Just a random novelty to me, I don’t think I’ve ever seen the simple existence of non Christian religious thought called “anti Christian” before. Crunchycozygirl really sees haters all around her
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Do you not know what yoga is? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga
"physical, mental, and spiritual practices or disciplines that originated in ancient India, aimed at controlling body and mind to attain various salvation goals, as practiced in the Hindu, Jain, and Buddhist traditions"
This reply seems a bit uncharitable since Yoga in the west isn't usually associated with salvation/religious purposes. Definitions are not set in stone and depend on context
There's a chain of huge fitness clubs in my city that are owned by Evangelicals. They don't allow yoga classes. I've heard rumors that it's either because yoga is too demonic or yoga pants are too sexy.
This is how a lot of the Christians that get whipped up into moral panic think.
In fact they take it a step further and say that if your actions don't in themselves worship god, then you're anti-christian.
Lunatics basically.
Unfortunately a lot of my community are fundies so I hear things are anti-Christian all the time. I've also been advised to avoid stuff that is 'satanic' or 'witchcraft' that's just existing. Also been told that trans people are trans because they are possessed by demons (I am a trans woman)
If it makes you feel any better I've dealt with people who consider everything to be a sin. Anything that doesn't fall within their worldview is wrong or sinful. Just because they don't agree with something means they have to spend their existence making others feel worse. I loath people like that.
look at the knuckledraggers who profess obnoxiously that they're x-tian. the scumvangelists in particular. those are the demons. remember, every accusation is a confession.
always fun hearing people learn about that it's a core tenet of evangelical christianity that any non-christian-originating belief system is inherently anti-christian. if your practice has ever been done in service of or even influenced by other religions it must be Shunned or Cleansed
thankfully it means most christians can't recognize other traditions of thoughts they just look for Bad Words and Aesthetics instead. monster hunter is evil because it has monster in the name. genshin impact with its whole goetic shtick is completely ok
Evangelicals are pretty much trained from the moment they convert/born into it to have a constant victim mentality at any possible thing that challenges their belief system even when it is practically harmless
Jesus ushered in 2000 years of religious intolerance (so far) when he claimed to be the only way to Heaven (and therefore not damnation). That's why a lot of Christians see other religious beliefs not just as alternative viewpoints but as an active spiritual threat to whoever holds them.
The best part is, Jesus never claimed that, neither did the three Synoptic Gospels It was only John, written 60 years later, probably by an original disciple waiting for the second coming (which the Apostles thought would be in their lifetimes) who wrote "I am The Way, The Truth, and The Light.
Which is why people need to look at the historical context of these books. John was written by someone desperate to be right, as an old man, about what he threw his Judaism away for - and it's readily apparent because John is by far the most symbolic,most "Jesus is divine" gospel out there.
Declaring a monopoly on the correct way to worship the One True God is a feature of all Abrahamic religions. Some Christians have made persecution a required part of being a Christian, leading to hysterical depictions of perceived threats.
An ex colleagues wife complained to their kids school about Yoga for this very reason and it was removed from the programming. These people are beyond the pale.
Anything that doesn't recognize christianity as the real, literal, true law of the law is "anti christian" because they're an all-or-nothing religion that is looking for anything to confirm their persecution complex.
I've had multiple people in my life tell me that yoga tricks you into accidentally doing demonic worship, which is just so strange to me. Isn't worship all about what's in your head? Like going "man I love ___" to yourself while doing something in the name of that person what worship is?
If they're implying that the mindset a person has has no bearing on whether or not something is devil worship, then billions of people must be accidentally worshipping the devil on a daily basis, doing basic things like bending over and picking stuff up, doing slightly awkward poses and stuff.
Also, if a pose is universally a sign of "I love Satan" whether or not a person actually does love Satan, how does that work? Is there like a copyright registry in heaven that's like "these are all the evil poses. You can never do these. The devil copyrighted these" it just seems so weird.
This is doubly hilarious if you know the history of (hatha) yoga exercises. They were mostly made in XX century, they were strongly west-influenced, and really do not have much to do with religion. Such people just don't like them because they are not Americo-european.
The funny part is, as an Indian, I have a whole rant about yoga (in the West at least) bastardizing and commercializing Hindu ritual and mindfulness for fitness and faux spirituality.
I once saw a thread on a self-help subreddit by a guy mentioning that he was worried about learning to meditate, because his church teaches him that we should always be thinking about God, and meditation can cause you to have no thoughts at all.
In the South this is pretty common, even secular pop culture stuff like Pokemon and Harry Potter (where they celebrate Christmas!) are treated as idolatry in some churches.
