“I just wanna say trans people are beautiful. We are never going to stop existing. I’m never gonna stop being trans, a letter on a passport can’t change that, and fuck this administration.”
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......................... she didn't think Trump, a figurehead, would sign off on stuff his shadow government told him to do and said they were going to do???????????????????
Anyone with a trans loved one who wants to join with parents and others fighting back, check out Families United for Trans Rights (FUTR) https://www.ourFUTR.org.
Instead of fighting for a correct gender marker I feel like we should be fighting to remove gender markers altogether. Why are they on there? Why doesn’t matter?
This is a point I've made for decades when data modeling. Whenever someone wants to put a gender or sex attribute in a database I ask, "How and why will this be used?"
holy fuck you're so fucking annoying how can you see something like this and think "nuh uh sheeple, we should be thinking about this performative online brainrot instead"
Get bent. It was just a random thought at the top of my head. If you can’t respect others, take your holier than thou bullshit attitude back to twitter. If you don’t like me, mute me.
"instead of telling the fascists we want our correct gender identification, we should tell them we want to erase gender altogether! that surely must be our priority in this time of absolute grief!"
I was just trying to add to the conversation and you’re the only person who has a major problem. Direct your anger at the actual cruel people who are doing damage, not some random tranny you think is annoying. Or get the fuck out of here.
1. This isn't news this has been happening to trans people for weeks, hunter is just one of the first cases of a famous person getting passport blocked.
2. Your arguments is no different then the thoughts and prayers types, we are allowed to advocate for change in the face of horrible news.
I just engaged in a thread about this on Reddit and the best I could get about gender when traveling in general, is so women aren't risked by men. But one's gender is pretty obvious and there's no reason for it to be on any ID.
I've said this for years. Nobody has ever checked my fanny at border control. Particularly with advances in technology, there's more practical and useful identifiers than gender.
They have no need to check because it's visible on the scanner just blurred for the personal. They absolutely will and do alert if genitals or secondary sex characteristics do not match the sex that was input by the agent because it's technically anomalous.
If there are no labels at all that just makes it easier for eugenicists to pretend queer and trans people never existed in the first place. Labels are uncomfortable but necessary.
With all due respect how can you say this in a time where we're seeing how these legal markers are weaponized against people? Denial of insurance coverage, denial of medical treatment, police detainment, bounties being placed on trans people for using a restroom.
Because it's the truth. Transphobes love to deny the existence of trans people in ancient times for example by saying shit like, "They can't be trans because trans people didn't exist back then." And that's because a lot of history of queerness and transness in the West was
Purposely destroyed by Nazis. Transphobes and eugenicists use that lack of history to their advantage without realizing that other parts of the world have VERY LONG histories of transness and queerness because the Nazis never touched those records.
The existence of trans people is not something evidenced by gender markers on state IDs. In fact that's actually the opposite of what is happening right now. The existence of these markers is actively being used to erase trans people.
Ok...?
This is like telling gay people to f**k off back in to the closest because being seen holding hands in public is being weaponised.
The problem is the attack. Not the weapon.
No, it's definitely not that. Can you explain to me how legal gender markers are good for trans people? Because in my life they've never been anything but an impediment to accessing healthcare and other rights or a means of being outed involuntarily.
It is far less likely and harder to remove gender markers from all ID (note - this would be a global effort) vs continuing to have them editable.
It's a noble ideal, but throwing trans people to the wolves while chasing removal seems cruel.
Tl;dr: Why not both?
Keeping it changeable requires precisely zero effort and can be achieved immediately, while removing it requires the agreement of just about every state on the planet and would take decades if ever.
As for why - women are considered property. Got to know who they belong to 😮💨
There's no other reason for ID to include gender as it's the least helpful feature they could possibly include.
That would be ideal for state ID’s. It might be more complicated with passports cause then you’re dealing with other countries. In that context it’s safer to go with a M or F marker. They should let you choose.
Because passports are considered a primary ID that can be used to verify a person's identification for all sorts of government functions, in red states changing your Birth cert or Driver's license is illegal. Making the passport the only federal-level go-around for trans people in red states.
Yeah but only doctors need to know your sexual organs. We don't need gender on a driver's license either. You only need a marker on birth certificate because that's more medical and your medical records.
