I get why people are upset with David Hogg.
But people also need to understand that the average voter's impression of "Democratic politician" is an 80-year-old insider trading cancer patient who talks like a focus grouped robot & stares helplessly like a deer in headlights in the face of problems.
But people also need to understand that the average voter's impression of "Democratic politician" is an 80-year-old insider trading cancer patient who talks like a focus grouped robot & stares helplessly like a deer in headlights in the face of problems.
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So anyone who says something like this is talking about their own perspective.
2) well over 60% of Harris voters were white
3) it doesnt matter so much what the average dem voter thinks: the median persuadable voter does
4) it is tiresome seeing white mods use putative POC opinions as shields for their viewpoints.
2) Saying “well over 60% of Harris voters were white” is an indication that more white ppl than poc voted in the election, not that she won that demographic.
4 in 10 white voters voted for Harris compared to 8 in 10 poc.
https://apnews.com/article/election-harris-trump-women-latinos-black-voters-0f3fbda3362f3dcfe41aa6b858f22d12
And yes, it is a very common thing for white moderates who prop up the mod gerontocracy for their own bad reasons, to justify it by (falsely) stating they are uplifting POC preferences rather than owning their own opinions.
My district is represented by Morrelle and Schumer and I’m embarrassed. I’m also embarrassed by Gillibrand.
So that's a thing.
Watch this video, knowing how white boys get to do whatever they want to girls ALL the time and they NEEEEVER get a consequence.
He was on Maher and yes, he means young white men.
https://youtube.com/shorts/-4o2q10vZlo?si=cjTsnqb9eMkZ0Y_R
I told a man that: there are things you just have to accept. Not understand. Not everything will make sense to you BECAUSE it's not YOUR life experience.
You force others to do your emotional homework when you've got no intention of ACCEPTING that truth.
The reality is that if a woman
Not sure you loser-ass centrists get to sit here and make yet another series of excuses as to why you’ve run the party since 1992 and somehow lost so many elections.
I don’t even like David Hogg. He isn’t anywhere close to as Left as we need to be.
My criticism of Hogg was his CENTRIST position that the reason Dems lost was because we alienated straight while males.
But Hogg wants you privilege straight white men, whose feelies are hurt when they get shit after saying something racist, or sexist, or homophobic.
Thats the issue.
Why on earth would you want that? What if the next leader decides they want all the progressives out?
(That’s not even touching on how it absolutely will give more seats to republicans)
That doesn't have to happen very many times before Republicans get and keep a majority.
That includes Maxine Waters (D-CA), 86; Rosa DeLauro (D-CT.), 82; John Garamendi (D-CA.), 80; Doris Matsui (D-CA.), 80; Bonnie Watson Coleman (D-N.J.), 80; Lloyd Doggett (D-TX), 78...
Only 1/3 of the Dems are at all optimistic about the future of the party. The old guard fans will lie or gloss over how unhappy most people are bc they literally don't GAF & want things to be just like 1992.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B13_jC8gMD4
Fucking perfect.
We'll NEVER GET OUR SHIT TOGETHER.
It doesn't matter if we're up against the second coming of motherfucking HITLER.
MY cause is MUCH more important than YOUR cause, so I'm taking my bat & ball & going HOME.
David Hogg doesn't make my Top 100 List of Democrats I'm upset with.
Protecting the people who gave us Trump from being forced to raise the bar is not.
We need them to constistently be good instead of the lesser evil. It's time to expect more.
The wrinklemancers at the DNC are actively preventing that, right?
I don't want a Republican, either, but I also don't want a Democrat willing to feed me to the woodchipper for ✨bipartisanship✨.
The DNC does not have anything like this. The DNC tries to be likable to a fickle median and thus can't screen bad actors.
It sounds like they just want to change the rules at their whim.
Thanks for clearing that up for us numbnuts
Thanks for clearing that up for us again, numbnuts
In favor of their Own Interests
Are like Presidents that don't follow the Constitution,
In favor of their Own Interests.
A Public Constitutional Crisis
You can attack the party, but not if you're a walking pr nightmare.
The other volunteers... yeah maybe some. But the voters, no.
https://bsky.app/profile/davidoatkins.bsky.social/post/3lpahu74c7k2i
What has he done to unify the Dem party as opposed to tearing it down?
He is a single-issue politician who is ruining the party w division
"Ruining the party with division" ya'll have been outright insulting progressives for years what are you even talking about
...even if losing elections is the price to be paid. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
⭐️ #DavidHogg⭐️
Lol
It's like you have no clue what the difference is between party and congress.
https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/leaders-we-deserve/C00843110/summary/2024
Also how does that make him a crybaby
If the average voter has that incorrect opinion, YOU are supposed to correct it. It's literally your job.
