Just as a reminder, fatal airline accidents on scheduled commercial flights all but ended around the turn of the century. If you're old enough to remember back before the 90s there was at least one major air catastrophe every year.
Whether we like it or not, the current rate of accidents among small craft and military is actually pretty near normal, just getting a lot of extra attention because everyone is focusing on it.
Large commercial airliner crashes are a different beast, and the DC incident is the big surprise there.
Agree. Small plane crashes often involve pilot error, while airline flight *today* is hugely automated and very controlled.
Many safety features added as a result of past accidents.
An increase in commercial airliner accidents now, would be VERY troubling.
I specified the larger group versus the commercial one for that reason.
There's been a lot more attention on the military and private plane crashes than the normal news cycle would be. Not a bad thing by any means! But it's definitely making the numbers look a lot worse.
Incorrect. They have not started up. There has been one major airline crash this year. Private and military planes are not factored in as they do not follow the same protocol as commercial. News is pushing plane accidents more because it gets clicks, but non-commerical accidents are not uncommon
putting aside that this playbook works for the right broadly and trump specifically (point out the bad, keep pointing to the bad even if its overall not the result of specific actions bc thats complicated and hard to explain) elon is laying off controllers!! we shouldnt expect air safety to improve!
Somehow it'll be Biden's fault and the Deep State...because right wingers are never responsible despite controlling all branches of govt. The evil morons will eat it up.
OR...they'll pull a Trump on Covid and simply stop recording the escalating number of crashes because if you don't record it, it never happened or something.
It’s not just ATC tho, there’s been improvements in everything safety wise (wish I could say the same for convenience and comfort 🙄) (and the easy bumps into first class where did they go)
I am a commercial pilot currently working in Australia and this is another consequence of the trump regime. I will not be bringing my 15+ 7,500+ hours of flying experience back to the U.S. it will now serve Australia. Where they aren’t privatising safety!
We don't need airline safety because air travel is safe. We don't need measles vaccines because no one gets measles. We don't need nuclear regulation because no one uses nukes. We don't need a federal reserve because our currency is stable. We don't need
the governor of Texas said that we don't need abortion because he was going to abolish rape. Instead he loosened the rape laws so that a woman has to prove that she fought back enough to prove it was not consensual. So they have to be beaten to death to meet that requirement
At 18, I went on an international trip to study abroad for a month. I had never flown, was traveling alone &, was terrified. My trip was bookended by both of these crashes 😞
The administration is gutting our government operations. We don’t even have solid info in the status of H1N1 due their three week pause on publishing CDC data. I encourage you to trust your gut and avoid travel to the U.S. Sorry to be a downer.
I’m sure Musk’s 20 year olds are up to the job, along with dismantling the entire government infrastructure and laying off thousands and thousands of staff.
Yeah, I guess at some point they have to intersect with the same airspace as the little people. Maybe they'll start building underground tunnels to go from place to place.
They may have their own ATC at each end, but not during the flight. They're not insulated if another plane doesn't see them, if their route encounters weather and they need to land or reroute. Smug is not an acceptable/ recognized attitude.
And decades of resources devoted to public servants investigating incidents, developing and enforcing regulations, developing approaches for flight safety and monitoring/executing.
PUBLIC SERVANT before “Federal Worker” and, definitely, before/over “bureaucrat”.
Believe that public sympathy and support goes from highly receptive for first toward less care/disdain to second to (irrational, wrongheaded) hatred of last.
That’s true. There were years when my kids were small where I dreaded air travel. That feeling went away for a decade but already I feel that old worry returning.
For context, read about the existing work by Aireon on space-based ADS-B with the Iridium satellite network.
SpaceX did play a role in launching the 2nd-gen Iridium-NEXT satellites, but I would urge the FAA to prevent Elon from meddling in any aviation safety systems.
SpaceX, who blows up a rocket every other week and has completely destroyed both TX’s and FL’s vulnerable coastline as the refuse to clean up their constant toxic mess…
Oh I feel much safer knowing a billionaire who blows up spacecraft without a mention of it to the public and who has multiple lawsuits from his Tesla sled driving cars will be giving his input into air traffic safety. How about looking at the rest of the world?
Why do repubs trust a guy who barely runs his own businesses but posts so many unprofessional comms? There is not one guru of everything. TRUE specialists for each fields of government know the history and learn from lessons of the past, instead of experimenting and saying, "Ooops," all the time.
From a different POV...so does the US not compete contracts anymore? Does Elon get to perform all Gov requirements & services at whatever cost? Where is the $ coming from? Who manages, tests, accepts?
