not a single one of you griping about babies getting their ears pierced against their will to make them “look pretty”.
What hypocrites 🤣
On here wanting to promote poor health choices and higher infection rates for newborns for the sake of giving you something to rage against. 🤣🙄
First, I most certainly do not believe that babies should get their ears pierced, but if you remove the earrings, the hole grows over. Foreskin does not grow back. Once it’s gone…it’s gone. And your medical knowledge is wildly out of date.
The AAP, AUA, and John Hopkins Hospital all support and recommend the procedure for specific medical and health benefits. These are pretty much the medical trinity of the religion of science and medicine so no my medical education is pretty up to date. ✌️
No, that's weird too, especially doing it to a baby. They cannot even verbally say they want the procedure or not and are put into unnecessary pain the suit the aesthetic tastes of the parents. No thank you to that either!
Unnecessary procedures in babies should be illegal. They should be able to decide when they grow up. Including the surgeries they perfom on babies born intersex.
Bingo. The double standard of these people getting annoyed with hormone blockers but happily giving permission for doctors to "fix" an intersex infant is disgusting.
It does not prevent health issues, just supposedly has less sand stuck in the hood which is only relevant when you are a group of nomads in a desert with questionable cloth choices and rare acess to water.
This makes it seem like circumcision cuts the head of the penis off. It is the foreskin that is cut off. That being said, I don't think that should be done either.
Ah yes. The raging hypocrisy of people who are pro-life.
"Let us force this woman to give birth regardless of the physical/mental harm it may cause to her, and then also immediately forget about the well-being of the child after it has been born. Clearly this is the morally superior stance."
Just like being pro-choice and against infant circumcision is morally consistent, I would argue that being pro-life and supporting forced circumcision is also morally consistent - they don't think the relevant party should get a say
nah as a woman i can say being forced to shit it out would cause irreparable damage to my psyche rather then just aborting it. Maybe ask a woman next time
As do I. I'd be interested to know what women the OP is talking about but the vast majority I've spoken with appreciate having the authority to make the choice for themselves rather than having someone else make it for them.
Do you really think that being forced to give birth to a child you don't want is less harmful than just getting an abortion? You have absolutely zero logic
Absolutely less harmful. No question. No contest. None.
You are on the side of the most selfish, brainwashed people and the women you convince to go through with this will ultimately hate you for encouraging them.
95% of a pool of women who were followed up with said they didn't regret their abortion 5 years later... The only 5% said they regret the circumstances but not the abortion. Try again.
"According to research, men tend to be more susceptible to groupthink than women due to factors like a stronger desire to conform to group norms".... How embarrassing for you....
Wait till you hear about my country, where not only abortions are restricted, but also now there's a tax for women that don't have children (or at least that tax is in the process of being implemented)
Ugh. My condolences. As a self-proclaimed 'ignorant American' foriegn politics are often lost on me. I'm too busy focusing on the fucked up shit happening within my own borders, admittedly. 😓
Seeing how the government of my country keeps adding more restrictions, I can't help but think about the phrase "The closer the collapse of the Empire, the crazier its laws are."
Seems like the US might be heading for said collapse pretty soon too.
Or at least part of me hopes so. Let the Revolution happen already. I might not survive it but at least future generations will have the chance at something better.
I mean it's still a life you are erasing just calling it different is still no solution, yes support for families is important and also care for orphanages, maybe a programm for Women that aren't able to conceive get easier distributions to raise children.
Or...maybe allow a woman to decide for herself whether or not she's willing to carry/raise a child instead of obsessing over whether or not an embryo counts as a living being?
You're welcome to get or not get an abortion as you choose. Don't take that choice away from other people.
A whole back, i was in the waiting room for a follow up consultation with the surgeon, while he was still busy performing a circumcision. The screams I heard that day coming from an infant I’ll never forget in my entire life. Bone-chilling.
I actually managed to convince a Jewish friend not to circumcise his baby. There is plenty of evidence that a baby boy is put into shock that lasts two weeks and which, in my experience, he never gets over. I do a party game where I (correctly) guess whose husband is circumcised and whose is intact
When my first son was born, I remember hearing a baby in the nursery screaming in pain. He was being circumcised. My son was circumcised the day before and I was told he'd be sluggish for several days, which he was. I couldn't allow my 2nd son to go through that.
My mom has a similar story when my older sister was born. She couldn't forget the noise the other baby was making and how nonchalant the doctor was when they explained.
Yes, the neurologist who did the first study I encountered said he'd interviewed hundreds of doctors about the practice and all said, oh, they cry a bit, then fall asleep and they're fine. They were not fine! It must be hard to tell your baby is in shock since it is so new to you at birth.
I assisted with one once when I took time off during college and was working clinical jobs. It was extremely disturbing. There was a board with a baby-shaped carveout into which the child was strapped. The baby registered the reaction of true torture. I got red and drenched in sweat and said “nope.”
Try it! Mind, I have a lot of experience with both kinds, so that may make it a lot easier for me than someone who has been more chaste (I never married).
So, embarrassed to talk about this but… uncircumcised penis’s can grow to where it constricts the penis. So I got my circumcision at 65. The surgeon said that is all he does one day a week it’s that common.
Still, glad I got it later rather than sooner.
True, in 1/100,000 cases. So really, let's wait until it's a problem before doing an unnecessary procedure that does actual harms to our male population. The practice should be abolished.
On another note, I'm starting a religion; all the boys have to have their pinky finger lopped off. Okay?
A nurse told me it occurs in 1/100,000 men. So, we should wait until the problem manifests. I also know a man who has this issue and says his doctor said to forgo a surgery, so he has never had sex (hes 60+ now). Shoulda got a second opinion.
I mean, it def happens. No idea about the prevalence though. And it's actually done with painkillers and local anaesthetic so it's far, far preferable to mutilating a baby
This! I'm missing about 15 square inches of skin that could've been used for bottom surgery. For girls with smaller cocks, that could be the difference between 3 and 5 inches of depth.
This is the perfect meme
I usually have a meme to pay one for taking theirs
It stinks that we don't have enough memes like that .
USA needs to 🛑 assaulting infants on their genitalia
Should be a rape charge!!
I would say that a lot of the sex workers were probably victims of the abrahamic religions.
Abrahamic religions have different names but they're all following the same pedophilic genitalia obsessed God of rape and genocide,it's the same character that whispered in men's ears that they're special
93% of convicted child sex offenders identifies very religious, actively religious.. the Abraham Lincoln religions are one in the same.. built on rape and pedophilia, oppression and slavery.. abrahamic religion is a patriarchal construct as is child rape
I mean, this is kind of a dumb example given the US is a primarily Christian nation, I could point over at Italy and say "100% of all Italian prisoners are Italians...".
Did abrahamic religions are patriarchal constructs, if you read the book it's very clear, dad's having sex with their daughters, fathers selling off their daughters, God given Moses and his army little girls with Hymen's intact.. the god character only loving the man and everybody else our subhuman
I can show you many videos of them explaining on Congress floor, why children at 13-year-olds are ripe and fertile and should be accessible to grown-ups, as they fight to keep it legal for good god-fearing men to be able to rape kids.
Let's not play games
They say it right from their chest,
93% of convicted sex offenders identify as very religious and they specifically have a reason for it, why don't you go look up the study and find out that reason
Conservative Christian lawmakers keep it legal to rape children because of religious liberty
They believe Jesus would want them to
Yes but no. One can choose to be christian but not choose their place of birth.
