Symbolic gesture only.
Many Russian politicians did things like this at first when Putin got in.
Of course they are all dead now.
Americans need to wake up
That's not how insurance works. They only consider the statistical chances of a vehicle receiving damage based off of historical data. Its a field remarkably devoid of politics
Which is another way of saying that if they keep suffering serious damage in various ways, even if inflicted by Person Or Persons Unknown, they will become more or less uninsurable. As I understand it Teslas have lots of expensive sensors that are vulnerable to damage.
Well, most insurances won't cover cybertrucks, and I think you have to pay through the nose for any other Tesla to be covered due to all the issues with... everything.
Itβs never going to pass but this is the kind of legislation Dems need to keep putting forward to keep the conversation going and continuing to show whatβs going on to the public.
True, but itβs also not enough for Dems to just push these - they need to be media blitzing these efforts, nailing the messaging getting out to constituents. If the bill fails, it needs to do so as an act that is deeply unpopular with the American public. If you vote this down you should feel heat.
AND Dem leadership (Jeffries, Schumer) need to stop the bitchy school child running for 8th grade class president routine. Stop worrying about 'decorum' and get out there with energy! (Which seems impossible for them, AFAIK)
THIS exactly, Dems need to poach the amoral political strategists from GOP camp by outbidding them. They're mercenaries, they'll move where the money is, and left-leaning groups are notoriously bad at managing optics solo.
This is fooling around, performative bullshit; until and unless democrats hit the road and act at ground level, and use the law to block the illegals, nothing will change.
Sadly that line is distant, it is why "bread and Ciruces" works. Historicly a population will not rise up, risking all they have amd all they might have in the future, until they feel truly threatened. That line is food, if enough, a strong majority (70% or so) fear for the ability eat, revolution
Bravely resist. Every time Trump attempts something that does not go well (like tariffs), he backtracks. This is our key to victory. He emotionally NEEDS the people to love and admire him. Very loudly DON'T do either of those for him by any word or deed, unless it benefits the people.
"Last year, Elon Musk spent more than a quarter of a billion dollars to help elect Donald Trump. Since Election Day, he has become $154 billion richer, a nearly 600x return on his investment."
on election day, tsla opened at 247.34. after Trump won, Tesla's stock price exploded. it still hasn't lost all that increase. here's hoping... down to 262.67 now. just a bit more to go...
Aw, an acronym! Cute, and so creative. Iβm so pwoud of my widdle democrats with their outfits for pink day, their little auction signs where they tried to bid on the future of democracy and lost, now a creative writing project?! What an entirely useless little group of clever clever cuties!
They aren't in power. They're in the minority.
They'd have to peel off Republican congress members to pass anything.
Face it, a majoeity of voters voted for Republicans to win.
Real question, what actions did you have in mind?
Walking out with Al Green. NOT voting to censure him. Setting up protests. Setting up town halls. Getting on the news. Getting out in the streets. Protesting at the capitol. ANYTHING.
This!! π― π― These pathetic little βwittyβ attempts at βresistingβ are infuriating. Limp dick energy across the entire Dem party (with a few exceptions!) It really is on us the people now. I have never felt more betrayed.
Exactly. This whole βour hands are tiedβ bullshit isnβt flying anymore. We elected these officials to fight for us. Not twiddle their thumbs while tweeting thoughts and prayers.
Sunday morning all the talk shows will have Republicans on them promoting Trump's agenda. Democrats need to be on these shows to counteract and promote alternate proposals. /2
I agree Dems have to do something. It isn't enough to propose a bill if the public doesn't know about it. They need to get on traditional media and new social media like Bluesky to promote their proposed bills and ideas to combat the current administration's agenda. /1
Wasn't there like 10 shitheads who voted to censure? Stop acting like all of the Democrats did that lmao. It's the same as when every Dem but one or two votes for something and you all blame the entire party for shit not passing or getting done.
Anything other than scolding those speaking up against nazis. Listening to Americans would have been a great start! I love AOC, but she specifically made a post here asking the public what they'd like to see happen at Trump's address from Dems, and the entire post essentially was made for 0 reason.
Itβs cute how many dumb Americans cannot conceive of someone criticizing their Democrats who isnβt just a Republican. I am a Canadian leftist, and if you had grown up in a country with a proper education system you wouldβve picked up on the intentional spelling mistakes in order to be condescending
It's a nice idea but unless republicans are going to cross the aisle & vote with democrats, this and any other bill proposed by democrats will never pass.
Democrats alone do not have the votes to pass any legislation.
