Great conversations on this thread. Appreciate the dialogue and civility. Haven’t had to block too many idiots.
Please note, I’m not suggesting any book be censored. Ever. I’m just wary of a society so quick to lionize someone who’s mentally ill and admires folks like Hitler, Musk, Thiel & Kazinsky
That’s why I never jump on these kinds of bandwagons. It’s always a slippery slope. Like, I get it, but people are being just a little extra about it, like kids trying to be “cool” in middle school. Seems a bit performative.
I think it's likely more catharsis than performative tho? The masses feel powerless against corporate forces and this event has, for a moment at least, subverted that dynamic.
It’s after losing so much and watching the people we elected and entrusted to hold people accountable for their crimes did nothing, and now they’re preemptively bending the knee, so people are just grateful to see somebody do something. Anything. People are desperate for a hero.
I think we have to stop working backwards to say if someone committed an act we find heinous, they were mentally ill. That's not how mental illness is defined and it's not how it works. What is his diagnosis besides 'well obviously... '?
I told someone (a white male leftist) on tiktok that they need to have a plan to protect marginalized groups and he was like, "we'll deal with you and me later, this is about us" which tells me all I need to know
I don't see how Mein Kampf isn't a good read seeing as how it's from the POV of one of the worst Humans in recorded history.
Also he's a terrorist. If you're claiming any terrorist you got a problem.
Maybe he's just a bad guy that killed another bad guy.
Point blank, End o story.
Was swinging for Emmeline Pankhurst and the Suffragettes' civil disobedience tactics actually, but I'm sure Ace Hunter would give it double finger guns too.
He pointed a light at a huge problem in our healthcare system, but he's not a hero. The same thing could've been accomplished in a non-violent way. We desperately need a serious nationwide conversation about our failing health care system & the fact that ceo's are making $$$$ while people die.
For a start, we need to petition our congressmen/women & senators to begin to take this issue seriously. Congress only cares if they think it might cost them votes. Let them know that we're looking at electing people who take universal healthcare seriously.
Just curious if either of you spend half as much time posting about the people who have died because of this CEO and his desire for money. Endless endless endless sympathy for this guy but literally zero for the thousands he has ordered to be killed. Rich white people are not more human.
I’m a little new to Bluesky, was that meant to be directed at me? I oppose murder. At the same time, I’m surprised it hasn’t happened more. The French Revolution happened for less, and we have more guns.
I think getting caught may have been part of his play...the 2nd act, to be precise. Act1 was the killing. And now he's assured of having a big audience for act3, the trial. No it doesn't excuse murder, but...
I agree, however I do just want to say that just because someone has read something they don’t necessarily believe it. I’ve read the Bible cover to cover, yet I am not Christian.
Again, not saying that he did or didn’t read it/ agree with it or whatever, just as a rule of thumb read ≠ agrees with
There’s nothing wrong with learning how a dictator’s mind works just before a dictatorship happens. America is overly concerned about being exposed to the wrong information. Pretty ironic for the champions of free speech. But I get it; low capacity for critical thought in us, the barely-holding-on.
Knew this was going to happen. MAGA's are going to be divided on this, poor MAGA's will love him, rich ones will hate him. *But the rich ones are in charge...
I'm sure by now, someone has said something like this, but isn't it a frightening thought to be stigmatized for what is on your reading list? "Mein Kampf" like it or not, is a historical source document. It doesn't have to be on his reading list because he signs off on it.
Yes it’s been mentioned. One doesn’t need to read Hitler’s whiny musings to understand his psychosis but it should be readily available to anyone who wishes to do so. But couple that w him simping over Musk, Thiel, Kazinsky… some serious red flags. Do we really need to exalt him as a folk hero?
This reply has you sounding mad ignorant. You should be encouraging people to dig deep. That’s like saying you understand psychosis just as well as a psychiatrist because it was apparent and obvious (or so it would seem) what was happening at the surface level. I’m saying this as a socialist
The real-life folk heroes that we already have weren't perfect either. Like Gandhi said some pretty heinous stuff about black people. And Bonnie and Clyde were awful bank robbers who brought a 15 year old boy along, and he inevitably got shot. At least Luigi was worried about innocent bystanders.
