No but the Declaration of Independence teaches us how to treat Trump and Musk. It’s our responsibility as citizens to protect our Constitutional rights.
I mean, Madison, et al. included the rules for impeachment. I know, they assumed the American people and their state legislatures would elect people with spines. 😞 there’s also the 25th amendment 😆 but the 78 yo 🍊🤡 pointed out the Constitution has another provision to trigger presidential succession
You are correct. however, the Declaration of Independence called out the King of Britain by name and listed his crimes. Give it a quick read and replace 'King of Britain' with 'Donald J. Trump'. I found it uncanny just how many similarities there are. https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript
The Mad Queen is consumed by madness,the Madhatter knows the rabbit hole is deep but still he kicks civilians in, lo and behold no one has risenup.We are in a state of dependence no longer standing w/ sanity,logic or science. Drink your tea shouts the Madhatter its bitter, its cold the list is long.
Our dems saw this firsthand during TFG's first term and did NOTHING to prevent him from getting back in office again when they had the WH. Let's lay blame where it belongs.
Well, it sort of did…that whole separation of powers, checks and balances thing. But what it didn’t account for was Congress and the Supreme Court standing behind him cheering as he stuffs our country’s head in a toilet.
The president is ignoring our country’s laws and doing as he pleases. This is how a dictator works! The Republican Party is no better than the Nazi party and should be outlawed in the USA. It likely won’t be, but it should be! This country never outlaws political parties!
I think outlawing the oldest active political party is a bit far, especially since it’s really just a few people refusing to ever admit that that may have been slightly incorrect once and snowbaling
they're also not acting like conservatives. this is the party that is supposed to believe in small government, constitutional freedom, global free trade, and the right to bear arms and organize a citizen militia in case of government overreach.
I think you have been seriously misled! That’s what Democrats believe in! Republicans believe in the complete opposite! They are the party of government overreach and withdrawal from the global economy! Anyone who doesn’t understand that is not paying attention!
Well that's what their party has historically said to have believed and preached. They also preach family values which is fucking hysterical.
You misunderstood me, that's what they do, they lie blatantly and do exactly what they demonize us for.
It did. It didn't foresee a Congress that said, We're not gonna do anything about it. And a Supreme Court that said, You can do anything you wanr. How can we help?
There is an oath to that constitution that covers what happens when anyone within the country does anything that constitutes an attack on it.
Part of that oath says you obey the orders of the POTUS. People who have sworn the oath also know that an order which is considered illegal must be refused.
to accept and follow the Constitution, laws, and social norms, there must be a funciotning Social Contract. republicans since reagan have rejected America's Social Contract.
Well it did. Impeachment which has failed. The Constitution has some left. The People on which it is for. Andrew Jackson did this before and got away with it. Up to us this time
The framers of the Constitution were smart enough to include the ability to impeach and remove a rogue president, and left the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors" open for Congress to determine.
What they didn't foresee, was a the president controlling spineless ass lickers in Congress.
Also she wanted a cabinet position because she was “very loyal to trump”. Even dunce trump said fuck that. She’s just as useless to maga as she is her constituency. So embarrassing that fucking woman.
Uggh I’m in GA14. MTQ has failed to pass a single piece of legislation her entire time in office and has voted against all funding for our district. She loses more and more of the vote with each election. There are rumors she will run for senate. She will lose and we’ll be rid of her… for now.
Or Congress being corrupted by doing adversaries
All the goo that's under putins control and undermining our progress and laws
Yeah.
We need to burn it the fuck down with ALL of them in it😡😡🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
….and he’s getting away with it too. Who will stop him? The Prime Minister of Canada and President of Mexico are the only two standing up to him. Canada, is pissed with America. America, is probably hated around the world.
I agree with a lot of people on this thread that there are ways to stop a rogue president. There is no way to stop a concentrated effort by a collective political party to seize power. That is just how governments fall and new ones rise. That is a coup.
Speaking of the trail of tears, did you notice/remember when Trump honored the Native American Code speakers, he did so in a room with a painting of the very President who did the Trail of Tears? Wow. Just clueless or very disrespectful.
