In case you’re interested in the weeds of how bad this is, this is a redline version of Meta’s formerly Hateful SPEECH now Hateful CONDUCT rule. - ThreadSky

klonick.bsky.social • 143 days ago

In case you’re interested in the weeds of how bad this is,

this is a redline version of Meta’s formerly Hateful SPEECH now Hateful CONDUCT rule.

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workspace-public.bsky.social•143 days ago

Seems a lot like they’re just dumbing it down to something that has simple enough syntax for both the users and AI; it’s perhaps telling that they did this after the fake profile scheme. They probably had a lot of bad forecasting data.

gabrielerosati.bsky.social•143 days ago

This choice will backfire on Zuck. Relying on user contributions will impact the quality of data for AI training.

neazil.bsky.social•143 days ago

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rswinnyc.bsky.social•143 days ago

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coralinea.bsky.social•143 days ago

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detrimatey.bsky.social•143 days ago

Notice that he explicitly forbids stating the fact that he’s a spineless coward by labeling it hateful conduct (unlike calling LGBT people slurs or inferior, which is all just fun discourse) 🙄

echo422.bsky.social•143 days ago

I mean, you all call MAGA hateful slurs on here; what's the difference? If you're going to allow free speech, it needs to be for everyone, or you're just a bigot and discriminating.

detrimatey.bsky.social•143 days ago

I agree, which is why he’s a coward for banning mean words unless they’re specifically targeted at LGBT people. Glad to help

cynisthirsty.bsky.social•142 days ago

Don't bother. He's a rager of a bigot.
https://bsky.app/profile/echo422.bsky.social/post/3lfbd5ehhf22n

echo422.bsky.social•143 days ago

Yeah, that's not what it says.

Glad to help.

detrimatey.bsky.social•143 days ago

It quite literally is. You can’t call people cowards even when they are, you can’t insult people based on what their politics are (because he’s soft) but going after their sexuality and their mental capacity is okay as long as it’s because of their sexuality/gender. It should be all or nothing bud

brs04.bsky.social•143 days ago

If someone is hurt, wounded, maimed, or murdered due to the red line, doesn’t this open a window for liable?

blue-barbie.bsky.social•143 days ago

No need to worry when there is a corrupt JD!!

jsiege226.bsky.social•143 days ago

Wow

johnhcampbell.bsky.social•143 days ago

I said I would leave Facebook if the Orange Thug got voted in but stayed, and I have nearly left hundreds of times, but with this it is time to take decisive action, and relegate Facebook to the same status I did Twitter post Elon: extremely minimal usage or time invested on that mess;what a shame..

vdomeras.bsky.social•143 days ago

The Russians will no longer be able to call you an asshole because that is dehumanizing.

emmadanielnews.bsky.social•143 days ago

I’m a local community journalist. I can’t delete Facebook, for my job unfortunately partially relies upon it. As much as we hate to admit it, so many community stories are featured on FB. The changes to the guidelines worry me greatly.

emmadanielnews.bsky.social•143 days ago

@klonick.bsky.social, would you be willing to chat more about the hold Facebook has on smaller communities? I already field misinformation/racism/sexism in local groups. Even before the guideline change, it sometimes feels as if I’m a sole person fielding alt-right misinformation.

kayrae42.bsky.social•143 days ago

I live in a rural community and some people/businesses only communicate via Facebook. We sometimes get local government info from Facebook first, like boil water orders. The website gets updated much later.

dooziefowler.bsky.social•143 days ago

This is akin to big oil letting it all burn

tonycava.bsky.social•142 days ago

Not sure what more we were expecting from the guy who got his start stealing someone else’s idea for ranking women as hot or not.

graciejane.bsky.social•143 days ago

Hate ful? Where did these clowns go to school? Did these clowns go to school?

thierryemanuel.bsky.social•143 days ago

Well luckily we have laws here in Europe against this kind of douchebaggery.

spideyte33.bsky.social•143 days ago

📌

nowhere.bsky.social•143 days ago

What kind of speech does zuck allow about CEOs, just wondering

k-stina.bsky.social•143 days ago

I’m sure we will not be allowed to speak poorly against republicans, Christianity, and CEOs.

skrlet13.bsky.social•143 days ago

"CEOs saved my life, I'll give them all my money and work for them with no salary" ig

jajmjj61.bsky.social•143 days ago

Just wait females will be pushed back to barefoot and pregnant i don't have to worry about pregnant but we have daughters and grand daughters it's sad

jajmjj61.bsky.social•143 days ago

I'm missing something here when did it become legal for pres elect to put his foot on business and demand pay to stay.