I agree with you, of course it's statistically mostly christians when the country consists of mostly christians. But I think the point was "if christians follwed their own belief, prisons would be empty".
lol my mother said I was circumcised because it would prevent me from “contracting std’s” and it would be cleaner. Now my body is permanently altered because my parents didn’t want to teach me how to clean myself properly.
What's wild to me is the crowd who freaks out over trans kids (who don't get surgery until 18 anyway) is the same crowd supporting circumcision 9 times out of 10.
Which is it? Should kids' bodies be permanently altered before 18 or not??
I think this is such an insane argument. Did she expect you to be having sex at 2 years old? Why couldn't she have given you the choice when you were old enough? Also, condoms are the only 100% std prevention method
Agreed. Infant circumcision is completely fucked up. As for condoms - though they're still the most effective prevention apart from not having sex - real efficacy (with human error accounted for) varies based on what the infection is. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/do-condoms-protect-against-stds
Whatever, they're still unquestionably better than circumcision as sti prevention, and even if they weren't, it would still be wrong to circumcise a newborn
Circumcision was popularized because a religious nut job John Kellogg, of Kellogg cereal fame thought it would desensitize the penis and make boys less likely to masturbate.
The pain is felt on both sides, or the fetus would not attempt to evade the danger before abortion. Even still, if a gunman shot me in the back of the head, would you say I had no capability of feeling?
This hits home.
After hearing the screams and cries of my first son when he was circumcised I never allowed it to be done to my other boys. It is genital mutilation.
In my humble opinion. (Sorry guys.)
Wasn’t done properly. Appropriate local anesthesia should prevent most discomfort. That said, it is a pretty silly procedure with no significant redeeming value and a high incidence of being done improperly.
30+ years ago in residency they were still teaching that “babies don’t feel pain” or they don’t “process it,” whatever that was supposed to mean. They taught this while we watched babies cry during the procedure. Today we use local anesthesia which completely numbs if done correctly. But still, why?
Retired, so no. I opposed circs during med school, until our son developed infection requiring a circ under general anesth. Less adamant then. Since parents still request them I studied how to reduce risk / trauma (I was taught “babies don’t feel pain,” which is BS.) But really it should go away.
TBF while they did used to say babies can’t feel pain; this was believed across medical science, it was in no way exclusive to circumcision. So while they did used to perform circumcisions with no anesthesia, that was true for ALL procedures on babies. That stopped decades ago.
which other parts you think are nasty have you also cut off so far? I personally am not into feet. And yet I still wouldn't let a doctor chop my child's off.
So Jews are now anti-abortionists?? what else can you blame on them? Well aware that most people will not know that the circumcision you're referring to is a Jewish tradition
Yup because babies definitely don't feel pain during a circumcision and a mother who doesn't want a baby forced to give birth because of abortion not being available
No, there's no science behind it, but beliefs that 'X group can't feel pain/feel less pain' are weirdly common - usually about a group the speaker feels is inferior to them.
I support circumcision. There are a lot of men in the world who will not keep their dicks clean and circumcision prevents them from having chronic Urinary Tract Infection (UTI). It also prevents them from stinking like something died in their pants.
this is a stupid take. aren’t women susceptible to utis, too? do you see doctors chopping off little girls’ vagina lips to prevent that??? seriously, man, be serious.
Circumcision can have benefits like easier hygiene, reduced risks of urinary tract infections and certain sexually transmitted infections, prevention of medical issues like phimosis, and a lower risk of penile cancer. The decision is often based on personal, cultural, or religious preferences.
you’re literally regurgitating the propaganda mindless “doctors” put on the internet. if the baby was born with it, why would you remove it??? especially when the child didn’t give consent. this is the whole point here. circumcision on babies is BARBARIC.
good for you! I wish you had the choice to make that decision yourself. but someone had to do it for you. and that in itself is very wrong. you were a child and some random doctor pulled on your foreskin then shopped it off— prob without any local anesthesia too. that’s very unfortunate.
There have been infant deaths caused by Bris ceremonies because the rabbis officiating passed herpes to the children. A risk pro life “people” delight in imposing.
Religion sure is a strange thing, apart from the body mutilation, the strange clothes, weird eating habits, abusing women and children, and giving your money to men in strange clothes so as they don't have to get real jobs.
I was a Christian when my sons were circumcised. The doctors and nurses at the hospital recommended it when I had them. No ceremony no nothing just a pure medical procedure.
There's a lot of Christians that circumcise their baby boys, at least in the USA. The estimate on World Population Review is about 70% of US males are circumcised.
When I was born the nurses told my mom I had to be circumcised. Mom said no and they called her crazy. Then after she denied them to do so they botched the circumcision of the baby that came after me.
I visited my lovely little newborn nephew every day for quite a few hours while my sister in law slept, he was a gurgling happy little delight. On day 4 he was not. Red faced, screaming, arms flailing. He had been circumcised. SMH, siko parents. So cruel. No one told me, didn't have to, so obvious.
Rightard Logic: My gross misinterpretation of my book of fairytales, that I've never actually read myself, tells me that my misplaced and self-righteous moral outrage justifies me to demand that everyone follows the rules I believe were established by my imaginary friend.
No he occasionally makes comics like this to get people to share them around unknowingly, hoping to hook them into his media and get them agreeing with some of his points before they realize what he is.
There's a handful of them like this. He loses nothing by not being ideologically consistent.
He didn't. He perpetuated the lie that trans kids get HRT when they don't, they get blockers. The two are not the same in any way other than they alter the levels of hormones: one adds, the other reduces. One is not reversible, the other is.
Never mistake this ass as being right except by accident.
Fair enough! I'm trans so this particular talking point has pissed me off whenever it comes up, even from well meaning ppl, because it's allowing the lie to become seen as true, which has now become a platform we get attacked from.
Hans Kristian Graebener of Spring, TX is the ultimate example of a stopped clock being right twice a day. Every single other political opinion they've ever expressed is nauseating, violently wrong fascist garbage, but they happened to be right about cutting. What an asshole.
not just shitty. there are plenty of shitty comics that aren't made by Hans Kristian Graebener from Spring, Texas that are shitty and no one is sharing personal information about those authors.
Hans Kristian Graebner is a neo-nazi who lives in Spring, TX near Houston. He makes a hideously fascist webcomic called Stonetoss (formerly Redpanels). Every so often he'll make a widely acceptable comic for publicity in order to draw new readers into the pipeline, with maybe one dogwhistle in it.
This one might appear to appeal to liberal sensibilities of "oh you don't like this thing but you do that thing, hypocrite" but like most of his comics about circumcision, it's also a covert jab at (((🔯teh🚨jews🔯))).
He is only "right" in this comic because he is a nazi. It might be the right take out of context, but his intention was to be antisemitic, so I don't think he deserves any charitability
Stonetoss is a Nazi comic... He always loves to couch bigotry in a way that goes right over Liberal's heads unless you're well versed in the kinds of dog whistles he uses.
The comic makes it seem as though underage children are undergoing surgeries when they are not.
Mutilation for the sake of cleanliness. Of when older, membership. But a trans youth, with thoughts, words, parents, and Dr's, should let the government decide..