He didn't want the traitor prosecuted, apparently because he thought he could use the traitor to get reelected even though he promised not to run again.
Exactly. We’ve been getting by on norms, rather than laws, for almost 250 years. The founders assumed that the Congress and Supreme Court would always have the spine to contradict a tyrant, and that voters would be smart enough not to elect one. They were wrong.
When the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, they never imagined that a convicted felon would be elected president. Twice, no less. That says a lot about the American people.
It’s time to ditch “if they go low, we go high”. They go low, call them who they are, low life scums.
It’s time to Democrats to call those idiots names and belittle them. Very republican politicians have been stumping on Dems because they knew Dems wont do the same.
The situation the founders did not anticipate is the CONgress walking away from its powers. They had clear high crimes and misdemeanors twice during his first term, the senate had the chance to legitimately put tRump out of our misery, and they folded.
Having just fought a war against a tyrant who used the military against his own people, the Founders ensured Americans could defend themselves against future tyrants.
The Second Amendment isn’t just about the right to bear arms. It’s about the right of Americans to defend America against tyrants.
I love how this administration is waking up the Left to the second amendment. May it be that everyone arms themselves and learns how to shoot. Our nation will be forever better for it. Also please stop voting for people who want to restrict your access to firearms.
Cmon, do u really want to start a civil war in your country...? In the civilized world we're actually past the chapter of vigilante violence. The solution lies in strengthening democratic institutions. Please look at how Germans rebuilt the political system. PS: People don't carry guns here LUCKILY.
Yes, they did. Which is why American citizens have the right to bear arms and have the right to abolish a government that no longer serves or represents the will of the people. There are many measures in place. The question is, will we use them?
Not really he needed the Senate to appoint his entourage. The MAGA Senators have always been duplicitous. Now, thanks to gerrymandering they are (were?) relevant. Relevant to burning down Reagan’s shiny city on a hill! Gluttons eating their young!
The Founding Fathers built the United States to work on the Honor System. There actually aren't laws to keep people like Donald Trump from destroying the Government. For centuries, the Honor System has worked. Politicians have understood that change is good, burning everything to the ground is bad.
Yes there are laws. It's in the Constitution. It's called impeachment. When an President goes off the rails you remove him. Our problem is that the other two branches of government are off the rails too.
I know about the whole coulda, shoulda, woulda, but if proactive actions had been taken after the fall of Hitler we wouldn't have even gotten CLOSE to this point.
Seems like the impeachment process was intended to let the will of The People dictate what the president can get away with. Maybe the blind spot was the thing de Tocqueville tried to warn us about: the majority are likely to be idiots.
So far the judiciary has worked. It's only been ten days, though. SCOTUS hasn't spoken yet, but since these are individual challenges to existing laws that the constitution is explicit over, it will be interesting to see what happens. They were very narrow on "official act."
The judiciary has no enforcement mechanism. If they want to imprison someone for contempt they have to use the US marshals and the US marshals are under the executive branch
They can make a ruling. Is this crap with Musk legal, or constitutional? If not, do something! Since we don't follow rules anymore, Congress can figure out something. Random ppl can't just walk in & fire people & close govt agencies. That's not how it works! I don't care if the Pres. told them to.
And who’s gonna enforce the ruling? Fundamentally, the rule of law comes down to the guy with the gun. If laws are not obeyed, the threat of violence (typically carried out by police) is the only method of enforcement. The judiciary has no guns. The federal police work for the president.
They were entirely unspecific on "official act". Nobody knows what it means, so it has to be litigated every time. The legal consensus is that the definition is likely very broad, but nobody knows for sure. This was an incredibly destructive and lazy ruling.
It’s called an AMMENDMENT
You guys could fix this
But then again a previous AMMENDMENT is the one that sees your kids murdered in their hundreds in schools
Well if the Republicans in Congress would do their job, they could control him or even get his butt out. What the Constitution did not foresee was the other two branches ceding their authority ...
They did see that. It is called impeachment and removal. What they didn't foresee was one political party abdicating all responsibility to the country. I would also argue that the 12th amendment changed this as well because the removal of the President would change the balance of power previously.
