I cannot believe we have to suffer through all the nonsense of Trump for a SECOND TIME just because America still isn't ready to vote for a smart, qualified WOMAN who loves GENOCIDE!
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I can't believe Trump absorbed all the hypothetical votes of everyone who didn't vote for either candidate and was propelled over the finish line. Even the third party votes all just got shoved into the "Trump" bin.
It was kind of a rock and hard place choice, and her campaign chose to appeal to the people who reliably go to the polls over the people who screech about the change they want but aren't willing to get out of bed on election day. Personally, I'd take marginal positive change over *gestures broadly*
Not well. 100% guaranteed worse for Palestinians than if she'd been elected. I don't know what math people who share your view were doing, but it doesn't seem dissimilar from the math that the current administration is using to tariff penguin exports.
i completely agree that Harris should've not been a diabolical ghoul who condones genocide, but i will never understand this take. when your only options are evil person A or marginally less evil person B, for the love of god, choose B.
okay, your other two options are pick a 3rd party (they won't win) or pick nothing (leaving it up to chance). so your only meaningful options are evil A or slightly less evil B.
Sure but how did we end up where a candidate representing the ostensible better party feeling comfortable openly backing genocide? Maybe because she perceived no threat of likely voters turning on her because they're all playing demented game theory?
I did vote down ballot. But I am not voting for a candidate who steps across that genocide line and asks me to come across with them. Even if I did decide it was the lesser of two evils, I wouldn't trust a person that morally bankrupt to protect anyone else I care about.
Continuously allowing your options to be evil and slightly less evil means you march towards evil either way. You know that whole "get on the bus going closer to your destination" analogy? The lesser evil argument is saying both busses are going the opposite direction you are but you shouldn't walk.
There's several avenues to political action that don't involve voting at all. Look up "Direct Action", it's much more effective than voting AND doesn't require you to back an evil candidate.
wow you want us to CARE about the suffering of the people of Gaza? you want it to stop?? listen up you little spoiled brat, YOU did a racism, you did a sexism, you did a nazism, you did a demand emotional labor, you did a no growth, you did performative leftism. now shut up and vote for genocide!
You realize that single issue voters like you are the problem The people inside of the United States are suffering because you refused to vote against Trump, people are losing their 401ks and I did more for Gaza because I have a fucking spine. You don't vote you don't do shit you're pathetic.
they also promised nothing! no help with the housing crisis, no medicare for all, no new deal, nothing will change and things will get worse forever. i wonder why most Americans didn't even bother voting and now we have hitler 2!
Hey! That's enough hate against powerful women from you! Harris promised no reduction in arms to IsntReal, and a lethal military, and you should have let that lift your soul so hard you'd never need healthcare again!
Kamala: I want to end the war in Gaza and allow for a two state solution
Trump: I want to ethnically cleanse Gaza, send the Palestinians to the rest of the Middle East, and create hotels in Gaza after giving it to Israel
Leftists: they’re basically the same!!!
YOU are responsible for the genocide
Kamala refused a Palestinian speaker and refused to even put any restrictions on Israel, so I'm really confused as to what she was going to do to end the war.
Also a lot of Harris supporters act like the electoral college and other forms of voter suppression just straight up don't exist or had a massive effect on the election. They just want to blame people that understand politics isn't a spectator sport.
I honestly don't think this played such a big role. You are confusing "the left" with "the dems." The dems who didn't come out to vote for Harris are generally moderate and were less concerned about the Biden support of Israel. We are looking at swing voters, not leftists
Shaun's point here, I think, is less about whether or not leftists refusing to vote for the Democratic party actually led to the results we saw, and more about pointing out how ridiculous this common (or at least loud?) "liberal" talking point — that leftists were just being petty — sounds.
“I wouldn’t be cheering for senseless violence against brown people if those stupid leftists didn’t make me do it. I’d much rather be at brunch ignoring senseless violence against brown people like I did during the greatest president in my lifetime’s term.”
Why would she? No matter what Isreal would have their bombs, and in the end that's all that really matters. She's sleeping soundly in her mansion each night
Voter suppression. In a lot of places it's difficult enough to vote where many people choose to not do it. It cannot be discounted how large of an affect it has.
