The problem with Dems chasing public opinion is that THE PUBLIC'S VIEW OF THINGS IS JUST MOVING IN RESPONSE TO WHAT POLITICAL FIGURES SAY AND IT'S VERY OBVIOUS IN THE DATA MY GOD
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I cannot begin to fathom the kind of ignorance, stupidity, and utter brainwashing required to think badly of a man fighting for his country - against Russia, no less.
WTF has happened...???
From the chart it's not so much the general public that is following what political figures say. It's a certain section of the public that tends to wear red dummy caps.
And I don’t know who the Dems are listening to or getting info re “public opinion “. Almost like they get their info from republicans rather than their base.
The poll-chasers and model-fetishists should get into weather reporting instead of treating public opinion like weather (precisely measurable and uncontrollable)
I’ll say this about the public at large: uninformed, not st all curious, and lacking in the ability to think beyond their own pocketbook or household in general.
this proves what I've been saying. bullshit is driving the conversation. bullshit won the election for trump. if dems don't do something to counter the 24/7 bs from the right, we're permanently screwed.
By abruptly stopping intelligence sharing, instead of creating a transition period with Europe, he blinded Ukraine. As a result, dozens of civilians were killed last night.
"Gosh, we just can't figure out how to fight the narratives our political opponents are creating using their overwhelming control of the Media, so we'll have to go along."
Every day I search "hero" on #bsky and Zelinskyy is the person most shared worldwide. That doesn't change the US media's complicity in making demagogues. I mostly think the media can't figure out that the game has changed but reporting hasn't.
WTF-happened-today reports without giving him air.
Nothing in the last month has changed my values and love of democracy. It’s surprising how many of us easily give those things up based on one man or a political party
Please help make this go viral! We have to step up our game because our representatives are clearly not going to save us from this fast moving coup! The only thing we really can do that's nonviolent is slow production. Cost them money. Don't get fired. Don't hurt anyone. But do more where youcan
Natural response in a cult. Deeper they get, the firmer they will grip to whatever lies the orange felon tells them, until his brown shirts come knocking on their door. And then it will be too late.
You know, it clicked with me that this is what that one W. Bush staffer meant by "you're the reality-based community, but we're creating our own reality, and while we create our realities, you're just going to be left studying what we do." We're watching that happen now in real time and it sucks.
It really does feel like they're just doing stuff while a lot of establishment Dems are stuck just goggling at it going "WHAT is HAPPENING, they can't DO THAT! DOES NOT COMPUTE." The bad thing about establishing themselves as the Party That Plays By The Book is that they feel bound to that.
Because the moment they stop playing "by the book," they feel their credibility and moral rightness is gone and then everything is just chaos and it's just a nasty fight between two equally morally bankrupt entities. But the moral rightness came from compassion, not always playing it by the book.
Because "the book" has advocated for some pretty nasty things in our country's history (genocide, slavery, colonialism and commodification.) There are times to throw the book aside and remember that our side believes in compassion, vs their side which is nasty performative cruelty for its own sake.
The problem with your argument is also quite apparent in this chart, as it happens. Trump has managed to influence Republican opinion on Trump and precious little else. Was anybody disputing Trump's influence on Republican rank-and-file?
Ya, the importance of this chart [and it not just this question or this poll] is that this effect is widely asymmetric. This effect is seen all over, but the important thing is it always 5x to 10x bigger for Rs/cons as they are brainwashed morons.
That's because cowardly Democrats have continually let Republicans control the political narrative in this country for decades now.
If you let your opponent go unchallenged when they attack - and boy do Republicans attack! - then don't be shocked if national polls start reflecting those attacks.
Lets start a list of the BS:
-Transgender mice
-$10 Million for condoms for Gaza
-DOGE saving billions
-Canada's unfair treatment of the US
-Dead people collecting Social Security
-He'd end the war in 24 hours
-Ukraine started the war
-Statements around NATO
-Lower prices and inflation
.....
When 50%+ of the US population is functionally illiterate (including the Don) what is heard over and over without evidence becomes their truth. You have to have reasoning skills that go beyond figuring out if that is the left or right shoe.
Its unfortunate for all the decent people that things will need to get an awful lot worse before the maggots realise they've been lied to all along - there must be a tipping point somewhere where they wake up - But how many must die beforehand ?