I was taught in my "understanding the times" course at my Christian high-school that yoga is a satanic plot to get Christians to invite demons into their bodies! Are you saying an evangelical high-school miseducated me??
I might be misunderstanding this comment. But they wanted to do a book burning if Harry Potter became it was "witchcraft". Like.... Am I misunderstanding you?
I mean, isnt that true? Every other religion is sinful, by not beliving in one true god and isntead in some demons (and demons are evil and anti-god). Also, the more people belive in non christian religions, the less people belive in christianity.
That’s just like meditation is a part of Buddhism, but also is talked about in the Bible but Christians never do it. Majority of the time the people that spoke to God, did it through meditation. It doesn’t have to be one or the other, it can be all.
There are entire cross fit churches and they're filled to the brim with angry, insane white people. My neighbors used to scream at each other every single day. Like the whole block heard.
They only started that shit after they started at the cross fit church. Pretty sure they were giving out roids.
I said "used to". They moved earlier this year. I am certain they're still yelling at each other every day and it breaks my heart to admit, but I honestly won't be shocked to read about something awful happening in the future. Scary shit.
At least in the us there was a whole “think of the children” Christian moral panic in the…90s? 00s? Over kids doing yoga in school. Cruchcozygirl definitely not an outlier in American culture
Seeing some responses like “obviously evangelical Christians are opposed to and rude about non Christian thought” yeah that’s not what was novel to me. It’s the unique phrase “anti Christian” that I found funny, as though every faith on earth represents a referendum on Christ
Deep down most extremists belonging to a Christian denomination think that other christian schools of though are wrong and heretical. Like with Orthodox Christians calling the pope woke and gay. Other Christians just aren’t their primary enemy.
From an ex-Christian perspective, you're finding funny something pretty fundamental about how the insiders think. Yes, the mere existence of any non-deferential-to-our-theology perspective is threatening to them.
Many evangelicals consider Christianity to be utterly self-evident, like if you raised a baby in isolation it would naturally just be a Christian. It's wild
Islam also has the concept of 'reversion' instead of 'conversion' so it's pretty common (and theologically sorta necessary) among religions that consider themselves a human universal.
I think its more about polytheistic religions. I think christians are much more chill with Judeism and Islam compared to hinduism, etc. I think its the commonality in „source material“ that they see as proof of their faith compared to „fake“ religions that lead people astray.
I'm going to disagree, never at any point have fundamentalist Christians been chill about Jews and Muslims. They're sometimes allies of convenience (PragerU's "Judeo-Christian values" or the way the manosphere covers both conservative Christianity and Islam), but they're not more chill with them
fundamental christians are never chill, but abrahamic religions aren’t their primary enemy. There is a hirarchy of heretical thought. Polytheistic religions, etc. > Abrahamic religions > other christian denominations
The thing is, fundamentalists are extremely incurious about the inner workings of other religions and denominations. Demon worship is demon worship, it's all putting grievances aside for convenience. If it makes sense to ally with Hindus against Muslims or with Muslims against Catholics they will.
This was a sentiment I heard back in 2008-2012ish, but also I was deeply steeped in hyper-christian rhetoric at the time having gone to a shitty private christian high school.
Me going to the Atheist convention to meet my evil atheist friends and create a long overly complicated plan on how to end religion around the world /j
Yeah... that's literally what they believe, unfortunately. Judaism/Christianity *must* be the most ancient religion, the correct religion, and any other religion is a manipulation of God’s truth or a deliberate deception to distract from Christianity 🙃
Having grown up with Christians, a lot of them have a huge persecution complex that is only fueled by the fact that christians where thrown to the lions at some point, so it's true for always and ever and finally they can feel oppressed.
So of course, everyone and everything is out to get them just by default. After all the pharao chased them after they left Egypt, you know?? And in Sosom and Gomorrah they had a really bad time as well!! Everyone hates Christians 😥!!!
I'm surprised you found it novel, cause that sentiment is very real inside the evangelical community. It's not just a different faith, it's an active agent of the devil trying to tempt your soul away from the Lord™
I go to a yoga session each week that’s paid for by NDIS, the Australian National Disability Insurance Scheme. This lady would be freaking out that a foreign country’s government is enabling me to attend yoga that often ends with chanting OM.
We'll it's because their enemy isn't the lack of religion, it's Satan. This everything that isn't actively praising Christ is the Devil and is a trick. When they are afraid of atheists it's not because they're scared of irreligon it's because they think we've been tricked by the Devil. Same thing.