It is wild how many people who make large sweeping statements about the American Public ignore this fact. Like there are so many people bitter about the outcome of an election who blame the loss on voter not showing up in high enough numbers than the suppression of those want to.
I think it largely comes from viewing politics as a spectator sport. Voter suppression is part of the rules and "you can't change the rules just because your team lost."
One of the most infuriating elements of it is that being "part of the rules" just lets it slip into the back of peoples minds so people don't really talk about it. Making it harder for people who don't read enough on politics to learn about it.
If that’s all 2024 was to you, I don’t know what to say. I don’t know how you can look at what’s going on now and feel like the right choice was not voting. Removing legal residents to work camps in El Salvador (a place said legal residents have never even been to) with no due process?
Tariffs with absolutely no economic justification, that will make the bottom 50% suffer immensely? Removal of all DEI and persecuting political opposition? Shutting USAID down? And so much more? He’s legitimately a wannabe dictator destroying people’s lives.
Hahahahaha!! It's wild that someone could have become the first woman president of the US if she had simply opposed genocide. That was, literally, the bar she had to get over, and she couldn't do it.
The anti-genocide constituency had no viable candidate this election, though pointing this out makes liberals curiously offensive to you. It's almost like... They don't care? Or like they want it to happen? Curious...
I think if a man is prepared to cut off his own balls for the sake of attention, its fairly safe to assume that he would cut yours off for ignoring him.
Mark, are you okay buddy? You seem to be... pretty deep into some heavy conspiracy shit. You might want to log off for a little while, take a walk, talk to your kids assuming they're still willing to be in contact, maybe a get a job.
I mean, they openly laughed at protesters reading out the names of victims blown up by the Israeli regime at the Democratic convention where Kamala Harris would be speaking, so it tracks.
No one is saying this. Literally no one. Maybe think before you post. I know it's difficult while you're chewing on paste and crayons, but I believe in you.
That's a true leftist take if I ever heard one. "Genocide bad, both candidates bad." It's written using the blood of the marginalized. So simple and elegant without a trace of privilege or any form of introspection. /s
Clearly the only moral choice was to just let everyone suffer and die faster.
Yes! She sucked. She needed to oppose the genocide. She needed to actually address issues and not be some neolib shill. I'm just so tired of this aged-milk argument that's meant to shame anyone who didn't just disengage.
I can guarantee you the Democrats analyzed voters' reactions to those positions six ways to Sunday. And their reaction was "Huh, three-quarters of our base hate us saying we back the genocide. But not enough to stay home. It's back the genocide then."
They absolutely did. They would throw most of us under the bus for nothing.
I think it boiled down to "don't vote, genocide is horrendous" which is very valid, or "vote for harm reduction" which I also feel is valid. A part of me wanted to believe that Harris could be pressured into action. Ugh...
The number of people pretending what this reply is saying is "genocide not bad" is absurd. Genocide is still happening. It didn't stop because Kamala isn't in charge. Now, USA has genocide and a bunch of other problems. As the lower classes suffer, fingers will point to minorities
Exactly and I'm pretty sure most pro Palestinian Americans would agree. Palestinians and the people protesting on their behalf are in an extreme amount of danger because of Trump. Sitting at home did not accomplish a better result. I don't know why these people are defending that.
"We should all just suffer." is the only place this shaming ever really leads. We can hate both Harris and Trump and come to grips with the fact that one was clearly the worst choice. We can oppose and protest the genocide and still want to try and live. :/
It didn't. The Palestinians are suffering deeply and I'm at a loss of what to do about it at this point. I know I can't go back in time though. Can't make Harris a good candidate. So we've got the worst case instead. This shit sucks.
Yet you still blame people for being unable to vote for the lesser of two evils when the lesser of the two was still a genocidal neoliberal? Weird. Also, sorry to tell you, most of the people who stayed home weren't white dudes, they were women, POC, and queer folk. PARTICULARLY queer folk.
Being absolutist about this means there was no point in engaging at all. I'm not *blaming* anyone at this point. Harris was an awful candidate who would have done next to nothing to stop the genocide. I doubt she would have caused the harm we're seeing today though. Does that take make me a monster?
