In a normal presidential administration, I may agree more. trump specifically hires unqualified people kinda on the dumb side and gets rid of subjects matter experts in favor of boot lickers. 👢👅
There’s no one around to enforce discipline or common sense. Things like this are inevitable.
Vance’s “Excellent” response to what appears to be a CIVILIAN APARTMENT BUILDING collapse is bone-chilling. Was that really the only/best place? That’s guaranteed civilian deaths, especially young children. That craven fucker was probably stroking his patchy mustache and muhahaha-ing too.
As an old ER doc that has seen more people take their last breath than I care to recall I’m offended by the cavalier attitude toward taking life. Even enemy combatants being killed, while probably necessary deserves a demeanor consistent with the gravity of the act. These folks are despicable
^ This is the real danger, immature fools disconnected morally from what they are doing and they've been gifted immunity from any consequences.
This is what the beginning of the end looks like.
Quite a bit off topic, but have you watched that German TV series on Apple about a bad ER in Berlin? It's really an incredible show. Just wondered if since you were an old ER Doc if you even watch stuff like that?
I’ve not seen it. I’ll look for it. I can tell you most medical shows make me cringe, especially er focused. I’m old enough, retired, that I was the first residency trained board certified er doc at the hospital I spent the majority of my career. It was a privilege to be allowed in peoples lives.
Mr. Clean OPSEC supports war criminals. So we really can't expect any humanity from this bunch. They clearly enjoy inflicting pain & death on other human beings.
Same. Old ER doc, and even among hardened old paramedics and nurses, drinking in the morning after a Sunday night shift (we call it 'choir practice') I have never seen someone care so little about life. They are evil, and we must never elect people like this again.
To say that a “prayer” will be said to kill people is true psychopathy. God doesn’t pick sides. Imaging saying you’ll “pray” to have people maimed and killed.
I left the Lutheran Church decades ago, but I do recall that prayer doesn’t work like that.
The degradation of our national consciousness as revealed in the gross dehumanization anyone we don’t agree with terrifies me. We are debasing ourselves and our national character.
But of course! Some one has to be burned at the stake! Not anyone in the chain of command. dRump pleads complete ignorance. Strange, that might be an accurate assessment of himself spoken by the Orange Tragedy!
Doesn’t matter who invited him, it’s the fact that they had this conversation on signal, with blatant disregard to human life, outside a secured facility.
They are vile human beings hungry for power and a blood bath.
Does it really help to pray for "victory" when we're killing people in other countries without a declaration of war? I think he must be praying something different than the compassion of Jesus that was on display at Bishop Budde's sermon. 🦋💙
Ah, but they do! And it’s set as protocol-should any of them CHOSE to follow. What arses they all are-JD, hegseth, tulsi… not worthy of anything because they made our troops expendable with sloppy carelessness
Day two of our 72 hr stop work.
The Signal chat with the “leaders” of tRump’s admin threatens American lives and are now unnecessarily in danger: who knows what else the clowns have discussed our enemies know about. THIS. IS. WHY. WE. MUST. REMOVE. THE. 💩🍊🤡 FROM. OUR. WHITEHOUSE!
WORK STOP!
TRUMP and all of Trump's corrupt, incompetent, unqualified cabinet threaten not only all US Service Members in active duty, BUT also threaten ALL Americans' wealth, health, and the sovereignty of the USA - which now is much closer to a crony satellite state of genocidal war-criminal Putin and RU FED
They are praying that when their target visits his girlfriend, that they destroy their target, the girlfriend and the building. That’s not something you pray for. I might be wrong. I don’t think so.
I want to know more about the text chats that don’t have a reporter on them. Because if these disappear in a week then there’s no record of any of the shenanigans therefore no liability in court.
No liability and no accountability either. That they are using a well known app designed to delete messages for government business suggests that all manner of unethical and illegal “shenanigans”are going down.That’s by design.
This is exactly what their counting on. The reporter should have never left the chat. Stayed there quietly until they noticed meanwhile recording everything.
Those Capitol Hill riots? Why aren’t they happening now but by the decent people in the world? It’s time for the decent and good to rise up not the Nazis, the racists, the bigots, the fascists.
Trouble is the decent people aren’t rioters and the evil people know it.