That's because 100 miles from any urban center in the USA, broadcast media is mostly Christian White Nationalism. It's a huge problem. If you are only getting a Republican set of facts, you believe the lies.
GOP are sculpting their propagandized rhetoric clearing road so drivers can sprint to unknown destinations in record time while Dems are tenuously leaning against a flexing shifting wall neither inhibiting in it’s collapse nor support. Those attempting to reinforce it out #’d by the 🤫 constraintists
We need to FORM opinion. That there's a way forward. Everyone ultimately wants to go to have normal life. Normal should be an easy sell. Doing what you say you'll do. LOL. Insane, but that's what people want.
The Canada thing is a perfect example of this. Annexing Canada, starting beef w/ Canada wasn't even a part of Trump's stump speech during the campaign but suddenly, 4 weeks ago, when gramps suddenly developed a grudge against Canada, every Republican had to fall in line behind this insane idea.
‘gramps’. I love this! Please we have to use this more. Gramps really needs a home and JD may be helping him put on diapers while Elon is high in the room next door fielding calls from Putin.
If you want to know the inception into Trump's insanity of ideas check out @jennycohn.bsky.social and the inter-weaving of Musk, Theil, and others she coined as the 'Tech Bros', billionaires who have Trump's ear, mind and dreams of extreme grift. They exploit what Trump already is weak and greedy.
I am so tired of the tariff on and off bullshit. It’s like everyday the turd wakes up thinking of new ways to just cause chaos for everyone, and to keep his name up front and centre in all media, even if it’s not for good reasons.
Right here, baby it’s us, whatever is going to happen over the next three years, we are our own heroes, so start thinking about what cool community small business you are going to start, because they are destroying everything and we are going to need to take care of each other
The Maga and White House propaganda is BIG and Constant.
Frankly, I've seen what ugly banal things trumps followers post and say. They can think whatever they want , I want nothing to do with them. We have to work AROUND them. No compromising or negotiating with nazis, terrorists, racists, idiots.
far as I can tell, all you ever do is sit in your cozy office and criticize others
never ever do you have the balls to say what you think people should do
Yes that’s how it works. Political figures say things. When they’re kgb operatives shredding the US Constitution and Democracy you might have the polar opposite view of the kgb operatives sycophants.
The entire point of being a leader is to LEAD.
trump is horrible, but people follow his extreme nonsense and hate.
Dems need to confidently push for their beliefs and people will follow.
The first Dems to figure that out and do it will become very popular.
The problem for America is not Trump, it's the electorate. Their endorsement means that the world cannot trust them to elect a stable and reliable Government for the foreseeable future. Allies will move away from the US and protect themselves. A disaster for the US. The most historic FAFO ever.
Data should be instructive, never directive. It can help you make choices, but you also need to know where you might be able to drive data in your direction, rather than just take advantage of it.
In this case, I think the data is showing that the current wedge point is Musk’s shadow Presidency.
Does YouGov have a bias? I went to the site and couldn't find how many were polled or how they polled, so the graph is kind of useless. I mean, aside from showing Republicans are sheep.
You're like the communist intellectuals who claim everyone channels class interests *except for the communist intellectuals*.
How do you think your constant attacks on Democrats affect the public's view of things?
Everyone has *some* influence, but prominent elected leaders are important tastemakers for partisans. As a partisan hack who will just repeat that whatever Dems are doing is wise and just, surely you must understand how your opinions can be hacked by the the actions of party leadership?
What % of Republican propaganda would you say focuses on complaints about Democrats relatively fecklessness in combatting conservative malfeasance or interest in dominating media narratives? Can you point to some examples?
If you cannot disagree with or criticize Democrats without personal attacks or accusations of moral failure etc., then those attacks are your actual content and the rest is just an attempt to disguise your real agenda.
(I call you a partisan hack because you appear to reflexively defend whatever Democratic leadership is doing and view pointed criticism of Democratic leadership as per se illegitimate to express in practice).
I have many criticisms of the Democrats and their leadership. Your grievance is that I won't join you in attacking their characters and smearing the entire party.
Even today right wing wackos will use Pelosi's total lethargy 2019-2020 as proof that the orange man didn't commit crimes, do corruption, or have conflicts of interests. "If he did something wrong they would've impeached him for it" they say.
