Not really. It does depend on the military value of the target. The rule about proportionality is not a score of dead civilians it is the act of ensuring that collateral damage (all kinds of damage to civilians) is proportionate to the damage to the military.
And illegal by US law at any rate because we are not at war and and we are not under attack and, as stated in the chat, US interests (even vaguely) are not at threat.
We’re just randomly bombing people in unit homes (at least Biden kept it at sea for the most part).
Yes, but you can't really claim there is no state of war against a group that regularly committs acts of war against you. Do remember the primary reason nobody declares war anymore is that a state of war massively empowers the government in ways nobody wants. Is this system fit for purpose, no.
In a war, declared on undeclares the IHL applies. Can you kill civilians? Yes, if you military target is of a value proportionate to the civilian casualties.
ROE isn't law, it's policy, the policy of the specific military conducting the specific military operation.
They don’t regularly commit acts of war against the US. That’s just it.
They are attacking shipping that involves Israel. Less than 8% of that shipping involves the US, and what does is mostly them firing back at US military attacking them. We’re just over there starting shit and playing victim.
Under President Trump’s leadership, senior officials used unsecured apps like Signal to discuss classified operations with disappearing messages, violating federal laws and committing war crimes by intentionally targeting civilians.
Trump's tacit approval of such reckless conduct makes him responsible for endangering national security. This scandal highlights his administration’s culture of impunity, corruption, and disregard for the law. Accountability must be pursued at all levels, including the President.
Well of course Jesus never prayed for people to die and never planned and executed any war or attack plans so they should refrain from calling on god to do anything
Today were being told not to be concerned with the obvious leaks of Top Secret information, but rather that the mission was a success. 😡
I guess a whole lot of military people need to die needlessly before they'll admit that MAYBE they made a mistake. That probably wouldn't be enough either.
It’s truly disgusting. Innocent people died. Children died. Vance went on about his daughter being frightened by protesters and he’s happy to kill other people’s children. God help him, no one else will.
And God joined the "chat" and said, "The 6th commandment says - thou shalt not kill. So leave me out of your attack which is designed to protect profits, you fucking idiots."
And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the Lord did grin.
Monty Python
Except this shit is not funny.
Guys! It's ok. Now that women (AF vet here) and gays and trans and non white folks aren't allowed in the military, maga and maga sons will be the ones trump sends to fight his wars. They'll get to show their devotion to the dear leader and we get to keep rational people safe. Win-win situation.
"And when you spread out your hands I will ignore you; even when you offer great quantities of prayer I am not going to listen: your hands are full of blood." - Isaiah 1:15
It's almost as if they really haven't read this book
Our warriors? Didn't they just send a drone to destroy a building? Pray for victory? I guess hitting the target is a "victory" for these guys. And I suppose no one in that chat was thinking about the other people, probably all innocent, who happened to also be in that building. Who prayed for them?
The God that these Ghouls 'pray to" is orange, mentally disordered and most often found cheating at golf. Sanctimonious doesn't begin to describe these morally void creatures. They are a permanent stain on our country.
Well, have you read the Book of Joshua or Judges? One loses count of how many villages the "merciful" God demands be wiped out right down to the women, children, and livestock.
Who elected Netanyahu to govern American lives? Do we Pay him for this, or is he paying us somehow?
Because, checking My wallet, it seems pretty light.
more people have died in the name of religion than any other single cause throughout history, encompassing wars, persecution, and other conflicts rooted in religious beliefs
Are you kidding me? These guys should be at the frontline of the Ukraine war for a week. I am also sure they would not make it. It's easy to stir it up from an office, in a business suit with legs too short on your pants, and shoot your mouth off. These people are nothing.
Nobody’s talking about the downstream effects of all this bluster, hubris and ignorance— more terrorist attacks on our country because this is what we now represent.
Reminds me of the Dylan song “With God on our side”. My favorite line: “But I learned to accept it, accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead when God's on your side”.
Meanwhile they sit in a cushy office while some unnamed person is out doing the dirty work that could cost them their life. The real imminent danger is right inside our government. We should be fighting against that.
It looks like the chats my son and his friends used to have when they were playing the war video games (yes, I’m old; no, I don’t care what they were called..).
Fuck these hypocrites. They’re praying to satan. (And I don’t believe in satan or any human who came back from the dead - in fact I believe more in smurfs).
Unfortunately, there are more than a few well-meaning Christians who don't get access to that information and when they do, they find themselves completely surrounded by the opposing viewpoint making any protest seem untenable. Being right with God just doesnt seem worth it or even possible.