No amount is okay. I'm not trying to excuse genocide. To people with the opinion that voting (at all apparently) meant supporting genocide, I'll never pass that purity test. I don't think most people would.
I'm not. The genocide is horrible and I'm fucking horrified. I'm so confused why Harris is even being discussed at this point, especially if all that's happening is shaming.
Fuck the libs, especially those that are blaming the left. *Especially* if they're blaming people because they opposed the genocide.
I guess I'm upset that I tried my fucking best to do harm reduction and either I'm at fault for being leftist leaning or for voting for the shit sandwich.
And to me gaza was on both sides of the trolley problem, but starving seniors and children, aids patients, women dying to miscarriages, social security, medicare, education, trans and gay rights were all also on one side. You chose not to do anything to divert it from them too.
No @zaddylonglegs.bsky.social apparently the only reason one might oppose genocide is because you are trying to hide your racism and misogynoir, you actually hate powerful black women and not the senseless killing of Palestinian civilians, women and children. That is impossible.
So you decided to let the white guy who wants to turn Gaza into condos win instead of the black woman who helped negotiate a ceasefire, & wanted to negotiate an end to the war & get a 2 state solution.
If she wanted to end the war but accidentally spent a year working for an administration that was dedicated to enabling it, maybe she wasn't competent enough to be a good President.
@asm1thee.bsky.social you left out that the Hamas terrorists were funded by the ally that wanted and received $32 billion in American bombs, to slaughter Palestinian civilians that were not involved in October 7th by the Israeli government that enabled 10/7.
Harris was going to continue everything just like Biden did, that's what she said. And if you think she was going to do the opposite, why is she keeping quiet now? She has never once condemned the ongoing genocide. That's because she would have continued it herself.
*sigh* She & Biden were trying to negotiate an end to the war while not violating the impoundment control act (which requires Israel getting a certain % of aid per year). Bibi WANTED trump to win & you played into his hands. 🤦♀️
Sigh. New hasbara landing saying Biden had no choice, which of course is false. There were multiple additional arms and money sent to Israel far and beyond what was required by law. Try again. Sigh.
lol it's like hillary all over again.
liberal tried to be besties with conservatives -> "The Left" still votes for the liberal more than the conservatives, because it's still better than a fascist -> liberal loses and blames the left, learning nothing.
Also this person is probably a bot.
then you are just unaware in general. He kept parroting his "israel has a right to defend itself" when talking about the genocide he refused to even call a genocide for months
and it is because of his love for israel. You are just pathetic
As opposed to the old, demented human wrapped in discarded hot-dog skin who would like to take all the remaining, living Gazans and relocate them to other countries so he and his son-in-law can build resorts on their lands?
I can't really agree with making excuses for people who didn't vote at this point. I understand that Kamala sucked but I doubt she would be disappearing people to a gulag in El Salvador. I won't shame non-voters but I won't pretend like they aren't part of this problem.
Opposing genocide made things worse?
Maybe if more people opposed genocide, a candidate who would stop it would have been elected. But droves of Yankees eager to sacrifice Palestinians, like yourself, prevented that.
I don't know what kind of alternative world that the elite are living in that they are so sure all of the commoners are ignorant little shithead racists, despite also acknowledging that everyone is getting a college education and subsequently drowning in debt. What do they think we do there all day?
It's a sham, obviously.
Some outcomes are unacceptable to major donors so they disenfranchise people who want those outcomes
- peace, redistribution of wealth, operating the economy in the interests of workers not investors, protecting the environment we live in:
Not allowed on the ballot.
I love that we keep getting racism vs racism on ballots and when the American people are like "uhhhh... racism?" The politicians go THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR RACISM BRING OUT MORE RACISM
Labour is in power, but things keep getting worse. They’re eradicating trans ppl and freezing disability benefits, for example. They are far right politicians hiding behind the paper thin veneer of not being Tories.
What an evil thing to say. Thank you for so openly showing that you are also a useless prick. I think you like watching awful things from the sidelines, making snarky comments about those who delve into the complexity of trying to resolve them.