Leaders' actions and inaction have huge consequences.
I remember noticing this ~30 years ago when I was in elementary school. Like, you're eight years old and you are not displaying stellar performance in social studies. You should not have confident opinions on SCOTUS decisions or domestic policy, and it's obvious they're coming from outside.
@democrats.org need another century to learn about shaping the conversation rather than responding to it. The spent the last decade on the defense against things that they shouldn’t even bother legitimizing with an answer.
This is essentially a chart of the activity of the MAGA-Musk-Putin disinformation campaign at work. You can see that it’s not targeted at Dems, and Dems are likely not as receptive anyway (why they’re not particularly targeted).
DEMS only talk about what the republicans are saying and doing - which lets them dominate the public sphere. They parrot their talking points non-stop - and I wish they would fucking stop! We have no DEM leadership, we have puppets who can't see the strings
USA is going to be without friends soon, or Trump is at least..But he use US like a bat and keeps swinging. He is like Putin, thinking countries is up for grabs..a pretty little buffé,, all you can eat.. Who is next after Ukraine?
This mostly looks like a problem with republicans. My theory for Dems is the recent insane stuff Trump did to Ukraine shook some of them awake. Meanwhile republicans gobble up whatever dear leader shits out no matter how evil and repulsive it is.
The Democrats simply aren't getting their message out. The things I do see / hear lack VOLUME, BREADTH of reach, COHERENCE, and APPEAL to MIODERATE voters.
Obviously the President gets the bigger bullhorn, but that's always the case. Dems are still on the back foot as far as I can tell.
I couldn’t believe that imbecilic pig fell backward into the presidency the last time. I’m really flummoxed this time as the first term was such a cluster.
Trump’s strength is his hold on the stupid and racist. Dems have the educated, they need to focus on trump fools and turn enough to fix us.
Very Sad that MAGA hearts are so easily swayed to drop caring about others, that is until they are personally targeted, then suddenly we are united by a common enemy. Such is war. 😑
The very fact that dems went one way and republicans went the other way proves its not just "based on what they say", but a logical analysis of it by at least 1 side lol
how does this prove it's just "based on what they say" and not also based on all the reading into and evaluating the probable impacts of "what they say"?
Like what else do we have to go on, what metric should we be using?
The political problem with Dems is not chasing public opinion, it's abiding by the strictures on telling truth to power dictated by the donor class, rendering them unable to tell the ugly, damning truth about the Republican Party. https://bsky.app/profile/shepherdone.bsky.social/post/3ljpvphqzh226
The Democrats are just using excuses for their seeming complacency. The fact is that their high ticket donors do not want them to oppose Trump, so they don't. It's very simple.
Dems are always moving in response to POTUS47 administration. They have always let him set the agenda and dictate the topics of the day and determine the public narrative and focus the public attention and thats why they lose everytime. Not a single commanding presence among the lot of them.
IF the dems chased popular opinion they would be in Trump's face & Johnsons' face & making demands about Elon NOT hiding under their desks & they would be taking action & more action & they do nothing - we hate them & want all of them gone -they are worthless @schumer.senate.gov @aoc.bsky.social
If you filter out the “Oval office brawl” effect, Zelensky ‘s favorability is slow but consistently going down. Only fools got tricked by a single data point.
They are absolutely terrified of doing anything that looks like leadership. It's a disgrace, an abdication of duty, and an abandonment of those they claim to represent.
Dems are always trying to explain, they see Trump say fentanyl is coming from Canada and feel like they need to show the facts showing the US sends more drugs to Canada by far. But their response should just be absurd and say "Trump and Vance does fentanyl" and then let republicans respond to that.
The fun part is you can do both: More fentanyl was prescribed in the White House during the first Trump presidency then was seized at the border with Canada.
imo even that is ceding the narrative, the reason low info voters should think fentanyl is in the news is because Trump and Vance are junkies and that is all they need to know.
I hope that chart is not accurate. The 2 people I stay in touch with that are GOP actually hate Russia and support Zelensky. I had hoped that was a representative of Republicans, but then I believed in the tooth fairy for a long time.