I find this really chilling. At first Jewish people were just required to Mark themselves with yellow stars. We see how that turned out. I'm very concerned for lgbtq+ folk.
the purpose these people have to make others think about our genitals all the time is fetishistic. these people are sexual predators, not us! I'd rather not have strangers think about what's in my pants you know?
Passports didn't used to have either. The question is irrelevant. Sex on IDs is only a thing because of previous moral panics.
The real solution is to just remove sex and gender from government documents period. In totality. They only serve the purpose of oppressing trans and intersex folk.
That is the only purpose they serve. Medical records too.
Organ checklists are safer. Assuming organs based on a flawed assumption of sex can get people killed. It almost got me killed in an ER. They assumed I was male because I said I was trans. They gave me a male dose of meds and put me into
they've designed a process to specifically filter for and flag trans people's passports, based on all data available to the govt (to the passport-related offices, at the very least)
Around here, everyone knows who Hunter Schafer is and that she’s trans. In the broader world, hardly anyone has heard of her, much less knows she’s trans. This was no manual process.
It’s been happening to plenty of non-famous trans people. Dread Meadow is correct— they review your past passports when you apply for a new one or a renewal, and if the gender marker has been changed, they’re changing them back.
Amazing how every department, every state every hamlet that's upset Grand Duke Musk is getting rooted, yet they have infinite money to hire the bureaucratic crotch inspectors for this
That's the spirit.
Let's see what happens when she has to cross a border and the officers think she's got a fake passport because what they see in front of them is a woman.
This is SO wrong.
But her comment is SO indicative of the fact that even marginalized groups DID NOT HEED WARNINGS.
#Project2025 laid this plan out in detail.
Why didn’t at-risk people know that?
Trump himself said this numerous times in rallies.
Why didn’t people believe him?
Apparently you didn’t though, if you think a conman who colluded with a hostile foreign government to get in office the first time, and incited an insurrection when he lost reelection, would have won fair and square this time around.
These dipshits will post this vile bullshit and then sit at a Thanksgiving dinner table with their Trump-loving grandparents because “they’re just political differences”.
Trump has somehow perfectly branded himself as a liar, such that everything his followers don't WANT to believe about him, they can say is a joke or whatever.
I had plenty of friends say that project 2025 wasn't really his platform. Then they just shrugged at the 2025 tracker being at 34%
And this is why I wish bluesky didn't have text limits. Because this is SO vital to understand, and I only got to see it cause it was screenshotted elsewhere.
This is amazing, and another notch in fully grasping what they do, how it works, and how to dismantle it
At-risk people did know. We issued most of the warnings. Y'know, the warnings getting ignored. But sure, claim we were the ignorant ones as if we somehow made the difference.
No…but no one gets excused for not paying attention. The idea is that no one is safe and the people who are already so much less safe should maybe be paying closer attention.
and how exactly is this hunter schafer's fault? please, please lay it out for me. lay it out why you think a significant enough number of trans people are to blame for our current political situation to warrant mentioning
She sounds like she was not living in reality. That’s it. Wasn’t talking about literally every trans person. I knew the passport mis-gendering was going to happen. I am not trans.
deeply funny to suggest trans people are paying less attention to the rise of fascism Generally compared to other populations. the demographic understander has logged in
Thank you for opening this fair critique.
I let my incredible frustration at this country get the best of me.
Trans people shouldn’t be blamed for any of this.
I apologize.
Thank you for having the humility to reassess this. My own father blamed me for what is happening to us, saying, "You made your choices and you knew this was a possibility"
I'm still angry: I never did anything to deserve what is happening to me.
On a relate note it's important to keep in mind % of trans people in the US today is similar to % of Germans who were Jewish back in the 1930s, which absolutely explains why Trump and GOP are targeting trans people.
I’m sorry if you saw it that way. I am not criticizing trans people, who are THE most vulnerable among us.
I critique ALL liberal leadership across the board. I’m among those who spent 6 years & $100K’s of money creating media to warn ALL at risk Americans that this was not a joke..from 2020 on. 1/
Your inital comment doesn't say "liberal" or "leadership" it blames "at-risk" people solely. Stop trying to change your meaning after you get called out.
But your initial comment was criticizing the people who didn't try to get out the warning. You're blaming at-risk people for not being informed. Now you've tried to 180 from your initial comment. You tried to have an impact on an election and didn't, and now you're blaming marginalized groups.