sssumbry.bsky.social•143 days ago

Great post, thanks for sharing!

skepmi.bsky.social•143 days ago

GET OFF FACEBOOK

printersflower.bsky.social•143 days ago

Frances Haugen: "The thing I saw at Facebook over & over again was there were conflicts of interest between what was good for the public & what was good for Facebook. And Facebook, over & over again, chose to optimize for its own interests, like making more money."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen-misinformation-public-60-minutes-2021-10-03/

womcat.bsky.social•143 days ago

Wow. How MAGA met META.

jimgsolidarity2025.bsky.social•143 days ago

Never was there because I knew it would end up here.

lawsonvee.bsky.social•143 days ago

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rosieogrady53.bsky.social•143 days ago

The barbarians have crashed the gate.
But Z*uckerberg has been helping GOP sell propaganda & LIES since at least '16. It was always a bigger story in UK than here bc, well, US media bias! From 2018:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/cambridge-analytica-facebook-influence-us-election

rosieogrady53.bsky.social•143 days ago

@Then 2022:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-64075067

jlposs.bsky.social•142 days ago

Take your word for it...tx.

stoshm.bsky.social•143 days ago

gothqueen666.bsky.social•143 days ago

🤬🤬🤬

ekfleming.bsky.social•143 days ago

“If you're a left leaning creator on any Meta platforms, here is why you're getting hit with restrictions.
His name is Dustin Carmack.
Hewrote a chapter of Projectz025.
He is now Meta's public policy director.”

whispereddreams.bsky.social•143 days ago

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eoghan01.bsky.social•143 days ago

Facebook has already directly contributed to a genocide. I can't imagine that weakening their standards will make things better.

loudlong.bsky.social•143 days ago

Repeal DMCA immunity. Let Meta and other platforms face accountability for their publication of false, defamatory, and dangerous speech.

loudlong.bsky.social•143 days ago

"hate ful" [sic] conduct

penbird42.bsky.social•143 days ago

and Facebook was already completely saturated with genocidal Islamophobic propaganda...

leemarquette.bsky.social•143 days ago

You think these billionaires are defenders of free speech? Think again. They’re master manipulators, peddling hate and outrage to keep you glued to their platforms, all while distracting you from their true agenda: consolidating power and profit at your expense. Don’t fall for the facade.

quailprices.bsky.social•143 days ago

Facts

debbiekay.bsky.social•143 days ago

I’m sorry, do you expect those with vision problems to read this tiny tiny print.

drdjb.bsky.social•143 days ago

You can save it and increase the text size.

zur-en-arrh.bsky.social•143 days ago

they are still blocking any mentions of criminality and immorality is what everyone needs to be paying attention to. They are declaring for organized crime and explicitly saying they will allow people to lie and harass others but silence any awareness campaigns

bathory1971.bsky.social•143 days ago

This is...scary

beyvalentine.bsky.social•143 days ago

Don't even need to read this I noticed the change in real time. I'd report comments full of slurs and immediately get a report that it doesn't go against community standards 🙄

alsedes.bsky.social•143 days ago

Always. I've reported outright threats and incitement to violence and been told it doesn't go against community standards.

toddwalker.bsky.social•143 days ago

Always been my experience

justinsigrist.bsky.social•143 days ago

Yeah I was going to say, I’ve reported transphobic and racist comments numerous times and have been told that it doesn’t violate their standards. Now it’s just in writing I guess.

devruane.bsky.social•142 days ago

Deleted my account this morning. Send Mark the message.

better-than-x.bsky.social•143 days ago

But you will still get suspended for calling someone white trash.

uncommongrace25.bsky.social•143 days ago

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richhope.bsky.social•142 days ago

Meta is going the way of X. Free reign for the right wing and 'deboosting' the left. Meta has sided with the coming dictatorship.

doodlemonkey.bsky.social•143 days ago

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hollowrags.bsky.social•143 days ago

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gr4vycat.bsky.social•142 days ago

Meta about to be the new twitter

thefoodandwinediva.bsky.social•143 days ago

How Joseph Goebbels of them.

Zuckerberg becomes more like his hero every day.

danschellauthor.bsky.social•143 days ago

That look when he was in Geneva in 1933 and saw Jewish photog Alfred Eisenstaedt taking his photo.

slippytoad14.bsky.social•142 days ago

I just am at pains to remind people who want to be like him that he murdered his four children before taking his life along with his wife, at the end, and that's the level of character I ascribe to them too.

thefoodandwinediva.bsky.social•143 days ago

😱

michelel66.bsky.social•143 days ago

Leaving Facebook within a few days, waiting for friends to gather contact information and I am downloading all of my content first.

sparky342.bsky.social•143 days ago

I need to get my pics off there. Never thought I would have to worry about Facebook but here we are.

steenarie.bsky.social•143 days ago

Fascinating how 8 months later after hiring Dustin Carmack they are making these policy changes.