Mutilation (which is what circumcision is) on infants is done for the sake of cleanliness. Or when older, as a symbol of belonging to your group (e.g getting it done as a teen for religious reasons). So it's a widely accepted, if not required procedure and not a choice the child made.
I wonder if people used to be super-scared that cleaning a non-mutilated dick would encourage masturbation or something. :p And of course, they couldn't have that!
I am an advocate for abortion. but I think mutilation and "murder" are on 2 different levels. for anyone who considers an abortion to be harming a living child, this argument wouldn't be very strong.
The point was the hypocrisy. People deciding when a baby can and cannot feel pain, whichever suits their argument better at the moment. While at the same time not caring about the baby's actual well-being whatsoever.
It's weird if that's supposed to be a representation of a Jewish family. Yes, our religion circumcises as a rule, but it is almost entirely pro-choice, as well, believing that the soul enters the body with the first breath.
[I myself am not even slightly religious, but I am still a Jew.]
Not necessarily Jewish, a majority of people in the US (unfortunately) opt to circumcise their male children. It's pushed pretty hard by conservative Christians for religious purposes and a lot of people here believe it's more hygienic despite evidence being dubious at best.
Personally I'm not anti-circumcision, I'm anti routine infant circumcision. Like you want to be circumcised as an adult for whatever reason? Go ahead, you do you. Infants however cannot consent so unless it's a medical *necessity*, please leave baby genitals alone
I am super glad I had it done as an infant. My Dad had it done as a middle-aged man and couldn't hardly walk for a week. as a infant I didn't walk and was already being waited on.
I'd rather not have had it done at all myself. Luckily I had enough skin to use for my vaginoplasty regardless, but its still better to have it for making the clitoral hood.
The Freakin’ Bible says Life begins at the first breath. But, like the Constitution MAGA will change the Bible, too. If god exists, the gonna be pissed!
Some Christianity -- mostly the fundamentalist kind -- indeed places the beginning of life at conception.
But people who pretend an ancient book of poetry, mythology, philosophy, genealogy, and didacticism is literally true & is a prescription for behaviour have something strange about them.
Yep. I grew up in early years around born-again types who thought "life begins at conception," but breathing life into Adam's nostrils is in Judaism when the soul enters the body.
Like I said, I'm not religious at all, but I was subject to various religious environments in my youth.
You would also feel no pain or remember it if it hadn’t happen at all. You’d be glad you weren’t today also. I think the point in the end is that it’s unnecessary.
To be honest I don't think your opinions about the aesthetics are a good enough reason to cut off part of your baby's body in a manner modern medical technology can't replace.
After all, male genitals look like dildos, is that a good enough reason to cut the whole thing off?
It was more a response to the odd blanket statement ‘religion ruins peoples lives’, not an epiphany on my part lol but thanks for the sarcasm anyway 😛 But yeah I believe all are sinners and thank God He made a way possible for us to be saved, because I certainly don’t deserve it.
most religion teach love and tolerance, just because it doesn't include sins and degeneracy, even then we should hate the sin not the sinner, doesn't make it bad
"Hate the sin, love the sinner" is Christians finding an excuse to be hateful and call it love. If you think my love for my wife is inherently sinful, you cannot possibly love me, because you don't respect me.
Lmao, you can't "hate the sin and not the sinner" because that implies that the sinner even cares or believes on the sins you think they're committing, it's just a roundabout way for you people to hate others and be passive aggressive about it.
So two men having consensual loving relations is as bad as a man forcing himself on a child who can’t fight back. Religious people are so smart you guys!
All religions teach division, hatred and are hotbeds for pedophilia. Not one of them teach tolerance. They pretend to but then go and contradict themselves a few paragraphs later.
you can find each of them if you look for it, because its interpretation is inevitably in the hands of men so ultimately it is you who decides what means. It is up to you to listen to the kind words or the hates in between you find
Nothing go so with how it's interpreted. The Bible, the quran, every single religious text calls for violence, calls for hatred and calls for division. Hate everyone who doesn't follow your god. All religions are pedo cults
Agreed. I live in a small rural town with 400 people and like 50 churches it feels like. And these people are anything but loving and tolerant. They stole Kamala signs and bashed the person when she complained. Then when she said she won't do stuff for them anymore they called her petty
You seem so loving and tolerant. You just looking silly making false assumptions. I grew up Christian. I went to church every Sunday. I read the entire Bible. Now you want to be a dick some more? Or show me that fucking love and tolerance?
If the “sins and degeneracy” in question include talking in church or falling in love then that’s fucking ridiculous. Not to mention how stupid that “hate the sin love the sinner” bullshit is. Saying “I don’t hate gay people, I just hate when people are gay” isn’t any less hateful.
Don't mistake me I'll probably hate you if you are one of those coupled with other attributes that come with it, what I'm saying is my religion doesn't have to tell me that even though most claim that and that is a sin on my part. you are supposed to follow the teaching not the followers actions
You’re literally admitting to hating gay people and then claiming that religion is love. Okay. Those permanent scars from being beat with a belt every day as a kid on the back of my thighs because the Bible says it’s good to beat your kids beg to differ.
Don't try to make it a gotcha, I told you I'm a follower and a human I'm not perfect, far from it, so don't follow me. But ultimately you are including your interpretation as a truth of the matter, clearly no bible says beat your child sensless as you try saying it
You're saying that multiple wars have been fought, hundreds of thousands tortured & murdered and countless terrorist attacks have occurred throughout history due to love & tolerance?
Hate is not as strong as love. Any ways religion is not the most crucial part of human suffering through out history, it is for some but for the most part it was the cover not the core part
Religion has always been the problem. Humans have always twisted spiritual teachings into organized religions & 'religious' beliefs so far removed from the original teachings that it's laughable.
if you don't think it's been central to human suffering, I suggest you hit some history books.
it was people using religion to do those things. only around 7% of recorded wars throughout history are considered to be primarily motivated by religious reasons, meaning that religion is not the cause of the majority of wars; the figure is closer to 7%
"Most religion teach love and tolerance"
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Most religion use love and tolerance as a defence against their atrocities.
"Those weren't TRUE Christians" every time y'all do something evil, which is regularly.
When my daughter was born had she been a boy there would’ve been a battle with the hospital staff. The nurses were lining up to fight me because I wasn’t going to allow a circumcision. I was amazed at the passion on the other side that wanted to circumcise. Young parents, be prepared for that.
i hadn't checked out this project for a good few years until a couple months ago, when it seemed they were making no progress. i'm actually so glad to hear they're moving on to human clinical trials now.
an infant doesn’t have the cognitive faculties to grant consent, so in my view it’s unethical to circumcise that infant until he is old enough to consent (which i guess would be 18)
I totally agree, it’s unethical, painful sexual mutilation of the infant male.😱
Every man is born with a natural turtleneck, it protects the sensitive Glans and Meatus, it should be left intact.
If he wants to take off his turtleneck as an adult, that’s his body his choice IMO!
Anything that isn't an informed yes from a consenting adult is a no. There is no neutral state. This is obvious when it comes to parents having sex with their infant children, why is it so hard to comprehend when it comes to genital mutilation?
It isn't about denying consent, it's about not granting it. Consent is not denied, it is granted. Otherwise it's an automatic no. Not saying anything at all is still nonconsent.