There were many of us, not the least of whom were Never Trump ex Republicans. We spelled it out as best we could. But we got ZERO support from Democratic leadership, who shut out all voices outside of their inner circles. 2/
Trans people are certainly not at fault. But why weren’t they being deluged with outreach? Why weren’t Hispanics being aggressively shown the facts of the deportation plans? Harris/Walz tried - but #Project2025 came out in Dec 2023. Media & Dem leadership ignored it. 3/3
WE were the ones trying to convince YOU to do what you are now claiming you actually did. we see you. you did nothing you think you did. we are embarrassed of you
You’re correct. I owe trans people an apology.
In fact, trans people were out in front before anyone else…precisely because y’all knew you were low hanging fruit on the religious right’s hit list.
I owe apologies, but not to the media & those who deliberately obfuscated awareness.
What got me was how shocked she was.
When authoritarians tell you what they plan to do, always believe them.
Even if they fail, they’ll try it & make millions of lives hell in the process.
They lost an election because they were too attached to supporting Israel's genocide and replaced an unpopular incumbent with someone who goes "I won't do anything different then the incumbent".
Well you see they had a responsibility to be perfect in every way in order to be a more viable political block against the fascists since there was no *other* viable opposition to critique.
Sure, they're literally responsible for ALL of the bad, none of the good and have super magic powers that include space lasers and creating storms. I tire of this bullshit.
OK, so again, how is he responsible for THIS ADMINISTRATION and their actions? I don't agree with what he did, but explain, in detail, how he is responsible for Trump and his clown car and their actions? Is he their puppet master? Is this deep state bullshit? Elaborate.
Nah, man. I know what point you’re trying to make and as bad as Biden and Harris were, it’s not the fault of trans people that we are dependent on republicans not being in office to have our healthcare and basic human rights
Speaking of “so wrong,” Black women and LGBT people were the two highest demographics in terms of percent who voted for Kamala. How did *your* demographic do? (Don’t tell me, i already know y’all went less than 50% for Kamala.)
relatively comfortable straight white people get such cognitive dissonance when the bad things start happening closer to home that they put their ignorance and condescension on full display
Her passport was stolen and she therefore had to get a new one. This has nothing to do with heeding warnings. But beyond that, what is the alternative? Not get a passport? Never travel again? We are all going to be faced with living our lives versus cowering in a bunker.
It's one thing to hear the bloated orange talk, because he did a lot more talking during the first term. People didn't realize until now how much he was held back by people with enough common sense and decency, even if they were mostly on his side. 1/
It's a whole other thing now that he's in office for a second time, and people can now see he's serious about what he said he was going to do. Nobody really knows what that feels like until it hits them. This kind of repression has been unprecedented especially for younger people. 2/
I must admit, even I am in shock by how fast this evil administration is moving and how much success they are having, so far anyways. Nobody can believe the absurd will happen, until it does and it's too late. 3/
at this point, even most illogical trans people didn’t vote for Trump because they at least have some semblance of self preservation besides of course your odd ball grifters such as Blaire White, Buck Angel, and Caitlyn Jenner.
do you think I like being a "wedge issue" with minimal legal agency beyond begging representatives who care more about their retirement and their investment portfolio to give a shit about me?
I think you simply enjoy the arrogance of chauvinism and telling people they're stupid.
Who exactly are you criticizing? MAGA voters *wanted this to happen* - chastise them. You think at-risk people aren't scared? You think we didn't do everything we could?
I'm sorry you're frustrated but take it out on someone else.
You should delete this comment and understand that everyone at-risk knew this, probably more than you did. You are experiencing cognitive dissonance because you are a relatively comfortable straight white person who thought this wouldn't happen, when at-risk groups have always experienced it
"I didn't know" isn't true, it's a statement made to relate to those of us who are too busy with 2+ jobs to keep up with project 2025, or were restricted by voter suppression.
she's obviously been kept fully up on project 2025 by her agents prior to Trump's presidency. all celebs are.
Willfull ignorance. Willfull ignorance leads to denial of fact when facts don’t align with what they want to believe. Until it affects them personally.
I mean yes dems are not as bad but when republicans run on "maximum trans harm" and 90% of dems are silent or worse, try to triangulate by finding places they agree (notably, banning youth transition)
but also who is THEY? who is US? this is just smug posturing.