We can still show up by the thousands, we just don't have to get violent. Just stand there with our signs, in silence. It's more unsettling than shouting 😏
What will Trump do then? The next thing in the fascist playbook will be arresting protestors.
I’m in the UK and very much see you guys as strong allies but Trump seems to be undoing all of that and with the EU. We’re generally supposed to be the good guys.
Everyone in the US who is still of sound mind still views our allies as allies. What trump is doing is embarrassing and disgraceful.
I would not be surprised at all if peaceful protesters get detained. It seems to be the opposite of what they seem acceptable. Insurrection is rewarded, and
It’s wild that they react the same way conservative aunts and uncles reply on Facebook. “God bless our troops and warriors 🙏🏻🇺🇸🦅 LOL love our LORD” and whatnot.
They are banking on the integrity of ethical people. I’m sure they legit don’t think people will stoop to their level. What they fail to notice is they blunder things so people can fight them without dropping that low.
Alternatively, they are banking on their followers to believe every word they say. The more insults and lies they fling, the more people will believe it.
100%. At this point, it's just a matter of appealing to people who are on the fence. For example, I simply cannot fathom how any veterans or military personnel watching this unfold can still support Trump or Hegseth. These bastards clearly do not care about Americans or American soldiers.
Too many in the military DGAF about any of this. They’re part of the good ole white boy macho club. Trump insulted wounded vets, dead vets, Generals, and draft dodged, etc. THEY STILL VOTED FOR HIM.
That's true, but many of them are also now waking up to the fact that Trump is not being selective about who he harms. As a matter of fact, the Trump admin has expressed, repeatedly, in no uncertain terms, that they don't give a shit about veteran jobs, VA healthcare or current active military.
The sharing classified impending military plans over a commercial messaging app was absolutely not in any way Obama's fault, corporate democrat or not.
None of this government will be held accountable because Trump will not part with his faithful Dobermans and has a group of Republican servants to take care of his dogs.
Kash Patel should be drafting paperwork to confiscate all devices utilized by these individuals that were on Signal platform but we know that would be happening. The book he wrote fits the description of the administration. Any devices that have been scrubbed classify as tampering with govt files.
Oh. At least there are prayers from the wanna-be “warriors” who seek to hide their tracks 😡 …and jeopardize the operation and “warriors” by using an insecure third-party app.
What phony blowhards!
This is why I don't like groups: no matter how clean your OPSEC, some Felicia is always gunna jump in and start a prayer before we can all just go home.
This is so intuitively classified information I am not even a national security or military person I have just you know watched a few movies here and there.
We've reached the pathetic excuses stage of #Signalgate
This AM they tried:
This is all being done to embarrass Trump
Then Goldberg revealed the actual texts so now it's:
They were not WAR plans but they were ATTACK plans
See the difference?
Me, neither
These are Federal Crimes
#WhiskyLeaks
Every last one of them straight up the line of command. Chump knew about it so playing dumb is one of his go to’s. He’s the president, god save us all, so if he didn’t know he is doing his job. If he doesn’t fire all involved he knew! But we already know
With the exception of VANCE, send him to church and let him pray. I am absolutely sure, he does not know how that works. Its time to send them, including the President, where they belong. I leave that open!
So TRUE, but what do you expect from brainless cowboys? What you have there in the U.S. is life threatening, but nothing happens. The so called President is supporting these VANCES/HEGSETH/WALTZ gang. These people had to be sent home or to jail.
Can you please ask Maggie and Peter to flood the zone with story, a la Clinton's emails, Biden's senility, and the first Clinton's cock hunt? You know, when you see them getting coffee in the breakroom?
#FrighteningAF that the actions of these idiots may result in many fatalities. Especially since their prior defense experience consists mostly from playing video games.
If these people took part in the Milgram Experiments, they would spam the “shock” button without being prompted, and then break into the victim’s room and kick them until their fake screams became desperate enough for their liking.
This astounds me- they all cane out guns blazing with outrageous denials and lies- as if Roy Cohn were right next to them whispering in their ear- and the fake christianity is really deplorable
ok so tactics are short term operational plans while strategic are long term plans operating in the clear means unsecure where nearly anyone can gain access to plans now i could teach you but i'd have to charge! ;)
right they don't even use the same software the rest use it's all in house mliitary strictly secure comms encrypted with the best crypto schemas it's NEVER EVER leaked like this this is clown show bullshit ineptness operational security for active operations is PARAMOUNT to keep our people alive.