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Judges don't pass legislation. It goes through the House, then through the Senate, then through the president. It might fail in any of those. If it passes all three, it becomes law. A judge might pause or block it only if it is challenged in a suit. None of this happens by Monday.
Pocan is a great rep. He is holding town halls in his district right on the borders and inviting republican voters to come and ask questions since their republican reps will not.
Wierd they didn't do something like raise billionaires taxes or end citizens United or special intrest money, when they had the house, the senate and the presidency!
So to satisfy you Dems would have had to write and pass legislation to fix Citizens United in less than 2 years, despite that being a decision rooted in 1st Amendment jurisprudence, so not something congress can fix in a pinch.
If you had the long view, you might be a bit more understanding. I joined the democratic party in 1979. Since then, it has abandoned the majority of its core principles. In the 90s, it abandoned labor, choosing to chase corporate cash instead. Sans a moral core, the party remains rudderless.
Good question honestly, but attempting good answer:
The TCJA had some honest reform improvements, so it didn't make sense to repeal it entirely. Biden's plan was to let it expire in 2025 as planned, and aim to replace it while keeping the exemption. https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/131/General-Explanations-FY2024.pdf
In fairness, introducing bills they know wonβt pass is how Republicans have been fighting against Obamacare, abortion, and equal rights for my entire life. Showing people youβre willing to fight for your values even when you know youβll lose is how you build up the momentum to eventually win.
Now, in order for this to actually WORK, they have to keep being persistent and keep pushing it until itβs politically viable, and then actually PASS it once it is. Will Dems have the spine to put in the work for that long? To YOUR point, probably not.
And whose fault is that. Voters. So let them try and maybe some republicans will grow a set and back it. Cause musk isnβt doing their party any favors right now.
βGetting them on the recordβ doesnβt really work anymore considering the Republican Party has a robust and unchecked propaganda network that basically drags the base wherever the party wants to take them.
But the base isn't enough people to get them re-elected. Hopefully the non-magas will wake up and vote for their own interests and no longer believe their lies.
mh, I think they are already in the phase where they use those legit but no-end initiatives as a way to prove they have in control the government and can trample laws.
Im so over this rhetoric. Right because McConnell and maga gop got nothing g done when they didnβt have the numbers either right ??? Like have you not witnessed the maga LEGAL obstructionist agenda these last 10 + years??
Donβt buy their bs. They couldβve shut down the speech the other night. Joined in protest with Al Green and made them escort each one if them out one by one. They all sat silent and poker faced. Even Crockett. π€¦πΌββοΈ. Do ANYTHING !!
what I cannot understand is the minority leader calling for restraint. wtaf. in the current historical moment. And why he's not being kicked out? The whole dem leadership incommunicado. Is Harris even alive? Any comment from Waltz? Schumer voted against Al Green. unbelievable.
If you support this bill, please don't just share on this forum. Tell your reps in DC. They are the only ones who actually decide. It only takes few minutes and it doesn't cost any money. We don't need money in politics. We just need people participate. https://www.nationalfinancialplan.com
And why not have a mental health assessment of every president before he officially takes office, carried out by an independent advisory committee of psychiatrists and neurologists? π
F!ck! Come on guys, don't go jump of joy when you know the bill won't pass. Can we remember who's in control here and how many of them are brownosers? There, you've got it.
There are Republicans in both chambers who very much dislike Musk. They just couldn't say it in front of everyone in the meeting at the White House when Trump asked them. They are spineless.
An employee of the government should not have access to government contracts. It is the pure definition of a conflict of interest.
The problem is that this whole Republican Administration is actually composed of outlaws starting with Stupid in Chief. #fireMusk #cancelMuskContracts
That's OK. But, they need to make a bigger deal about it. Lots of talk about Congress and inside trading. Make a big deal about a non-elected person involved with policies and cuts while still doing business with the government. Talk shows. Podcasts. Make Musk uncomfortable. And, Trump.
Thatβs great, but theyβve already shown their deceitful tactics by saying heβs not in charge/involved. We all know they are lying but will it matter?
theatre is important in politics. When required to take care of some task we reach for the tool in easy reach, or the one that is most comfortable in our hands. At least he is doing something. Other Democrats need to throw off inertia.
I'm glad they are introducing this but you all know it will never get a vote. I am kind of tired of all these people demanding the democrats do things that they have no power to do right now. I'm just as frustrated and scared of this too as you but be reasonable. YOU need to do something.
Performative BS that accomplishes NOTHING. No Republican fascist will vote for this and they control both houses of congress. REAL PEOPLE are being scooped up and put in concentration camps, losing their jobs and their pensions, their homesβ¦we are ALL being robbed of our treasury and our future.
