genuinely incredible that it's this high when the media most centrists and liberals consume is still insisting on "wow! nation amazed by the manly muscular moves of musk's team of geniuses" with "nerd scolds warn trump's moves may violate protocol" on A17 - ThreadSky

mtsw.bsky.social • 68 days ago

genuinely incredible that it's this high when the media most centrists and liberals consume is still insisting on "wow! nation amazed by the manly muscular moves of musk's team of geniuses" with "nerd scolds warn trump's moves may violate protocol" on A17

Reposted from Polling USA

"The United States is in a constitutional crisis"

Agree: 54%
Disagree: 27%

Unsure: 19%

YouGov / Feb 6, 2025 / n=1106

Comments

themetricsander.bsky.social•68 days ago

Also quite incredible because literally the majority of Americans DID vote for Trump this time, speaking to the violently bigoted, fascistic rot at the core of American voters. Don’t really know why most of us think we’re in a constitutional crisis, when most of ‘us’ LITERALLY FUCKING VOTED THIS

themetricsander.bsky.social•68 days ago

MASSIVE FUCKING CRISIS INTO THE GODDAMN WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

thesebees.bsky.social•68 days ago

It's highly likely that 50% of US citizens have no idea what a constitutional crisis is.

airwindows.com•68 days ago

Yes. This is a GOOD score for that question. It shows many Republicans' faith visibly wavering: never mind liberals and normies, that's enough Republicans agreeing with the proposition to raise eyebrows. Thank Musk: that's what did it.

dmnd.me•68 days ago

It probably helps that they're publicly announcing obvious violations of rules kids learn in the most basic social studies curriculum.

"Congress makes the laws and appropriates funds, Courts interpret the laws, and the President executes the laws" was on the test.

aryehcw.bsky.social•68 days ago

I'm starting to think that perhaps the media doesn't want Trump to rule us like a king

kdb150.bsky.social•68 days ago

Media played itself all the way to irrelevance.

Maybe people stopped paying attention when they became court stenographers for the guy who says they're the enemy of the people. But I dunno, who knows why things happen.

sashotodorov.bsky.social•68 days ago

A solid chunk of the people saying yes are MAGA types. In the leadup to the 2024 election a lot of the polling as to democracy being on the ballot was GOP voters viewing dems as the threat.

clydelions.bsky.social•68 days ago

Not incredible at all, considering how fucking dumb Americans are. Don't forget Trump won voters whose biggest concerns were "democracy" by huge numbers

ctrltxquilting.bsky.social•68 days ago

I’m guessing that they aren’t paying attention and they are software security ignorant. All my SW developing, managing buddies are freaking out like I am. I had to explain to a HS classmate what a damn back door was and why it’s a problem after he hoorayed Elon’s actions.

bygonebegotrisk.bsky.social•68 days ago

I mean, in fairness, some percentage of those polled answering "Yes" believe that the Deep State has foisted Marxist jihad on us and Trump simply has not yet rooted it out. That's the "constitutional crisis" as they see it.

usernameusado.bsky.social•68 days ago

Why is there a 19% 💀

elkmovie.bsky.social•68 days ago

There’s a reason the NYT is fretting about its diminished influence

janetate.bsky.social•68 days ago

Most of us stopped consuming it after the election.

eternalouroboros.bsky.social•68 days ago

Just an FYI, YouGov polls are paid, I know because I do them. They are online only. You sign up and get polls like once a week. Sometimes they are boring and long marketing polls. If this liitle ditty got stuck at the end of one of those, I guarantee you some people weren't paying attention.

rrichard09.bsky.social•68 days ago

rest of the results are also interesting:
https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Democracy__Trump__and_Musk_poll_results.pdf

j-salvo.bsky.social•68 days ago

It’s UHC/Luigi phenomena all over again. Media failing spectacularly to shape public sentiment.

fynnbytez.bsky.social•68 days ago

Americans are a unique Schrodinger's cat: We're both incredibly stupid and incredibly smart but you never know which state the majority is in at any time.