I’ve never read Mein Kampf but I would hesitate to judge someone just because they have. It’s a historical document written by one of (if not the) most evil men in history. I can understand the curiosity that would lead someone to try it. That said, it’s reputation is “boring and poorly written”.
That’s the point. They are rewriting the script. Controlling the narrative. The media and police are known to lie. Everything should be viewed with equal skepticism. We don’t know if he even had anything to do with it or is a scapegoat. They write him up like a rwnj so the left drop it.
Some of us don’t treat it as a site to advertise the sort of person we are as much as a place where we literally just track what we have read and what we want to read.
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This is a lib take if I've ever seen one. Reading Mein Kampf does not make you a nazi, actually. Guy is a hero to everyone who got the remuneration and coverage they deserved after he aced the CEO
Yes, and have. My friends know me. They love me. They respect me. And they understand what my recommendation of a work like that means. It’s a book, not the Boogeyman.
I think you just like the idea of poor people getting fucked over because it's cleaner than a guy using a gun. More "ethical" in the neoliberal civility-brain way
You don’t know me for shit so that’s a big assumption. I think the entire healthcare system needs to be nuked. Some rando psycho killing one CEO ain’t gonna get it done. Perhaps the contrary. But yeah, makes for great theater.
This is what "nuking" the system looks like, bud. You don't get to pick and choose who stands up, you just applaud those that do. otherwise, you're no better than the old person who ratted him out yesterday
This whole thing is really showing how many people who claim to want social change seem to think it works like a fantasy novel for kids, where all the heroes are always virtuous and the people who overthrow the bad guys have never done anything wrong
Maybe not, but the entire country is reacting to it, people on both the left and the right are cheering this on because we've all felt how bad these people have been fucking us over, and if anything's going to spur the rest of us into action, this seems like a pretty damn good catalyst
Nice strawman. I actually would if they wanted to understand why Hitler was insane, as well as a whiney bitch baby. Otherwise, it isn't really worth the time
Yes, absolutely. You need to recognize crazy when you see it/ hear it, so you can then take action to suppress it or outright stamp it out. Hitler was a whiny, self involved wanker, and wrote about it. It means we can now recognize modern equivalents and remove them. I want friends to know too.
Funny, we just had a whiny, self involved wanker whose flaws and crimes and ruling class vision are more documented than any single shitty book or painting and he’s going to be president. Again.
Are you expecting an argument about Trump from me? Cause if you are, you’re gonna be disappointed.
But your statement won’t change my mind about learning about bad people to combat them.
Sometimes you do have to study even the ugly parts of history to understand your world. If he worshiped it, one thing. If he was studying for understand, different animal.
Yes, actually he is.
Care to give us your ideas as to how to stop these vampiric companies from continuing to suction money out of everyone’s pockets then dismiss their necessary medical claims? Or should life just continue merrily along as is?
He def is no hero. He's just another entitled POS with a hair across his ass & a weapon. But I will shed zero tears over a monster being taken out. And I will not be reprimanded by comfortable chumps telling the rest of us to be civil when they're not the ones grabbing their ankles. How dare you.
So you act like this in the real world when people express moderate opinions? I really hope not, my friends would find it exhausting if I went around yelling "how dare you".
And, yes, I am exhausting. Most of my discussions end with the other party saying I should have been a lawyer and exiting. As long as the other person is lobbing, I'll volley.
Honestly, I respect your passion but to me, this random internet person just said *they* weren't ready to make a folk hero out of this guy. It didn't seem inflammatory or pushy to me, that's all. It really doesn't feel like they're telling you how to feel.
I don't have an issue with people saying 'they' think all homicide is wrong. I have an issue with them telling everyone that should be their view. It's like preaching to someone all theft is bad and that someone knows they don't steal, they don't eat. Do we need to bring 'check your privilege' back?
