuing to send billions in weaponry and aid to the people committing genocide.
That’s why the demand was for an arms embargo and/or PERMANENT ceasefire.
That’s just 1 example. You don’t “get” to say anything, libtard.
Do you think Netanyahu wasn’t going to get this result eventually? Kamala would’ve giggled her way around any question and done nothing while Trump simply says the quiet part out loud
Plus you don't seem to recognize that the actual implementation of the ceasefire deal changes the landscape in itself.
The right kept going further right to get more fringe votes, the left, specifically the DNC hemorrhaging votes, kept pushing for moderate votes telling us that voting with your heart would only lead to the right winning.
Youre lost beyond comprehension.
Only one is.
Way more stable than the far left.
All Harris had to do was shift her position to reflect the people.
With regard to winning elections?yeah,unfortunately.
Not keep your enemy in
power.
That's not how the real world works. Someone WILL get the chair, and citizens can either vote for reality of they can vote for self-righteousness. One of these choices always fails.
They wanted the “better” team to take the politically easy step of backing an arms embargo that was supported by a majority of the country.
Harris chose to continue sending weapons because she “didn’t need those votes”
At the point where the general election votes were being cast, there were two futures on the table. One with less suffering and death than the other. I chose less.
It really was that simple. Fancy rhetoric doesn't change that.
Decades of voting for them when they ignore the needs (and demands) of voters is how we got into this mess.
Don’t blame voters. Blame the party that has failed people for decades.
At the specific moment of the general election votes being cast, there were two potential futures on the ballot. One had more suffering and death than the other. You chose more because of those excuses.
Why tf would we keep doing the same thing when everything keeps getting worse?
Maybe if folks like you demanded better, we wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with. You enable Dems to do nothing
Period.
Yes, I know it’s bitter to vote for the imperfect. Tell me about it. I’ve had to do that every time I vote (>50yrs).
Which is unforgivable.
Look I hate that Trump was elected too, and Democrats should be rebuilding and getting ready for the 2026 midterms. Instead, I just see them fighting with leftists online and telling everyone that the bad man is…bad.
People - this conversation is stupid.
Harris lost because she didn’t win.
She ran a poor campaign and focused on right wing voters.
Let it go.
And listen to progs next time.
that's who all politicians should pander to. /s
tell me you're a naive 20 something without telling me you're a naive 20 something.
Progressive populist policies are widely popular across the electorate and are winning issues.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/m...
The DNC has lost 2 out of 3 rounds against most cartoonish villain to ever live.
Warhawk Hilary lost campaigning to the right.
Biden won claiming he’d be the most progressive president ever.
Harris lost talking about her Glock & holding hands with Liz Cheney.
Do the math.
Biden won not because of anything he promised, but because he wasn't the guy who crashed the economy.
What's not managable is the far left demanding exact purity in every incumbent race.
I mean. If that’s a purity test to high we just need more parties. Cuz we should have one that’s on the left.
Maybe in north korea where you live. But absolutely not here. Lol
Go on youtube and watch some youtbe campaign videos. Trump wasnt attvkaing kamala for being right wing. Lol
So much for the intellectual left.
Like if someone said it’s raining cats and dogs would you be like “Whoa! That’s crazy!”
Anyway, I’ve done the math, but it seems like you’re saying you can’t because your head in your ass.
Do you need help?
I'm a "let's shoot Musk in the face with a Glock" leftist.
We are not the same, and you will be thanking us for having Glocks before the end.
I never said I opposed an armed militant left or that I’m not apart of it.
I will say if you’re out here defending Kamala and Biden, you ain’t a part of it tho.
My critique of her Glock comments is that it’s clearly bad messaging and campaigning to conservatives who se couldn’t win.
I often make a similar remark to you about the right being surprised by the armed left.
But that’s literally a different conversation. I’m talking about electoral politics and messaging.
The inability of morons like you to grasp nuance is why "she didn't win."
Why? One reason only.
To appeal to right wing voters that were never going to vote Dem.
He did knowingly enable a genocide. If you wanna defend it defend it. But we’re calling it what it is.
You’re saying “how can you let others choose for you, choose what I want!”
The dems do not and did not draw a strong enough distinction from them and the GOP and they been sowing this defeat for decades.
Voting Third Party in the US is just a fancy way of not voting.
So it's all either Harris Voters or Trump Humpers.
Think it's really time I got more involved with the Working Families Party here. Team blue is rotten.
Theyre both fascist its a distinction of how cowardly ones actual politicians are. They will not uphold democracy and they proved that by allowing him to even run. Thats what happens when theres only 2. It reduces
I'm not even saying I agreed 100% with Biden but I...
1 Knew the election hamstrung Biden & gave Bibi leverage
2 Believed Harris genuinely would help Palestinians WHILE supporting Israel
2. Lol no.
3. But they wouldn't be doing *THIS*.
The point for voting For the democrats isn't because you want to bestest friends and you beleive in them
It was to keep the ability to primary and remove establish democrats for people who will actually do shit we want.
While democrats pointed at the stock market and told struggling families that the economy is great.
The percentage of folks who chose NOT to vote
A greater number of folks than those who voted for either mangomussolini or Harris-Walz
🤬🤬🤬
Again, besides "this sucks," do you have any plan to "restart [our] democracy"?
Just because I don’t have all the answers, doesn’t mean I can’t criticize a system that is failing us.
But I‘m sure being an asshat and cynically congratulating others over the looming end of democracy will not help either.
No, i'm pretty sure it wasn't. Politicians and leaders are meant to serve the people. Especially their voters. If you don't, people won't vote for you and Democrats can't wilfully ignore and fail people, then turn around and blame them.
Have some fucking humility and accountability. Jeeez
THEY DIDN'T FUCKING VOTE. 🧐
Notice how rarely American liberals will openly admit that their leaders are evil genocidal monsters?
I wonder if a continual refusal to call out evil could have any long term negative effects.
You sure did. With an extra helping of dictatorship and hatred.