I've got a really radical idea for them. They've got four and a half years to make some positive change in the country. I believe they call it 'governing'. Maybe they should f*cking get on with it, rather than being dictated to by the latest utterly meaningless poll numbers. FFS!! 😠
The right steps are being taken to have closer ties to the EU. The UK have not completed all of the agreed points from Brexit. That’s due to the feet dragging of the Tories for a multitude of reasons.
Better be stealth like aligning with the EU and keep the anti-EU noise at a minimum.
Got a massive majority, but doing all they can to piss a huge amount of centrist-left goodwill up the wall. All they need to do is to generally stick to uninspired manifesto pledges, apply basic core values of the Labour Party & stop being pseudo Tory pricks. That’s all most voted for.
Who was the MP? They are always anonymous, but voters should be told what they are saying privately as I haven’t heard any of them voicing this publicly.
Political illiteracy.
If I am minded to vote for Reform, I'm not going to vote Tory or Labour Reform light.
If I am opposed to Reform, I'm not going to vote Tory or Labour Reform light.
The only way to beat Reform is to ruthlessly oppose the party and all of its policies.
But I do think that it has delivered so many bad politicians and people that it should be a red flag on a CV. Sort of, what have you done to undo the damage done by that degree? 🙃
At a time when we need true leaders urgently, all we get are yet more followers. These people will walk us right into the shitshow that’s happening in the US.
someone needs to sit half of these guys down and tell them that they are in parliament for a good time but not a long time, there is more or less nothing they can do that will keep their seat but they could do a lot to lose somebody else's.
Honestly if you’re not a brand name MP in the Labour Party and you’re in a marginal or swing might as well be a wrecker because this govt is 100% getting turfed out at the earliest opportunity.
It’s depressing isn’t it? They never learn that you can *never* outflank the hard right. They will never be satisfied and you’ll lose your principles and identity trying to please them. Instead, make *your* case, state *your* principles, bring people with you and LEAD, don’t follow.
When Labour politicians start advocating for stricter migration policies to counteract the threat of Reform, it becomes painfully clear that their motivations are far from noble. They’re driven by self-interest rather than any genuine moral conviction.
Because trying to emulate the policies of a far right party worked so well for the conservatives. There are two major issues that need to be addressed to stop people being swayed by populist messaging - services need to be fixed and cost of living needs to decrease.
Starmer's Labour might as well walk out of Parliament and let Farage take over at this point. So far they have done nothing but further harm the country and cement Reform's victory at the next election.
All red wall MPs need is a graph in their pocket showing pre & post Brexit migration numbers, tell them Farage pushed Brexit therefore it’s all his fault
Embracing Farage’s worldview did for the Tories and will do the same to Labour. It seems the political landscape for the last two decades has been drawn by Farage and it’s destroying the UK. I’m not sure I even know what Labour stand for anymore. If they can’t resist Farage what’s the point?
Very stupid - there is no way on earth net inward migration can be reduced below about 200k/annum
But it does need to be reduced - the Tories basically allowed employers to recruit wherever suited them without limit to try to mask the damage Brexit caused; that must change
Below 200k could be done I think. I’m not convinced it should be as it would have some negative consequences but it could be done (you could do it by only allowing work visas for graduate level jobs and scrapping the graduate visa). Below 100k I don’t think could be done though.
With the current rules though we’re liking to end up with net immigration of about 250,000 a year from this year onwards. Visa grants have already dropped very sharply especially for work visas.
On what are you basing your estimates of UK's immigration needs?
The big boomer retirement wave has only just begun. We face the twin calamities of a) Replacing the largest generation on record retiring from work, and b) Pay for their pensions.
This used to be the rule so it would be a way of cutting down visas. Plus people working at a graduate level are more likely to emigrate again. To be fair though we don’t get so many medium skilled workers now the salary threshold has raised anyway.
We got too many chefs and managers in hospitality and retail before the salary threshold rise. But on the other hand construction workers, butchers and skilled manufacturing workers were very useful but hard to get now. Work visas for care workers was a disaster with a lot of fraud and exploitation.
There is an exception for care workers on the salary thing
In my line (IT) there are many here on work visas - most competent (& I should add I am winding down for retirement - I'm not bothered about competition) but I do not think the UK needs so many
There is, but visas for care workers have dropped 95% anyway. Partly because there’s no point coming any more for immigrants as they can’t bring their family, but also the Home Office have stopped approving fraudulent visas and legitimate care homes can recruit the people scammed by fake employers.
They won’t cut it with current approach. Need to be part of EU to tackle the issue on a more macro level, have safe routes and stop creating problems in other countries. We are light years from EU taking us back. Reform/nasty party govt guaranteed under current approach
Plenty of them are unspeakably thick. They will also, deservedly, lose their seats. All this is on McSweeney and the control freaks who kicked off decent candidates, or installed themselves in safe seats. Akehurst heads the list on that one
#Labour will attack Reform by failing to deliver unrealistic net migration promises?!
Attempts to meet targets will:
- hurt NHS & social care that Labour has promised to fix
- damage econ growth eg lack of skilled workers to build new homes
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Whether it’s strangling the economy by not joining SM/CU or talking nonsense about migration, they daren’t do the right thing.
It’s hopeless.
Better be stealth like aligning with the EU and keep the anti-EU noise at a minimum.
Then grasp the nettle, and have a proper national debate about EU membership, because we aren’t going to get the growth we need without it.
No’one wants Britain Trump. Not even the kind of idiots who would vote it in!
Plenty more of this to come.
If I am minded to vote for Reform, I'm not going to vote Tory or Labour Reform light.
If I am opposed to Reform, I'm not going to vote Tory or Labour Reform light.
The only way to beat Reform is to ruthlessly oppose the party and all of its policies.
Bollocks.
The British education system breeds these idiots. Wouldn't be surprised if he studied PPE at Oxford, the ultimate degree in brainless stupidity.
But I do think that it has delivered so many bad politicians and people that it should be a red flag on a CV. Sort of, what have you done to undo the damage done by that degree? 🙃
Clearly we need to set the ones whose seats are saveable but are going to lose them because of these idiots on them
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Or look at the US
Even the damn Tories do better on diversity in their leadership.
Bigotry is institutionalised in the Party.
Any relation to bell ends?
There appears to be a correlation from what I can see
But it does need to be reduced - the Tories basically allowed employers to recruit wherever suited them without limit to try to mask the damage Brexit caused; that must change
Pre-pandemic it was 200-300k/yr
Another few years over 500k and Farage wins power
The big boomer retirement wave has only just begun. We face the twin calamities of a) Replacing the largest generation on record retiring from work, and b) Pay for their pensions.
And do so with the smallest generation in memory.
There are fewer early retirees, more working after pension age these days
In any case, my view is informed by short term politics, not long term workforce needs
we have enough graduates of our own - but short of care workers & trades
In my line (IT) there are many here on work visas - most competent (& I should add I am winding down for retirement - I'm not bothered about competition) but I do not think the UK needs so many
And indeed now we are outside the EU that is what I'd expect
The MPs should focus on them rather immigrants and Reform.
Attempts to meet targets will:
- hurt NHS & social care that Labour has promised to fix
- damage econ growth eg lack of skilled workers to build new homes
TRIPLE FAILURE = mega boost for Reform
Seriously?! 🤦♀️
“Never mud wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, but the pig likes it”
How are Labour so dense that this is even a discussion?
If the UK goes the way of the US everyone everywhere is FUCKED.