Audiobooks count as reading.
Audiobooks count as reading.
Audiobooks count as reading.
Audiobooks count as reading.
Audiobooks count as reading.
Audiobooks count as reading.
Audiobooks count as reading.
Audiobooks count as reading.
Audiobooks count as reading.
Audiobooks count as reading.
Audiobooks count as reading.
Audiobooks count as reading.
Audiobooks count as reading.
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You are getting actually upset over a stupid skeet. Get a grip.
E.g. this is Tor's free online short story archive https://reactormag.com/fictions/original-fiction/
It's the same words in the same order, I get the same story/information. It's the same.
Like taking drugs intravenously instead of orally, they are same chemical, but you don't eat an injection and you don't inject a pill.
You don't read audio, and you don't hear print.
We don't force these corrections in real life because it is pedantic, unnecessary, rude, and utterly meaningless.
It persists in reading due to puritanism.
But scroll far enough back and you'll see that every once in a while they'll collect all the stories and they'll put them in an epub for you to download.
This is now a book. The exact same content is now a short story collection.
All lines are drawn somewhere and it's personal and arbitrary and kinda silly sometimes.
Reading teaches spelling and is a great exercise for the brain. It also requires 100% of your concentration.
I want to find my own subtext, my own interpretation of the art. It matters.
I still like audio, but it isn't reading.
it's ok to listen to books, but they're not the same.
its a matter of preference and nothing else.
Audiobooks, reading with your ears.
Hard copy, reading with your eyes.
Braille is a form of written language. The letters are represented by raised dots. So, to use it, one reads therefore it's reading. Audio books are audio. You can't read sound. You listen to it.
The problem is with the word "reading."
We "read" people with all our senses.
And, according to the dictionary, the act of being literate is not limited simply to written language.
You can learn new words and expose yourself to new ideas with an audiobook.
Why do we read out loud to children before bed? Because brain work is exhausting!
Miscomprehend something in an audiobook and the faff of going back is often too much bother.
This does not support the point you think it does, oral stories were traditionally: very simple
verb
gerund or present participle: reading
/rēd/
1.
look at and comprehend the meaning of (written or printed matter) by mentally interpreting the characters or symbols of which it is composed.
"it's the best novel I've ever read"
“Listening to audiobooks is just as effective for absorbing/ appreciating their content as reading the equivalent books.”
Likely correct.
“Audiobooks count as reading”. What does this even mean?
Reading and listening are different things, obvs
When they say "reading people" It's a metaphor for "decoding" them because reading requires some transformation of the input you're getting
For most, they rarely exceed a rigor of listening akin to walking. Pushing your listening to Olympic levels is possible.
Privilege is a hell of a drug.
The one time I tried listening to a book I was totally distracted by the reader's voice. I like imagining a character's voice.
The key is it’s words firing up you imagination in a sequential way
Following along in a sequential way whether by ears or eyes is still "reading" a book.
"It just *sounds* like..."
Without even realizing it we often use words not by their strictest definition. Who cares?
You feel brail, piece it together and form sentences with meaning.
Hearing words, piecing them together and form sentences with meaning, it’s the same, bar very little you can’t practise in many other ways
Like when you are driving do you just blow right past traffic signs because of this "extra step"
If you have a better word I'm all ears, lol.
Semantics....🙃
Very funny that all these busy people cant read, but they do have a spare 18 hours for what's only a 7-9 hour book
it's not a contentious statement in anyway
They're still books!
As well as a person who doesn't want to drive & read at the same time.
Google neuroplasticity too.
Either, way, they're both good for the imagination.
Furthermore, stories have, obviously, been shared through generations via oral tradition longer than reading.
I definitely loved reading & studying with books, but
I'm grateful for audiobooks.
I think whatever is 'normal' for you is what is right for you (unless you had an issue that needed to, and could, be addressed-- like dyslexia, for example).
I was the first teacher in the school to teach Differentiated Instruction.
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You could crash.
The person who voluntarily crosstrains their brain with different learning pathways is < the person who does so out of adaptive need? How does that make any sense?
Don't gatekeep learning styles. I don't need to prove my worthiness to be valid learning through audio.
There are 10 total peer reviewed articles/studies here in the replies showing the benefits of audiobooks on our brain. There is a consensus in the research that audiobooks are as healthy for our brains as reading a physical book.
It may be that for you personally reading leads to critical engagement more readily than listening, but that's not universal.
But when I listen to an audiobook/podcast, I'm taking in the same exact info, but my eyes are free to create visual images to go along w/the words and I remember the story better.
Your claim statement is just abelism and elitism.
Your experience does not even come close to defining everyone.
I prefer the expression in a voice.
I also have dislexia.
... unfortunately it's only audio now, but at least I still get to enjoy it.
Got it.
Sitting down with a book>audiobook>nothing
We're all on a spectrum of learning & comprehension. The same book/story is experienced through personal filters anyway.
Different neural pathways, similar cortical regions of the brain. After describing the differences & benefits of both, the author ends with 'never stop learning, never stop reading.'
