Clueless on the cost of children. $5k doesn’t even dent it. Free healthcare, free childcare, free education through college. Bring back WIC and other food programs. Free healthcare for parents. PTO guaranteed for parents.
$40,000 per year per kid ?? So you start your own daycare, take in 10 kids. Now you're "making" $400,000 a year. Incorporate as a non-profit or fake religious day-care and it's all tax-free. And if you have a creative CPA, probably get tax refunds of $400,000. So far, you've got $800,00. GOT IT
Haven't been to the hospital lately ?? $5,000 will pay for the cost of 10 aspirins. That is all. Who's gonna pay for the next 30 years for raising the kid ?? First 20+ years in school, Then college. Then 10 more years living at home and paying off $500,000 college expenses on a loan. OK, 40 years.
Once again, Maga will only care until the fetus is born. Poor people are likely to take advantage of this program. And once that child is born, Maga will refuse SNAP benefits, headstart programs, and anything else that will help that child.
Check out daycare costs in other countries. The USA can afford to do nice things for its people. In Quebec Canada it’s 10$ a day max, and we wish it was free like some other countries.
Spend a 4 year term designing society for happy healthy 0-2 year olds. Everyone will benefit.
Old gimmick of offering loss leads to “induce” expectations for consumers. “Sowing the seeds” so to speak not understanding the market costs and conditions in this economy.
I hear it costs around $20K (more?) just to have a baby at the hospital. And child care costs is equivalent to someone’s annual salary. This administration is beyond stupid.
We have kids when we feel comfortable and secure. If we have no leave, no medical care, no daycare assistance, basically no support at all, we aren’t going to be having children. Treating us like cattle is not going to work.
Who pays people to have children? Wasn’t this their big complaint against welfare? Women having kids for money?? Depraved ideas from fascist assholes that WE (not me) voted to lead. Fuck MAGA!!
Under the current political regime, especially in Texas, where pregnant women are being left to bleed out on hospital parking lots with not-quite-dead-yet baby parts hanging out of them, a pregnancy could be the death of you, so…keep your freaking $5000. 😡
That would be my choice. In fact, it was my choice after a pregnancy scare at 42. I wasn’t pregnant, but one time having dry heaves while waiting for the pregnancy test to process was enough for me.
Facts💯💯 I live in texas and ALL my nieces and Nephews are NOT having kids or Sex including my 2 adult children, its to much of a dangerous risk plus I don't know nobody who is comfortable bring a child in this economy, Everything is to high
This is so sad, but young women’s lives are in danger, and the only way to guarantee no pregnancy is no sex. What a sad, cruel country the U.S. has become.
It is what it is. Having sex can be dangerous period. You can have sex and get something worse than a baby and it's for LIFE and it can kill you. The only thing is in Texas it legal to carry. ALL women should get license , take self- defense classes and go to the range. Stay safe and protective
And they beat that drum for years. "Nobody wants to work because they got that big check from the government!" A whole $600 5 years ago, yeah, that's sure paying the bills now 🙄
And -- they can't afford a house, can barely afford rent and food, will be paying off student debt til they're 60, their retirement fund is tanking, and they're about to lose health care. Perfect time for a baby!
The admin doesnt want to support families already in need, let alone provide access to abortion for women who cant carry to term, why the hell would any woman want to pander these Christian fanatics wet dream of a baby mill scheme?
The people this will encourage is entirely made up of one main demographic. Stupid people. And stupid people tend to begat more stupid people, which the US already seems to have a near endless supply of.
I blame this all on the abuse that elephants have suffered over the years.
Because if we still had circuses, these fucking clowns would have someplace else to go.
Are you fucking kidding? 🫠🫠 And that's for *every* age, I'm assuming?
(I live in Florida and we get free VPK, but only the year before kindergarten, and only counts for the 4-hr day/5 days per week, or like 2-3 8-hour days per week.)
We have a complete diferente program for school... daycare is mainly for 1 to 4 years... then you have preschool daycare for 4 and 5 year olds... and the have also after school care... theses are made available from 6am to 6pm..
