I’m thinking they could have started the fires themselves since no one wants their swasticars anyway. Insurance scam would be one way they might choose from a criminal business perspective to get reimbursed for cars they can’t sell. What a shit show.
It is...but critical thinking also requires following the facts wherever they take you, and in this case they take you to "Tesla 'dealerships' are actually showrooms owned by Tesla, not by local businessmen with an incentive to run them as bust-out frauds"
There was some discussion about this in your previous thread; Tesla storefronts aren’t dealerships in the traditional sense. They’re not franchises. But they are managed by Tesla employees with performance metrics to meet.
None, the insurance pay out isn't going to cover the PR damage and its going to get investigated by the fire department and local PD. This kind of conspiracy thinking is right up there with pizza gate.
Given Tesla's record of criminality in Canada to save their ass (fraudulently claimed massive sales 72 hours before rebate program ended), it's not a stretch to wonder if they torched their own dealer lots for insurance claims.
My first thought was maybe agitators, but yes, insurance fire would make a lot of sense.
There were anti-semite incidents in Sydney, in the heat of the Palestine protests. Turned out to be members of a bikie gang hired by "organised crime".
Dealerships are corporate, so likely none. I'd be curious to know what their insurance situation is, though. Telsa seems like the kind of company to do something stupid.
I haven’t checked recently but I think it was more challenging than he anticipated initially. Maybe those insurance companies know why they don’t want to write Teslas.
Wonder how many arson attacks on individual Tesla cars or trucks are also insurance fires by people who don’t want to the social shame of driving Elon Musks #NaziCars or #SwastikaTrucks?
Especially since Musk who’s harming the government for everyone, but the super rich via #Doge
I’ve thought about this as well. More as why it is a dumb thing for a vandal to do, beside the crime part, it actually benefits Musk via insurance reimbursements. It’s like buying the cars u burn.
But yeah the dealers could be doing it themselves. Many failing businesses have attempted this.
I would venture to guess that virtually *all* fires are insurance fires (from individuals who want to get out from under their payment for a depreciating asset) and/or false flag (from people who want to create sympathy for Tesla).
Insurance attacks are one possibility. It’s also possible some are simply a false flag attack from right wing Musk agents who want to try to turn the narrative against peaceful protestors.
False flags are something the fascist right likes. See Bologna station bombing.
But not at all clear they are turning public opinion against the protesters. Trump showed he is a violent terrorist on Jan 6th. He is ignoring the courts and constitution.
Is it possible that he’s had any recent conflicts with employees? Anything like that?
And investors: the folks who’ve supported the venture; any of them have a history of destructive behavior? Any tricky ex-spouses?
I hadn't thought of company insurance I was thinking of individual Tesla vehicle owners deciding they didn't want to take a bath on reselling an unpopular car w/ a car note.
I don't know I assume the 1st claim would be against the repair company's insurance (are they independently owned or part of Tesla). Might be interesting to see what an owner's insurance would pay on a stolen vehicle as a base value
Nah. I’ve been in the property/casualty insurance business for decades. I am not an expert in inventory insurance and large multinational accounts are not my thing, but I know enough to know that it’s more likely Tesla is self-insured to a degree that makes fraud a bad choice even Musk wouldn’t make
because they are not dealerships in the strict sense of the word (like Joe Blow's Chrysler Jeep). These are corporate stores no different than a Walmart/Best Buy/etc). The units on the dealership lots are either owner-owned (waiting on service) or Tesla-owned (waiting to be sold)
I cannot believe they don't just take what theyre given---purportedly they were set up on an order-to-build model (now with backstock stashed all over Creation (not different than Detroit 3 or any other auto mfgr TBQH). If you're happy with the (limited) choices you can get a stock vehicle in a week
Yup. Tesla’s biz model is the manufacturer is the same as the dealer - they are selling direct to consumer. In other dealerships, the manufacturer sells the car to the dealer who sells it to consumer, so the inventory isn’t owned nor always under the dealer’s care, custody and control. So there is
no chance to actually recoup anything on a loss. They would be in theory writing a check for replacement cost to themselves, which…why? They’d be drawing on their own self-insurance reserves
How long before Insurance companies refuse coverage for "acts of terrorism". Not covered in your policy ... sorry. Homeownes in California and other areas know how thes companies operate.