Apparently "Christian Yoga" studios are a thing, or at least they were in Phoenix when I spent a summer there in 09, so I don't see why she can't do that.
What's weird about Christianity in America is that they have to find reasons to make themselves feel marginalized. The God's not Dead movies legit just make up nonsense situations that don't exist to make the widest spread religion in the world look like a minority group.
Imo self victimization plays an integral role in the Evangelical identity. Moral superiority is a key feature of the Christian identity broadly; which according to the Gospels is earned via practiced empathy. In the absence of that Evangelicals substitute with the superiority of the victim.
I really think we should all be inventing more false gods who command you to do relatively normal things that are either useful or fun, and then casting our performance of those acts as ways of undermining Christianity, just to see how many dumb complications and workarounds they come up with.
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Ppl like that have much more in common with the guys in the Taliban/IS etc then they might care to admit.Nothing but total unquestioning acceptance of their beliefs is permitted.
they usually keep that part of their foul ideology quiet, but like it's basically the third thing the bible tells you, after 'human are born evil and must be punished' and 'listen to your dad'
In 2013, an elementary school on CA got sued for teaching children religion by a christians
They were learning yoga and mindfullness. Another lawsuit happened in Georgia in 2014 saying yoga was inherently teaching eastern religion and spreading divisiveness. A few more I believe sprung up.
Don't worry.
You all worship the wrong God's.
But no one goes to hell.
Why?
Because it's all made up nonsense to scare you into obedience.
Have a nice day and lots of hot yoga.
Christianity is a piss poor religion; always having anxiety attacks and delusions about other peoples motivations for not being christian- when most of are decided non religious because christians are weirdos.
if youre a normal person believing in christ this post is not about you.
Oh no this was a very common belief among conservative Christians when I was growing up. Yoga's incorporation of meditation/mindfulness was seen as demonic, and Christian author Frank Peretti heavily implied that public schools were intentionally trying to introduce children to demons by doing +
meditation during school (I don't know what public elementary schools ever taught meditation as a class, but I think some PE classes have done yoga) as part of the secularist goal of destroying Christianity. I don't think this belief is quite as prevalent nowadays but I'm not surprised to see it. +
It's funny you say that, because growing up in it, my first thought was "of course she would feel that way." I've heard almost this exact thing about yoga before. Absence of Christianity is treated as persecution.
The weirdest part to me is the implication that she would do the same exact physical movements without issue if the presentation was different. Like, just imagine it's different if that's a problem for you?
it's weird common, my mom (who hasn't stepped on a church in 5 years) removed the cute little decorative mirrors from our entire house because someone on Instagram told her that was a feng shui thing and she got super offended something "from the devil" was in her house
What happens is that something bad happens in their life and they quickly blame it on the least Christian action that they've committed. They think that they're jinxed by music lyrics, foreign mirrors, or yoga stretches
They don't realize that bad events will happen regardless of what they do
yeah you're right, it's a combo of magical thinking and "us vs them" mentality that tricks you into looking for "sins" that can justify why life is not going well, and the sin can be that "betrayal"
I tried to get my mom to go to a yoga class with me and she said she couldn't because she's christian. I think they're being told not to do it from the church
In my youth I went to a Lutheran church. There was a woman in her 40's who had down syndrome and used yoga tapes as her daily exercise. She cried for an hour when the pastor told her it was devil worship and she needed to stop. It was the first time I saw a priest as evil.
When I was a kid, I was told I couldn't play Final Fantasy because it "had magic and hence was THE DEVIL." Fortunately, I ignored God's strange obsession with the bytes that apparently threatened him.
Get raised in fundie land and it’s pretty common. Literally “someone from another country gave me a gift, but I think it’s an idol so I have to get rid of it” was a common one.
I've seen Evagelicals expressing this before. I believe a particular fitness scammer turned christian influencer said yoga and tarrot and just horror movies were the devil and will invite in demons
I thought this was common in extremely religious christians? I‘ve had a former friend who called non-abrahamic religions „devil religions“ directly positioning them as oposed to christianity.
The **** is still on Shitter--of course she thinks everyone else lives for hate the way SHE does. What else is still there besides Nazis, ChristoFASCISTS, and hatemongering bigots?
NOTHING.
I want to go to whatever yoga this paranoid lady’s whining about. I’ve never seen a yoga class that asked me to renounce Jesus and embrace Baal, the betrayer. I think that would be a hoot!
Lmao imagine if christianity is real and you're there getting judged in the afterlife and you get told 'sorry you have to go to hell, you did yoga in the new year.' That shit is funny. God it really is a cult.