As others have pointed out, just because you read something doesn't mean you agree with it.
Also, actions speak louder than words. What happened united the working class in a way that the US hasn't seen since the 99% protests in 08-09. And even that was partisan, to a degree
you can read things and disagree with them. Reading is never a bad thing, it’s the takeaway that matters. You can/should judge the people who’d give it five stars, but not people who just took the effort of educating themselves (and the book is so unbelievably bad it really is an effort).
Whether or not the guy was mentally ill or a closet Nazi, he had one specific grievance that we all share. The reality is that the image of a CEO with so much blood on his hands now laying in a pool of his own blood reads like justice to a lot of people.
I’ve read it. Doesn’t mean I agreed with it. I read everything. Know thine enemy and all that. Don’t assume because someone read a book that they’re a fan. Truth is we know very little about him at the moment.
This is (one reason) we’re losing the class war. It’s not what you do that counts, but what media you consume and who you like. Which is so utterly backwards I don’t even know where to begin.
This guy literally struck a major blow in the class war and you’re worried about his reading list.
Did he though? Are people storming the Bastille? Seems like everyone is on their keyboard fawning over him and his abs. Dude is sick and simps for guys like Musi, Thiel and Kazinski. He did this for him, not the working man. Fuck the parasitic insurance companies but don’t worships psychos. Not hard
If we want to pretend we need to keep being civil, let's remember who helped destroy the concept altogether in politics, the guy who is picking an army of three cabbages in suits to run government.
Agreed. My father made sure we experienced Dachau, when we were stationed in Germany, in the 1970’s. I have a copy of the book you mention. Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. The Orange one’s plan is laid out closely in that book, and in Machiavelli’s “The Prince”. So sad.
It would be interesting to see the opinions of percentage of men vs women.
(I agree with you, but the whole story, while sad, has been kind of a fun distraction.)
I don't think he is a folk hero. Conversely- I have no empathy for the CEO. Neither imo are people I'd waste empathy on (and I am literally an empath).
If Mein Kampf, or at least the cliff notes, was required reading in American schools, at, high level, I doubt the country would have elected a wannabe fascist as it's next president. Just a thought.
We're witnessing a result of the way the US treats a person. Left/right/center doesn't factor in. He was driven to murder by something most would acknowledge as an exploitative system of evil. His ideology isn't super relevant.
He probably has a lot of reasons in his head that don't comport with reality. That doesn't change the fact that it was reality which drove him to commit the act.
Oh yes, my wife needed surgery and was on my UHC insurance from work.
The doctor pushed for the surgery, denied, we appealed, denied, we had the doc draft a letter, engaged a Lawyer to get the BENEFITS we had paid for...yeah, I can related to anger that some would take to violence. HC Needs Rules.
Ironically, small chains like the Mangione's are being gobbled up by private equity and larger chains, and by every standard when that happens, care dramatically worsens. Small family owned aged care centers are by every standard better for the residents. https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/when-private-equity-takes-over-a-nursing-home
He explains this in his manifesto. United Healthcare is the largest by market cap. That's why he targeted him. He was doing this because he believed that politicians are not taking care of the problem.
Exactly. The oligarchs are worried we’ll finally come together and look up to see their greedy asses are responsible for this American shitshow. It’s not right or left that’s the problem — it’s up.
Weird how they're posting so many pictures of him from his cell, or otherwise in custody. I don't remember that for Rittenhouse or the subway strangler who just got released.
Like Dylan Roof, THOSE guys had pictures of them free&happy posted in the news.
Vigilante justice is pretty terrifying, but this guy is making the plutocrats think twice, and has most likely forced Anthem's hand in reversing their anesthesia policy.
A post like this, bashing a reading list, may be just what the ruling class needs to stymie actual grassroots change.
I’m not bashing a reading list, I’m saying it’s a red flag worthy of further investigation before we treat a mentally ill murderer — a guy we’d probably find insufferable prior to a few days ago — like some kind of war hero. The only change I see is people typing. Nobody’s storming the Bastille.