Jesus, that Republican number after the Oval Office meeting. What a piece-of-shit mindless cult. I don’t know how any logical, thoughtful American is supposed to engage with these GOP fuckers EVER. They’re so fucking stupid!
That crowd tracks what its media sources are saying, so it's both a problem of what drives the views of their tastemakers and a problem the crowd trusting them. It's easy to reduce this into Trump's cult of personality, which is doubtless important, but there's a wall of propaganda behind it.
It works 100% of the time with the base, eventually—dragging others with it. That’s why I see the economy getting fucked, US foreign policy a sewage fire, Social Security on the line, and I worry that Dems don’t understand: they need to have a plan for when they get blamed for all of it.
He didn't allow our daddy and our new eyeliner model to lie on TV, and that will not fly when we are trying to sell spoiled food and fake cures as premium products
This is why, last year, polling showed that it was primarily republicans who were unhappy with life and the economy despite the jobs numbers, inflation, etc all improving. It’s because they only watch Fox News and believe the propaganda being shoved down their throats.
Exactly. Unfortunately, main stream media started following Fox doom and gloom or carefully attempted to play both sides for their business interests but not in the pursuit of truth. Any media with x in the name is disinformation.
You aren't wrong but I am pretty sure that People Magazine quote has been debunked. Fox News was not radical in 1998 either.
Look at "trust in elections" after Trump won. GOP had said they were unfair and rigged. These same people were told all was well and changed their minds overnight w a win.
Fox initially practiced deception by exclusion. If they didn't want to show something, they just didn't show it. There wasn't nearly as much outright lying.
Right. When trump lost,they believed it was rigged because they were told it was rigged. And when trump won, there was zero discussion of a rigged election on Fox. So they therefore magically trusted elections again.
it's like... the entire point of a Political Party is to Influence Public Opinion
and Dems are mostly like...
"we can't possibly do that because will be mean to us! Better Play dead! (Carville)"
Yep. Say nothing get nothing. Dems are letting Republicans control the story. I know media has a part to play on this but many Democrats don't understand that media is driving the narative
And a million town halls can't fix that
What's even more infuriating is that on some level they *know* this and do it anyways. Their dumping of trans people is a good example, as it distracts from their coziness with the same billionaires boosting Trump and also the fact that "polite" Dem messaging failed Harri
Bernie did not chase public opinion during the 2020 Democratic Primary and lost to a candidate with no charisma, no money and limited establishment backing(until 3 days before Super Tuesday). Pragmatism isn’t always the wrong choice
100%! I have been so frustrated by this. They could lead and try to change the narrative instead of simply reacting to the lies the public believes. They sit back and passively let the gaslighting and propaganda win.
The public's view? Seems Dems view is based on the reality of the situation while Republicans' views are solely based on what GOP talking heads (weighing Trump heavily) say.
US adult citizens, I assume, include both groups and are an average of all surveyed (and tanked with the Republican 180)
Nothing funnier than imagining people earnestly believing they’ve reconsidered their stance—when in reality, their party just hit ‘install update’ while they slept.
Democrat's are backing Ukraine because we practice enlightened self-interest, Republicans back Putin because they only understand the second half of that.
The problem with writing "Dems" is that the Democratic Party is a diverse coalition that in a parliamentary system would be 3 or 4 different parties. So either name names in posts like this or stop doing the GOP's work for them.
I think the diagram proves that every person is influenced by the info they consume and it’s more dramatic/clear if you only have one source, if you’re somebody that seeks out information from a variety of sources, countries, perspectives, then regardless of your party, you probably move erratically
The GOP do seem to stick to the same three sources, and so I think their public opinion data points cluster together, and that could happen in any party, but you’re probably going to see more variety of thought outside of GOP supporters.
I've been waiting for everyone to have an "It's the propaganda, stupid." moment for about 2 years now. The right-wing infosphere has been bagging on Zelensky and hugging Putin for years and years now. It doesn't immediately take, but the slow drip takes hold surprisingly quickly.
But Dems are clearly NOT chasing public opinion. Public opinion is obviously chasing Republican talking points.
This is why none of the Dem navel-gazing makes any sense to me. What are they to do? Half of the American people don't want facts, analysis, rational policy, etc. They just want Trump.
It is kinda scary that almost a third is fully MAGA. But it is not 50%.