I think Legacy Media is just so tuned off people are tuned into the constitutional crisis right now.

alvie2.bsky.social•68 days ago

So what’s the outcome going to be if we are in a constitutional crisis?
“Politically, a constitutional crisis can lead to administrative paralysis and eventual collapse of the government, the loss of political legitimacy, or to civil war.” -wiki

votegreen2024.bsky.social•68 days ago

Manly???

anthony60202.bsky.social•68 days ago

And somehow this guy won the popular vote?!

scottlgreer.bsky.social•68 days ago

Well it’s not clear how respondents define the crisis. Remember concern about American democracy was associated with a higher likelihood of voting for Trump than Harris.

deepers.bsky.social•68 days ago

I am a nerd scold.
I don't want to spew anxiety needlessly but I think this is the the time it's not needless!

stephenjudkins.bsky.social•68 days ago

I think some % of these people are maga types thinking congress is being unfair to Trump, fwiw

dutchtreat.bsky.social•68 days ago

Can confirm, judging by some facebook comments on my GOP rep's pages to "get out of the way, RINO!"
According to them the constitutional crisis started on January 20, 2021 and Trump is trying to fix it.

themetricsander.bsky.social•68 days ago

Yeah, that tragically makes a LOT more fucking sense. Than American voters somehow actually improving and getting smarter as people.

winedad.bsky.social•68 days ago

tommyblacksox.bsky.social•68 days ago

Agree: 54%
Agree and are okay with it as long as it harms minorities: 27%
Honest enough to admit they don't know anything about the Constitution: 16%

nrvschultz.bsky.social•68 days ago

And today Peter Baker reported a new poll showing Trump’s approval rating at 53%. So I guess that means Americans approve of the country entering a constitutional crisis.😳

sekellick.bsky.social•68 days ago

I'm rather curious about the party breakdown on this poll

tkgriffith.bsky.social•68 days ago

“180 million Americans think the country is in a constitutional crisis” seems newsworthy!

btpepper.bsky.social•68 days ago

Mainstream media isn't mainstream anymore. Most people get their news from sites with algorithms influenced by Musk and Zuckerberg.

joelrotenberg.bsky.social•68 days ago

I wonder what they think that means, though.

michelle900.bsky.social•68 days ago

Love how they include a third option so it takes away from the no column🤡

ninjamonkky.bsky.social•68 days ago

The economic implications are starting to set in, and we're only a few weeks in, and the monetary system that has kept an international economic depression at bay for the better part of a century is in the hands of Dodgy Bobs, who don't know what a gold standard is. It's the age of FO

chickpea7.bsky.social•68 days ago

Musk is so vulnerable, there's so much blood in the water. Usually the media loves a good feeding frenzy. Not this time, however.

jube0.bsky.social•68 days ago

The question is how many of the yeses are magas who think it’s good.

airwindows.com•68 days ago

No magas willl take the current state of affairs as a constitutional crisis: by definition, they don't consider it a problem, much less a crisis. This is a 'buyer's remorse' question.

jube0.bsky.social•68 days ago

I hope you’re right

benschaeffer.bsky.social•68 days ago

When Trump won on November I stopped paying any attention to what he was saying. He lies constantly so it didn't matter much to me what he said. I kept up with world news and politics through normal channels.

In that 2.5 months I virtually never heard any specific quotes from him...

benschaeffer.bsky.social•68 days ago

All these warning signs simply were not there, were not being broadcast by any "news" outlet. I only saw watered down and normalized criticism.

There are a lot of people who never heard the dangerous rhetoric and honestly did not know he was like this, but now his idiocy can't be hidden.

benschaeffer.bsky.social•68 days ago

When the consequences begin to hit, we can expect that number to rise.

cv-danes.com•68 days ago

Getting FAFO'd focuses their limited attention.

ericmichaelmoberg.bsky.social•67 days ago

D-felon-T lost 64 election cases in 2020.

Judges now are ruling that the powers he claims are NOT legitimate.

MAGAuthoritarians fail to acknowledge the powers of Congress to set funding and conduct oversight.