Agree…. no time to be silent, or worse. And the gop warned everyone. I’m not saying the trans community didn’t take it seriously. I’m saying a lot of people didn’t (do I have to be specific? surprised stories/tweets/posts are everywhere).
" I’m never gonna stop being trans..."? Excellent! You do whatever you want with yourself and let others THINK of you whatever they may! The passport gender specification is an attempt at biological certainty more than an ideological statement. In the near future, "YOUR DNA WILL BE YOUR DATA".
The purpose of this administration is to be cruel whenever possible. I’m sorry that the trans community is such a huge target for them. Being cruel to some of the most of vulnerable people seems to be their favorite thing. Heartbreaking and enraging.
How are these policy changes and cuts to jobs, programs, and services affecting you or your colleagues? Let your representatives know here so they can push back (or so they know what you want to get your vote) https://democraticleader.house.gov/shareyourstory
True story: every single trans person I have ever known, and there have been many, have been extremely intelligent. More so than these judgmental, bigoted dumbfucks trying to erase them could ever dream of being. She is stunning and brave. 💜
Scarry is, if they stop travel etc for people who aren't one of their chosen letters! HIV+ people from Europe and other countries were banned for decades to visit the USA till it stopped.
@whipkclark.bsky.social, we need to defend our trans friends. They are being dehumanized by bigots. We need our reps to actually standup and be counted for. Please help good people.
Objectively, this causes more problems from an identification standpoint than it solves. She clearly appears to be female, but if her passport says male, she's going to be pulled aside and made to explain herself at every point of entry ultimately just wasting resources.
That's a feature, not a bug. They WANT an excuse to be able to pull trans people aside, harass, grope and humiliate them - all in the name of 'safety'.
To be fair, the system we have already already does, just look at how criminally low disability benefits, medicare and medicaid coverage are - It's already set up to drive people into poverty and death for the crime of simply being sick, or getting injured.
That's part of a larger issue, and it's different. I'm in Canada as you may have guessed, so I want to be careful about coming across as "talking down" to an American counterpart. I had a neighbour who passed recently. He was living with an American girlfriend. The week before he passed, he was
passing out frequently. He came home early from fishing one Saturday saying he wasn't feeling well, and a couple hours later he was gone from a massive heart attack. The family was naturally furious with his girlfriend because in Canada, you wouldn't think twice to go to emergency after the first
As an L in LGBT, stand with the T side of this community. If we don't stand with them now, as they are attacked on all sides, who will be standing with is when conservatives turn their attention to us next? We unite NOW, or we will never be able to.
It's about this shit stopped. If you transition from birth gender to current gender, then you're not a third what upsets the simpletons in charge, you are a woman, a non child bearing woman.
This is how he just addressed an elected governor - using derogatory - hate speech - against trans women. And this is how she responded. Always stand up to bullies! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE1kGVAySBE
Most of the time British English and American English are the same. Your second sentence, however, shows one of the important differences between us. Here in America we would just say “USA dropped the ball.”
What is really hypocritical is that the white men who are all up in arms about trans kids “mutilating their bodies” to feel like their true selves seem to have no problem paying for women to mutilate their bodies to have bigger boobs and tighter vaginas.
Sure but this belittles the importance of correct documentation and downplays how this is an active health hazard and a physical assault of trans people. It's a forced pink triangle. Simple as that.
Beauty is irrelevant (to be clear). Trans people are under attack. I don't care if they're beautiful or not. Human beings deserve to be treated with respect and dignity irrespective of this bigoted administration OR perceived 'beauty'.
And Nancy Mace is objectively a sentient puddle of living feces.
Good post, they been around forever under different terms and names, every society and language had a name before the standard thier/them existed 800 years ago. It exists everywhere, and yet, in humans it is wrong somehow.
lol, no. This is literally a human concept. We have male and females 'everywhere'. Those we have chosen to call men and women. This, because of the body we are in - not our mental state.
It's a new invention that feminine = woman, and one that is both misogynistic and homophobic.
]Oh yeah, we are just either left over space dust, mutant plant based flesh beings, or left over animal parts. Everything is labelled. The current labels existed since the 20s and became normalised in the 30s. The term Boy/boi is a formal slang term for servant
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Especially the last one.
Comeuppance for these assholes cannot come soon enough.
But, now I do.
Cool.
but sure go off about people being annoying lol
2. Your arguments is no different then the thoughts and prayers types, we are allowed to advocate for change in the face of horrible news.