The portrayal that "half" of the country is down the R rabbit hole is just wrong and is indicative of the false equivalence that the media is pushing for ratings. The R's use it to claim a mandate.
Half of the country is either down that hole or so switched off it doesn't matter. Dems had four years to make the case that Trump would (again) be a disaster, to get out the vote, etc. It wasn't enough. The fact that "only" ~1/3 are hard core MAGA is irrelevant.
Dems: "Trump is a threat to our Republic."
People: "I can't afford anything."
Dems: "Here's how we can address that."
People: "Life was better under Trump."
Dems: "We literally had a recession, a whole lotta people died, and there was an attempted coup."
People: "All you care about is trans DEI."
The People are the problem. They're lazy, ignorant, distracted, gerrymandered, vote-suppressed, etc.
Tens of millions did not vote (as per usual). Dems assume those are potential votes in their column. I don't buy it. Why assume the proportions D & R are any different from those that do vote?
I assume these lowest of information voters are, if anything, most likely swayed by the loudest voices, and our airwaves are saturated with GOP content.
Also, short of major structural change to make voting easier, we're just nibbling at the margins. What more can be done to 'get out the vote'?
No it’s moving according to Republican messaging way more than Dems. Because they have the internet and the local media. Because they have the money. That always gets overlooked bc Dems fund things more above-board, like the DNC getting more donations I think
Yes but the problem is that a manipulator selling a story will unfortunately beat an honest person telling the truth. Only direct, negative experience will change things now - a truth a lot of folks don't want to see. Dems are simply not at fault here and there isn't much they can do.
The vast majority of people are fully determined by their conditions.
Their conditions in upbringing, the immediate surrounding social conditions and the condition of who their accepted authorities are and what those say.
Any elected or other govt. authority has power to change what people think.
But the journalists are dumb as shit Will. NYT just said the economy was firing on all cylinders while Biden was president but they never said that before!
The Shorian argument is that partisans are moving in response to political figures but some voters aren't partisans and won't simply take instructions from political leaders.
Some things are lead by thought leaders, sometimes the public won't budge on an issue no matter what the though leaders say. It is often difficult to see the difference in such cases before the behaviour manifests.
Keeping your powder dry until after you lose the war is not a very effective strategy. I wish Jeffries, Schumer and the other elected ostriches would learn that.
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Right wing news amplifies even small amounts of bias.
WTF has happened...???
Doctor: try not flapping them?
By abruptly stopping intelligence sharing, instead of creating a transition period with Europe, he blinded Ukraine. As a result, dozens of civilians were killed last night.
He is now a war criminal 😡
Treat him as such.
💙💛 Slava Ukraini! 💙💛
Fuck every Republican - they no longer get to say “we’re patriots”. They’re Benedict Arnold worshipping assholes
WTF-happened-today reports without giving him air.
• sample size?
• selection bias?
• nonresponse bias?
• volunteer bias?
• researcher bias?
• literally watching
and/or listening to DISINFORMATION from right-wing media for years bias?!?
And MAYBE we are
MORE than 🔵 or 🔴 🤦🏼♀️
sigh
Kind of reminds me of this study. https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/9/8/16270040/trump-clinton-supporters-racist
If you let your opponent go unchallenged when they attack - and boy do Republicans attack! - then don't be shocked if national polls start reflecting those attacks.
-Transgender mice
-$10 Million for condoms for Gaza
-DOGE saving billions
-Canada's unfair treatment of the US
-Dead people collecting Social Security
-He'd end the war in 24 hours
-Ukraine started the war
-Statements around NATO
-Lower prices and inflation
.....
Your "god" .... WHAT? SHOW SOME FUCKING INTELLIGENCE.
They have no meaning any more, just an exclamation mark or emphatic remark....
(my opinion)🤷♀️
That's why they want to chase out AP and NPR, the last bastions of fact that still penetrate non-urban America.
Even the cons want everyone else following rules.
A U.S. invasion of Canada will be WWIII.
Vance Vought Musk & Trump are fucking with everyone EXCEPT Russia.
To them it’s fun, they like doing it. They get off this way. The whole world is loosing it, and these 4 turds are laughing.
We need to look out for each other.