Time for a Department of People Who Work for a Living:

https://aflcio.org/press/releases/afl-cio-launches-department-people-who-work-living

kelpkelpkelp.bsky.social•68 days ago

What is shocking is that the polled Republicans surely know they are supposed to answer this as "disagree", they've shown remarkable discernment in answering polls falsely but strategically many times before, and yet "disagree" is down at core GOP deadender 2006 numbers already.

daphnelawless.com•68 days ago

Perhaps the media is not a flawless brainwashing machine? That would be good if so

chrismickas.bsky.social•68 days ago

“may stretch protocol”

pitbullmtkerr.bsky.social•68 days ago

Climate crisis too.

sarcasmodemiami.bsky.social•68 days ago

Centrists & liberals are apparently to the left of today’s political media.

benjamin-knight.com•68 days ago

Correct. And the USA has no moderate left or far left by global standards, of any size.
The democrats align with Cameron era tories, for example. Centre-right.
It's why the world finds it bits to hear them called 'radical left' by the American far right and its pet media and state broadcaster.

shimmersoft.bsky.social•68 days ago

people who read legacy media with any consistency were more likely to vote for harris despite outlets clearly being in the bag for trump, so there's clearly some kind of insulation layer for liberal voters who read (maybe that they read lots of stuff).

crs1.bsky.social•68 days ago

Where would it be without their heavy thumbs?

itshard.bsky.social•68 days ago

It’s really weird the disagree isn’t higher. Trump has consistently had 39% loyalists in like every single poll ever. How’d he chase 10% away?

paradigm317.bsky.social•68 days ago

19% of ppl need to come back to planet earth

nirgalm25.bsky.social•68 days ago

gives me a lot of hope that eventually sections of the media are going to have to bow to market demand and report honestly, leading these numbers to go up.

people aren't dumb, they just haven't had as much education as they deserve

fischer.bsky.social•68 days ago

hmm I want to see the crosstabs on this one

fischer.bsky.social•68 days ago

seems like constitutional crisis messaging is sort of reaching democrats but also there are some republicans in there muddying the results

brianvan.bsky.social•68 days ago

It’s an audacious constitutional crisis

emi8ime.bsky.social•68 days ago

I can’t imagine coasting through this Fucking Nazi Nightmare Coup
with only thoughts of shopping & instagram & shopping & aren’t I pretty & shopping & oh that looks good to eat I will take a photo but not eat it because I am skinny & fucking pretty

alwaysadorecats.bsky.social•68 days ago

Thing is, most liberals have become so thoroughly disgusted by mainstream media they’re turning to Wired and Wonkette and bloggers like emptywheel for their news. It can’t be understated how badly mainstream media has fucked up here.

mikewilsoninoz.bsky.social•64 days ago

and how spectacularly marcy, wired, and wonkette have over-delivered.

jeninmotion.bsky.social•68 days ago

I remain team "that's because nobody wanted this" and the rage is going to be at the media for lying up and down about Trump and Project 2025 and focusing on 5-10 trans kids playing Div III sports as a threat when Elon Musk gonna steal our SSN for lulz.

jonesqc.bsky.social•68 days ago

Are you sure it’s “nobody wanted this” and not “ far too many wanted exactly this, and an equal portion didn’t really care” I love you have enough optimism in your fellow humans to believe that, that feeling has long since been killed for me.

qed2.bsky.social•68 days ago

you still gotta *say* "nobody wanted this" to let them save face and move to the right side

themilfmag.net•68 days ago

there was a lot of voter suppression this time around and the filibuster was more important than the john lewis voting rights act evidently

jonesqc.bsky.social•68 days ago

I agree with you on suppression, but that doesn’t excuse the number of non voters. I think both things are true in this case.

themilfmag.net•68 days ago

excuse? its everyones right to vote or not vote as they choose whereas elected democrats are obligated to make good on the promises that get them elected

jonesqc.bsky.social•68 days ago

Yes, excuse is the word I used. It’s pretty shameful to not vote in my opinion. I also don’t agree that Republicans are any better at making good on their promises. They do however have much more effective messaging to move their voters.

themilfmag.net•68 days ago

sadly republicans do a much better job of making good on their promises

mimi2527.bsky.social•68 days ago

Agreed, but there’s also The FELON lying about P2025 by using his usual “I don’t know anything about blah blah blah” and idiotic MAGAts bought it hook, line, and sinker.

redglowv2.bsky.social•68 days ago

Don’t get too excited, they are now framing judicial orders that go against the will of the executive branch as a constitutional crisis

dktr.bsky.social•68 days ago

I got a lot of questions and reservations about the unsure group. The no group are MAGA, so that's expected. But I don't know? Yeesh.