I get it, that title always needs extra scrutiny. I'm not so quick to confuse mental illness with victimhood of the US Healthcare System. He has succeeded in changing the national conversation — something our congress can't even do. The culture war is taking a back seat to the class war, finally.
Finally, indeed, but with authoritarian rule literally breathing down our necks, social unrest and vigilantism only feeds their “justification” for violent crackdowns against dissent. We’re in a precarious time. I’m merely suggesting we choose our heroes carefully and with clear eyes.
I think we should stop looking to heroes altogether. While we can point to the everyday heroes -- nurses, parents, teachers, etc. -- the concept of the hero is most commonly and egregiously used in the savior narrative. We need more collectivism. Rely on institutions more, and heroes less.
Have you read any of the articles about him? From what I’ve read he seemed an affable, approachable, good natured guy. Mein Kampf is a piece of shit, but it’s also an important historical document that provides context around WW2 up to today. Maybe he wanted to have an intellectual discussion?
Watching vids of his outbursts in custody and court today, he is either trying for an insanity defense or is really paranoid. Very angry. This shooting was well planned, not some drug-crazed spree. Taking steps to cover yourself up and escape require planning.
Dude. Just reading a book does not make someone evil, any more than listening to Elton John makes someone gay.
Lots of people, and by lots I mean 'by rights it should be almost everyone' has read books that push the envelope of their reality.
Heh, I know more atheists who have read the Bible cover to cover that Christian’s who have. At least half of those atheists started reading the Bible as believers.
It’s been funny at times, but I feel like we don’t know anything about this guy. People are attaching superhero motives to him without hearing him speak first. Idk it just feels like wayyyy too much.
I think he's a folk hero only in the sense that he's allowing the real shooter to go free and allowing someone else to collect the reward money. I really doubt he's the actual shooter.
He’s no Robin Hood. His family is extremely wealthy. He went to private schools. He’s not the poster child for “I can’t afford my health insurance because they wouldn’t cover my surgery” kind of guy. Mein Kamp and the Unabomber Manifesto are NOT good.
I am reading titles far outside my normal content areas right now. Educating myself on the other point of view. Trying to understand how we got here. We can’t know why he had Mein Kampf in his lineup.
Hitler was definitely not to be admired. There are plenty that apply the same ethnic cleansing/colonization of land without Hitler's industrialized executions. The 19th century conquest of the West is described as there was uninhabited land for the taking. Same for 21st century in the Middle East
Remember that this book was a blueprint for the colonization of Poland, Ukraine and points East by German settlers. It began with the extermination of existing inhabitants.
I'm assuming you're referring to the person who allegedly killed the insurance. I agree, if he did it, he's no hero. Having said that, it's a pity the shooter in PA missed, he would have been a hero. Please reciprocate and fb
Know thine enemy. I've read it as well, and I'm a liberal hippie raised women born and raised in Los Angeles. One should always seek knowledge, especially that which we don't agree with.
Reading Mein Kampf doesn't automatically turn you into a nazi. Plenty of normal have read it simply to get a deeper understanding of what went through his mind and to study it.
Fair point, but I'd argue that putting MK on your Goodreads page counts as a red flag (a read flag lol)
Like, what kind of person advertises on social media that they've read that?
Maybe someone who cares to have an intellectual conversation about the content with one of their friends on Goodreads? It’s self-indulgent tripe, but it’s a very important historical document that provides important context to the 20th century to up to the mess we find ourselves in today.
A broken clock is still right twice a day. Dude might be a rightwing nut but he’s still right about the cost of healthcare and how companies take advantage of and abuse the systems they’ve put in place. Healthcare in the US is insane.
my only enemy is the 1%, not a single other working class person. left and right are distractions, focusing on up and down will actually move us forward
I read Mein Kampf. It sucked shit, and now I am able to more effectively mock and deride fascists. Making no claims that this guy is a hero, but he’s done more to make the powerful scared than anyone else has recently. I’ll take that as a net positive.