You questions are correct.
I'm waiting for the lawsuits from other companies who would be competing for the same government contracts.
I think taxpayers could sue that government didn't do their due diligence. 🤔
I'm not a lawyer.
The engineers who've blown up how many rockets? Whose starlinks keep falling out of the sky? 120 last yr! Sure...let them play with air traffic control systems. What could go wrong?
ah there it is. we HAD world-class ATC for the last 25 years. now, somehow, we have to pay SpaceX to build us an all-new one that'll be owned by him, not the USA. Just fuckin' great. Won't someone rid me of this meddlesome apartheid-lovin' drug addict?
Basically for any agencies or institution in his way.. the big bully tramples over them and buys them to avoid accountability, to avoid having to comply with any rules, regulations, or processes like everybody else.
FAA NextGen is already in progress. The design, planning, and rollout is occuring, will continue to occur. Congress knows about it, they had public hearings on it, authorized it, paid for it. The private contractors are working on it. https://www.faa.gov/nextgen
This is some scripted bullshit to fool some rubes into thinking they aren't already planning to take over the industry and with fat government contracts.
Not sure, probably. But these crashes are being discussed in the context of “there wasn’t a major airliner crash in over a decade until 1/29” which makes it misleading. I believe these types of smaller aviation disasters happen on a more routine basis
Except that there WASN'T a major airliner crash in over decade. Smaller aircraft operate differently than commercial passenger airlines, you're comparing apples and green beans.
In about 5-7 years enough controllers will be eligible for retirement that the NAS will collapse. This isn’t a new problem and the only headway made was the AT-CTI program rolled out last year.
A reminder that Elon Musk/SpaceX was under investigation by the FAA for more than 60 safety violations before Musk ousted the FAA Chief in what appears to be a retaliatory move, and subsequent takeover of the administration.
Its all shock and awe, while creating a network of incompetent crony appointees who are completely dependent on the clique at the centre of the coup for their coveted but unmerited positions.
Competent people are fired and competent alternatives wouldn’t work for them.
I’m sure the teenage doge boys will be signing up. They think there’s nothing they’re not qualified for.
Background checks? Who needs ‘em?
Security clearances at the highest levels? Grampa Golf is probably passing them out like candy to whoever President Musk says.
Nothing to see here. 😳😳
Agreed. I just have one correction: don't call them teenagers, that's too good for them. Some good teenagers are marching in the streets trying to prevent fascism. Call them what they are-Hitler youth. You willingly work for a Nazi, you're a fucking Nazi.
It appears that Musk, and Musk alone, is gonna end up awarding all federal contracts in existence, to himself...with only HIMSELF in charge of every federal regulatory agency involved...AND eliminating any and all agencies that he personally has no use for.
It's wild that nobody is stopping this
It’s gonna be wild, because from what I can bear to watch, he is wildly incompetent and has no serious understanding of how the government works and what all the grants and programs do.
And the skill set and moral compass of those doge boys is nothing short of terrifying
😳🤦🏻♀️😳🤦🏻♀️😳
My pre-emptive condolences to the families and friends of all those who will take part in the upcoming rapid unscheduled disassemblies of commercial flights.
13 people tragically died when Biden withdrew from Afghanistan, and MAGA went berserk. Musk and Trump killed 67 people, including young figure skaters and their mothers and coaches, and then the many others you mention, and there's no outcry or real blame being assigned.
That’s not the way to look at Afg exit. Republicans started a war they never wanted to end, put it on credit card. 2700+ servicemen died in the process they never really acknowledge and they treat the 13 as if they weren’t still in their war doing their jobs. The 13 were used to shift blame for all.
Totally agree. The blasting of Biden was dishonest and cravenly partisan. It disrespected the lives lost. Especially because it was Trump who invited the Taliban back to power. All I'm saying is Reps and the media gleefully blamed Biden, but no one is blaming Musk and Trump for these air crashes.
Oh my God.
This man actually wants to let weak die and strong win.
He’s destroying ALL departments meant to build safety and security for people.
If they give him control over air traffick NOBODY will ever fly to USA and use American Airlines.
Does anyone think there is any point where Congress might decide to step in and stop this madness? Rhetorical question at this point. There is no line. Just like there is no bottom.
Air travel is the safest mode of travel, far safer than driving, and no country has safer air travel than the US. Whatever they spend on this will be costlier per life saved than if spent on any other mode of transport.
Air traffic control seems to actually be the one utterly cooperative self managing international system that works and that we all benefit from. Only Musk could ruin it
SO not flying anywhere in the US for the foreseeable future. Which might be trivial compared to WW3 or the attempted annexation of Canada hahahahahahahaha omg we're all fucked!
