he barely won by the lack of turnout, a lot of people didn't take it seriously, but what would happen when the immigrant persecution starts, tariff wars kicks in and cuts to foods stamps, social security, housing assistance, Medicaid and many other cuts start to roll out?
The funny part is they could easily win every election if they gave undocumented residents the three-fifths compromise cause that’s where they overwhelming living/working instead of fear mongering about democrats trying to recruit illegal voters
Overwhelming first generation immigrants tend to be more conservative than republicans.
But more so immigrants on average more often live in red not blue states because it’s republican owners shipping them in to replace labor & giving them welfare funded by blue states
The Senators are Land Votes, unfortunately—the senator human-sims representing the land typically don’t live in “their states”—only Washington DC or adjacent.
Trump’s Red Map Mainly Least Populated Areas In America! Trump Won Bc. Electoral College Votes Are Fixed To Favour Republicans And Don’t Fairly Represent A States Populations —Majority Of Americans!
Wisconsin Has As Many Electoral Votes As California ??
How Are Elections Fair If Majority Loses!!
I agree. The whole idea of the electoral college is a joke. The excuse of "Rural voters" won't get information about candidates when they didn't even have a party system in 1787. Won't even mention the racial roots of it to include the 3/5's compromise.
the million pound elephant in the room is the unbalance of senate representation. It's a glaring problem with the constitution that a state with 30 million people has 2 senate seats, and a state with less than a million has the same. It's another unfair advantage republicans have had for decades
That’s right it’s deceptive coloring like connecting dots
This Dt presidency will go down in the pre determined self fulfilling prophecy history book as most influenced by billionaires and corruptible type of officials. Smug arrogance on a rotating basis by those who think they know best
really? Have you been to Rural America? The votes although scattered are there. They vote. 1/3 of eligible American voters don’t. Care to determine where they live? No. I didn’t think so.
Except land does vote - in the Senate and the electoral college. It's the reason both are skewed towards Red even though the majority of voters lean Dem.
The historical basis of land voting was to give slave owners extra votes based on the number of slaves they owned. The tradition carries on in the Senate and electoral college rules.
That is a whole lot of bullshit. Slaves were counted as 3/5 of a person. The electoral collage had absolutely nothing to do with slavery.
What does the Senate have to do with slavery?
Why don't you just come out and say the truth instead of making false claims of organized racism. You're anti-American anti constitution. Just because you don't understand the rationale behind the electoral collage doesn't mean it is in any way a bad system.
The anti-democratic tradition of the US, which is based in slavery and racism, is reflected in the anti-democratic weight in Senate elections given to land, not people.
You are a complete moron. Those are still really rare.
The country was founded as a constitutional republic under a republican form of government.
Claiming that the constitution is based on racism and slavery is just more ignorance on your part.
Half the founders wanted to end slavery.
"B-but, those 100 people grow your food! If you don't let us dictate how racist the country should be, we'll starve you!" - An actual take I've read on Twitter countless times (God I'm glad to no-longer be on that app)
Maybe but maybe not. A reason why a lot of people don’t vote is because of the electoral college so if it was eliminated I believe a lot of people would have voted.
I think a lot of people didn’t vote because of a lack of confidence in either party, especially refusal to take stance on Israel/Palestine (the 20-24 yos). “I’m not Trump” should have been enough, but it wasn’t sadly.
College kids protesting Israel refused to vote. That’s a lot of ppl sitting out.
LIARS and THIEVES, we've aligned ourselves with LIARS and THIEVES. Now we're going to watch Nazi Germany of yesteryear all over again. Little comfort to all those dead bodies, suffering to know they're correct. All at the hands of FOOLS.
Majority rule is the fundamental principle of democracy. You prevent tyranny by giving all people rights that a majority can't take away.
Few things seem more 'tyranny of the majority' to me than giving a side that gets 51% of the popular vote in a state a unanimity of it's electoral votes.
Absolutely. It's undemocratic to hand all of a state's electors to one side just because half of the votes went to that side.
Whole electoral college system is a scam.
And don’t forget voter suppression and or disenfranchisement. Unfortunately the same percentage of population votes in every election. 135million people in US and less than half voted.
We know better than that... probably the most destructive species on the planet...
The Ten Plagues of Egypt would be better... water turning to blood, frogs, lice, flies, livestock pestilence, boils, hail, locusts, darkness & the killing of firstborn children. Egypt aren't even as bad...
Hmmm it's almost like the more people you live around and the wider the variety you interact with the less scared you are of people different than you and the more you care about others. Bonkers.
Trump won the most Hispanic counties in the country, and did very well in lots of black counties like in rural NC and GA, and very well in places like Chicago and Dallas and NYC.
The democrat party will continue to lose minorities if they don’t change something.
This is a 10yr trend.
Why did turn out suck?
Because nobody wanted to vote for Kamala.
You can’t assume all those people who stayed home will ever vote again, and you certainly can’t count on them voting for a Dem next time.