It is if we get rid of lobbyists, set term limits for politicians, make playing the stock market illegal for politicians and their immediate family and make the receiving of gifts illegal (all punishable with imprisonment).
You have to be willing to pay 50-plus percent income tax for this plus mostly free higher education and health insurance. I’d do it, but I’m guessing this would be a tough paradigm shift for most Americans…
Honestly that's one of the few saving graces about fighting this regime. Most of them don't understand the modern world and are using tactics more suited to 20th century tech.
It's on average 15k$ for vaginal birth, double for C-sec, wow a 15-33% reduction, no help to feed, educate, daycare, support... GJ Donald, fantastic fuck up
Probably unlikely even then. With the unknown direction this country is going in at the moment, climate change, and more women simply not wanting to be shackled, a baby boom seems unlikely.
They’re going to have a really hard time with the “just don’t want to” crowd. I know cause I’m one of them, at 57 with zero regrets. I wouldn’t have done it for 50k much less 5 😂
The mentality that every woman must have or should want to have kids is deeply rooted in the dehumanizing of women by the right. Women are broodmares to them. Sick mentality. Plenty of women just don't want to. I don't see that trend changing in the direction they [right wingers] want it to.
For real, red state Trump voting women will be popping out kids every nine months, they won't take care of them of course, but they'll get their little checks.
Do you guys think they want intelligent Democrats reproducing? For that matter, progressives and liberals?
Just a question, not looking for a fight... simply engagement regarding this.
People aren't genetically disposed to being in a certain party. They want to indoctrinate with their kooky, dystopian religious nuttery. They are against academia. Imagine the worst...now realize it's even worse than that.
Sure, they can reproduce and STAY HOME and defer all matters, including their vote, to the brains in the family, the bread winner, the brawn. She can devote her energy and intellect to making him happy. Nazis didn’t allow women to go to college & prohibited them to be Drs, lawyers.
Yes! This was the same propaganda used when Hitler usurped the political system, there were posters with white, blond haired, blue eyed large families. Mind you, they were exterminating any with deformities or imperfections for their “own good”. “Useless mouths to feed”. Horrible.
No, they want the poor to have children. And lots of them. So they can continue to have poor people to actually do the work and pay them even less because there is “more people” to work and someone will do the job for that pay ($3.00/hr)
Oooooooooh somebody said the Quiet Out Loud. 💯💯😑😑But they need the middle class and poor whites to work for them as slaves because you know my kind will not be allowed in them parts🤷🏾♀️
My sister was paying 18k a year in the late 90s for one child. Nothing special, and it wasn’t in a crowded metropolitan area where you can expect to pay more.
$40 000/year is huge amount of money. Here where I live I would pay max €311/month for daycare for one child. Taxes here are high but daycare is affordable.
There are actual studies on this, reviewing different countries' attempts to boost fertility rates. One-off cash payments (i.e. the Russian approach) have a small, short term impact. Improving maternity leave, childcare subsidies etc are proven to be the most effective. But they'd know that right?
My daughter still owes over $15,000 to the hospital for the birth of her first child. After insurance. For a normal, “uneventful” birth.
Universal healthcare, childcare, free prekindergarten, paid family leave.
Those things will impact people’s choices to have more children.
I was talking with my family about this. That won’t even cover L&D. Not to mention diapers, formula, clothing, daycare, etc etc. They literally have no concept of the dollar.
Yep, the whole reason people aren't having babies is that they're short the $5000 that it takes to raise a child. In today's America I'm not sure that would be enough to pay the labor and delivery cost. Instead it sounds like incentive to deliver a baby, collect $5000 and then abandon the child
No woman I know can have a baby for only $5000. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. - The hospital bill will be more than that; all the services for children and families have been pulled. - fRump is crazy!- - -
Global overpopulation is destroying the planet, and they're hoping for a "baby boom".
More MAGA babies will have serious deleterious effects on the gene pool.
And that’s a real number. I was paying a damn mortgage payment to the daycare center. Thank god I found Headstart otherwise I have no idea how I would have made it.
bingo. My teen would think 5K...yea no. But she goes to the HS that has the teen parent program and thinks it is just STUPID to have a kid when your brain is not fully developed.