We're just doing what books do...get our juices flowing and expanding our minds.
Audio
Audio...
It’s awesome.
Definitively different, functionally equal.
Wait... you built a pyramid out of cards? 🤩
And yeah, heh. I made it to six storeys once. Not quite big enough to house royalty.
6 stories! Yowza. I doubt I could make a 1-story house.
out to me, ha. And #2…I have a lot of driving in my life and love how they help to pass the time and I get a great book READ💙
Listening IS NOT reading!
Reading count as reading, audiobook is listening.
Two different thing that stimulate two different area of the brain, similar but not the same, at all.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/audiobooks-or-reading-to-our-brains-it-doesnt-matter
reading is reading.
listening is listening.
I agree modality doesn’t matter with regards to learning. I support multiple modalities for learning.
but listening is not reading.
definitions don’t change just because you say so
Decoding is the most basic, knowledge based skill involved in the reading process and the easiest to replace/ gap to mitigate.
Analysis, evaluation, synthesis… all higher level reading skills regardless of how decoding occurs.
right ???
there’s nothing wrong with them listening but they’re not the same.
A person listening to an audiobook is being fed the story, the tone, and the impression through the narrator's voice.
A person reading a book is immersing themselves wholly in their own imagination.
Oral storytelling is not only a more rich format, but it directly stimulates the visual cortex.
There are also studies saying that retention is much higher. Probably because it’s one of the most primal mediums of thought
When I listen to the story, my brain visualizes everything.
But cuz of my dyslexia.. when I read.. my brain is mostly struggling with words, so far less mental imagery.
Listening to a story for me is far more immersive
Reading the dialogue from the FL in a book, based on the descriptions, she comes across as witty and maybe a bit dry.
Listening to a narration of the same book, she now sounds like a valley girl cheerleader.
It changes my whole impression. 🤷♀️
However, it is not the same as reading, nor is it the same as watching.
I, for one, don't really do TV or movies; I just don't enjoy them overmuch. 🤷♀️
on the other topic, I wonder about the differences between experiencing a book as approved by the audiobook manufacturers, and engaging with a written book, and all of the decisions you make about those same saspects.
However, I'm in full opposition to the argument that listening to an audiobook is the same as reading.
https://time.com/5388681/audiobooks-reading-books/
How many books a year are you consuming? Physical or audio? My Audible collection has expanded my knowledge exponentially.
I have practically memorized some of them from listening so much.
If it was about Tolkien using Anglo Saxon poetic devices and meter at times when characters were speaking in children of hurin
You would never know it unless the reader was a linguist and knew what to look for and emphasize
that doesn't mean you both took the train there even though you both ended up there.
They just read right over it all missing little rhymes and moments lol
Shut up
That is why they call it media literacy
Nothing wrong with audio books, if your goal is to enjoy a story but reading imparts learning in addition to enjoyment of a story.
We have a word for experiencing an audiobook: It's called listening. It's still a skill, it's no less valid of a way to enjoy a book, but it is a different action.
I love the written word. It takes concentration. It makes me stop everything else and take a vacation from the noise all around us.
Maybe what you are doing isn’t reading since it’s different than what I do?
There's no shame in listening to an audiobook. Be an adult about this.
There have been a few audiobooks when the reader’s voice annoyed me so much it severely impacted my enjoyment of the book.
I am extremely sensitive to voices.
Related FYI: Both Prince Harry & Meghan Markle have phenomenal reading voices.
Archie & Lilibet are lucky kids.
#sussexSquad
it’s NOT reading
Still, who cares? Enjoy however you choose to digest the written word.
But not as reading.
We are much better listeners because we learned it first and it’s always on. To get a workout while listening, you can increase the speed or listen to a language/topic you don’t know well.
I would say reading is “consuming literature” but many seem steadfast that you must use your eyes (or fingers) to bring the literature in.
Somehow, all the “must see to read” people in this thread are baselessly allowing an exception for braille.
Neurologists can't agree on it. So people making definitive statements on social media are skeeting on thin ice.
b) it contains something that isn't true
So, for in all the ways it really matters beyond being able to look at something physical - yeah.
PS, Copying and pasting doesn't add to your word count.
you are conflating reading with educating and learning. reading is visually processing stimuli and deriving meaning from that visual.
someone who is listening to an audio book is engaging in “listening.” which, believe it or not, is a different skill.
If reading instruction consisted only of decoding then it would look very different than it does.
Take it from someone who has taught decoding heavy Orton Gillingham methods.
Decoding is only one skill in the reading process.
Without that step, you are not reading.
if you decide to take that first step via your ears, you are in fact, LISTENING.
Nothing else is possible without decoding.
Every individual should be limited to consume only what they can decode.
Decode first and foremost!
Never comprehend, discuss, apply, evaluate anything you haven’t sounded out for yourself.
(I’m joking, I love audiobooks)
Oh wait, no it doesn't, but you can get to the same destination anyway.