899madison.bsky.social•143 days ago

Facebook is trash and always has been.

amandasclark.bsky.social•143 days ago

Women will be the first to suffer because Trump is the elected rapist in chief and he’s given permission to degrade females. Zuckerberg is a misogynist too that’s why he created FB. Women are in danger

bigclt.bsky.social•143 days ago

Why does the policy speak to Muslims having relations with animals?

macoop.bsky.social•143 days ago

I had to check your bio to see how you could come to have this doc. I'm impressed. Not envious of the work you do, but very appreciative. Thanks for sharing here.

kristenfrenchsc.bsky.social•142 days ago

It is publicly available

kristenfrenchsc.bsky.social•142 days ago

Just go to the meta site, here, and then click on the change log, Jan 7, 2025 version is the red line: https://transparency.meta.com/policies/community-standards/hateful-conduct/

macoop.bsky.social•142 days ago

Thanks!

suzyq51.bsky.social•143 days ago

I think this may give me the push I need to say buhbye to Facebook. I'll likely drop in on occasion to see what is happening to friends and family, but just as I left X soon after Musk RUINED IT, I'll need to cut Facebook ties if and when the lack of Fact checking RUINS facebook.

deirdreb.bsky.social•143 days ago

I’d love to do this but I belong to so many local groups that are amazing - local news, community swap meet, charity, networking, grassroots political organizing - that it’s irreplaceable. What’s an alternative for those?

deirdreb.bsky.social•143 days ago

When my kid was in the local school district I needed the parents Facebook group on a daily basis to know what was going on - the school was so terrible at communication.

whatdoyoumean89.bsky.social•143 days ago

Civil rights protests win rights without social media and parents used to school their kids just fine without it.

echo422.bsky.social•143 days ago

So because Musk allowed free speech and finally Zuckerberg will, you think these platforms were ruined. I see; only your approved narrative and beliefs are OK. Is that what I'm understanding? That sounds an awful lot like some totalitarians in history who controlled the narrative & propaganda. 🤔

suzyq51.bsky.social•141 days ago

I believe that all people are entitled to an opinion about things whether I agree or not. However if their opinions are not based on verifiable facts then they are worse than useless.

suzyq51.bsky.social•141 days ago

I'm sure that the founding fathers were not protecting what goes for free speech today. Hate speech, misinformation and Bs from all parts of the political Spectrum are destroying our society and promoting hate.

holalola1st.bsky.social•143 days ago

Jesus Christ

realmikemorin.bsky.social•143 days ago

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synthare.bsky.social•143 days ago

No one cares about facebook beyond 60+ boomers and Marketplace, but it is lovely to see just the right people being completely distraught about some policy guidelines noone will ever be impacted by.

parkercross.bsky.social•143 days ago

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tms5869.bsky.social•143 days ago

As soon as he gave that speech, I deleted my Facebook account.

lugubriouslarry.bsky.social•143 days ago

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thechicagohandyman.bsky.social•143 days ago

Thanks Kate!

foxyoflylat.bsky.social•143 days ago

As a trans woman, I would be in danger on Facebook.

julieseaver.bsky.social•143 days ago

Sending you strength and love 🙏🏼 I will stand up for you.

oliviamandell.bsky.social•143 days ago

Kinda glad I'm not vocal about it. At least no one not in the know irl has called me out yet.

quetz1982.bsky.social•143 days ago

Jesus christ, that bad?

I'm very sorry for hearing this, it's possible to see the effects of fascist rich people like Musk in the management of these social networks, his influence is now taking part with Zuckerberg as it seems now.

yappaholic.bsky.social•143 days ago

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torqanvil.bsky.social•143 days ago

https://transparency.meta.com/policies/community-standards/hateful-conduct/

crash97007.bsky.social•142 days ago

I know you guys think that media has a responsibility to be 'truthful' but be aware: truth is subjective. Laws holding media accountable to 'truth' are easily twisted into censoring opposition. Don't forget. We are now opposition.

meowmykitten.bsky.social•143 days ago

Why is hateful not a full word lol

terracotta10.bsky.social•143 days ago

In addition to the sheer evilness, the soul-selling and proselytizing to the most unworthy human on earth, and the lack of self awareness is astonishing.

famousjameisamos.bsky.social•143 days ago

People who know how to do things: Zuckerberg in gay porn ai?