They don't want babies. They want future soldiers. A population explosion would fit right into their scenario.
More people and less resources will leave joining the military as an only option for most. They also want them to be THEIR soldiers, which means they never intend to give up power.
I'm old enough to remember when Republicans railed against "welfare Moms" who had more children so they could collect more government support. But of course, that was a "complaint of a different color".
Trump signs $5,000 payment to give birth. This is the same exact policy Putin enacted in Russia's "White" Oblast. Russia is offering cash incentives to school-age girls to have children in an effort to address the country's falling birth rate.
Starting from 2025, women in at least 11 regions in Russia who are full-time students and between the ages of 18 and 23 when they give birth are eligible for the 100,000 ruble incentive. Additionally, Russia is offering a hero's medal and $16,000 to women who have 10 children.
Yes it is, but the timing of the increased payments being announced in Russia and Trump announcement in the same day should raise eyebrows not to mention the "Grooming" and racist aspect.
It is estimated that one child will cost you $2500-$3500 for diapers, while it’s in diapers for three years. Add baby wipes, and there goes your $5000.
Let’s assume that thousands of these will be drug abusers that need more cash. So they’ll spit out a baby a year- but who is going to raise that baby to be a good human being?
I don't know about that. The pre and post natal maternal death rates are rising in every state with an abortion ban. A lousy "promise" of $5000.00 isn't worth the risk.
Don’t they want the baby boom & female incubator pods to increase the white people while destroying all others? Pro-life, my ass. Apparently they assume we’re all as stupid as they are.
what this is about. And subjugating white teen-age girls so that they won't be able to pursue higher education and will therefore dedicate themselves to breeding and breeding only. That's MAGA's idea of women's rights.
Desperate people sell their blood, organs, etc. They’ll also give birth. Some people are not meant to be parents. We’ll likely see the number of babies available for adoption rising in concert with the numbers of $5,000 checks distributed.
I think there should be a minimum $500,000 USD Child Support Deposit BEFORE you impregnate any woman. Once the mother has the baby, the deposit goes directly to the mother permanently for 18 years of child support whether you are married or not. #ChildSupportInsurance (Mandatory insurance)
Maybe if you have amazing insurance, but that's just the start. My daughter broke her arm a few years ago and it cost over $10k in the end, even with insurance!!!
Every time I see this I wonder why Americans continue to accept this. The only first world country without public healthcare. Why? My son needed eye surgery to correct his inturned eye. It cost $0 in Canada. A broken arm with follow-ups $0. SMH.
Read the room. The point of the original post was people flocking to do this. It's bullshit. If you need the 5k and you get pregnant bc of that, no, you should not raise a child in this economy, boo.
A few years back I remember reading that Japan paid parents to have children. I think it would be different in this country. To have a baby just for the money will lead to more children on the state and more children mistreated by parents who only wanted the money.
What?? You mean $5,000 won't be enough for the peasants to raise a child? They live too large. And, don't forget the goal is to have stay-at-home mothers again. Maybe that would work if the parents are now in throuples? LOL
Mine moved out after they graduated college via different avenues.
My older daughter ended up living with my parents for about three years because her job base was there. She also helped out around the house in exchange for lower rent.
It's hard to set up a nursery for under $5,000. By the time you buy the furniture, diapers/wipes, baby care products, supplies ie bottles, bottle warmers, blankets/bedding, clothing, monitors, swing, bathmat, toys, etc. the money is gone before the baby is even born.
Child labor returns, due process departs, allies ghosted, treaties trashed, markets crash in trade war tantrums. The "empire" coughs blood and calls it greatness.
How many more symptoms does the patient need to see before it seeks help?
It's the American Twilight Zone where our enemies rejoice.
Reliable cost estimates for the first year of a child's life range from around $16,905 to $28,166. Total for first 18 years is $297K. $5k is just insulting.
$5,000 is not enough to cover out of pocket healthcare costs to have a baby in the USA and that’s if you are lucky enough to have decent employer sponsored health insurance.