I feel like the OPSEC briefings and training he's received must be different than the ones I did. Fucking lethal war-fighter mentality, my ass.
Out here broadcasting shit that should be saved for secure spaces and need to know.
Incompetent at best. Real reason for using Signal is so nothing can be subpoenaed - M. Walz had his set to disappearing after 4 weeks. All of them don't want to leave anything incriminating behind as they're basically criminals, Putin plants or stooges to start with.
“Donald Trump is not a serious person; his return to the White House would have serious consequences” - Kamala. It applies to his whole cabinet though.
Is it just me wondering why the felon who occupies our White House, was not included in something as serious as dropping bombs? Doesn't he have to order and sign off on such an attack, or is someone else using the auto pen?
Came here to say the same thing. Those Signal texts are long w/ paragraph breaks, punctuation and upper & lower case letters. No way any of them typed it out; it had to have been copied & pasted or somehow imported from a different source. Top secret/classified info just flying through the ethernet.
When “FACTS” Prove Trump/GOPs—Are Liars,Who Accept No Responsibility For Their Egregious Failures, Lawless Actions And Complete Incompetence—Also Threatens Our Security And A Economic Recession—Saving And Protecting Americans/America And World—BECAME ALL AMERICANS RESPONSIBILITY AND CALL TO DUTY!!
I can't even imagine having to have these clowns as a boss. They not only text top-secret classified information that puts lives at risk, but they include emojis.
These people need to stop cosplaying as leaders of national security and go be forgotten again
And do you think he typed that all out from memory, or did he receive the info elsewhere and then copy/paste it. Nothing says security like copying F-18 strikes to your clipboard.
I have seen that concern. Does he have all of this information on his cell phone and he just copied and pasted it into the chat? Its not unreasonable to think, if he’s comfortable using that platform, he’s comfortable with a lot that’s not secure.
Security only being as good as the person using it is a concern here for sure. All the processes in place with SCIFs, no personal devices, etc. are in place to balance out some of the stupid things people do
Indeed. People make mistakes. I would feel better if I thought this was just incompetence. But I believe they use that platform to evade scrutiny and to pass along information to bad actors, while retaining some form of plausible deniability. The incompetence was getting caught.
Never mind the obvious issues of this...this debacle exposes people who could be compromised by an adversary to expose more information. It reveals information on the kinds of comms to look for in intelligence gathering.
It hasn't been real war in over 30 years. Baudrillard on the Gulf War: "It is a masquerade of information: branded faces delivered over to the prostitution of the image, the image of an unintelligible distress.
"No images of the field of battle, but images of masks, of blind or defeated faces, images of falsification. It is not war taking place over there but the disfiguration of the world."
Operational security (OPSEC) is a security and risk management process that prevents sensitive information from getting into the wrong hands. Another OPSEC meaning is a process that identifies seemingly innocuous actions that could inadvertently reveal critical or sensitive data to a cyber criminal.
As a pacifist I will never ever pray for bombs to hit people, like that couch fucker JD Vance does in this text. That’s just me. I know I’m in the minority.
What about if they’re in your country and a few “civilians” get hurt getting rid of them? Americans always think evil and monsters are in other countries, but it has some of the most destructive living in their own country.
God speed to our warriors??? It’s almost like he knew the outside world was listening in and he wanted to sound like he gives a shit!!! That’s not how men in the MAGA party speak to each other!!!
They won’t address the news story. They will attack the messenger. We have watched this for how long now? Anybody who thinks they can infiltrate the cult and spread truth needs to.
This is always how they've been. Wasn't there an incident at Mar-a-lago during the transition in early 2017? People having a sensitive national security convo on open cell phones in full view of the guests?
True, but perjury conviction will still cause them to spend $$ on attorney's fees & spend at least some time and effort on their defense cases. A bit of sand in the gears is good, even if the conviction won't stick.
Also, he's been known to let "his" people go to jail, at least briefly, in the past
We've got a bunch of crooked individuals within the Trump administration. America is in for a long ride until 2028. This is what you call a criminal enterprise.