I’ll never understand robbing yourself of something you very much want to enjoy because of something like this. Does she think the Lord will deny her access at the pearly gates because she did yoga???
Which is crazy to me, since the Christian God basically finds everything to be a sin. Tattoos? Sin. Wearing different thread count clothes? Sin. Worshipping idols *ahem* SIN!
No, but you see, those other “sins” don’t really count. The only sins that matter are having different beliefs than me, being gay, having sex outside of marriage, being trans, and being woke.
It’s really funny how everything God considers a sin corresponds perfectly with my own beliefs…
well, not even. Because this lady clearly isn't that invested in the sinfulness of yoga. But the power you perceive God as having is proportional to the power he has over you. It's easier to believe that God oens the whole world and has given it all to you if he controls every aspect of your life.
Then you get into that whole whacky "Saved By Grace" thing, where evanjellies are saved regardless of their sin, simply by their faith existing. The whole idea of sins and good works counting is much more Catholic if anything. But they can apply all these things selectively/situationally
What I was taught in my Christian upbringing is that any religion/belief system that is not explicitly Christian is actually a worldly/satanic one in disguise. That way, they can implicitly dismiss any other belief as being mislead by Satan, which is anti-Christian
That's the victim mindset of the modern Christian writ large. If it's not Christian, it can't be tolerated to exist because its existence is "anti-christian".
You know what morals are not in the Bible: that people are not property, and the age of consent, to name a few.
War crimes are war crimes, no matter who commits them or what they call it. If we’re debating semantics while people are being hurt, then we've already lost the plot.
on a trip to down east maine 20 years ago i was chatting with a girl my age (early 20s). i mentioned yoga and she said "that there is the devil's work" in the most pepperidge farm voice i'd ever heard.
By curiosity, is that piece of garbage catholic or evangelical ? I mean, they hate each other with passion, the first calling the second "heretics" and the second calling the Pope "antichrist"...
It’s extremely common for radical christians to consider yoga to be devil worship, because of it’s origins in eastern religious practice. I grew up around talk like this.
Oh it's always been that way, kind of a "you are with us or you are against us" mentality. I mean, they did manage to "conquer" most the earth with their religion at one time or another so .. guess it worked?
This is why a lot of the civilised world is content to watch
'murrica burn. Shame your cuck-president's gonna end up giving a lot to Russia in the process.
I don’t know yoga at all but I feel like this suppose to be a joke cause “My body is a temple” or something… or at least I hope it’s suppose to be a joke
I grew up Catholic so I've seen this and a million rebuttals so many times for so many things. Best class my Catholic high school offered was a world religions class where a rogue universalist on faculty basically taught ways to rationalize a syncretic accord for things like this.
To be fair, one of Christianity's fundamental tenants is that it's the only correct religion and everyone should be converted to it. Base Christianity is fundamentally a pretty evil cultish worldview. That's why there are so many progressive-ish splinter churches - resolve that cognitive dissonance
It's pretty much unique to Christianity and Islam. Missionaries just aren't much of a thing in most other traditions. (That's probably why almost half of humans identify as either Christian or Muslim.)
This is why they think there's a "war on christmas". Just the acknowledgement of other religions and winter holidays is anti-christian to them because it means you think it's normal/acceptable for people to not be christian; which means you think it's normal/acceptable for people to worship satan.
Remember Trump’s first term in office, when we were told to hate all Muslims? Then, it was all asylum seekers, then all immigrants.
This time, hatred is expressed toward transgender youth, anyone resembling Latino.
Not Christian. At all.
When they say "namaste". It means "I bow to you", and clearly, you're only supposed to be bowing to god. But also, these sort of people think anything that isn't explicitly christian is some kind of plot by satan to draw you away from christianity.
it's also foreign and so *strange* and *suspicious*, created by people that are probably morally dubious, so tends to be either passively or very actively racist as well
Yoga has been appropriated by gyms from Hinduism. But, hey, why not go to a 5000-year-old spiritual practice originating in Rishikesh, India, then bitch about how it's not Christian? When you walk into a studio devoted to the practice of yoga, you are exposing yourself to Hinduism.
Technically it's a bit more complicated than that, there's an implication of divinity in the "you." I've always translated it as "I bow to the divine in you" or "I bow to the god in you."
Ima Christian non denomination. Listen, folks' faith by fear isn't faith. It's control. I'm sick of all these fanatics giving Christians a bad name. Do your yoga clear your mind and your hearts.