The truth is this:
In the Senate, 25 Senators (many GOP) are 75 and over.
Most legislators are Gen X, Millennials, and a few Gen Z.
State houses are younger, as ppl get experience so that they can move up. You know all this. But you decided not to tell it.
Is totally ok with ageism.
Fuck Hogg anc his message.
He will NEVER unite Dems.
Never.
And neither will other ageists.
Find me ONE Democrat who refused.
You cannot, because they didn't.
You can't blame this on "ageism".
But a certain group of hypocritical left/progressives want you to.
They have no chance in hell winning with an ageist platform.
None.
Zero
Zilch.
Trump won on that and he's barely younger than the guy he was calling old.
You're not winning on your current platform of wishy-washy Republican lite.
And guaranteed this is someone Hogg wanted to primary.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/watch-i-decide-mass-rep-lynch-gets-heated-with-constituents-at-boston-rally/ar-AA1zxE9K
You're not going to replace a whole party. And as you clearly hate them with a passion.. then it's not the party for you.
If you cant find one dem.. then...get another party.
But also, no dem should listen to you as youre not with us.
A rabid Fanboy or fan girl, on the other hand....
... This is why you are Blue MAGA.
Do you like being frustrated that you can't enact any of your ideas?
I noticed you glanced right over your precious representatives. Not doing any resisting at all?
GERONTOCRACY is killing us rapidly. "Ageism" no Grandma you don't know how to fight.
Move or continue to lose
That seems to be zero experience or clue about any politics.
And you're yapping about how to win?
List the bills you've passed.
Oh and they have the minority. And idea you clearly dont understand despite always being in it. Lol
And they keep giving in.
Why don't you stop changing the subject like a coward and address that 😎
A llllllllot of petty insults from a petty Blue MAGA.
("What elections have you won" -person who lost to Trump )
What is their age, race, gender, geological location, religion, education level, etc.. I want to meet these average voters.
Stop blaming democrats for things republicans do
Who also won’t got on Maher and declare it’s a tragedy that young men can’t just focus on getting laid.
That said, I also want to primary a ton of Dems and pull the party hard left. Hogg is not the one to do it.
Young women may be quite surprised at his candidates if they are going to be all alpha male bros.
Losing women votes for trump fans that won't come seems like a bad idea.
I also agree that his installation and fundraising bears questioning.
I am going to choose based on who can engage and expand the base, and who has the energy, ideas, competence and pragmatism to clean up this mess and take the country forward.
We honestly need to get our priorities in order.
And I like AOC personally.
But that's not ANYWHERE close to a majority of even the dem party.
Hint: the old people keep winning.
That DOESN'T mean they're all hated massively.
I am almost 62 and I am tired of watching the geriatric dem establishment club fail our country. Hillary over Bernie. Fail. Biden over Bernie. Fail.
I contact them weekly and I will not vote for shitty Dems ever again.
Go ahead and elect a shiny, young brat pack as the only criteria. Let's see them clean up this mess.
They can't ever get the votes from voters.
And they blame the party.
If you don't understand that, then no you don't get it. You're just using is it as excuse to rehash the talking points.
Would you stay home or vote GOP if a DSA candidate was the other option?
People fight racism not realizing how prejudiced they themselves are..........
✌️💙
And that makes it better?????
What have we become?
That's what parties do. They influence elections to get the people they want. It's what the have always done. This is the DNC saying they don't want to do any real opposition to trump.
There are dozens of these Dems actively crossing the aisle and voting with MAGA to pass shit like Laken Riley or the SAVE Act and vote in Trump nominees
I would take a rotting corpse over those Dems, but the DNC has to protect them
Your last sentence outed you as not knowing too much. Don't run for iffice
Fuck off
And if they're among the very few who are in highly competitive seats, Hogg has no intention of funding a challenger to them.
What does them being in safe seats have ANYTHING to do with it? Those are the spots where the DNC should absolutely be stepping in the most!
And if Hogg isn't helping to primary those seats then we need someone else who will.
And that's because incumbents control the cash -- incumbents can raise more money than challengers because they have power-- and power attracts money.
And if incumbents feel threatened by the party, they won't help fund it.
lol
IF the party were to try to fix the problem internally, the incumbents would just use their power to reassert control over the party.
That means the dems are moving to the right.
And if that’s your impression of Dems then you’re telling me you didn’t know abt / vote for Kamala Harris … a young, black, progressive.
The status quo is being the party that lost to Trump twice. And W twice.
The party who lost to Trump after failing to put Trump away in jail.
Those ridiculous losers are upset at David Hogg because he’d like to stop losing.
I dont blame him. I think so too
If a senator has a dozen people (who also have access to insider info) depending on them to pay the mortgage - they prefer no retirement ever.