Somehow the visual of JD Vance fucking the couch like a pig is less embarrassing than this text thread. It's also completely legal to fuck the couch where as everything that's transpired within this texting situation is illegal.
So if this is the signal chat they got caught in, how many more of these are happening now all the time? This has to be a regular operating procedure for these idiots to be using signal for all sorts of communication right? They got caught in this one, but there must be so many more.
I wonder how “deep” the erasure of messages go. It used to be said that once in the Ethernet—always in the Ethernet. Are there any experts who can possibly dig deep and resurrect messages? Just a complete novice wondering here…
Good question. Years ago I went to a child abuse training where a federal expert taught us which legal filing (subpoena, court order, etc.) was required for different types of online data. They said that many of the apps which redact posts actually archive everything. Does Signal?
Signal has end to end encryption so the actual device would have to be compromised, and since they were using their personal phones, I’m sure the definitely the Russians, maybe China, and probably Israel, have archives of all this shit. Obviously that’s not super helpful to us. Also, I am sure 1/
that at least one slimy scum bag from that chat was using a separate device to some how capture what was being said in these chats (you can’t screen shot with signal). So if I had subpoena powered be subpoenaing ALL of their devices, and their family’s. 2/2
What I’m seeing is you can screenshot on Signal but it won’t notify others. The Signal support page explains screen security settings to block screenshots being taken on your own phone and blue screens to hide text on your phone.
They do advertise privacy: encryption and no data collection.
Trump guys have been using signal type encrypted messaging apps since at least 2016. The Mueller report mentions difficulty accessing their conversations, probably bc they were automatically deleted. I have to imagine the use expanded for the 2024 election and now Exec branch staff.
Just as bad is that the Trump administration is using unsecured communications channels to prevent government and legal oversight. Every congressional Dem should be raising hell about this, but particularly those on the House and Senate oversight committees!
It is BUCK WILD that they have so little respect for the necessity in a democracy that policy decisions be subject to review through preservation of records - whether bombing Houthi rebels, extorting allies, or stealing Social Security & Medicare.
Isn’t the main problem the fact that they are communicating on a platform that erases records after a set time. The Secretary of State, Secretary of Defence, Chief of Staff deliberately destroying records as per Project 2025’s instructions.
only one of the many problems. Using personal cell phones including bozo billionaire treasury secretary doing that in MOSCOW vs secure govt comms that did not have signal on them
“Let us pause here for a moment to underscore a point. This Signal message shows that the U.S. secretary of defense texted a group that included a phone number unknown to him—Goldberg’s cellphone—at 11:44 a.m. “
By the exact people who are supposed to enforce the laws and regulations. With leadership and lack of expertise like this, we can expect more discipline to unravel.
Just small parts of it would have been considered classified and anybody mishandling it would lose their job and clearance. Taken as a whole the entire thread should be classified top secret. The games they are playing to minimize what they did is embarrassing.
The Trump fool always tries to double down, if he can, and when he's in hot waters, he backs out. Look at the a Tariff wars. He backs out when he can't handle it. He's a first class moron, playing games with top secret military info.
To be fair, this whole text chain is just code for planning a get-together of day drinking disguised as a professional discussion. When you read it in this light, it all makes perfect sense.
"We are currently clean on OPSEC" he said in a chat group on a commercial app with no clearance whatsoever with a reporter added by mistake. This is what happens to bloody amateurs.
Thank you, Jeffrey Goldberg. Not just for being more security conscious than this Administration, but in response to Trump's nasty remarks, I love that you shrugged and said: "It's kind of rude, first they invite me to their chat and then they insult me." I am subscribing to the Atlantic today!
Goldberg is fantastic! Great sense of humor too. The Atlantic is a good publication, I enjoy it. Also, he hosts Washington Weekly on Fri evenings, PBS. Great 25 min show!
They sure like to use the praying for everything. I sometimes wonder if some of them think by using prayer, It makes the evil things they are doing ok.
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Sick fucks.
There’s no one around to enforce discipline or common sense. Things like this are inevitable.
So just stop.
This is what the beginning of the end looks like.
Not a civilian, but in 2011 a Royal Marine was found guilty of murder for killing a wounded Taliban insurgent in Helmand.