Franz Ferdinand via CEO. We need change. We were so close to attaining it. Now the fist is going to tighten, the system will flex and people are going to get angrier.
Oh my sweet summer child, no. Democrats also have zero interest in improving the material conditions of working people. If they did, they wouldn’t lose all the time.
No one who was guillotined during the French Revolution was innocent. Just as now, and as always, the rich people were all corrupt scum. Even those who had started out innocent (Marie-Antionette) became guilty. Power corrupts absolutely.
Would you recommend it as important to understanding fascism as a whole, or do you have any other recommendations that would fit the bill better? I think knowledge is incredibly important.
Honestly, there’s nothing of value to gain from any fascist literature or theory except to truly grasp how incredibly hollow it is as an ideology. It’s honestly does boil down to little more than “I need a big, strong daddy to tell me what do do and protect me and hurt the people who aren’t like me”
As a person who has read On Tyranny and slowly making my way through Male Fantasies Vol. 1, you are definitely right so far.
There's a weird desire to be submissive to men while also wanting to have power while also not wanting to be perceived as gay but also not truly loving their wives.
I think it is fascinating and useful to see into the mind of someone like Hitler. You will find many of the same reasoning and arguments from Hitler being recycled by Putin and Trump, although I think Hitler was more intelligent and capable than the latter two who learned from him, thankfully.
You know what's crazy? I'm not so sure Hitler was very bright either. I think he was a passionately wrong idiot surrounded by more vicious but capable idiots that not only agreed with him, but could actualize, materialize, and submit to whatever he wanted.
I'm extremely concerned with how people care more about thirsting vs genuine politics. It's gross as hell how quick folks will throw away morals for someone they don't even know
I think he represents something to us (justice, retribution, end-of-powerlessness, etc) and that is what the folk hero part is about. But what he represents isn’t necessarily who he is, and I think that’s pretty normal to have that discrepancy between real vs symbolism when it comes to folk heroes.
The justice department will address his crime. Who will address the insurance companies crimes? If the answer is no one I assure you this won’t be the last we hear of this craziness
I don't agree with what he did. I can understand why he felt the need to. We don't matter to the rich and powerful. We are pawns to line their greedy pockets. Nothing more.
You stated that there was a rule. I would like to see the text of said rule before I self determine my level of sucking. I would hate to be inaccurate.
Just a point of clarification, you didn't mention in your original post that he listed it as a favorite. However, I agree that claiming it as a favorite is definitely a concern.
I’ve read Mein Kampf…. I’m also a ‘woke libtard’… I read it because despite being a disgusting and evil man, Hitler, was also a political genius…. It IS a good read as long as you don’t buy into any of the bigotry.
There's been a lot of claims about this guy and very little evidence backing it up. But of course a headline will make more of a splash than the retraction ever will.
That’s the thing about folk heroes, they happen without your express permission. Reading a book doesn’t require one to agree with its contents. I read the fountainhead and I still have free will and critical thinking skills to decide for myself, it is garbage.
I own some books by Lenin, Marx, and Engels but I’m not really a communist or whatever. I only really got them to understand what they were saying. Idk if I’d buy mein kampf but 🤷
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Truthfully, every one should read Mien Kamfp. It was required reading in a philosophy class I took. Never a bad thing to understand how your enemy thinks.
I settled for reading a few Hitler bios as part of a high school 1 semester psychology class. We were tasked with psychoanalyzing someone famous based on their biographies; using freudian methods.
We made up for it next semester with Ancient Civ.
We spent half of the class watching NBCs The Odyssey from the 90s. Every once in a while the teacher would hit pause and give a blurb about which deity or demigod he just met.
Just because it was on his book list doesn’t mean that he’s a fan or in any way subscribed to the insane nonsense in that atrocious screed. I mean it’s not like he kept a copy of Hitler’s collected speeches called “My New Order” in a cabinet by his bedside or anything...
I think people should read it to identify when people they know start becoming like it. It's an important historical book. The literary work of the biggest human monster of the 20th century. You want to understand evil, you read Mein Kampf.