I love to be read to, too! My parents read to us at bed time. Story time in grammar school was one of my favorite things. The mind must be free to roam whether by eye or ear it sight (picture books, art!) 😊
https://archive.org/details/hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-bbcr4
https://www.phillyvoice.com/books-audiobooks-neuroscience-brain-reading-listening/
As if we should have to change our language. English is very verb-centric.
Like. I also say I'm going for a walk despite being a full time WC user. They know what we mean.
It's what falling with style is to flying.
Audiobooks supply voices, inflections, and often sound effects. It is a different, valid experience.
Kevin R. Free -Murderbot Diaries
Kobna Holdbrook-Smith -Rivers of London
Zara Ramm -Time Police and CoSM
William DuFris -Old Man's War
And I note you say “listening.” Not reading.
I rest my case.
Time is money baby $$$
Reading isn't superior.
Audiobooks count as listening.
Reading isn't superior.
Audiobooks count as listening.
Reading isn't superior.
Audiobooks count as listening.
Reading isn't superior.
It's worth acknowledging they're different and require different senses.
the fact that people are asking this question is wild. we have to read thousands of things of day at work, on social media, etc. we (who are able) are constantly engaged with the written word.
(pt 1)
but actively listening to audiobooks engages so many of the critical and creative skills that it takes to read a book on the page outside of the actual written word bit that our constant reading doesn’t. listening to an audiobook isn’t like watching a film with your phone out.
I can only listen to non-fiction books though; I’ve found I can’t really get immersed unless I’m reading a book with my eyeballs.
They think reading is hard, and therefore think audiobooks are cheating.
When someone says they read a book, it's super annoying to have to respond with "I listened to that one too!"
"Reading" is just an easy, common, shorthand.
The only people who are proud of reading "several books a week!" are people who have trouble reading.
It like me proudly announcing I eat over 21 meals a week.
An audiobook is a performance of a book. It’s inherently a different thing.
Because it's audio.
Does a blind person read braille or do they feel it?
If you like audiobooks, that's great! It's a non-issue.
so which is it?
Not everybody who reads is looking to improve their own writing, right?
there IS a definition of reading. and listening is not it.
you can get to the same place of knowledge & understanding via listening. but listening is not reading
I can only surmise that people think if listening is not reading, then listening is not “as good as” reading. and if they prefer listening they are somehow less than.
i just object to manufacturing definitions.
BUT you are LISTENING. you are being read to. you are learning. you are engaging with stories or new information. However, you are not READING
If that is the goal of the original comment, I would edit it to say “Audiobooks count as books”
Not “Audiobooks count as reading”
Movie Adaptations Count As Reading
Movie Adaptations Count As Reading
Movie Adaptations Count As Reading
Movie Adaptations Count As Reading
I generally avoid them and have only read a few
I love the immersion of reading words and find that listening is a different experience
Audios I have read I recommend-Becoming by Michelle Obama
Daisy Jones and the 6- TaylorJenkins Reid, Born a Crime- Noah
But they work different muscle groups. Squats and leg curls both count as exercise. They both make your legs stronger. But they aren’t the same.
Same with audio books. Both count. Both are valid. Both are awesome. Both are books. I LOVE them both.
But they are not the same.
They count as education. learning. enrichment. engaging with new information. a valid means of interacting with published materials.
it is not reading.
there is an accepted definition of “to read”. you can’t just decide to change it.
But they are not the same. They are equally valid. There were times when I couldn’t read* and audiobooks saved me.
But they aren’t the same.
listen to all the audiobooks you want. it’s wonderful. I love them. but it’s LISTENING. not reading.
I merely object to definitions being changed because folks decide it is easier than using language accurately.
these days I just have so little tolerance for made up realities. we need to be able to parse fact from fiction & that starts with understanding words.
The Literary Gestapo is going to get You! 🤣
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They can provide similar experiences. they can end with similar results. but the process of HOW material is consumed (via eyes or ears) is totally distinct.
we need a new word (not reading) for what they are describing.
Like there is a scoreboard?
Also, some people listen to audiobooks while doing work or something else. That’s not reading, that’s background noise.
Easy test for the claim. Take the audiobooks away frim some of my students and see if they can read the same text. Unfortunately, increasingly not.
Which kinda means it's a bad medium for me to actually pick up the language but trade offs.
You read and then your brain turns the text into language is my point. There is an additional codification of language when it is written - outside and independent of language itself...
For the best results, do both.
Except closed caption.
I don’t need to see a word to process it in context.
Don’t project your own processing on others.
Do you feel that the only way to ‘write’ is to formulate letters?
Does typing ‘count’ as writing?
https://help.libbyapp.com/en-us/6165.htm#:~:text=at%20the%20top%20of%20the%20audiobook%20player.&text=to%20highlight%20a%20passage.&text=highlight%2C%20and%20tap-,.,note%20and%20add%20your%20note.
Perhaps focusing less on making others do tasks in ways consistent with how you process and prefer is not encouraging them to pursue information outside of your assignments?
Perhaps allowing that there are many ways to access information and demonstrate learning would help…