Yup, and FAA grounded SpaceX fucking ass for that. Guess which director was fired as soon as Felon came into power?
And now he want to control air traffic, so he can play as much as he want with his flying dick
George Orwell predicted all this for 1984. Now Musk is collecting all data of all people to feed his AI systems, to create a “big brother”. Why is he 40 years late?
Can you sue Space X now when your plane crashes? Shouldn’t they have like a Board or something to keep employees from making dumb decisions that open them up to massive liability?
Spacex rockets have blown up with far too much regularity . It’s part of their development and learning strategy. Please keep him away from “modernizing” ATC.
Any of the Airlines want to do anything to push back? Because people are going to stop flying if we have more planes crash and they’re the only ones with enough money in the game to be heard.
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@jetblue2.bsky.social Are you kidding me? Direct your efforts to the FAA, Congress, and our rogue president. What is your impact statement about firing folks at the already short-staffed FAA?
Is this the same ELON MUSK whose team of Gen-Z hackers fired all the nuclear engineers, and then realized that they were needed for safety?
DOGE did the same firings at the FAA tower at Washington National Airport, that resulted in the mid-air collision over the Potomac that resulted in 67 deaths.
Its all shock and awe, while creating a network of incompetent crony appointees who are completely dependent on the clique at the centre of the coup for their coveted but unmerited positions.
Competent people are fired and competent alternatives wouldn’t work for them.
Well... shouldn't Congress be pushing for more competitive AI bids? Yeah, it looks corrupt.
Also, there's no way they can immediately slot in a new system. Most sane companies would build the replacement system first before firing everyone. I don't care what your party is, it's bad for anyone.
I hope the media points it out, because no matter how brilliant people paint him... it's just plain stupid.
We wouldn't take people off life support and then tell them we're building a new improved life support system. For air passengers, you don't want less safety staffing without the replacement.
Or firing those in charge of the nuclear then realize you don’t have their emails . Now maybe the silver lining is they don’t have all the data . We know no sane person is going to answer a phone call from an unknown #. I read they asked other employees to get in touch w/ them 🚩
There ought to be a meme pointing out all the clearly stupid things Musk/DOGE is doing... except he'd probably sue people for defamation since he hates being called stupid. Besides enraging him, it would be great to help puncture the myth of his all-around "genius."
So this guy, who isn't an elected to anything, who's space weiners blow up all the time, is now going to take over the FAA? Why isn't someone stopping this?
Curious to see how this effects travel plans & airline stocks. Florida would be hurt if even 10% of Americans wouldn't fly there.
What happens if the next plane crash is a MLB team, or an NCAA contender?
Absolutely! But the MAGA demographic overlaps more with baseball & basketball fans than with figure skating followers.
Sadly, it won't get better, which can only, if possible, make things worse for the loved ones of those lost.
OK, I have a Tesla with FSD. Up until very recently, every time I engaged FSD, it was so dangerous and I was so frightened that I had to disengage it a short time later. Musk's MO is to overpromise and underdeliver while ignoring his hand-picked engineers. We simply can't trust his judgment.
MJ, what gets launched from Cape Canaveral then? Friends in FL post pics and my sister drove down there last year to watch a launch. That's why I assumed it was from there.
If I was an airline exec I'd be getting drunk with my buddies right now and wondering what I could do to encourage Elon to quit fucking with my bonuses
Its all shock and awe, while creating a network of incompetent crony appointees who are completely dependent on the clique at the centre of the coup for their coveted but unmerited positions.
Competent people are fired and competent alternatives wouldn’t work for them.
Dogie boy needs to be grounded ..
To assist with air safety, all private jets should be grounded immediately, until FAA staffing levels are returned to safe levels.
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Large commercial airliner crashes are a different beast, and the DC incident is the big surprise there.
I just like to be sure people understand the nuances, because propaganda can easily go both ways.
I moreso tend to provide the nuance for the sake of others being able to handle counterpoints or questions from less informed folks when they come up.
Many safety features added as a result of past accidents.
An increase in commercial airliner accidents now, would be VERY troubling.
I specified the larger group versus the commercial one for that reason.
There's been a lot more attention on the military and private plane crashes than the normal news cycle would be. Not a bad thing by any means! But it's definitely making the numbers look a lot worse.
“A dollar, dad! We could make someone a millionaire!”
I'd be dead, son.
..and...
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TCAS and MCAS changed the game. The people working for the FAA are extraordinary. This is not a FAFO zone.