bantlee.bsky.social•143 days ago

Please don’t send him into our content pool 😭

terriboberry.bsky.social•143 days ago

Leave META spaces…they aren’t safe! They will eventually hunt us down!

twofatdogs.bsky.social•143 days ago

You wanna know how we can fix it? Get off of it.

n0d4chi.bsky.social•143 days ago

Let Meta get effed by EU courts. Maybe we can finally get rid of some social desinformationnetworks

bll4ever.bsky.social•143 days ago

Individuals ought to have divorced themselves from Facebook upon learning they were caught in bed with Cambridge Analytica. 😷

fraucheezpuff.bsky.social•143 days ago

This right here!

kessbeing.bsky.social•143 days ago

Am I understanding correctly? These are the new meta rules??

radiobill.bsky.social•143 days ago

If I could get rid of only one thing in this world besides Donald Trump it would be social media

raenk.bsky.social•143 days ago

I'm new here & admittedly technologically challenged. How do I read other comments to this post? I had a difficult time navigating Facebooger & I never got the hang of Twitter, this is even more complicated to me. Please help.

catpawsc.bsky.social•143 days ago

Just click on the writing by the poster and the comments will appear

duckswithpants.bsky.social•142 days ago

Well, we wouldn't want people to think intimidation, exclusion, and offline violence were frowned on, now would we?

maslydk.bsky.social•143 days ago

That's nasty. Just deleted my instagram along with my facebook. X went 3 weeks ago.

perfumepunk.bsky.social•142 days ago

Our co-op isn't posting on meta medias. We'll probably take a hit financially but worth it! 💖

jennpozner.bsky.social•143 days ago

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thomasthecorgi.bsky.social•143 days ago

Community notes rates this headline as true.

weshlovrcm.bsky.social•143 days ago

How many months till criticism of false idol Dishonest Donald and his fellow MAGAts is forbidden?

graciejane.bsky.social•143 days ago

That’s what this is all about.

blue-barbie.bsky.social•143 days ago

Days, not months!!

toddwalker.bsky.social•143 days ago

You think it’ll take months? Weeks. Days.

weshlovrcm.bsky.social•143 days ago

I'm sure it's coming soon.

thehonkzone.bsky.social•143 days ago

Good to know we don't have to make a Facebook page for the podcast, good lord.

oldgoggles.bsky.social•142 days ago

I feel like the new rules could be tested with Palestinian support posts, cause I’m betting they will still suppress that content.

lucyodin.bsky.social•142 days ago

So if I understand Meta correctly, based on religious and political rhetoric, I can say Donald Trump has significant mental health issues.
Gender: male, Amen.

echo422.bsky.social•143 days ago

So, free speech for all—the horror! As long as it doesn't involve direct threats, doxxing, slandering, or defaming someone, it should be allowed. You can always NOT follow these pages or block. 🤷‍♀️

nevaehrobinson.bsky.social•143 days ago

Its scary how clearly this targets minority and oppressed groups of people.

It’s equally scary how many of the things that have been taken out are things trump has said and done.

derkoolschrank.bsky.social•143 days ago

https://derkoolschrank.com/the-disinformation-age/

frenchspicedoc.bsky.social•143 days ago

📌

sandraeb.bsky.social•142 days ago

Mark zuckaberg is responsible for the death of thousands of the Rohingya people obviously that wasn’t enough.

anndravw.bsky.social•143 days ago

Terrible! Another route to the downfall of humanity

violetvixenisme.bsky.social•142 days ago

I hope Zuckerberg falls on his face!

plasmaships.bsky.social•143 days ago

As a trans person my experience on any Meta app will literally not be any different. I get hate speech all day long and none of it gets taken down

allegragulino.bsky.social•143 days ago

Thank you for sharing. It's depressing that yet another social media hub is becoming a repellant swing to the ass-kisssing billionaire right.

zambeezee.bsky.social•143 days ago

WTAF! They are evil. But we all know this. How is it we’re here again?

lindaluane.bsky.social•143 days ago

I’m still on fb. But in a small manner. Only a few close friends that I know from high school and grade school. And a group I was in before Facebook . And messenger is how I communicate with my kids

auntie-grizelda.bsky.social•143 days ago

Years ago, I looked back thru a Messenger exchange w/ONLY my sister and found FB had REMOVED A LINK I'd sent her for "violating Community Standards."

There is NO WAY she complained to FB about anything like that. She and I are like twins.