Changed to manslaughter with diminished reponsibility.
Hegseth would approve.
And thank you for your service within the medical community
I left the Lutheran Church decades ago, but I do recall that prayer doesn’t work like that.
(just asking questions)
They are vile human beings hungry for power and a blood bath.
We should not be seeing this
Feels like Pete just showing off how he understands 'military stuff'
Go figure.
It now consists almost entirely of memes making fun of Signalgate.
“Hey Bob. Look, here; is that classified material?”
The Signal chat with the “leaders” of tRump’s admin threatens American lives and are now unnecessarily in danger: who knows what else the clowns have discussed our enemies know about. THIS. IS. WHY. WE. MUST. REMOVE. THE. 💩🍊🤡 FROM. OUR. WHITEHOUSE!
WORK STOP!
You! You!
I don't like your boyfriend!
No way! No way!
I think you need a new one!
Hey! Hey!
You! You!
F-18s are en route!
Trouble is the decent people aren’t rioters and the evil people know it.
We’re so fucked.
I’m in the UK and very much see you guys as strong allies but Trump seems to be undoing all of that and with the EU. We’re generally supposed to be the good guys.
I would not be surprised at all if peaceful protesters get detained. It seems to be the opposite of what they seem acceptable. Insurrection is rewarded, and
make sure this information is saved in many places so they can't make it disappear
Hegseth gave the times of the attacks and the types of aircraft.
Enough information for the Yemenis to put anti-aircraft guns in place or take any other measures in readiness.
The GOP is a cult and this kinda crap is what the jerk off to.
Money, power, cruelty. That's it.
They need to be able to understand how things are supposed to work.
What phony blowhards!
🙄
Oh, no you're not......
This AM they tried:
This is all being done to embarrass Trump
Then Goldberg revealed the actual texts so now it's:
They were not WAR plans but they were ATTACK plans
See the difference?
Me, neither
These are Federal Crimes
#WhiskyLeaks
It's outrageous and egregious, and they lied to Congress about it!
The plan is dumb. Dangerous and scary, but also dumb.
Everything these people do is a mix of dangerous and dangerously stupid.
It’s the latter that gives me hope. There are darker times ahead, but things would be even bleaker if they weren’t bumbling idiots.
Because God gave us brains
Can you please ask Maggie and Peter to flood the zone with story, a la Clinton's emails, Biden's senility, and the first Clinton's cock hunt? You know, when you see them getting coffee in the breakroom?
These people are completely disconnected from reality.
NO YOU ARE NOT
Out here broadcasting shit that should be saved for secure spaces and need to know.
Don't believe a damn word of it.
planning a military strike just like a bunch of 12yo boys on Fortnite
I can't even imagine having to have these clowns as a boss. They not only text top-secret classified information that puts lives at risk, but they include emojis.
These people need to stop cosplaying as leaders of national security and go be forgotten again
There is nothing holy about this.
Yep, clean as a whistle!
very dumb of the trump administration to challenge @theatlantic.com into releasing any part of the chain.
if they thought the story would ever go away, their choice failed.
he texted to a journalist.
Performative, barf-inducing, lethal nonsense.
Nothing more satanic than “holy warriors”.
He is telling us who he is.
These children will end us all.
It's got more than 3 weeks left.
Please tell me they're under oath?
Also, he's been known to let "his" people go to jail, at least briefly, in the past
They do advertise privacy: encryption and no data collection.
They complied quickly without question, as he told it.
I hope his step son is ok. ❤️
I will say a prayer for democracy.
🙏
I think I want a bumper sticker with that phrase.
https://bsky.app/profile/ektaka.bsky.social/post/3lld4tpvnz22g
Bondi and Patel need to be fired along with their appointees!!!
By the exact people who are supposed to enforce the laws and regulations. With leadership and lack of expertise like this, we can expect more discipline to unravel.
NOT on fucking COMSEC, though!
Everything else is fair game, in his mind.
Lol.
Lmao, even.
Pathetic and sad
Want to wake up from this nightmare.
👊🇺🇸🔥
That man will find a print out of those emoji’s for the rest of his (hopefully short) career.
How many more of these PCs have they had via Signal? (Does PC mean Private Chat? Presidential Cabinet? Possibly Corrupt? 🤷🏻♀️)