it depends on their insurance. i would surmise that they are not insured at stock price, because the replacement cost to telsa is just cost of goods sold (COGS0). maybe there’s some considerations for transport and interest on financing. bottom line, telsa would not benefit from these fires.
sure, that’s COGS, but you’re not profiting off the fires. and insurance companies do their own investigations. could be years to get paid or have to return money later. plus, there’s risk of being prosecuted by the AG for insurance fraud.
It also occurs to me that setting fire to their own showrooms would further hamper their ability to sell cars, on top of the hampering that Elon's behavior is doing
Since Trump keeps calling it terrorism, and terrorism is an excluded peril in many insurance policies, there’s a not unfunny chance that none of these fires will be insured losses.
Exactly!!! I mean, if you are sitting on a bunch of Teslas, especially Cybertrucks that aren’t selling, seems like a great way to “dispose” of inventory.
In cases of arson they would have to also pay off the local arson investigator who works for the fire department, the local police, and probably also the FBI and BATF (destructive device use). they're not burning their own lots, that's just straight up goofy conspiracy theory on par with Pizzagate
Isn't it interesting that they no longer really complain about antifa any longer? They threw that name out there blaming it for everything for years but now seem afraid to even utter it.
It is as if the numerous Nazi salutes have given them away.
They are the first ones to say that Democratic activists are hired to go to town halls to yell at Republican Congress people. Every time they accuse somebody of something it’s usually confession of what they’re doing themselves.
I have asked this multiple times. If sales are slipping it’s a great way to make sure you have some income generated. But to help the company and stave off the drop in sales he would have to burn way more
The CEO needs a scapegoat to blame for the dumpster fire he has turned the company into. "We're not losing money because of me, it is all these terrorists attacking our showrooms", type of scapegoating.
Tesla operates direct to consumer sales model. So they don’t have franchises. An insurance fraud on cars owned by Tesla would involve Tesla corporate. How likely is that?
Could be another situation like the one in linked article. An attempt to take the aggression to levels that are illegal by a third party with a history of trying to give Trump a reason to use force against groups. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53579099
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_US_dealership_disputes?wprov=sfti1#US_dealerships_and_automotive_dealership_disputes
We're only "asking the questions'...
I mean we are dealing with the ongoing fascist criminal enterprise that is the GOP.
It's most definitely in their 'wheelhouse'...
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/12/tesla-whistleblowers-filed-complaint-to-sec-in-2021-what-it-said.html#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20a%20Tesla%20employee,rolled%20up%20to%20financial%20reports.
There were anti-semite incidents in Sydney, in the heat of the Palestine protests. Turned out to be members of a bikie gang hired by "organised crime".
REPUBLICANS: SOLD!!!
Wonder how many arson attacks on individual Tesla cars or trucks are also insurance fires by people who don’t want to the social shame of driving Elon Musks #NaziCars or #SwastikaTrucks?
Especially since Musk who’s harming the government for everyone, but the super rich via #Doge
But yeah the dealers could be doing it themselves. Many failing businesses have attempted this.
These trucks look and operate like shit. And the amount of overhead it costs to build and then just sit on them?
It wouldn't surprise me at all.
But not at all clear they are turning public opinion against the protesters. Trump showed he is a violent terrorist on Jan 6th. He is ignoring the courts and constitution.
And investors: the folks who’ve supported the venture; any of them have a history of destructive behavior? Any tricky ex-spouses?
I think the use of 'resist' points to a right-wing perpetrator. Sounds like something they'd think libs would say. When most are say 'Fuck Elon.'
The normal car manufacturers aren't in that different a situation
Would not put it past him but the fires are killing Tesla sales as prospective customers fear their swastikar vandalized.
Suggest $TSLA results for 1Q25 are more in need of close scrutiny
It is as if the numerous Nazi salutes have given them away.
Dealerships, get in touch. There's an easier way.
https://stealmytesla.com
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53579099