Forget about the name of the bill. This is actually a common sense bill that many Republicans should want to get behind if they arenβt being hypocritical about cutting waste, fraud, and abuse.
The big challenge is getting it to pass (looking at the congressional people who
Voted to censure Greene and senators who green-lit cabinet picks)
How about WE withhold campaign money til they do what we want?
And Republicans also just slap the Democrats in the face by having a close story meeting with musk where there was no Democrat present. So theyβre deliberately holding information and covering things up this should be bipartisan.
need to be holding Republicans accountable for for shirking their duties. Musk is totally skipping over any Congress oversight. And for good reason, heβs breaking laws will have to get the courts to stop him . Republicans sure the hell wonβt they have no integrity they donβt honour their oath.
I think it's a great idea β¦ except for the name. Arguably, naming it specifically for the Musk-ox suggests that the intent is to pass a "Bill of Attainder," which is prohibited by Article I of the Constitution, Sect. 9, Clause 3 ("No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed"). /next
Although the proposed bill's terms don't specifically and solely deprive an individual (Musk) of anything, I recommend we not tempt fate and call it something else. My two cents⦠/end
EM is in a conflict of interestsβactually, multiple conflicts of interests. From what little info I have gathered, it looks as though he is trying to privatize all government services (well, the ones he hasnβt axed) so that they will belong to his companies. Does NASA (eg) still have a budget?
Do what exactly? Intro bills that go nowhere because Dems ainβt got votes to do shit?
Itβs all fucking performative until one of these losers gets arrested taking a federal building or the useless party organizes a general strike.
I donβt wanna hear letβs do diddly shit until itβs real or effective.
I think I heard mention of this back in February, what's taking so long? It's time someone stands up to the man who would be president, since the actual president, trump, is too beholding to him to put a stop to his shenanigans.
This is stupid and we shouldnβt be wasting our time with this. More and more it feels like the Dems are in on this shit show. Play by the republicans rules or shut the fuck up.
I understand your point, but different voices and opinions are necessary in democracy and politics. Perhaps we can find a more effective way to discuss rather than simply categorizing each other.
Witty dems are a little late to the bash musk party. They must have been discussing what party favors to bring to the next bar fight. . For weeks, the could have called DOGE = Deranged Oligarchs Gutting Everything.
I think theyβre just waiting until weβre pushed to the edge and then theyβll step in. The election this year will make all the difference. Some voters that trusted him are starting to see the lies. Right now all we have is SCOTUS
That puts them on the right side of our people's welfare, freedoms, and protection. Hang on, we have some elections this coming up. It will be too slow for most of us, but things wont stay the same. The majority of Americans are dissatisfied with Trump.
They are just anxious,. We are all anxious. But like in a family, you speak your mind to their face, but you don't put them down in public. It is disloyal and counter productive.
Their Musk-bashing is well-timed with the increased frustration America has for him. Just prior to the election, it was only a handful of us that hated his face. Now that his actions threaten Medicaid, the VA, and soc security, a lot more people distrust him specifically. See; R town halls.
NEVER FORGET POORLY EDUCATED MISINFORMED BRAINWASHED EXTREMELY IGNORANT CHRISTIAN NATIONALIST NOTZIS ELECTED THIS RACIST TWICE IMPEACHED 34 FELONY CRIMINAL THIEF CHILD ΟOLESTING ADJUDICATED RAPIST WHO STOLE TOP SECRET CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS THEN SOLD NUCLEAR SECRETS TO SAUDIS FOR $2 BILLION! SICK!!!
I donβt want anyone in the government looting millions. Stop using straw man arguments and tell us why the tangerine turd or the douchebag that canβt jump should.
We have learned a valuable lesson. No more free from prosecution in the oval office. You are an American citizen elected to a term. That person should be held to the same standard as any American citizen.
Yes appreciate if you control both houses no bill can get up. It wonβt get up.
Trump is already reducing Muskβs power and secretaries are attacking him. His power is not what it was a week ago.
Itβs a matter of publicising this and changing votes in two years time. The system can correct this.
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You don't get to confiscate someone's wealth that was accumulated through free business practice and use if for your government expenses. If you think the wealth was criminally accumulated, then there are laws for that, but simply confiscating it a communist practice.
You mean like the same laws that would put someone guilty of 34 felonies in jail? It's almost like laws mean fuck all when the person is a billionaire π€π€π€
And our laws magically enforce themselves the moment they're broken, because Santa is watching everything and knows when you've been naughty. A little know fact is that when he's not delivering presents, Santa is rounding up evildoers in his sleigh and putting them to work at the North Pole.