Think of it like an "I consent" checkbox. If you do not check the box, you have not consented. Period. Think of it like a contract. You have to actively sign something to legally access what you're signing. An empty checkbox or an unsigned line is not consent or permission.
Yes I get it. Unfortunately not many new parents consider this and so many western males are circumscised or mutilated depending on your stance.
Personally I see it as mutilation.
It's absolutely, definitively, objectively mutilation. Which isn't always a bad thing, as it is fine if someone fully consents to it. And some do, some people do get circumcized by choice and that's perfectly okay, that's their choice!
If there is an abdominal surgery, they remove the appendix. At one point in time, children were methodically scheduled for tonsillectomy, but parents have learned to actually finish up the antibiotics.
Exactly. The used to remove tonsils for “preventative” reasons, but now they treat tonsillitis because that’s the sane thing to do
And appendices aren’t removed unless there’s a medical reason
Yet, people cut up perfectly healthy dicks for “preventative” or religious reasons. Not a medical reason
This is an unsubstantiated barbaric religious belief to remove the foreskin which contains thousands of sensory nerves which increase pleasurable experience. A common inadequate explanation for doing it is for hygiene, cleanliness.
from World Population Review: “The United States has some of the highest STD rates in the developed world”. i’m from new zealand, we don’t even get a mention on the list https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/std-rates-by-country. the biggest contributor is lack of access to condoms and other prophylactics
These same people are against hormone blockers and any reassignment surgery. They also favor breast enhancements and other alterations that are purely cosmetic in nature.
When we debated to do it or not with our son, we did the research. Keep in mind that skin IS an organ of the body. Plus the relative size of what is cut off to the size of the penis at that age, it’s like 1/3 of that organ being surgically removed. For what? Yeah, no thanks.
Well honey the foreskin is a loose covering, you have ever seen one? I'm not sure. What I would like to assign for you as homework is to check into it. If one were to actually cut off the tip of a penis, that would be a medical emergency that could result in scar tissue limiting ones ability to pee
Cutting off the loose covering around it is painful as hell and does require a healing period and is not without risk of complication. But it's not cutting off the tip of a penis. I'm not sure if you have a penis or have seen one? And that's ok if not.
And just to be clear, I'm not taking a pro or con stance on this trimming of skin. Whatever, who cares, religious stuff is all strange to me. I like it either way on a guy, if the thing works that's all I'm into. But let's be clear with our words, no?
Well duh! Silly goose. Of course! Most of the foreskins I have messed with have been pulled back by a raging hardon at the time. But, let's agree, the tip of the dick + and men, chime in - like the tip of the solid meat where the nut or wee wee comes out, AINT NOBODY CUTTING MEAT OFF. Okee dokee.
When I watched a documentary about circumcision & learned that they DO NOT numb it, the boys are strapped into this contraption like a St. Andrew’s cross, & they SCREAM! I forever bear the shame of circumcising my sons cuz it was pre-internet, I was young/had no idea, & their dad said to do it.😭🤦🏻♀️
It depends on who does it and how. Physicians are notoriously inept. Jewish boys are generally held in their grandfather’s lap and circumcised by highly trained and experienced practitioners at eight days and it’s over in a moment. Muslims at 13 years (ouch!) Sounds like you had a butcher.
No, I never heard my sons. It was on the documentary that I learned it. If I had it to all over again, my sons would NEVER have been circumcised unless medically necessary. Corcumcision decreases sensitivity & males who are circumcised contract STDs (STIs) at a higher rate than uncircumcised males.
I have no idea about reducing the length of the erect penis, but I imagine it could’ve with the greater amount of foreskin cut off prior to 1996-ish. My 1st son’s 94 circumcision looked totally different from his 96 bro’s because they started leaving more foreskin. I’d change what I did if I could.
Kat, those who create documentaries always have a bias the try to prove through the use of narrative-affirming material. Notice that it’s not the vast numbers of circumcised men who are complaining, but others. Circumcision is only required of Jews and Muslims, not others. BTW, you’re wrong abt STDs
I looked up circumcised vs. uncircumcised rate of STIs & SURPRISE! We now know that the tearing of the foreskin during sex causes higher transmission of STIs. Uncircumcised get more UTIs. I’m glad they leave more foreskin now. My boys were crying afterward, so the documentary made believe the bad.
Also, women with circumcised partners have a lower rate of cervical cancer! Who made that documentary and why did they make it? What was their skin in the game?
Religion brainwashes us to believe its lies. I died & was alert in my death but none of the mythological trio. There’s a movement of men who want to undo what was done to them. They are going to extraordinary lengths to restore their foreskins. Unless it’s medically necessary, there’s no need for it
I’ve seen that STD info shared more than just on that 1 circumcision documentary. I’m not a man, I don’t know. I still wouldn’t circumcise my sons, unless medically necessary, if I had a chance for a do-over. I know that I wouldn’t want my dick to have less sensitivity if I was a man.
Noted. But in the future, kindly submit complaints via hand-written words on paper or other spindlable media in triplicate. English preferred, but Akkadian or Cuneiform accepted. Many thanks.
The 1st time, it took so long, that dad got home while I was a sobbing mess with our screaming baby who was normally the calmest, quietest, happiest baby. I was so young & had nobody to turn to to ask for help. Even remembering it now, I’m crying. I DIDN’T want to circumcise, but he said we had to.😭
I'm sorry. I was a young mother too; however, my son is 29 now & has never mentioned being circumcised. This thread is stupid because we did many things for our children's health at the time without their consent. It's called parenting. This is completely different from mutilating your genitals.
My oldest is 30 & his younger brother is 28. They warned me before doing my 2nd son’s that they had changed it & we’re leaving more skin than when my 1st’s was done just 2 years earlier. Now that I looked up the new info, I feel better about what we did. We were doing what we thought was best outta💜
I had 2 & I don’t know. I watched the documentary so long ago, I can’t even remember how young my 4 kids were. Taking off the bandages was so traumatizing for me. No matter how much I soaked the bandages, they were glued to my boys. I purposely timed my 2nd’s so his dad got home to finish it again.
Did they do it 30+ years ago? I never asked because I was so young, I trusted them. I only know what the nurse said in the documentary. She is the one who started circumcision education campaign so ppl would know what happens. I know that just removing my sons’ circumcision bandages TRAUMATIZED ME!😭
When my son was born, i actually had to use the phrase
"As a penis haver, i've got an opinion here, and frankly, i don't think the child wants you to chop part of it off, especially the part with lots of nerve endings."
Yeah. I watched an episode of 'The Operation' featuring that barbaric practice, and for someone who was allegedly feeling no pain, that little tyke shrieked his lungs out as soon as the cutting began. Hell, I think I'M scarred from the experience of merely watching!
I’ve always thought that all the religious practices, food and hygiene, come from the collective experience with sickness over time, not knowing about germs. But in the case of female mutilation, like in Mali, it’s not for religious purposes, definitely about control by the patriarchy. Am I right?
Yes, at least for the latter part; FGM is definitely exclusively done by and for patriarchy. I can’t say for sure that MGM comes from their experience with sickness, but FGM is generally cultural, not religious, and doesn’t even have purported medical benefits.
Thanks for your response. I forgot the G part, that practice is horrific and cruel. I get so angry just thinking about it. You’d think that in this day and age it would die out, or that women would absolutely refuse. I guess that speaks to the power of the patriarchy over there. Never here!!