If you stay on FB, for gawd's sake don't trust Messenger.

nickfish.me•143 days ago

Thank you for this. Was trying to find the changes and this is incredibly helpful.

korghee.bsky.social•143 days ago

I wonder just how the conversation went that they determined that now it's ok to call Black people farm equipment. I just wonder exactly how they decided on striking that out. What absolute monsters thought that should be ok?

idiocracy47.bsky.social•143 days ago

They moved it down a little ways on their “policy”. I hate that there are people out there saying that kind of 💩.

biggusd.bsky.social•143 days ago

A1 if I had to guess isn't late stage capitalism fun.

lexlegis.bsky.social•143 days ago

Dies this mean we can cheer Luigi in public on Facebook?

pppatticake.bsky.social•143 days ago

📌

lucinda-nelson.bsky.social•143 days ago

It’s so grim

hazytrippindaizies.bsky.social•143 days ago

This makes me more interested in just weed🌬️

novadam.bsky.social•143 days ago

so incredibly gross

klonick.bsky.social•143 days ago

Last page.

derklardenker.bsky.social•143 days ago

wow. that's wild.

jbronson.bsky.social•143 days ago

If I'm reading this right, a rule against calling black people "farm equipment" was removed? And comparing groups of people to diseases is now approved?

vacheestfachee.bsky.social•140 days ago

That part, at least, looks like it was moved to the middle of page 3.

disneymom2twins.bsky.social•143 days ago

And women as "property"

quetz1982.bsky.social•143 days ago

That's just despicable, it should be penalized, at least in regions where these kind of offenses aren't allowed.

I just hope that the EU can limit these new politics from Meta specially.

philoxime.bsky.social•141 days ago

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meccanised.bsky.social•143 days ago

TLDR: so apart from a few Europeans who are offended- it's now a free-for-all hellscape wasteland.

schnitzelfritz.bsky.social•143 days ago

If it let's me troll magats harder...

brookeally.bsky.social•143 days ago

Fire needs oxygen to exist.

DELETE FB & INSTA

#StopFeedingTheBeasts

freezer137.bsky.social•143 days ago

100% yes. Social medias had ingrained in people the fear of missing out, social validation by likes, and a sunken cost fallacy. Sooner people realize that's all BS and to just toss it away, the better.

Social media and the internet has been the best example of a double edged sword

bunlene.bsky.social•143 days ago

I deleted IG & snap chat as soon as he bought them. I’m on on fb bc the antiquated charity group I belong to posts things there

dblthink.bsky.social•143 days ago

Imo tiktok was a top propaganda megaphone in the 2024 election.

Far-right tiktok algo is Russia/Nazi/Charlie Kirk AF.

xoenix.bsky.social•143 days ago

Only idiots think the internet can be censored. The last few years was not "normal", it was a massive, failed attempt to gaslight the public into compliance with globalist totalitarians.

twistedhausreads.bsky.social•143 days ago

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katstwrt.bsky.social•143 days ago

Local education and community groups should think about switching to federated platforms such as Mastodon, where groups can maintain local control while still being able to connect with external communities of their choice.

bathory1971.bsky.social•143 days ago

And my local council and fellow residents are MAGA!

jeanparmesean.bsky.social•143 days ago

Already deleted IG and I got rid of FB along time ago. I'm disappointed about IG.its slowly gotten worse over time

andrewgarton.bsky.social•143 days ago

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flukestarbucker.bsky.social•143 days ago

sweetjimmy72.bsky.social•142 days ago

Lol they had to specifically say you can't insult someone's intelligence for their political beliefs... Seems pretty in the nose. Who are the snowflakes again? 🤣😂🤣

silverado17.bsky.social•143 days ago

Just deleted all

grunteledboomer.bsky.social•143 days ago

SO, basically, "IF you're a pussy and can't handle criticism, AND are a liberal, GO THE FUCK AWAY, and leave us alone"..

rollforsanity.bsky.social•143 days ago

FB is where forums went. Hopefully forums will make a glorious return. Forums run by various and sundry companies and people

The convenience of 'one stop browsing' will be gone (is RSS still around?) but FB was never a good replacement

And no. Discord isn't a forum replacement either

kattmanduu.bsky.social•143 days ago

Don’t mean to be rude but F*CK ZUCK!

crowsbranch.bsky.social•143 days ago

This is horrific

newleaf.bsky.social•143 days ago

The extension of this logic is that we can only have national security by ruling the entire planet.

abernus.bsky.social•143 days ago

Our faith in our government has been shaken badly; our faith in our courts has been shaken badly. That doesn't mean it's all been destroyed. Zuck the fuck is just begging to be sued in a gigantic class action suit. I know their ultimate hope is to get it to the Supreme court.

bonytree.bsky.social•143 days ago

Twitter to X 2.0

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