The Constitution didn't foresee a situation where the President is a sociopathic, narcissistic, egotistical criminal (nor did it provide for a legal way to exclude him from the White House)
AI Ken Burns in 2135: The founding fathers had no experience among them with abusive siblings, and so had never been told "stop hitting yourself" as their arms were made to slap themselves like sad puppets.
This experiential omission, of course, would lead to the fall of the union.
This is what we get when we allow partisan interest lull the population to sleep over time and do not teach constitutional premises through the educational cycle.
And, over time did not demand elected officials bolster our republic’s right to vote and proper fiscal responsibilities.
Ben Franklin reputedly referred to our government as “A republic, if you can keep it.” after the Constitution was written. Also, mathematician Kurt Gödel had his own doubts. We've been counting on the honor system. Now, a very dishonorable and dishonest man has returned to the White House.
They kind of did. Madison figured that the idea of separation of powers would pit the branches against each others to keep any branch from becoming too powerful.
What he didn’t foresee is a Congress being so spineless that they would cede all their power to a billionaire and his petty tyrant.
Separation of powers actually led to this. Presidential republics inevitably lead to gridlock which inevitably leads to more and more power accruing to the executive branch. Ultimately, they turn into dictatorships.
This is sad. So sad. These people who voted him in are so ignorant . All over the price of eggs. I don’t see the price going down. And they seem to have forgotten all about that.
What they are saying now is: "Well, I guess we're going to have to tighten our belts for awhile and pay these prices. It's what Trump says is the way to stay loyal to him." Can you believe that crap?
Im so tempted to get a projector and plaster the opening to the Declaration of Independence onto some government building, but I'd absolutely get arrested
Just imagine "WHEN IN THE COURSE OF HUMAN EVENTS-"
The Constitution expected the Congress to be the more powerful branch. However Congress has allowed the Executive branch more and more powers. This current Congress is laying down like a group of beaten dogs. They must act and stop being scared of retribution.
It is claimed the FBI/CIA keeps files on everybody in Congress, and can ruin them if they get too uppity. The FBI is expert at manufacturing crimes, too, like lying to the FBI. You don't care if General Flynn or Papadopoulos get trapped like that, but everybody is at risk, including Congress.
You’re right. The Constitution and its authors did not plan ahead for absolutely every contingency 200 years ahead. BUT it does speak to not allowing traitors to usurp American democracy. There are real protections in it which have been & continue to be VIOLATED & IGNORED.
That and part of the problem is that we've (collectively) electorally given over all this kind of power by not voting out representatives who don't actually work for the people like they should.
Minus the blatantly illegal shit (re: impounding funds), everything has been within our electors' power
That’s the problem. Rule are great if they are enforced. The GOP refuses to do anything. It’s not Trump alone, he has supporters that won’t control him
We had the same situation in the UK when Johnson made up his own rules. The UK does not have a proper written constitution and largely relies on integrity. Johnson and the Tories have no integrity and lied to everyone, the UK press backed him up. Starmer is proceeding in the same vein.
Indeed the pathetic UK non-constitution came to grief under Johnson for relying on the "good chaps" system when he tried to prorogue parliament. The US, having a constitution, thought they'd be immune from such abuse of power. Wake-up call big time.
There's plenty of things they are doing illegally and against the Constitution and the Constitution does have consequences. The issue is that they have to be enforced and a minority of scared people usually won't unless they're emboldened in some way.
And if you are relying on Democrat politicians to stop him you can forget about that. They don’t have the guts. That’s why we are in this position. He should not have been allowed to run after what he did January 6th.
to be fair around the same time it was quite easy to find these politicians and either shoot them or hang them. today's politicians are too babied. being one and the chance of getting hurt should be in the job description like cops and firefighters.
Constitution: "All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives."
A lot of the American understanding of their govt comes from their myths of the founding fathers being "ordinary men" instead of wealthy tax dodgers concealing offers of reform in favour of cementing local power. You need to stop saying "but we're America" it's not helping you.