This is like telling gay people to f**k off back in to the closest because being seen holding hands in public is being weaponised.
The problem is the attack. Not the weapon.
It's a noble ideal, but throwing trans people to the wolves while chasing removal seems cruel.
Tl;dr: Why not both?
There's no other reason for ID to include gender as it's the least helpful feature they could possibly include.
But the whole reason trans people are seen as threatening is that our public existence disrupts the whole system of sexist oppression.
Does the passport list her sex or her gender? That's a difference.
And also: Fuck Trump.
The real solution is to just remove sex and gender from government documents period. In totality. They only serve the purpose of oppressing trans and intersex folk.
Organ checklists are safer. Assuming organs based on a flawed assumption of sex can get people killed. It almost got me killed in an ER. They assumed I was male because I said I was trans. They gave me a male dose of meds and put me into
Medical records don't need sex either. Just go by hormone profiles and organ checklists. Much safer.
I'll never stop being visible and I'll never stop fighting Fascists.
Even then, though, if she ever had one pre-transition they would know the marker was amended via PRISM comparison.
Also she's out and famous, they wouldn't need paperwork to be malicious.
Let's see what happens when she has to cross a border and the officers think she's got a fake passport because what they see in front of them is a woman.
But her comment is SO indicative of the fact that even marginalized groups DID NOT HEED WARNINGS.
#Project2025 laid this plan out in detail.
Why didn’t at-risk people know that?
Trump himself said this numerous times in rallies.
Why didn’t people believe him?
blaming trans people is pretty fucking vile.
Apparently you didn’t though, if you think a conman who colluded with a hostile foreign government to get in office the first time, and incited an insurrection when he lost reelection, would have won fair and square this time around.
4 words, barely, expressing sympathy. The rest dedicated to blaming her for it.
Shut the fuck up.
I had plenty of friends say that project 2025 wasn't really his platform. Then they just shrugged at the 2025 tracker being at 34%
This is amazing, and another notch in fully grasping what they do, how it works, and how to dismantle it
don't be a fucking idiot
Shut the fuck up
Don’t you fucking blame us for our own persecution you fuckhead.
I let my incredible frustration at this country get the best of me.
Trans people shouldn’t be blamed for any of this.
I apologize.
I'm still angry: I never did anything to deserve what is happening to me.
I critique ALL liberal leadership across the board. I’m among those who spent 6 years & $100K’s of money creating media to warn ALL at risk Americans that this was not a joke..from 2020 on. 1/
Why are you so desperate to deflect the blame for Trump's abuse of trans people onto the ones being abused rather than the abuser?
"But her comment is SO indicative of the fact that even marginalized groups DID NOT HEED WARNINGS."
In fact, trans people were out in front before anyone else…precisely because y’all knew you were low hanging fruit on the religious right’s hit list.
I owe apologies, but not to the media & those who deliberately obfuscated awareness.
When authoritarians tell you what they plan to do, always believe them.
Even if they fail, they’ll try it & make millions of lives hell in the process.
I'm sorry, but that's the way you presented it.
*maybe* your intentions were otherwise, but the effect of your messaging is harmful and mean.
You, of all people, should recognize that good intentions don't excuse absolute shit execution.
Did you watch it? She’s trying to warn people.
who didn't know that? You sound ignorant.
trans people knew this was coming, we have sounded the alarm for years, and we were roundly ignored the entire time
Get fucked you ghoul
Go blame your own before coming for the one group that's been actively preparing for this administration for YEARS.
I think you simply enjoy the arrogance of chauvinism and telling people they're stupid.
I'm sorry you're frustrated but take it out on someone else.
she's obviously been kept fully up on project 2025 by her agents prior to Trump's presidency. all celebs are.
but also who is THEY? who is US? this is just smug posturing.
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A simple concept everyone should live by.
Also: MYOB.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE1kGVAySBE
We now have two choices. Live free or kneel to your MAGA king like a slave.
Color? Gender? Race? Immigrant? Rural? Urban? Worker? Boss? Poor? Rich? Red? Blue? Your flag is one of these.
I know which one is mine.
And Nancy Mace is objectively a sentient puddle of living feces.
It's a new invention that feminine = woman, and one that is both misogynistic and homophobic.
Just like the concept, that we now should no longer consider your penis when it comes to guessing your gender/sex.. ;)