No, thatβs what happens to people who pay financial penalties for their crimes.
The man is milking the government for billions of dollars in contracts yet also seems to think he should be allowed to decide who else gets any moneyβ¦
Good. Itβs already law that federal government employees cannot also have a financial interest in its activities. You know, the law that applies to everyone except Trump and Musk. So fine, make a law that specifically says Musk canβt do it either
βSpecial government employeesβ (which Trump says Musk is) who are advisors or consultants are exempt under certain conditions, and not considered govt employees. I think heβs up to his eyeballs in conflict of interest though & shouldnβt have been hired.
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Many Russian politicians did things like this at first when Putin got in.
Of course they are all dead now.
Americans need to wake up
The rest of we who see patterns are like "yep, raise those rates, at the rate they're going!"
You know a dealership in France burned?
Those cars catch on fire All The Time.
So stupid. Im pretty sure my cousin made a cooler pine derby vehicle.
You call farmer's,
I will call geico!
Deductible. Sry
Were this any other R leadership in THE PAST, any scandal from Hi-C Hitler would have ended his run before it began.
But we have Meatloaf Mussolini and the old ways will not work.
Itβs not the Supreme Court, itβs Federalistβs #RobertβsCourt.
Not just #CitizensUnited but global business bribing our government.
Itβs #AntiLabor βRight to workβ.
We need to start calling it as it is.
He has some interesting facts about the election
Sad fact, but the majority of Americans voters voted for Republicans.
So, real question, what do you think they can do?
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The only way they get it is to win more seats two years from now.
They'd have to peel off Republican congress members to pass anything.
Face it, a majoeity of voters voted for Republicans to win.
Real question, what actions did you have in mind?
Actions speak louder than words.
Democrats alone do not have the votes to pass any legislation.
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Action would be procedurally slowing or stopping all congressional action.
Yes, Dems should ALSO be slowing the budgetary process as pressure mounts on GOP Senators.
They're not politicians right now.
Politics is dead.
They need to be a resistance or they're just sponges at best, soaking up government money and doing nothing of consequence.
Hint: it was under Obama for two years, and we lost the house in the next midterm.
Instead they passed the ADA.
The TCJA had some honest reform improvements, so it didn't make sense to repeal it entirely. Biden's plan was to let it expire in 2025 as planned, and aim to replace it while keeping the exemption.
https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/131/General-Explanations-FY2024.pdf
The Dems: Helpless little smol beans who can't do anything
Most DemoCraps cower in fear, while RePugs do the jugular thing (and they are 99% of the time killing the wrong thing).
Here we have ONE that has the right idea but no way to make it pass, obviously.
So thanks for playing. π€·
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Maybe they have the courage to do it
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These people have no shame.
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/14/956621191/these-are-the-10-republicans-who-voted-to-impeach-trump
The problem is that this whole Republican Administration is actually composed of outlaws starting with Stupid in Chief. #fireMusk #cancelMuskContracts
Weβre not gonna save our democracy by pwning the cons. Either firebomb the Walmarts or donβt
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They just cannot grasp that someone might play the game not by their familiar, acknowledged rules but by his own.
"What's hardest to perceive is the evidence obscured by a dominant paradigm." Edgar Morin
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They do look better with a dick drawn on them don't they?
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They should reintroduce this when GOP is ready to impeach.
Voted to censure Greene and senators who green-lit cabinet picks)
How about WE withhold campaign money til they do what we want?
Itβs all fucking performative until one of these losers gets arrested taking a federal building or the useless party organizes a general strike.
I donβt wanna hear letβs do diddly shit until itβs real or effective.
https://pocan.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/pocan-introduce-elon-musk-act-ban-federal-government-contracts-special
I can't believe people don't get this.
Organizing protests, getting in good trouble, putting yourself out there as a leader.
That's our only shot.
Anything less is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Kind and intelligent man.
Care to comment @sanders.senate.gov @aoc.bsky.social ?
As AOC has said multiple times there are other reasons to raise bills
other than to get them passed.
https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/policy-issues/How-Bill-Becomes-Law
Trump is already reducing Muskβs power and secretaries are attacking him. His power is not what it was a week ago.
Itβs a matter of publicising this and changing votes in two years time. The system can correct this.
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But do enjoy your fantasy world.
If it were illegal, he would be in jail. π There have been multitudes of documented cases where wealthy Americans never face consequences.
The man is milking the government for billions of dollars in contracts yet also seems to think he should be allowed to decide who else gets any moneyβ¦