We aren't livestock. We aren't broodmares. They'll never get that genie back into the bottle. They want child laborers and a population of kiddies for the billionaire perverts to traffic. They're so evil! They hope the parents die from poverty & a lack of access to decent healthcare..
They a hoping those families will send their kids to work asap, this is why many states are trying to roll back child labor laws and defunding education.
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Do they constantly rely on those too ignorant to know better? Sure seems it.
So if you wanna give birth now you'll only be debt for 14k! WOW WHAT A DEAL!
Some Maga are learning in silence, others never will.
They had major losses in his first term, and he bailed them out, and the voted for him again.
These people are not like us...
Spend a 4 year term designing society for happy healthy 0-2 year olds. Everyone will benefit.
Forget daycare. $5,000 won't even pay for birth, and wouldn't have paid for it in the 1980's.
https://chariotjournal.wordpress.com/2020/07/13/kinder-kuche-kirche-the-role-of-women-in-nazi-germany/
So I have no doubt it’s 40k + ..
5k wouldn’t even cover diapers.
These people are delusional af.
If anybody thinks popping out a baby is the pathway to riches, they are as full of shit as those baby’s diapers.
Because if we still had circuses, these fucking clowns would have someplace else to go.
$40,000 is just insane.
(I live in Florida and we get free VPK, but only the year before kindergarten, and only counts for the 4-hr day/5 days per week, or like 2-3 8-hour days per week.)
Socio democratic countries ... its the way to be
This is so weird.
They’re just that out of touch that they don’t see the actual problem
Just a question, not looking for a fight... simply engagement regarding this.
Poor folks w/ low financial literacy think $5k would be PLENTY to raise a kid. "Don't eat out; you'll be FINE!" ~Maye Musk
Stop playing rigged games!
Financial independence was hard won girls!
Who at this point, is gonna trust this government to follow through and actually pay off, after you've bore Em' a little one ?
And if you're thinkin', Oh, they'd never do that, WELL, you haven't been paying attention !
Lol
GOP wake the F up
Universal healthcare, childcare, free prekindergarten, paid family leave.
Those things will impact people’s choices to have more children.
And if we are addressing climate change.
No one wants to bring a child into a terrifying hellscape.
Spot on!
More MAGA babies will have serious deleterious effects on the gene pool.
Only Trump supporters could be so dumb.
$5K will cover about 4 months of day care.
Never mind 18 years of food, housing, clothing, medical (if it's still around) and everything else.
We know how stupid THEY are though.
If you can afford "the door".
More people and less resources will leave joining the military as an only option for most. They also want them to be THEIR soldiers, which means they never intend to give up power.
Hate the child
Healthcare, food assistance, education are worse for society in total as we maintain a permanent underclass
A true conservative should want to end the costs of poverty
They're relying on $5K and propaganda to increase (white) births, instead of providing any real support to children and parents.
A culture that values children shows it. The US clearly doesn't.
We've got over 8 billion of us. Countless people live in dire poverty, without access to clean water, health care or nutritious food.
We' re managing our environment poorly with 8 billion, what's the point of more people?
MAGA wants more white Christian babies, that's
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/090415/cost-raising-child-america.asp
With inflation, that has to be close to $500,000 now. Makes me glad my two girls are in their 20s and on their own.
By the way, neither are talking about having kids of their own. Hell, they're not convinced they will be able to buy a house in this environment.
How anyone in their 20s and 30s even think of saving to buying a house when they can barely cover food and rent?
And if they have student loans, forget it. They're in a financial hole even before they get into the real world.
My older daughter ended up living with my parents for about three years because her job base was there. She also helped out around the house in exchange for lower rent.
1/2
With or without college, most children live at home til 25.
$35-50,000 per year with daycare being a big chunk of that.
How many of us have children who suffer from illnesses, birth defects, and being poor?
How many more symptoms does the patient need to see before it seeks help?
It's the American Twilight Zone where our enemies rejoice.
That was 10 years ago.
Men in government are so out of touch.
And if it seems like it to you then you probably can't afford a kid.
They hate kids who rely on SNAP, Medicaid, etc. Wouldn't this just cause more of that?