“Ah yes, it is actually I, the genocide defender, who is wise, and you, the person who thinks genocide is bad, is naïve. I am very smart.” Get a grip man. Shitlibs like you are why we’re here. You need to own it and grow up.
If you have an issue with the left eating itself you could always get onboard with genocide being bad instead of crying about voters expecting bare minimum support for human rights from their "representatives"
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The American system is truly wacky!
Vote Trump - that’s a vote for Trump
Vote 3rd party - that’s a vote for Trump
No vote - that’s a vote for Trump
In a coma for 10 years - you better believe that is a vote for Trump.
He cannot be stopped
Very selfish victims.
It's too bad Harris insisted on the genocide
DNC seems to not be good at "Pattern Recognition"
Trump: I want to ethnically cleanse Gaza, send the Palestinians to the rest of the Middle East, and create hotels in Gaza after giving it to Israel
Leftists: they’re basically the same!!!
YOU are responsible for the genocide
Sure, she’s not ideal, but I don’t see how you can look at what’s happening right now and stand behind your decision
Trump needed 10 Senate Democrats to pass his budget. His many did he get? 10.
They want you to keep voting for a party that keeps betraying you.
Never a critical word for our millionaire overlords.
Just more voter shaming.
And what’s this about never a critical word for our millionaire overlords? Why are you assuming so much about me and what I believe?
I voted Bernie 2016 and 2020. I voted Kamala in 2024 because I oppose fascism. What’d you do?
"YAS QUEEN!" -- Democrat voters
We have Genocide and Genocide! That's so many options to choose from!
More pro-genocide lady authoritarians in office!
I hate it.
"there is no genocide"
2025-
"They deserve to continue to be genocided because bad man won."
Clearly the only moral choice was to just let everyone suffer and die faster.
I think it boiled down to "don't vote, genocide is horrendous" which is very valid, or "vote for harm reduction" which I also feel is valid. A part of me wanted to believe that Harris could be pressured into action. Ugh...
Is it a flat number, or a percent?
please re-examine what led you to saying something so abhorrent
I guess I'm upset that I tried my fucking best to do harm reduction and either I'm at fault for being leftist leaning or for voting for the shit sandwich.
and not some guy who is british i think?
If only we were racist and sexist and assumed all black women were gaslighters, gatekeepers, and girlbosses, none of this would’ve happened
Right. Makes perfect sense. 🙄
Also, what kinda crack are you smoking to suggest the most experienced candidate in modern history is "incompetent?"
If that's the case, better to break the law to save people than break the law to murder and torture them!
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-shin-bet-probe-tied-oct-7-directly-to-pms-policy-of-sending-qatari-money-to-gaza-may-be-another-reason-hes-firing-bar/
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/25/politics/harris-netanyahu-israel-hamas-ceasefire/index.html
I voted for Harris.
Your dumbshiat white people elected DJT, @asm1thee.bsky.social
As always.
Harris chased after Liz Cheney/white suburban Republican women. And they did not vote for her.
Pathetic. Miserable.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trump-gained-some-minority-voters-but-the-gop-is-hardly-a-multiracial-coalition/
liberal tried to be besties with conservatives -> "The Left" still votes for the liberal more than the conservatives, because it's still better than a fascist -> liberal loses and blames the left, learning nothing.
Also this person is probably a bot.
Hard to picture these guys doing that but maybe?
and it is because of his love for israel. You are just pathetic
He was known as a worm since the 90s, there's a reason Parenti disowned him then. Let the old freak go
Maybe if more people opposed genocide, a candidate who would stop it would have been elected. But droves of Yankees eager to sacrifice Palestinians, like yourself, prevented that.
Fascist voters will vote for the open fascist and anti-fascists won't vote for any kind of fascist.
Some outcomes are unacceptable to major donors so they disenfranchise people who want those outcomes
- peace, redistribution of wealth, operating the economy in the interests of workers not investors, protecting the environment we live in:
Not allowed on the ballot.
Not "Backwards"
Get it? Brilliant.
Looks like Reaganism has just reached its zenith over the pond
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/biden-voters-passed-kamala-harris-because-gaza-new-poll-shows
The way she sucked up to Republicans was so infuriating to watch as well.
I didn’t want either of them as president. I just did-not-want her less.