bonjohnson.bsky.social•68 days ago

"World's richest man seizes control of U.S. Treasury and directs payments be made in accordance with his personal preferences" is so far beyond a constitutional crisis that I don't even know what term to use." -Susan Simpson

peterhogness.bsky.social•68 days ago

📌

zetsubo.bsky.social•68 days ago

The bag fumbling on display from the media is crazy. Like yeah they want trump to rule but they've vastly overestimated his mandate

ryanhassett.bsky.social•68 days ago

A bunch of respondents probably think that the constitutional crisis is the existence of Democrats and judges.

princeofdorne.bsky.social•68 days ago

They'd be at 90% if a Democrat was president

willifs.bsky.social•68 days ago

That's too low. Way too low given the assault of the last several weeks.

cricketmice.bsky.social•68 days ago

Polling:
Fascism must be annihilated for the phoenix of liberty to be reborn
60% yes

2028 intention
55% Pete Davidson
45% Don jr

2028 result
52% Pete Davidson
47% Don jr

overrrrrrr.bsky.social•67 days ago

i think a decent chunk of this is likely republicans with a different definition of constitutional crisis (something something woke DEI gun law immigrants), similar to how a large portion of the "democracy top priority" voters were republicans believing 2020 was stolen

begentle.bsky.social•68 days ago

🔉

bensonflinn.bsky.social•68 days ago

unfortunately very real chance that people are responding to that as if it says "is the country not working" or "are the liberals trying to stop the godhead?"

maryluvinlife.bsky.social•68 days ago

When polling is substituted for reality...no wonder we're f'd.

clover023.bsky.social•68 days ago

Are the unsure living under a rock?

themilfmag.net•68 days ago

tv media seems more urgent rn than written and the former has a larger audience

microberust.bsky.social•68 days ago

I think the edgelord actions from Musk have accidentally tapped into the online news environment that uninformed voters pick up on. Even a higher up at my work who admits he voted for Trump has begun to quietly talk about how crazy Elon is.

schnufflerowner.bsky.social•68 days ago

“In an unusual move, racist children now control the US Treasury”

harlanrow.bsky.social•68 days ago

does 'Agree' have to clear 60% to mean anything, like the Senate?

skookses.bsky.social•68 days ago

I think it reflects the way the news is just another TV drama for most people. "Are we having a constitutional crisis? Yes, it's very exciting!"

leftistwonk.bsky.social•68 days ago

The only complicating factor is that a chunk of these are Trump voters saying yes, and I doubt it's because they've changed their minds.

martin509.bsky.social•68 days ago

I mean, ~very few of them had any reason to think this DOGE stuff would happen, or that it would happen *so* illegally

martin509.bsky.social•68 days ago

Even after the election when Elon was openly talking about DOGE the impression *I* got was "boy, I wonder how they're going to pass a law forming a whole new department"

leftistwonk.bsky.social•68 days ago

82% of Trump voters approve of him according to a YouGov poll taken Tuesday

martin509.bsky.social•68 days ago

Approve of Trump, or Musk?

leftistwonk.bsky.social•68 days ago

Musk

cnep.bsky.social•68 days ago

I think hearing the whole tax return "not coming" thing floating around could be irritating them too

princeofdorne.bsky.social•68 days ago

Too stupid to understand what a constitutional crisis is, another case of mindless 'government bad'

andrewlevine.bsky.social•68 days ago

This is an important point, but the topline figure is important too; the more cross-partisan agreement that a crisis is happening, the more likely the media will report it in those terms.

winterink.bsky.social•68 days ago

The Trump people want Steve Bannon not Vought

doomforpresident.bsky.social•68 days ago

Yeah, more likely they think it’s a constitutional crisis that they can’t run over protestors with their truck

lady-annabelle.bsky.social•68 days ago

They were hoping to be able hunt trans people for sport in blue states by the end of week 2. The fact they still can't this far into week 3 is clearly evidence that Trump is a race traitor.

aburtonmatt.bsky.social•68 days ago

I swear to god the NYT is accidentally gonna call trump “virile” one of these days in some article on how he’s made it illegal via executive order for homosexuals to shake heterosexuals’ hands or something

nbarnes006.bsky.social•68 days ago

Look, man, they reaching for that center of the constitutional crisis ok? What more can we ask of them? The American public wants a bipartisan constitutional crisis.