So, they did foresee someone like Trump. The F. Fathers were well familiar with demagogues, bad rulers, and the weaknesses of democracies and republics. Even parties… what they called factions. The hoped-for safeguard was a large representative republic. (1/?)
A large republic would resist bad majority rule because interests would be too diverse and it would be more difficult to demagogue larger populations. This is all Federalist #10. They also hoped the desire for power among competing branches and chambers would… (2/?)
…putting party and loyalty above country, branch, or chamber has definitely tested the reliability of those safeguards and shown their vulnerabilities.
But Trump has limited time left. He’s 78. Worse is what lessons future demagogues take away from all this. (4/5)
Congress is not set up that way in the modern era. I said this in 2016: the constitution is a house of cards that relies entirely on norms. Checks and balances were at best an illusion because the founders didn’t consider that the other two branches would gladly cede their own power to a king.
Cleaning House in a non violent democratic way of course is our remedy.We have to take to the streets to demonstrate by the millions to show our dissatisfaction.If not kleptocracy, olagharcy will be the norm instead of a democracy we were meant to believe we were in.
I am sure the Founding fathers never envisioned such a partisan Supreme Court as we have now which gave Trump the power he has now.Just dealing with Trump is not going to stop the extremist alt-right direction this country is going in.We have to clean house from Trump to Vance,House speaker
and those alt-right Supreme Court Justices put in place by Trump.Expecting these people to do what is right for the masses on their own is a pipe dream .
Constitution is a piece of paper. It can't "foresee" anything. The forefathers didn't foresee the need to deal with the insanely blind level of racism and misogyny in the voting base.
'...the president does whatever he wants and says "What are you gonna do about it dork?" He says that to everyone in Congress, the Senate, SCOTUS, and all the US media. They nod their heads yes sir. When he says it to the leaders of Canada, Mexico, Denmark, Panama, Colombia... we resist.
That's because Congress and the Supreme Court were going to provide the necessary checks and balances, but this congress is simply going along cheering.
We'll be fine. The government has checks and balances. You'd have to have congress, the supreme court, and the senate completely politically rotten for the president to become a dictator. That would never... oh...
*raises hand* Actually, that's literally the one and only purpose of the 2nd Amendment. It wasn't added so people could shoot protesters, it was added so the people would have arms in case a President tried to become a king.
Hopefully the next guy has a steadier hand, I think to many real patriots live in this country!! Not the fakes with red hats on !! I don’t own any guns but I am considering it because this shit is stupid AF two weeks in !! I don’t want to have to owe guns but I’m worried about this bunch of idiots!
The only thing that protects a narcissistic sociopath from the consequences of his actions is the handful of violent people feeding off his tablescraps. That's why bullies never do anything alone.
Well it did provide for impeachment. So I'd add to your post - it didn't seen to foresee a complicit SCOTUS or a corrupt party made immune by gerrymandering.
If you haven't watched this video, please watch it and spread it to every social media source you can find, it breaks down why Elon, Trump and the other fascists are doing what they're doing, and why they're doing it:
Speaking the truth.The guy is a convict and he's also been indicted for assaulting a woman now.G, that's the sign of The Times that you could be the President.You know people who support him, which's not me.You know, and then he's goes D.E.I,hires, wants to make America white again.What the HELL 🔥
The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects the right of the people to bear arms against a tyrannical government. The amendment's purpose is to ensure that Americans can defend themselves if a tyrannical power takes over the country.
Well, the right of people participating in well regulated militias. You need to remember there was no standing army back then nor organized police. Militias provided gift the common defense and law enforcement.
This is about national defense. No where is tyrannical government mentioned or implied in 2A. Also, it’s a obsolete amendment with the formation of a standing army and the militia act and national guard and armories. Nice try tho
Obviously, the modern day has adjusted a lot of what the founders thought. But protection from insurrection and protection of civil liberty is in there.
that's not why the second amendment was created. "A well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state" originally was meant to be the main form of resistance to an external invasion.
The second amendment was written when guns took 30 seconds to reload, and the height of military power was a wooden sailing ship with metal plates made in a blacksmith's shop nailed to the sides of it.