As a historian, one who has often focussed on the rise of fascism, I have read Mein Kampf. I’m not a Nazi. I’ve also read the Bible, and I’m not Christian. The Quran, and I’m not Muslim. People can read things and still have their own ideas.
We can still be a little happy that CEOs are finally scared. Even more so now that they aren't sure which side to be scared of. BOO it could be anybody, better never sleep again Mr. CEO
I don’t mind billionaires being uncomfortable but I’d rather them pay taxes than get execution the streets, and if they’re criminals, be beholden to the same laws as the rest of us.
I think most of us prefer it that way too.... but clearly that isn't happening. They aren't being treated the same by the law or the police.... so what option does it give people? To just watch them continue to hurt poor people?
3M short of a better future. America made it's choice, and now there will be people who feel completely hopeless. And hopeless breeds desperation. This murder looks like an act of desperation to me.
100% and we’ve spent the last 4 years watching our politicians and institutions fail to protect us. People we looked up to. People we chose. Perhaps people are just happy to see someone finally do something. Anything. Misguided as worshipping may be.
There's a 0.005% chance they're going to get gunned down OR pay taxes. They're never going to be held accountable for anything. We can enjoy a little schadenfreude as a treat. It's the closest thing to justice we will ever have.
I would like to know a source this claim. I'm trying to find one as I've not seen it said anywhere in the news articles, but the only mentions of this I'm finding are all on twitter and all link back to this sketchy "America First" account's post
I’m convinced some things on his good reads were for shits and giggles. Like having two books written by Steve-O. I don’t think he was a leftist but I do think his good read list contained some meme-fueled hi-jinx
How does one get tech support on here? When I scroll up, the feed speeds up faster than Mario Cart, and I can't read anything. I speed read and can't do it. 🤣
For every post you make about this guy you need to make 10 talking about the atrocities of the health insurance industry. Otherwise you’re just noise looking for attention like the rest of them.
Agreed, but sadly too many use ‘Learn from history’ or ‘You can’t deny history’, as an excuse to glorify the deeds of the terrible, or even lament their demise.
Bro was highly educated and didn’t hesitate to interact with all information to form his opinions and came upon the right conclusion that system is rigged. He gave away a cushy life and money for his beliefs. He is the earnest type of person we don’t deserve.
Don’t assume because some sicko murdered a bad dude that he’s a national hero or gives a shit about anyone but himself. He’s also fond of Musk, Thiel and the Unabomber — and a murderer.
There aren’t any. And if there are, I wasn’t aware of them at the time I supported him, and they don’t matter anyway so I still support him. If he has any bad takes, why, it’s just a Hegelian antithetical which only underlines his true, based beliefs, which I will define.
Some folks may just want to read the book, not because they agree with it, but because of intellectual curiosity.
I have read some Marx and Smith, doesn't mean I'm Marxist or Capitalist.
I’m Jewish and we have a copy of it in the house- I believe my brother had to read it in a college class.
Anyway he may be a loon but he did a folksy heroic thing lol. And Monopoly money!
If he wanted to start the next French Revolution he’s going to be pretty disappointed because nobody is storming the Bastille, they’re just typing and saying he’s hot and a hero. He loves the attention.
Just about every intelligent, person I know who had real interest in history has read Mein Kampf. It doesn’t make you a Nazi, it gives you insight into the mind of the man who conceived it. And he was a crappy writer too!
I own a copy of Mein Kampf. And Man's Search for Meaning. And the Lord of the Flies, Fahrenheit 451, Quran, Bible, Poor Man's James Bons, Anarchist's Cookbook, and many more books for you to judge me by. So which am I? Folk hero or murderer?
This is a bad attitude to have overall. Many people have read Mein Kampf (and other books by unsavoury authors) out of interest or to understand wider context/personalities. Unless they're saying "hell yeah, Hitler was right!", you can't make assumptions based on someone's reading list.