Just like them saying that a cervix doesn’t have pain receptors and chopping parts of it off with a red hot loop, with no anaesthetic. The medical field still has a lot of catching up to do.
I had a male obgyn tell me that it was written in the medical books. I replied “Those books were written by men.” I don’t go to male doctors for anything related to my lady parts since then.
I’ve had more gentle and thoughtful treatment from male gynos recently than female! It amazes me how it seems completely random as to what they’ve learned about various bodies.
Haha but seriously learning (circa 2016-ish for me) these kinds of stories were *common* for women threw that time doctors tried to murder my mother into sharp relief in my mind.
Right? It’s wild to think that something so fundamentally wrong was ever accepted by science. It’s the same with anti-abortion views. There’s really no solid evidence backing their claims either, yet they’re still pushed as facts.
So glad I live in the UK where male genital mutilation isn't common, even among Christians apparently . Unsure about other Abrahamic sky fairy followers.
It's not common in Scandinavian countries either, thankfully. (There are politicians working on a ban, but Jews block it with support from Muslims. At least they agree on gender mutilation.)
Oh stop! No one is calling antisemitism over circumcision.
How about it's simply left as a "choice".
If YOU don't believe in it, don't do it, but don't try to stop others from following their own beliefs,regardless what they are based in. It is really that simple.
Time to stop dictating to others.
Yet that is actually their main argument when opposing a ban against mutilation on baby boys. They literally argue that such a ban would be "antisemitic" because it would prohibit their religious practice.
Circumcision isn't only religious, it's a de facto thing for Americans in general -- including (and probably *especially*) conservative Christians -- though that might be changing in more recent years
Just so you know (I assume your first language is Spanish), "Jewish" is better there. Using "Jew" as an adjective is basically just an antisemitic thing.
They used to do HEART SURGERY on babies because they didn’t believe they felt pain. It sounds barbaric now - and yet they continue that with this completely unnecessary and damaging surgery.
It’s really not. Not when the delivering OB/GYN literally recommends it for hygiene purposes. Letting it bother you as an adult, suing your parents over it, equating it to FGM - THAT is psycho shit.
Thank you, the comparisons to FGM really don’t hold up if you look at how they’re generally carried out and the after effects. I can say I don’t agree with nonconsensual surgery, but I don’t think they’re on the same level.
Apparently, there is evidence they it reduces HIV/AIDS transmission in heterosexual sex, in areas where access to good hygiene is limited... but outside of that, atheists who defend circumcision are an absolute bizzarety to me.
Yeah I was about to say Penn and Teller did a whole episode on this decades ago. They asked hard-hitting questions like how hard is it really to teach a young male in the shower to pull the skin back and to rub their monkey, or use a wipe?
Right. If you're in a place with ready access to clean running water for washing, it's easier to just do that. I understand the practice for parts of the world that don't have the greatest access to clean water, but outside of that, it's just needless.
Your pushing the falsehood that licking the blade is a thing, among other things. Stop behaving like this is twitter. Folks like me would like to properly educate you on the matter. As well as respect your opinion if you still dislike it.
The only time I almost passed out in nursing school was watching a circumcision. They don't numb it, they're strapped down, basically like a metal tourniquet, they give them sugar to suck on after. It was horiffic fuck that.
It is the stupidest and unnecessary practice Americans subject their male newborns to. An udult can always choose to get it done if they wish. Babies have to live with the idiotic choices made for them by their parents.
The circumcision argument is more textured than the answers in this thread suggest (and yes, I know OP's post is primarily about abortion). The AAP says the benefits outweigh the drawbacks, but research on increased cancer risk is a little nebulous. My wife and I are Jewish and we argued about it.
All you have to give up for your parents' comfort and a smidge less likely to catch vanerial disease in an age where condoms exist is NOT having had your genetals mutilated as a baby against your will.
Millions of Jews, Muslims, and other people get circumcised, and I'm guessing the number resentful about it is extremely low. I know I personally like it for the look, so not "against my will." My argument with the wife was I didn't want him to feel rejected by men/women, but she's with you.
Whether or not you are happy with it after the fact is irrelevant, babies can not concent to this, its hard for people to regret missing something they dont remember ever having.
Bingo. If someone wants cosmetic surgery as an adult they can choose it for themselves. 0 reason a parent should be making that choice when they're an infant
There is a large number of men who were circumcised and are now restoring their foreskin. I never consented to being circumcised. I restored my foreskin, and, although I can never regain what was taken from me, I regained enough to realize that I lost a lot.
I know what it's about... and I knwo this much. My Rabbi never behaved, or ever condoned someone acting like that in the last panel. Nor did he ever think babies never feel pain.
The blood suck thing is meant to stop bleeding, it's a very old technique to prevent infection for small wounds, like how many parents kiss a cut, on there child. Not sure where licking the blade comes from. Everytime I ask my Rabbi about that part, he wonders where folks get that nonsense.
Yeah, I about expected you to make excuses for this disgusting practice. Btw, licking the blade is less gross than orally abusing children. And when parents kiss boo boos, it’s to make them feel better.
You didn't read the other part. Also note I am not making excuses for it, as that is your opinion. Just stating how it is, and the licking of the blade is something folks like you made up btw. The Rabbi's I know of that are qualified to do this, do wonder where in the world folks got that idea.
Also just to follow up only highly trained and qualify Rabbis perform it, those these days it's more left to ones doctor, then a Rabbi. A Rabbi is meant to witness it happening. Again to protect the health of the child.
While circumcision isn’t a guarantee that a young child won’t develop a UTI, infant males have a 9.9 times higher riskTrusted Source for developing the infection if uncircumcised.
And having your child's nipples and surrounding tissue removed in a mastectomy will entirely prevent breast cancer.
Might as well dig around in there and carve out the appendix and tonsils before they can be a problem too. Extract those wisdom teeth before they can start coming in!
A friend of mine was curcumsised as an adult. He says that sex is much worse after the procedure. His sensitivity is lowered by a large amount. Why would you want that for people, even if it was true that it lowered an allready very low chance of male UTI?
Circumcision can reduce the risk of urinary tract infections (UTIs), penile cancer, and the transmission of some sexually transmitted infections (STIs). It can also make the penis easier to clean.
We call this "cope," it's what happens when someone - such as yourself - realize you've carved your child's genitals into a shape that you personally find sexually aesthetic, and then try to come up with post ipso facto reasons for why that's okay.
All of those benefits can also be gained with hygiene, rather than cutting a piece off of an infant. That's like saying it's cool to cut someone's ears off because it makes it easier to clean behind them.
I was thinking if I had a son, just cut since they wouldn’t remember. But y’all got good points, maybe I’ll just give him the choice later and teach him how to clean in the meantime 🤔
Not to mention that it's mutilating another person's body without their consent, when they don't even have the capability to understand what's being done to them.
It's an absolutely abhorrent practice.
Hypocrites, all of them. Remember the holy Bible warns of mingling with hypocrites. Jesus hated hypocrites! I believe he had a major display of anger after calling “religious elders” in the temple hypocrites. Simply reminding the simple minded.
All the zealots getting worked up when you didn't even say anything about religion... Wild how someone can be in a cult, recognize the cult holds fucked up beliefs, and then defend the cult anyways. They are self aware enough to be offended, but not smart enough to address the problem.