Unfortunately, when the 2nd Amendment was written the power of the armed citizenry and the military was a bit more symmetrical. If the US military were used against the citizenry with its full force today, the citizenry wouldn’t last long.
Yeah…. but if they did that then the Dollar would fall and the Capital Class would also be targets of the people. Plus…. A US Civil War = WW3 and WW3 = A US Civil War. Troops here means troops not elsewhere and troops elsewhere means troops not here….
Sure it would. This is a huge country. Our military has not had great results against small groups of insurgents. Absolutely a lot of people would die in such a true civil war, but it would also mean the collapse of the nation. There's no way for the US military to "win" against its own citizens.
While this was the original intention, I am not sure if the proponents of this idea really wish tostart a civil war in their country... Where I live, we regard the state's monopoly on force a civilisatory achievement. Vigilante violence is barbarism. Strengthening democratic institutions is key.
That clause was written by guys who just won a revolution with a French fleet, 50% French soldiers, French-supplied advisors, and 90% French gunpowder. They didn’t think farmers could topple a state, which is why they raised, trained and equipped a professional military.
The issue isn't what was done in the beginning. It's that the laws didn't grow w/ the military. There wasn't an alternative put in place to grow w/ the imbalance. A law that forces all states to allow for referendums on the ballot would be a good start + allowing citizens to recall federal officials
I certainly think it’s time those who oppose fascism to exercise their right to form well regulated militias. Don’t allow the 2nd amendment to only work in favour of the pboys and other fascist militias.
Yes, and just like your reply below ppl don’t seem to understand we outnumber them even with their military. Also, he’s fucking over the military left and right. Military soldiers are Americans too. They will fight for the constitution.
The founders share the dogshit historiography that blames the fall of the Roman Republic on the Gracchi, Marius, and Julius Ceaser instead of on Sulla, Cato, and Octavian.
To be fair, Julius Caesar was explicitly trying to restructure the Roman Republic by packing the senate with political appointees and friends, which, yah know, is gonna explicitly cause the senate to lash out, hard. This has come to my adage that no matter the context, you do not pack the senate.
Obviously Sid no, you mean Biden..student loan forgiveness after SCOTUS said NO, ILLEGAL👽 invasion just for starters.
Now please tell me what President Trump has done that’s unconstitutional?!!
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Crickets are because nobody wants to dignify this with a response. Or they’re too confused about what you’re trying to say, because everything but the last sentence there is rather difficult to follow. “Instigating the January 6, 2021 riots” is the most glaringly obvious answer to your question btw.
I mean, they kinda did with the 2nd amendment. What they didn’t foresee was the modern surveillance state, or the massive difference in firepower between citizens and the military. Gotta remember, they had fought Redcoats with similar muskets, who marched in nice straight lines out in the open.
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You misunderstood me, that's what they do, they lie blatantly and do exactly what they demonize us for.
❤️for Canada it’s time we joined the EU🇪🇺
Part of that oath says you obey the orders of the POTUS. People who have sworn the oath also know that an order which is considered illegal must be refused.
There is no future with republicans.
What do you think the Second Amendment is for?
What they didn't foresee, was a the president controlling spineless ass lickers in Congress.
Marjorie Taylor Greene Wants Trump Cabinet Position: 'Been Very Loyal'
https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-wants-trump-cabinet-position-been-very-loyal-1982012
But trump was like “fuck that”…
Marjorie Taylor Greene says she wants to help Donald Trump from Congress
https://www.thedailynewsonline.com/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-says-she-wants-to-help-donald-trump-from-congress/article_a87497ea-a209-11ef-9b2b-6f2af374955e.html
All the goo that's under putins control and undermining our progress and laws
Yeah.
We need to burn it the fuck down with ALL of them in it😡😡🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
He's illegitimate and needs to be DISCUSSED that way
What they're actually saying is that they're too cowardly and dumb to enforce the constitution...
And therefore are complicit.
As is Biden.
As is Merrick Garbage, who protected the traitor every step of the way.