When I was a kid, I checked out some yoga books from the library and my dad lectured me about how yoga is the work of the devil but he respected public libraries too much to burn the books
Well @crunchycozygirl, hold on tight. All things Halloween are anti-christian too then. So is your precious Christmas tree. And let's not forget the Easter Bunny and all those yummy eggs. FFS!
Not a yogi, but can't you just do yoga stretches without all the mantras and chants? If your a Christian, just replace those bits with the lords prayer or whatever.
I and millions of people like me grew up in a household where this idea was not just expressed frequently, but was indeed the cornerstone of our worldview. It's the idea that anything not explicitly Christian is literally the work of demons following the orders of Satan to persecute Christians.
I should say we grew up in *households like that. As far as I know, my childhood home was not also home to millions of other evangelical Christian children
When a core part of your religion is based on it's forming members being executed and discriminated against one response to hypocrisy is to double down and see yourself as a victim rather than have to face and deal with that hypocrisy. I say this as a Christian who is absolutely disgusted by this.
This is awesome because, if you actually read the Bible, it says go ahead and take the foods offered with praise to other gods, it’s okay. God knows your heart.
Honestly, it’s hard not to see most religions as the same—just interpreted differently based on culture and needed food safety rules.
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"physical, mental, and spiritual practices or disciplines that originated in ancient India, aimed at controlling body and mind to attain various salvation goals, as practiced in the Hindu, Jain, and Buddhist traditions"
In fact they take it a step further and say that if your actions don't in themselves worship god, then you're anti-christian.
Lunatics basically.
Yeah because there's a real one who watches you mastrubate
Basically anything that teaches self-reliance or develops one's inner resources is suspect, might lead to worshipping "false gods."
(Psst. The false god is you.)
They only started that shit after they started at the cross fit church. Pretty sure they were giving out roids.
Me: "Got it, hot yoga and genre fantasy, and remove everyone I personally dislike from the public square so I can hurt them"
“Oh ye of little faith, why so afraid of yoga and the stretching your meat vehicle?”
That hit song on the radio? It’s trying to tear down your faith!
That popular novel? It wants to make baby Jesus cry!
The mantra was:
“If it’s not for us it’s against us.”
The former would project that yoga has an opinion about christianity, the latter might mean that it will lead you to follow the/an antichrist.
Religious people: "oh so you want to murder us now? Typical violent atheist"
Me: no that's...
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Specially, but not exclusivelly, by evangelicals.
They talk about living in a "anti-christian world" for maybe decades now.
Recently they also talk about a so called "anti-christian prejudice"
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That's why they have to exterminate every other religion, it can't compete.
They were learning yoga and mindfullness. Another lawsuit happened in Georgia in 2014 saying yoga was inherently teaching eastern religion and spreading divisiveness. A few more I believe sprung up.
"Anything that isn't explicitly christian is anti-christian".
You all worship the wrong God's.
But no one goes to hell.
Why?
Because it's all made up nonsense to scare you into obedience.
Have a nice day and lots of hot yoga.
if youre a normal person believing in christ this post is not about you.
They don't realize that bad events will happen regardless of what they do
It doesn't work, just makes you more misanthropic and miserable.
You should check out Praise Moves and their Truth About Yoga stuff. Also there are various Christian martial arts groups that have similar sentiments.
Once zealotry hits a certain level, anything not lock-step is considered anti
NOTHING.
Period.
FIFY.
It’s really funny how everything God considers a sin corresponds perfectly with my own beliefs…
You know what morals are not in the Bible: that people are not property, and the age of consent, to name a few.
I didn't see how your statement followed from mine.
I find in situations like this it's best to just assume I did "a stupid" :)
By the way, "false god" is a nice pleonasm.
Love the LGBT community;
Matthew 19:12 says God prefers same-sex marriage.
Don't attend fake churches;
Malachi 3:8 is telling the thieving ministers to return the money.
God will destroy the land until fake ministers repent.
Those that remain live FOREVER.
Like, I'm sorry girl, but the world doesn't revolve around you and your religion, lol.
What would Jesus say... apart from "lady, you have nothing to do with me, and clearly didn't understand a word I said.."
what MAGA thinks.
'murrica burn. Shame your cuck-president's gonna end up giving a lot to Russia in the process.
This time, hatred is expressed toward transgender youth, anyone resembling Latino.
Not Christian. At all.
She can just do it at home, not say the words and stop bitchin like a little victim complex addict.
Honestly, it’s hard not to see most religions as the same—just interpreted differently based on culture and needed food safety rules.
reminds me of this banger