He also has actual books about the holocaust, from a sympathetic perspective, on his goodreads. Tarring someone for reading Mein Kampf, the autobiography of one of the most influential people of the 20th century, is WILD.
Those who fight evil need to study evil, but I would take a very long hard look at anyone who owns mein kampf, the book written by the most evil person in history. As for this guy, he wasn’t an academic.
You don't have to be an academic to read influential books. Judging someone based on the mere presence of a book alone seems like an emotional reaction brought on by discomfort at what the book contains. Harmful Ideas are no threat to those with critical reading skills and a solid moral compass.
I have an original printing of it because I'm only one generation removed German with family members who lived it and know the common folk side of the story well. Yes, learning about these things will only enrich understanding l.
It depends to who. Someone who likes fiction or light reading? No. Someone interested in politics or history or who wants to know what Hitler was smoking? Yes. I'd say it's required reading if you're going to talk with any authority about Nazis (neo or otherwise).
How can you defeat your enemy if you don't even understand how they think? Ignorance protects nobody. Policing people's reading serves precisely no-one. Assuming ideas from bad actors are contagious is a hop, skip, and a jump away from calling for books to be banned. It's not a good look.
Hitler is one of the most researched and documented mentally deranged murderers in history. If Mein Kampf is a desired deep dive, pls read away. Plenty of people have read it and not executed anyone — regardless of whether or not they had it coming — because if we go down that road… as the man says:
Yes! I've been trying to get people to understand, you don't have to LIKE them but you have to TALK to them or you'll never understand why millions of people fell victim to the insane.
(Please note that I am speaking generally about this attitude, and not the specifics regarding any political views the shooter may have. Judge on what people say, not what they read.)
Yes and I am huge fan of what he did the CEO of one the worst and most corrupt and deadly crime orgs on earth. I don’t care what else the guy believed.
there’s a good deal of truth to everything that you just said. if you don’t know where the Rubicon is, you’ll never know when you’ve crossed it. better to learn and understand the enemy then get stabbed in the back.
Learning about your enemy, can also inform you more about your allies because the enemy of your enemy is your friend.. knowledge is power even if the knowledge is dark as long as the person has a solid, moral compass reading a book doesn’t change that.
You are good :). We need to believe that our own cognitive ability is enough to tell the right from wrong. Otherwise the only solution is banning of various uncomfortable opinions. And that’s not the way.
I think if more ppl read it, then maybe they would understand that a lot of the propaganda that’s been spread about Jews came from that book. When you point that out, it makes ppl look at things differently.
I think people are just tired of being ripped off by private insurance companies while their leaders make millions of dollars to sit at country clubs and reject claims. All while we are being told that single payer system is socialism and bad.
I live in one of those socialist hellholes MAGAs like to talk about. The freedom I have from random gun violence, insurrections and crippling debt from maintaining good health is sometimes so oppressive I have to go to the beach to escape it.
I am. If we let the media spin this as “some right-wing nut job who we shouldn’t take seriously” then all the talk about eating the rich meant nothing.
Do you want Bingo to play with you or do you want to be right?
Everyone should be able to read whatever they want. I just worry about society’s rush to praise a mentally ill person who admires psychos like Musk, Thiel, Kazinsky & has an interest in Hitler’s whiny musings. Health insurance companies & their CEOs are shady AF. This isn’t going to change that.
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Please note, I’m not suggesting any book be censored. Ever. I’m just wary of a society so quick to lionize someone who’s mentally ill and admires folks like Hitler, Musk, Thiel & Kazinsky
Also he's a terrorist. If you're claiming any terrorist you got a problem.
Maybe he's just a bad guy that killed another bad guy.
Point blank, End o story.
He killed a civilian to make a political statement.
That's a definition of a terrorist act.
You about to do a somersault or somethin?
And maybe the 2020s.
And I’m so far left I’m almost pink
But you can’t call yourself an independent thinker if you only expose yourself to material that confirms your biases.