And WTF was Jack Smith thinking when he failed to demand Cannon's recusal when she got assigned to the trial?
The scrotum gave Biden permission to enforce the law and he still chose cowardice and fascism over patriotism...
He didn't want the traitor prosecuted, apparently because he thought he could use the traitor to get reelected even though he promised not to run again.
Calling someone stupid is not a fact.
I don’t agree with everything he did.
Trudeau stepping down is not a good move
Your Right will work in tandem with the illegal actions being pulled here
My opinion
It’s time to Democrats to call those idiots names and belittle them. Very republican politicians have been stumping on Dems because they knew Dems wont do the same.
The Second Amendment isn’t just about the right to bear arms. It’s about the right of Americans to defend America against tyrants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration
It requires Congress to not be a group of corrupt collaborators from a two party duopoly that are bought and paid for.
“Bought and paid for” political parties is what Congress did not anticipate.
You guys could fix this
But then again a previous AMMENDMENT is the one that sees your kids murdered in their hundreds in schools
Like, bro, that's MY JOB! You're supposed to actually DO stuff!
This experiential omission, of course, would lead to the fall of the union.
And, over time did not demand elected officials bolster our republic’s right to vote and proper fiscal responsibilities.
Term limits!
What he didn’t foresee is a Congress being so spineless that they would cede all their power to a billionaire and his petty tyrant.
He knew expecting people to put patriotism ahead of personal ambition, profit and party was likely a bridge too far.
Just imagine "WHEN IN THE COURSE OF HUMAN EVENTS-"
While it’s still a free country.
That would be the Declaration of Independence.
Him issuing illegal orders isn't the only problem. It's the cowards who obey when they should defy.
Minus the blatantly illegal shit (re: impounding funds), everything has been within our electors' power
the purpose of a system is what it does
My memory is blanking
Part of their role was initially to override the will of the people should the people elect a demegogue.
Two things can be true at once.
Let’s grab their rhetoric and use it against them #stopthesteal
Congress: "Nah."
But these were just safeguards, not guarantees. They’ve worked at times (see Nixon).
But the scale of Trump’s messianic demagoguery and the depravity of our current factions (or currently just one of them)… (3/?)
But Trump has limited time left. He’s 78. Worse is what lessons future demagogues take away from all this. (4/5)
What the Founders didn't foresee was an entire Major political party thoroughly corrupted. And an electorate so deeply ignorant.
Or maybe they did, couldn't come up with a protection and just hoped for the best.
What they never anticipated was the existence of a permanent, highly militarized corps of bodyguards specifically trained to keep that from happening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no
But, Republicans have been Historically unable to muster the courage to convict one of their own, apparently, no matter what was done.
The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects the right of the people to bear arms against a tyrannical government. The amendment's purpose is to ensure that Americans can defend themselves if a tyrannical power takes over the country.
Law enforcement ratio is about 3:1,000. So yes we outnumber them. But they can use utility control over the masses.
We need to wait until the gun toting trumpers jump the fence first.
But they did think of it.
I feel like struggle would be how we’re living. Cities provide easy control over a large population.
Many places rely on the grid. Which the government controls.
Could we take it back? Yeah…but…that’s civil war.
We need to wait for a certain population to feel the effects and to change sides.
Once they realize they’re paying more, lost more, and aren’t getting the results they voted on, they’ll be a strong arsenal.
Once we hit that point… we’re all set.
Obviously they don’t follow any other kind.
I’m all for overpowering them. I just want to wait for a large portion of his supporters to realize they want to be on our side when that happens.
It’s won’t take long with how things are going.
They probably *should* have anticipated this, with the fucked up way it portions representation.
The USA is designed to be able to be captured by a minoritarian party. This is to "protect us" from "mob rule"...
Ceaser packed the senate (just like Sulla did) without murdering all his political opponents (like Sulla did).
He did it to accomplish his legislative agenda, which even at the time, everyone agreed was good.
"Sulla was right"
they just didn't quite expect the follow-up from congress to be 'hahahah he's owning you stupid nerds'
Now please tell me what President Trump has done that’s unconstitutional?!!
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