They might just turnout for a republican next time.
the original post is talking about representing different population densities proportionally, which the shift map fails to do
each county is marked by shift percentage arrow, meaning Los Angeles County, CA (pop. 10M) and Loving County, TX (pop. 64) would have identical arrows if both shifted 5%
No.
It shows Trump made historic gains with Hispanics in south Texas and Florida.
For that matter gains basically everywhere, including with black voters in rural NC and GA and Chicago and Dallas and NYC.
i am not denying that trump made gains across the country (because he certainly did), but the shift map is essentially just a county marker without any real meaning in terms of population density (going back to OP's point)
i have no doubt that a density adjusted shift map would show similar results in trump's favor, it would just be presented in a more factually correct manner
"Don't look at the chart disproving ky point, look at the chart proving me right!"
OP's chart focuses on population density, the shift map only shows a change in votes in accordance with Trump getting elected. In fact, a shift map after Biden's victory years ago would imply Republicans are dying.
lol. And you think this is a permanent trend?
Were you one of the cunts crying about the stolen election of 2020 ? Gfy - Trump barely got the pop vote- if he did. The House is less repubes than it was under Biden. 🫵🤡
But I certainly hope you and others in your party continue with that attitude…..because sticking your head in the sand and refusing to accept that something is wrong with your party message when NEW JERSEY is within FIVE POINTS of flipping is insane.
🤣
I am well aware of the that.
You do realize that Trump absolutely blew it out of the water in some of the most Hispanic and Black counties in the country?
The voter registration shift to 🔴 is also incredible.
You're obviously not familiar with the reality that the United States is a Republic. Study the Federalist Papers. If the popular vote meant anything (it doesn't), Trump would have campaigned for it and won it. Why? This is why: https://x.com/KarluskaP/status/1867996011907694888
Democratic, maybe, not "a democracy". Federalist Papers warned against it. The language and concepts are clear, authors envisioned a system of government fundamentally republican in nature, rather than democratic. Modern semantics notwithstanding. USA was too big for democracy, mob rule, etc.
Okay? I also hate the genocide? You want a cookie?
Also no, we lost because people think the economy’s bad and Kamala didn’t distance herself enough from Biden to get people to think she would fix it. Incumbents lost in most countries this year, which suggests broader forces than any pet issue.
At the end of the day, most people want to have money in their bank account, food on the table, gas in their car, and their kin not at war. This election wasn’t a referendum on Gaza or trans people or any of that, and for those of us doing electoralism we ignore the above at our own peril.
People aren’t as ideologically driven as us. They don’t want to “be political.” Most think the genocide is a bad look but neither party made changing the status quo on that a plank. Only place that may have swung is Michigan, which again see “kin not at war.” But they needed more than just Michigan.
I genuinely wonder do all of you think politicians care about us ?
I'll never understand the extreme obsession many of u have for these people who only care about being in power.
They actually are. Trees have a root system that interconnects with other trees where they can "communicate" in a sense and other trees will divert nutrients to the tree in need. That is socialism in its most basic form.
So the people that are next to other people tend to vote blue, and the people that are from... less genetically diverse parts of the country vote red. Interesting.
I mean, as someone who lives in a rural area -- I unironically feel like living in a house deep in a many-acre property, not knowing your neighbors because they're fenced in behind "Private Property" and "We don't call 911" signs... You do miss out on opportunities to meet/care about others.
The elected representatives and potential nominees appear to dictate the impression the blue leaning individuals have of the potential threat to the status quo. Perception right or wrong is what we have to deal with.
Yeah in those red spots it's probably one single non tax paying rich and entitled prick who thinks he owns the world because that's all he sees. Empty desolate space.
Food is about the only thing not in cities and most farmers have the gop cause they constantly allow mega corps to buy up family owned land for pennies
I think it’s undemocratic that we give so much representation to the dirt and trees, yet we don’t count the entire Pacific Ocean as belonging to Hawaii.
D or R, our candidates are curated by the capitalist class to act against our best interests. For a better world we need to take action that goes far beyond the scope of electoral politics ❤️
This is why the electoral college is necessary. These counties and districts have people living in them. You just don’t acknowledge it because it’s not NY and CA.
There are just over 5 million voters in NYC...the same as ID, ND, SD, WY, MT, and IA combined. But the NYC voters get 2 senators and those guys get 12. Something needs to change to get more accurate representation in both the House and Senate.
In the end, it doesn't matter... Trump won, by far... If Americans as a nation won't accept who you really are, nothing is going to change. You are a nation with good things, but you also are a nation where the majority are represented by Trump, and Trump's ideals. Just accept it and move forward.
How the fk did trump win I can’t understand it it does not make sense to me at all …people were fired up and energized the polls were packed I can not believe there were less voters this time around
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I thought it was the land-owning aristocracy voting ...
Im All for building the wall, because of this!