Fake catholic JD. Just signed up to be a catholic. Recently. It’s the dark $$$ MAGA playbook to be a fake Christian. It gets the votes. I’d love to stuff that Eulogy down his fake Hillbilly throat.
And yet Jesus told Barabas to lay down his sword - told him if you live by the sword, you will die by the sword….,
How come Marco never quotes that scripture..
"warriors", what a load of shit. I have dozens of relatives who have served in the armed forces since WWII, not one of them ever, EVER, called themselves "warrior". Hegseth is a feckin' disgrace to this nation and all of the members of our armed forces.
Thanks for this post. I thought it was just me.
I just don’t understand his emphasis on “warrior”.
What does he mean by “warrior ethos” and how is the DOD NOT a warrior ethos?
They’re thrilled to be powerful enough to kill people on the other side of the world, jonesing on such godlike powers. And finally, for a just few moments, being freed from the endless cavity of emptiness where their soul should be — but is not. ‘Now, NOW, I am important!’
It's a pseudo religious movement in order to provide for themselves justification for what they want to do anyway, which is basically make as much money as possible & attack others they don't like, irrespective of how it's done or who gets hurt
BBC: "Houthi health ministry spokesperson [said] 53 people had been killed including "five children and two women", and that 98 people had been wounded."
98 people wounded and 53 people killed, including 5 children.
These "Christians" are celebrating killing bystanders and children.
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A war crime JD Vance, no doubt, accompanied with some prayer emojis to make himself feel pious about killing innocent people. Glory! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Humans killing humans, a reminder to me of “the smell of napalm in the morning” from Apocalypse Now film.
Horrific. Republican Nazi Maggots just doing their job.
Disgusting.
Hitting Rambo as he's getting ready for a mission might
Prison
We’re just randomly bombing people in unit homes (at least Biden kept it at sea for the most part).
This should apply to terrorists too.
You may be fine with ignoring those things. You’re probably fine with kidnapping people off the street and disappearing them forever.
Still doesn’t make it right.
ROE isn't law, it's policy, the policy of the specific military conducting the specific military operation.
They are attacking shipping that involves Israel. Less than 8% of that shipping involves the US, and what does is mostly them firing back at US military attacking them. We’re just over there starting shit and playing victim.
And ICE is committing severe human rights violations under Trump's orders.
You think these people care what crimes they commit?
Especially once they finish destroying Judicial???
Are there any connections between the two?
https://youtu.be/Tj9M34DzAKo?si=JYPdaX0ghuMLAI9a
I guess a whole lot of military people need to die needlessly before they'll admit that MAYBE they made a mistake. That probably wouldn't be enough either.
the grifters are in it for themselves and will run when exposed and truth is closing in.
the believers will take us all with them, they do not have fear.
Wait for it...
https://youtube.com/shorts/j_e9KbWQ4kI?si=Gy0Higp-xUxDos9X
Attacking an apartment building to get 1 target sounds a lot like an act of terrorism!!
Apparently,'thou shall not kill' has qualifiers attached
Monty Python
Except this shit is not funny.
Let’s ACT outraged that someone did not set up a call correctly.
Meanwhile, no one pays much attention to the ongoing challenge to the jurisdiction of the courts.
Because media, in particular, only have their survival and $ in mind.
It's almost as if they really haven't read this book
1. Killing people
2. Jailing people
3. Firing people
4. Threatening people
5. Laughing about any of the above.
They’ve committed a war crime with the recorder running.
Because, checking My wallet, it seems pretty light.
Scum is too generous a description.
Be honest.
“…when they are killing non-white people!”
Proceeding to bomb a building with civilians inside to get one target down; prayers
CAVALIER INCOMPETENCE!
For you don't count the dead when God's on your side”.
*Not actual Warriors nor are they executing War Plans.
Of MAGA Maoism
They actually believe this shit Jesus Christ 😂 they are stupid
Sure, put your hands together and guide war jets
God loves war jets
Same damn thing.
How come Marco never quotes that scripture..
I think we need a whole new language for these people. Our current words aren't strong enough to describe our current situations or emotions.
Really??
Yeah, I'm sure God is on our side here.
Starting to wonder if Saudi means 'south'.
I just don’t understand his emphasis on “warrior”.
What does he mean by “warrior ethos” and how is the DOD NOT a warrior ethos?
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/stop-separating-good-christians-from-trump-supporters/
98 people wounded and 53 people killed, including 5 children.
These "Christians" are celebrating killing bystanders and children.
Evil.