I've always felt violated.
The very evening I chose to talk to my Dad regarding my circumcision he informed me that in his early seventies he needed a circumcision for a medical reason.
Ironic. He understood my point.
It's child abuse.
Irreversible cosmetic surgery on male genitals is a totally okay choice for parents to make for their non verbal newborns.
But getting puberty blockers for their Trans, fully verbal, and consenting child is WRONG!!
It is a very important choice since it can literally ruin someone's life if not being sure. That's why this kind of treatment shouldn't be allowed for kids, since even in their teenage years they isn't mature enough to think it through properly
Circumsicion can also have complications resulting in infertility, amputation, and even death. In the US, it's usually done without doctor consultation. It is irreversible and done without any input from the child.
And also the difference is that parents decide to do this ritual operation, not kids. But kids are the ones who want to transition, not parents. That's why we need to make sure, that their choice is truly what they desire and they know consequences.
What I meant is that this specific choice is a kids decision. And that's what can be a problem since they are not mature enough. So by not allowing blockers to them we give them time to actually think about it more deeply and (I hope) with help of specialist
You literally explained why. Do you really think that you can proof a point by using a bad tradition as excuse? It literally sounds like "USA bombed civilians too" kind of excuse. Plus as you said it used for treating specific medical conditions. Not because someone feel different
"buT WhAt IF-!" "bUT WhAt IF!!!" you people keep making up scenarios that either
A) dont happen
B) happen at an almost 80% lower rate than you people say it is
C) happens BECAUSE OF the restrictions that are placed on HRT.
maybe if so many of you chuds werent so afraid of information that-
ruin someone's life in what way? also, im sure you're aware that there already are hundreds of loops to jump through to get prescribed reversible puberty blockers, right? people already have to speak with their doctors to get approved for it. you people dont know what youre talking about.
It is about symbolic devotion to an imagined god, in which they imagine an act which permits the child to voice no objections will ensure that child will object nevermore.
Transgender surgeries conflict with certain segments of the bible from which their religious views
I've never understood how they applied this to gay conversion camps. Their fairytale book says that God made their kids gay, why do they feel justified in going against God's will?
yes but, and I'm not making this up, this is just a challenge god has given them to live with for their entire lives, and they must resist "sin" and be cishet anyway so they can go to heaven
It's absolutely psychotic what these fuckers think
But wouldn't that be living a lie and lies are another sin 🙄 but living your truth was already a sin. Methinks its all about just having more babies, and if you cant or don't want to make babies then you are sinful. Forced birthers are icky.
Yeah, it’s a complicated and frustrating topic. If someone believes God made people how they are, then it seems counterintuitive to try and change that. It’s tough to understand why some folks feel justified in going against someone’s identity when it’s all part of who they are.
I am asking this genuinely. Where in the Bible does it talk about Trans people? And if you apply the references interpreted to address them, does it also say it's the job of the church to reject them?
Where does it tell the "church" to deny God-given freewill to any specific group of people?
Anything which does not archetypically conform to the state of the Garden of Eden falls into the category of non-Christian paganism, which over time degenerates into loosely defined
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." is quite effective at convincing Christians that it is the job of the Church, or indeed of anyone who can be recruited to the cause, that the beliefs now considered Satanic should be purged along with any who believe in them, as quite effectively demonstrated
Except Adam started out as both Sexes and then God decided to split the female half of Adam off into a separate being for.... Reasons? God is never clear on their motivations
Not really, the more common myth is that God made Eve out of one of Adam's ribs.
It's a highly biologically inaccurate story for many reasons, but God using some magic to turn rib bones into a woman doesn't make Adam female or Eve male.
Don't forget to add that the billionaire class benefits from labourers being so easily weaponised against each other (with their irreconcilable-by-design beliefs), so obviously they would encourage religion or at least do less than they should to provide society with off ramps. ☺️
Wait, they conflict with certain segments of the Bible? I mean, I'm Christian and I've never noticed anything where God was against trans people...maybe I just read it wrong /gen
In America, circumsicion is standard practice for no medical reason and with no medical consultation. I often hear parents say they did it, "so he will look like daddy," or so he doesn't get teased in the locker room.
I recommend you read up on recent information. There's been a lot of bad info spread in America. Intact children have an equal risk of getting a UTI as having a vagina.
Personally, I don't think that's an acceptable reason to take the bodily autonomy away from a newborn because of a "what-if".
Well I have never talked to anyone who says babies don't feel pain unless they are pro infanticide. Everyone knows it hurts. Just like getting their ears pierced. Life begins at conception, so says biologists. And comparing circumcision to abortion is pretty fucking stupid.
Sure sure. So what your saying is, I proved you wrong, so now let's act like the words don't mean what they mean, cause you exist in the 4th dimension and have a more omnipotent view than I. That, or your pathetic childish mind can't handle the truth which is why you ran from reality and hid on bsky
i greatly respect that you expect these people to have the diligence and critical thinking to read and understand the nonsense theyre spouting but you know as well as i that thats too great of an expectation to place on them
Before we get all up in arms, there are legitimate health reasons for circumcision. You could argue; "let them decide when they're of age", but parents make health choices for their children until they're 18.
Which legitimate health reasons? I'm not aware of nearly enough to justify infant circumcision to be as common as it is in the US, at least in the parts with half-decent healthcare and sex ed.
It's not even necessarily indicated for phimosis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK326433/
In case you're thinking of circumcision decreasing risk of infections, either in childhood or via sex:
Condoms, testing, PrEP, PEP, and basic hygiene are effective, not irreversible cosmetic/functional modifications, and don't maim or kill infants when botched. Unacceptable risk:reward ratio, IMO
If decreasing risk of infections is a good enough reason to modify children's genitals nearly by default, females would be included as well. "Cleanliness" was a justification ex post facto.
Those legitimate reasons do not apply in the vast majority of cases where circumcisions are performed, as the religious reasons circumcisions are insisted on are unrelated to the actual medical conditions of severe infection which would make one necessary.
One of the worst things I ever did to my son was have him circumcised. My Dr kept after me to have it done. His father had no real opinion, and so I did.
My baby screamed and cried real tears. I have sense come to think of the practice as similar to female mutilation.
So many rules from ancient times have their reasons. Pork consumption-trichinosis, shellfish-hepatitis, circumcision-human pamplona virus/cancer. As we learn more about cause and effect of diseases we can make other changes. There was a time that doctors went from surgery to surgery in same
Clothing. The dirtier the apron the better the doctor. No one washed hands unless they wanted. It takes us time to figure things out. After all this, yes clean your penis please, either way the body is best when it is clean. 😎
No one believed Dr. Snow even with evidence. Poor dude was a pioneer in his feild, the first doctor to use pain management in child birth (lol it was just chloroform). He definitely set the stage for her theory as well. Shame he was derived and called a quack.
Totally! He died shamed because the medical field could not accept they were responsible for spreading so much infection.
I'm a big fan of Sara Josephine Baker being asked to provide lectures at NYU medical school while also being denied being allowed to study there.