But more so immigrants on average more often live in red not blue states because it’s republican owners shipping them in to replace labor & giving them welfare funded by blue states
Wisconsin Has As Many Electoral Votes As California ??
How Are Elections Fair If Majority Loses!!
Honestly, how else can we describe the Senate?
The electoral college has no place in federal elections.
Seems accurate.
Absolutely positive soil and trees would NOT vote republican.
This Dt presidency will go down in the pre determined self fulfilling prophecy history book as most influenced by billionaires and corruptible type of officials. Smug arrogance on a rotating basis by those who think they know best
When we were a smaller nation and lacked the technology we possess today, it made some sense.
Not so much anymore.
What does the Senate have to do with slavery?
The country was founded as a constitutional republic under a republican form of government.
Claiming that the constitution is based on racism and slavery is just more ignorance on your part.
Half the founders wanted to end slavery.
Be very careful, if NY and CA flip to red at some point, a possibility if mass deportation happens, you will want the EC.
If only citizens counted towards the EC, places like CA and NY would lose some congressional and representation and EC votes.
College kids protesting Israel refused to vote. That’s a lot of ppl sitting out.
We need better education
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet,
Axe,
And saw…
(Rush)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woodcutter_and_the_Trees
These days everyone can vote
It’s outdated
It's currently the only thing preventing tyranny of the majority; mob rule... two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner, so to speak.
Cause that is some fascist rhetoric you are spewing right there
You didn’t do the homework
Few things seem more 'tyranny of the majority' to me than giving a side that gets 51% of the popular vote in a state a unanimity of it's electoral votes.
Whole electoral college system is a scam.
You would think no person would either…
The Ten Plagues of Egypt would be better... water turning to blood, frogs, lice, flies, livestock pestilence, boils, hail, locusts, darkness & the killing of firstborn children. Egypt aren't even as bad...
You are saying yes to capitalism.
Look at the shift map.
The democrat party is dying.
🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
The democrat party will continue to lose minorities if they don’t change something.
This is a 10yr trend.
Because nobody wanted to vote for Kamala.
You can’t assume all those people who stayed home will ever vote again, and you certainly can’t count on them voting for a Dem next time.
They might just turnout for a republican next time.
Trump got more votes than last time too…..
each county is marked by shift percentage arrow, meaning Los Angeles County, CA (pop. 10M) and Loving County, TX (pop. 64) would have identical arrows if both shifted 5%
It shows Trump made historic gains with Hispanics in south Texas and Florida.
For that matter gains basically everywhere, including with black voters in rural NC and GA and Chicago and Dallas and NYC.
OP's chart focuses on population density, the shift map only shows a change in votes in accordance with Trump getting elected. In fact, a shift map after Biden's victory years ago would imply Republicans are dying.
🔴 support went Up in every state
Basically republicans did better in almost every measurable metric nation wide.
Were you one of the cunts crying about the stolen election of 2020 ? Gfy - Trump barely got the pop vote- if he did. The House is less repubes than it was under Biden. 🫵🤡
But I certainly hope you and others in your party continue with that attitude…..because sticking your head in the sand and refusing to accept that something is wrong with your party message when NEW JERSEY is within FIVE POINTS of flipping is insane.
Which one , exactly?
I am well aware of the that.
You do realize that Trump absolutely blew it out of the water in some of the most Hispanic and Black counties in the country?
The voter registration shift to 🔴 is also incredible.
You're right that the Democratic party is dying. It's just not because the country is moving right.
land and corn= no votes
https://x.com/KarluskaP/status/1867996011907694888
Exactly like when slaveowners wanted to get an extra vote for each slave.
If conservatives made nature it would be:
Also no, we lost because people think the economy’s bad and Kamala didn’t distance herself enough from Biden to get people to think she would fix it. Incumbents lost in most countries this year, which suggests broader forces than any pet issue.
I'll never understand the extreme obsession many of u have for these people who only care about being in power.
how many voters are per senate seat per country?
“it me!”
😂😂lefty losers.
If the land gets a vote. What would it decide? Not what we do to it I can guarantee you that.
Free the maples.
https://youtu.be/JnC88xBPkkc?si=rg8Ajw8Ewiz-oMDn
Power is centralized in cities too
Food is about the only thing not in cities and most farmers have the gop cause they constantly allow mega corps to buy up family owned land for pennies
But - Northern Norway here.
This is not as clever or obvious as you may think.
We who live in fragile areas with large swaths of land and few people, know, understand & have a stake in our region city folks lack.
The US electoral college is deeply undemocratic. It need change.
But....
Having voters represent the land on which they reside can be quite reasonable.
Even if that means some votes count more than others.
But today's Senate & electoral college?Too undemocratic; some voters count too much.
"The map allows you to see the 2020 Presidential Election election results at the county level based on land area or population size."
But if it could it probably wouldn't fuckup as bad as the current red caps😆
It only gets worse from here.