Not much into idol-making though 🤔
Howabout just denouncing the guy whos actions show hes got his own”mein Kampf” agenda
more probably he's a patsy and the evidence was planted.
but anything is possible
Again, not saying that he did or didn’t read it/ agree with it or whatever, just as a rule of thumb read ≠ agrees with
Peace and love ❤️
Ever heard KNOW YOUR ENEMY
I have read a lot of books I didn’t agree with , Have you ever watched FOX news? Full of lies but KNOW YOUR ENEMY.
Don’t act like your so special
Pay Attention!
A plan to take
Social Security Medicare
OUR School Systems
OUR whole way of life
Stand up!
What do you think they have planned for you?
Elon says it'll be a great extinction..
I say no doubt
MARCH ON JAN 20, 2025 8am est
IN DC OR YOUR CAPITOL
But your statement won’t change my mind about learning about bad people to combat them.
Care to give us your ideas as to how to stop these vampiric companies from continuing to suction money out of everyone’s pockets then dismiss their necessary medical claims? Or should life just continue merrily along as is?
Why do people like you soap box so much online? Just talk like a real person instead of being indignant over a reasonable opinion.
Did you know Hitler hated the French ?
Trump will deport millions of Christians
who goto church every week
Also, actions speak louder than words. What happened united the working class in a way that the US hasn't seen since the 99% protests in 08-09. And even that was partisan, to a degree
The OG Robin Hood stole from the rich. The giving to the poor got added later on.
This guy literally struck a major blow in the class war and you’re worried about his reading list.
(I agree with you, but the whole story, while sad, has been kind of a fun distraction.)
So far there's no info about him having a claim denied, his family is VERY wealthy, and he doesn't seem to have had United Health insurance.
The doctor pushed for the surgery, denied, we appealed, denied, we had the doc draft a letter, engaged a Lawyer to get the BENEFITS we had paid for...yeah, I can related to anger that some would take to violence. HC Needs Rules.
MSM CEO's dont want to be next.
Like Dylan Roof, THOSE guys had pictures of them free&happy posted in the news.
A post like this, bashing a reading list, may be just what the ruling class needs to stymie actual grassroots change.
Does that make me a paedophile now ?
Always pays to know more about your enemy.
Lots of people, and by lots I mean 'by rights it should be almost everyone' has read books that push the envelope of their reality.
Just hope, for the executives take, what he did doesn't become a Tiktok trend.
Like, what kind of person advertises on social media that they've read that?
It was one of our course books for our degree.
There's a weird desire to be submissive to men while also wanting to have power while also not wanting to be perceived as gay but also not truly loving their wives.
Sir.
He knows how to get away with manipulating people. I think JD Vance will be the same.
If you don't think killing healthcare CEOs is good you suck.
Rule 176: if you don't think it's good when bad people are killed, you suck
#WakeUpAmerica
Of the multitudes reporting on his GR list, none mention this book, which would probably be their headliner.
Hell, the Cliff's Notes give him too much credit.
"A friend told me, he is a great friend, no one has ever seen anything like him ... this friend - THE BEST - knows the best things. Wise. Smart. Person. TV. Man. Woma. TV. Camera. And TV."
I got an A.
We made up for it next semester with Ancient Civ.
We spent half of the class watching NBCs The Odyssey from the 90s. Every once in a while the teacher would hit pause and give a blurb about which deity or demigod he just met.
“My Suffering”. My ass.
Bro was highly educated and didn’t hesitate to interact with all information to form his opinions and came upon the right conclusion that system is rigged. He gave away a cushy life and money for his beliefs. He is the earnest type of person we don’t deserve.
I have read some Marx and Smith, doesn't mean I'm Marxist or Capitalist.
Anyway he may be a loon but he did a folksy heroic thing lol. And Monopoly money!
Make up your mind.
I’ve read many books I disagree with just to try and understand the perspective of people that think differently.
Discouraging people from reading is never the right move.
Do you want Bingo to play with you or do you want to be right?
But I'd read that shit just to be familiar with the enemy's bullshit, and I'm strongly pro-Israel. 🤷 So idk.