Yes it really sucked what they did to him. Leading theory at the time was miasma. But Dr. Snow noticed that maternal/infant mortality rates were lower at midwiferies than at hospitals. And the biggest difference was they didn't come in contact with sick/dead people
Being curcumsised is not as bad as you all think, There aren't as much medical complications and your only losing a handful of nerve endings, Unless you got other reasons for needing them then your all good 👍
Maybe it's "just" and handful of nerves, but that is not a reason to routinely remove them. Your earlobes are also just a handful of nerve endings you don't need, doesn't mean we should be good with getting them chopped off as babies with no choice in the matter for aesthetics/religion reasons
I searched up why kids are getting these gender transitioning stuff or whatever and it's to prevents mental illnesses in adulthood, The main reason why curcumsission is cause in adulthood noone ain't gonna agree to losing some skin in the tenders man...
People not wanting circumcision done to them as an adult is not a reason to do it to babies. In fact, it's a reason NOT to do it to babies. It's fucked up
Circumcision became popular in the US when people (the church) were trying to control how much kids masturbated, as the procedure removes some feeling. Def seems like the sort of thing that a person should have a say in
Theological conundrum: 1) "God is perfect;" 2) "God created man in his image & likeness" 3) "Therefore, let us deface this tiny newborn likeness of God, by removing part of its body - a body that we stoutly maintain God himself designed." Oooookay...
Same with 3) "Therefore, let us condemn the people put by God into the opposite body of their true gender, despite God wanting them this way". If God doesn't make mistakes then why not see transgender as God's perfect children too?
I personally am an agnostic (or an atheist, take your pick); I was merely interested in the apparent conundrum. So I have no dog in this fight; furthermore, I firmly believe that if you think you've been born into the wrong body and want to change that, it's actually none of my goddamn business.
You've hit the nail right on the head, friend! I've always thought that if I was Og the caveman, looking for a way to keep my tribe under control, I'd invent myself an all-powerful Sky Daddy. And then, I'd appoint mySELF his second-in-command. Bosses can be toppled... but Sky Daddies MUST be obeyed.
Now why did I bring up the food pyramid, nutritional recommendations are pretty much engineered to make people less horny because Christianity believes that meat makes people more lustful.
I can confirm that you get a lot more firm when all you do is eat meat. Don't be controlled
I don't think there's much evidence for the food pyramid being created to "make people less horny". With the creation of corn flakes yes, but the food pyramid was made at the behest and for the benefit of the processed food companies, not the religious lobby.
As a grandmother, I have no rights. I did say I was against, but not my place. I did suggest they watch the documentary “Cut” on Netflix. But their husbands prevailed.
It's not medically necessary unless it is. One of my friend's son's foreskin was over his urethra, thus he had a circumcision. America accounts for 80% of the WORLDS circumcisions. It's ridiculous.
Only the stupid think this is a logical argument. Babies "FEEL" pain, & as such, the reason for giving male babies circumcisions is for hygienic purposes, not because they don't feel pain.
the purpose of circumcision is tradition and pseudoscience. largely why the practice is falling off. no one said people are circumcising for fun. the point is that anaesthesia has been, and is often, not used because the pain of infants was seen as irrelevant or nonexistent. try to engage next time.
If anesthesia isn't used & its a practice used because the pain of infants is seen as "nonexistent," then why does a simple web search say that it IS a common practice while both myself & the men in my family have ALL had anesthesia when being circumcised?
So let it be known right here & now, that there aren't enough earth movers, truck beds, or cargo fleets to wrap around the Earth in any capacity, that could adequately fill the amount of FUCKS that I don't give about your subhuman takes on anything🤣
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What hypocrites 🤣
On here wanting to promote poor health choices and higher infection rates for newborns for the sake of giving you something to rage against. 🤣🙄
cutting up your kids penis to reduce infection is like getting their toenails removed so they don't get nail fungus.
Also women should be allowed to have abortions.
"Let us force this woman to give birth regardless of the physical/mental harm it may cause to her, and then also immediately forget about the well-being of the child after it has been born. Clearly this is the morally superior stance."
Bs
You are on the side of the most selfish, brainwashed people and the women you convince to go through with this will ultimately hate you for encouraging them.
Nor does it save the child the trauma of living in a family where they were never wanted.
Seeing how the government of my country keeps adding more restrictions, I can't help but think about the phrase "The closer the collapse of the Empire, the crazier its laws are."
Or at least part of me hopes so. Let the Revolution happen already. I might not survive it but at least future generations will have the chance at something better.
You're welcome to get or not get an abortion as you choose. Don't take that choice away from other people.
Healthcare (which cannot coexist with abortion bans), education, parental benefits and and and.
"Let's cut off the foreskin!"
"What are you, Jewish?"
"We cannot abort the pregnancy!"
"What are you, Catholic?"
Still, glad I got it later rather than sooner.
On another note, I'm starting a religion; all the boys have to have their pinky finger lopped off. Okay?
It’s not about life or babies, it’s always been about control
Not today nor on this site, red caps 🖕
You're 100% right though.
makes bottom surgery a lot worse and they know that
it's always about control and abuse
I usually have a meme to pay one for taking theirs
It stinks that we don't have enough memes like that .
USA needs to 🛑 assaulting infants on their genitalia
Should be a rape charge!!
Abrahamic religions have different names but they're all following the same pedophilic genitalia obsessed God of rape and genocide,it's the same character that whispered in men's ears that they're special
Let's not play games
They say it right from their chest,
Conservative Christian lawmakers keep it legal to rape children because of religious liberty
They believe Jesus would want them to
I agree with you, of course it's statistically mostly christians when the country consists of mostly christians. But I think the point was "if christians follwed their own belief, prisons would be empty".
Which is it? Should kids' bodies be permanently altered before 18 or not??
After hearing the screams and cries of my first son when he was circumcised I never allowed it to be done to my other boys. It is genital mutilation.
In my humble opinion. (Sorry guys.)
And yeah, jewish people shouldnt do that either. Kinda fucked up.
Or is it "The baby didn't tell my 'ouch that really hurt' so I assume it feels no pain".
"Not feeling" and "Not remembering" are two different things.
there is zero justification for cutting off a baby's foreskin
wonder why the rest of the world doesn't do this shit?
FU
Maybe work on that reading level, did you know the average american can't read at higher than a sixth grade reading level?
Your understanding of words makes me think you're dragging the average down. :)
There's a handful of them like this. He loses nothing by not being ideologically consistent.
Never mistake this ass as being right except by accident.
not just shitty. there are plenty of shitty comics that aren't made by Hans Kristian Graebener from Spring, Texas that are shitty and no one is sharing personal information about those authors.
Except Hans Kristian Graebener totally fucking intended it to be a rebuttal of both at the same time.
The comic makes it seem as though underage children are undergoing surgeries when they are not.
I'll reword it:
[I myself am not even slightly religious, but I am still a Jew.]
Yes... YOU STILL NEED TO CLEAN IT!!!! 😭
I hate this damn species. I agree there's no reason to mutilate a baby unless there's a valid medical concern.
"Circumcised penises look better" is pedophilic, not medical. 💀
Clean that thing is right!
CLEAN IT DAMN IT!!
God has no problem telling people to sacrifice their living children either.
I'm not sure what they think this nation is, but it CERTAINLY isn't a Christian one. 😭
But people who pretend an ancient book of poetry, mythology, philosophy, genealogy, and didacticism is literally true & is a prescription for behaviour have something strange about them.
Lot of people have their interpretations.
But the closest to an example I can find for something interpretable is God breathing life into a baby.