I *will not* vote for or donate to another D who has not full on fought the fascists.
I’d rather vote for socialists and wait for what comes after than prolong this nightmare with more appeasement.
[gestures broadly at everything remotely good]
Bitching on Al Gore's taxpayer-created NASA military internet for God's sake. Contemptible little dunce.
Go to a PUBLIC PARK on your WEEKEND. Stop by the LIBRARY.
Fuck off.
The "pal around with Cheney and facilitate billionaires" Harris ... not so much...
I'm asking you to explain what the bias is in having his position and supporting one side in a primary
Pelosi and the DNC as a whole constantly takes sides in primaries
Trying to pass bipartisan border bills leading up was a failure.
Funding genocide was a failure.
Getting 10 votes in the senate to pass the cr bill enabling ice was a failure
The house passing the save act was a fail
That's it. You either apologize now or you can sit there with egg on your face looking like the fool you are. You couldn't articulate an actual response besides "ur a cracker" like congratulations honey, but I'm not a cracker.
Just my opinion with absolutely no proof.
I think we need some more like Hogg to wake these sleepers up.
He's got a lot of learning to do.
He needs his Own voice! It was upsetting to listen to! That’s why I called him “groomed” and everyone thought it was a sexual conditioning. It was implicitly, Not.
He can still do this. Go David! Be your own voice.
And you, with the track record of... I assume, zero wins at all levels forever.... are the people who know how to win all elections at all times?
of losing elections and democracy to the most hated man in America.
Yes, I do know that getting people to vote for you is how you win elections, and that's more then you know.
If trump was the most hated man, he would never win. Everyone would rush out to vote against him.
And do you know thar votes win elections. Prove it? Which elections did you find that out by winning?
Talk is cheap and youre all cheap talk.
As for David Hogg - I thought he made his drastic reform intentions pretty clear. What did people expect exactly? And what do Dems think will happen if they alienate *all* young people? That they’ll suddenly start winning?
The Democratic party, as currently constructed, with current leadership, is dead on arrival.
Both parties may be the same average age, but the Dems have far more people who have been in congress for DECADES. The tea party movement cleared out a ton of dead wood from the GOP, while Dems keep electing the same hacks over and over.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/3/15/2309967/-The-Democratic-Party-has-a-big-problem-on-its-hands
And tell us, please, how much experience you have in any position that requires street savy, dealing with the public, knowledge of justice and governmental affairs, and how to get your ideas passed
Legislation like infrastructure, healthcare, child care credits, lower drug prices, labor laws to protect workers, disability rights, funding education, Affirmative Action, first time homebuyers,...etc?
Democrats, that's who.
Anyway, I've done work on campaigns doing voter outreach and I'm not surprised by those poll results.
And, when “your team” votes against your goals + blocks your platform you gotta admit they work for the other team
+we need proper representation for the party to replace them.
Why the hell would oligarchs only pay off one party to grab power of the entire government?
That wouldn’t work.
Non single-issue leadership that knows how to compete and win.
A huge compliment is when someone backs out of a race or competition against you because they know they could never compete with you.
People who can see where the ball is headed, not just where it is.
If the incumbents are scared, maybe it’s bc they know they’ve been don’t a shit job…
Don’t mind these people. They’re losers. They lose loseringly. To Trump twice. They lose Congress to the Republicans too.
Centrists or corporate owned Democrats have been attacking BlueSky posters for calling for new Democrat leadership.
Our Democrat leadership is horrible.
We need to replace it so America can start defeating these fascists.
And we get Schumer.
FML
B. Still here, good, attack me if you want.
C. But i will say the dems are the minority. Leadership won't fix it.
If you change the leadership of the Democratic Party
You will then change their response to Trumps dictatorship.
Which now is currently a strongly worded letter.
We deserve better than the filth the Democrat party is giving us.
It's elections. Primary them.
But youre all fucking stupid and cant even beat the dems.
So you'll get more of the same dems because you're owned by the dems because you're worse. Prove me wrong and go beat them.
Long before the debate disaster, I was pointing out that Biden was completely out of touch, and lacked the leadership and communication skills necessary to win a second term.
But any time I pointed that out, I was slammed by Blue MAGA.
How many "block" lists are you on?
lol
I had no idea
Nice ableist ageism in the middle of the factual insider trading bit.
Older folks refusing to give up their seats and making things worse for people because they won't be around to see it (i.e. environmental deregulation) is a big part of why the US is in its current state.
2) What does that have to do with my comment that David gets paid to give establishment Dems data points, exactly?
Honestly, if the rules are such that we can't dislodge Schumer bc he is the party leader something is VERY wrong. No other "democratic" country's parties work like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B13_jC8gMD4