The Chesterton fence strikes again…
Republicans have mastered the art of creating problems only they can solve. It seems there's no bottom to that pit.
Meanwhile Tesla has the worst accident rate of any motor vehicles- what could go wrong..🤦♀️
So far his only policy is firing everyone.
Flawed strategy imo.
Between multiple issues with Boeing planes and the pending enshittification of US ATC, I really don't feel safe making the trip.
What are you concerned about?
The relative safety we’ve enjoyed for decades now was built on the backs of many aviation disasters.
#thankyoufederalworkers #AmericaNeedsOurFederalWorkforce
#ThankYouFeds
PUBLIC SERVANT before “Federal Worker” and, definitely, before/over “bureaucrat”.
Believe that public sympathy and support goes from highly receptive for first toward less care/disdain to second to (irrational, wrongheaded) hatred of last.
I'm sure it's fine lol
SpaceX did play a role in launching the 2nd-gen Iridium-NEXT satellites, but I would urge the FAA to prevent Elon from meddling in any aviation safety systems.
https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/ntsb-silent-on-blackhawks-ads-b-status/
My house being under several flight paths is concerning.
I'm waiting for the lawsuits from other companies who would be competing for the same government contracts.
I think taxpayers could sue that government didn't do their due diligence. 🤔
I'm not a lawyer.
Typos suck.
Need a landing? Say a prayer.
The experts vanished into air.
It’s nothing personal—just insane.
Hope you survive your next plane!
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highest-fatal-accident-rate-of-all-auto-brands-study/
Surprise the former uber educated Tesla base fell for this piece of 💩
We need a re-do of that election WITHOUT voter suppression, ballot rejections, and gerrymandering!
Anyone get the reference?
But sure, soliciting randos to work a clean sheet with SpaceX engineers in their voluminous down time (haha) is definitely the trick.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2yyxrz9kvo.amp
https://www.faa.gov/nextgen
(7 crashes/significant instances, in 4 weeks)
Due to FAA screwups? No.
This is what y'all voted for.
Competent people are fired and competent alternatives wouldn’t work for them.
It won’t end will, will it?
Now airlines will be using self driving car software.
Good thing there's no history of Tesla cars crashing into things.
Background checks? Who needs ‘em?
Security clearances at the highest levels? Grampa Golf is probably passing them out like candy to whoever President Musk says.
Nothing to see here. 😳😳
They are Hitler youth.
It's wild that nobody is stopping this
And the skill set and moral compass of those doge boys is nothing short of terrifying
😳🤦🏻♀️😳🤦🏻♀️😳
As long as the planes don't crash into each other, the system works exactly as well as everywhere else in the world, and there's nothing to envy.
He is evil. He is a hack. People will die.
Will this be the "Killer" app for AI?
This man actually wants to let weak die and strong win.
He’s destroying ALL departments meant to build safety and security for people.
If they give him control over air traffick NOBODY will ever fly to USA and use American Airlines.
Or does Elmo simply get an unlimited bucket of money to do whatever?
This is better than bankrupting casinos.
But policy analysis is for pussies.
Let’s make this website go viral… it says the quiet part out loud without saying the quiet part out loud.
El🤡n, the DOGE dick…
https://www.HeisAdick.com
And now he want to control air traffic, so he can play as much as he want with his flying dick
Compared to how many successes?
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Good luck America. Hope you weren’t counting on a rosy future.
DOGE did the same firings at the FAA tower at Washington National Airport, that resulted in the mid-air collision over the Potomac that resulted in 67 deaths.
Competent people are fired and competent alternatives wouldn’t work for them.
It won’t end will, will it?
Also, there's no way they can immediately slot in a new system. Most sane companies would build the replacement system first before firing everyone. I don't care what your party is, it's bad for anyone.
We wouldn't take people off life support and then tell them we're building a new improved life support system. For air passengers, you don't want less safety staffing without the replacement.
What happens if the next plane crash is a MLB team, or an NCAA contender?
Sadly, it won't get better, which can only, if possible, make things worse for the loved ones of those lost.
And does that mean we're going to fund the FAA and ATC with the billions we've given Space X to blow up rockets?
Besides do I want indentured servants on H1B visas running our air traffic?
It's an area stupid with racists and MAGA, yes, nuke the site from orbit just to be sure...
Sometimes private firms will have a commercial payload on a NASA vehicle which might be it.
No airlines
no airfare
no airports
no plane tickets
no no no.
Competent people are fired and competent alternatives wouldn’t work for them.
It won’t end will, will it?
To assist with air safety, all private jets should be grounded immediately, until FAA staffing levels are returned to safe levels.
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