Which can be first breath out the womb OR lung development! 🫁
Like I said, I'm not religious at all, but I was subject to various religious environments in my youth.
I hate church. But I did find a lot to appreciate about religion!
Every church teaches different stuff. I once went to one of the Spanish ones and the old pastor went on a racist and misogynistic rant. 😭
Religion is fun to discuss and learn about :)
I feel it just fine and consciously take actions to avoid sources of it that could cause actual damage, but otherwise?
It's just a sensation and sometimes I'll poke spiked leaves to feel it.
After all, male genitals look like dildos, is that a good enough reason to cut the whole thing off?
The question illustrates how absurd the reason you gave looks to me.
Assuming you see the parallel, of course.
Just like what is going in Gaza. "God told us we belong here, you don't."
"Love and tolerance."
I really wish those were stressed. I won't pretend they're not there but it's mostly politics.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_monotheism
does that refer to murder and rape or saying God as a swear and being gay
You're saying that multiple wars have been fought, hundreds of thousands tortured & murdered and countless terrorist attacks have occurred throughout history due to love & tolerance?
if you don't think it's been central to human suffering, I suggest you hit some history books.
--->
Most religion use love and tolerance as a defence against their atrocities.
"Those weren't TRUE Christians" every time y'all do something evil, which is regularly.
Any fool can pretend they are holy.
It's people who use religion as an excuse to justify acts of ignorance and violence that's the real problem.
The only difference between religion and a cult is how socially acceptable it is, I guess.
But after mine, I couldn't walk for a year!
Otherwise I agree with you.
Every man is born with a natural turtleneck, it protects the sensitive Glans and Meatus, it should be left intact.
If he wants to take off his turtleneck as an adult, that’s his body his choice IMO!
Personally I see it as mutilation.
And appendices aren’t removed unless there’s a medical reason
Yet, people cut up perfectly healthy dicks for “preventative” or religious reasons. Not a medical reason
it’s also a big religious thing but i’d never expect you guys to care about religion
Wash the thing, y'know, the entire purpose of taking showers?
don’t have sex if you don’t want to be pregnant, y’know, the main purpose of sex?
That's a very utilitarian and nihilist thing to say for someone complaining about people not caring about religion.
Makes perfect sense.🙄
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"As a penis haver, i've got an opinion here, and frankly, i don't think the child wants you to chop part of it off, especially the part with lots of nerve endings."
With literally no evidence ever, in all of history. None.
Which is also the same amount of evidence anti-abortion people have for their views, so.
At some point it's open malice, not ignorance.
I despise all religions equally
Every single one is shit. Oppression, misogyny, corruption, lies and indoctrination.
How about it's simply left as a "choice".
If YOU don't believe in it, don't do it, but don't try to stop others from following their own beliefs,regardless what they are based in. It is really that simple.
Time to stop dictating to others.
It’s a different religion altogether.
Just as an example 71% of men are circumcised in America according to the CDC.
That's literal psycho shit.
It's a right wing talking point.
It's manosphere stupidity trying to equate circumcision with female genital mutilation.
It's enabling oppressor victim culture.
Bluesky has the juice
Or like locker room giggles is the other reason.
Screaming unique to this experience, fainting, infections, bleeding for days, almost total to total loss of the penis, cetera.
Life long issues are just the nature of it
I will never understand the whole "they aren't loosing feeling" thing.
It's skin, it has nerves. so if you remove it... IT LOOSES FEELING!
It's just dumb.
And it's full of stretch receptors - erogenous proprioception.
And it keeps the glans soft and sensitive, preventing it from going all keratinised and leathery.
Might as well dig around in there and carve out the appendix and tonsils before they can be a problem too. Extract those wisdom teeth before they can start coming in!
What are you even doing
It's an absolutely abhorrent practice.
Hilarious.
The very evening I chose to talk to my Dad regarding my circumcision he informed me that in his early seventies he needed a circumcision for a medical reason.
Ironic. He understood my point.
It's child abuse.
Irreversible cosmetic surgery on male genitals is a totally okay choice for parents to make for their non verbal newborns.
But getting puberty blockers for their Trans, fully verbal, and consenting child is WRONG!!
Explain it like I'm in kindergarten.
Circumsicion can also have complications resulting in infertility, amputation, and even death. In the US, it's usually done without doctor consultation. It is irreversible and done without any input from the child.
Puberty blockers are used for many conditions.
On the street with their weed?
A) dont happen
B) happen at an almost 80% lower rate than you people say it is
C) happens BECAUSE OF the restrictions that are placed on HRT.
maybe if so many of you chuds werent so afraid of information that-
It is about symbolic devotion to an imagined god, in which they imagine an act which permits the child to voice no objections will ensure that child will object nevermore.
Transgender surgeries conflict with certain segments of the bible from which their religious views
I've never understood how they applied this to gay conversion camps. Their fairytale book says that God made their kids gay, why do they feel justified in going against God's will?
It's absolutely psychotic what these fuckers think
Where does it tell the "church" to deny God-given freewill to any specific group of people?
Adam for men.
Eve for women.
Never can Adam become Eve, nor Eve become Adam.
Anything which does not archetypically conform to the state of the Garden of Eden falls into the category of non-Christian paganism, which over time degenerates into loosely defined
Christianity is not a religion much concerned with archiving information or accurate historical records.
It's a highly biologically inaccurate story for many reasons, but God using some magic to turn rib bones into a woman doesn't make Adam female or Eve male.
That is blatantly cosmetic reasons.
Personally, I don't think that's an acceptable reason to take the bodily autonomy away from a newborn because of a "what-if".
Additionally, altering an incomplete developmental system with unknown outcome isn’t affirming, it’s choosing.
If it were affirmation and not choosing, it doesn’t need to be done for the same outcome to be reached, right?
He is not even necessarily a Rabbi
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/person-sues-for-being-born/
It's not even necessarily indicated for phimosis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK326433/
Condoms, testing, PrEP, PEP, and basic hygiene are effective, not irreversible cosmetic/functional modifications, and don't maim or kill infants when botched. Unacceptable risk:reward ratio, IMO
Abolish might be better, but quietly fade away may be simpler
Part of the Christian religious practice is to serve wine at Communion as it represents the blood of Jesus.
Serving alcohol to children is illegal.
U.S. churches have substituted Grape juice in the part of their Communion offering trays designated for children as a result.
If not, then you're regulating religion.
My baby screamed and cried real tears. I have sense come to think of the practice as similar to female mutilation.
I'm a big fan of Sara Josephine Baker being asked to provide lectures at NYU medical school while also being denied being allowed to study there.
Cannot overstate how much "medical complications" gets overstated. We don't remove infant's tonsils just in case.
I love it
Fucking dicks
I can confirm that you get a lot more firm when all you do is eat meat. Don't be controlled
My circumcision wasn't fully 100% completed and the part that still there is the most sensitive part.
The reason they did it was to make sex feel less good. That's it. Food pyramid same reason.
Apples to walnuts, dude.
https://search.brave.com/search?q=is+anesthesia+used+for+infant+circumcisions&source=android&summary=1&conversation=260de629890ca1a9271181
So let it be known right here & now, that there aren't enough earth movers, truck beds, or cargo fleets to wrap around the Earth in any capacity, that could adequately fill the amount of FUCKS that I don't give about your subhuman takes on anything🤣
(not really, I hear it's a successful business)