Frankly, I've seen what ugly banal things trumps followers post and say. They can think whatever they want , I want nothing to do with them. We have to work AROUND them. No compromising or negotiating with nazis, terrorists, racists, idiots.
far as I can tell, all you ever do is sit in your cozy office and criticize others
never ever do you have the balls to say what you think people should do
Probably not. Ugh.
trump is horrible, but people follow his extreme nonsense and hate.
Dems need to confidently push for their beliefs and people will follow.
The first Dems to figure that out and do it will become very popular.
In this case, I think the data is showing that the current wedge point is Musk’s shadow Presidency.
Who will stand up and speak loudly and enter the stages in the US media. Who unites and leads these democrats now.
And where is KAMALA?
How do you think your constant attacks on Democrats affect the public's view of things?
Leaders' actions and inaction have huge consequences.
And they call us sheep. SMDH.
It is a structured, nefarious campaign.
Why do you think Musk paid 44B to buy Twitter?
Yesterday, the US elections, today Ukraine, Germany, tomorrow Europe.
https://theconcernedbird.substack.com/p/elon-musks-and-xs-role-in-2024-election?r=ezg75&triedredirect=true
Obviously the President gets the bigger bullhorn, but that's always the case. Dems are still on the back foot as far as I can tell.
Why is there no free liberal or even neutral news programming that's FREE.
PBS isn't everywhere on antenna.
Trump’s strength is his hold on the stupid and racist. Dems have the educated, they need to focus on trump fools and turn enough to fix us.
how does this prove it's just "based on what they say" and not also based on all the reading into and evaluating the probable impacts of "what they say"?
Like what else do we have to go on, what metric should we be using?
What I see is America falling to a king who controls the media.
Rich gets richer with tax breaks, even richer.
Creating job losses via defunding everything.
Firing federal and re-hiring some is just a distraction.
They want them gone.
Fixed incomes and young employees take the worst hit.
The US has made it quite clear they don't care about Ukraine.
"America is detoxing" MAGAt says
IDIOTS
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/07/trump-treasury-secretary-detox-economy/81932662007/
PAY ATTENTION TO THE ACTUAL TREASON.
https://bsky.app/profile/scooptown.bsky.social/post/3ljq5pu4cbs2s
By summer a majority of the morons in this country will believe Zelenskyy is a dictator who invaded Russia.
How do we portray this to make the Left be the enemy? How do we downplay and embrace what Trump is doing
They influence it.
For better or for worse.
Obama, Trump, JFK, Reagan, FDR, T. Roosevelt, Adams, Jefferson, Churchill, Hitler, etc.
All are examples of this.
We need Leadership. Not figureheads.
And of course GQPers are Soviet sympathizers
https://bsky.app/profile/mlsins.bsky.social/post/3ljsd6yxsjc23
Look at "trust in elections" after Trump won. GOP had said they were unfair and rigged. These same people were told all was well and changed their minds overnight w a win.
It was magic!
https://fullfact.org/online/fake-trump-quote-republican-voters-recirculating/
They just went from playing the dog whistle to the vuvuzeula
and Dems are mostly like...
"we can't possibly do that because
And a million town halls can't fix that
everyone: why don’t you just… don’t play it?
deprogram the cult
talk nicely to the maggots any chance you get and very very friendly ask gentle questions and try see it their way
gentle gentle
convert them quietly with kindness
US adult citizens, I assume, include both groups and are an average of all surveyed (and tanked with the Republican 180)
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All Dems Are multi color, multi cultural, not like all Repubs 🧑🦳👩🦳👴
This is why none of the Dem navel-gazing makes any sense to me. What are they to do? Half of the American people don't want facts, analysis, rational policy, etc. They just want Trump.
The portrayal that "half" of the country is down the R rabbit hole is just wrong and is indicative of the false equivalence that the media is pushing for ratings. The R's use it to claim a mandate.
Without changing any minds, we can win elections by increasing voter turnout.
IMHO, we should hammer home that Trump and the GOP are unconstitutionally reforming the govt to dilute the power of voters.
People: "I can't afford anything."
Dems: "Here's how we can address that."
People: "Life was better under Trump."
Dems: "We literally had a recession, a whole lotta people died, and there was an attempted coup."
People: "All you care about is trans DEI."
Tens of millions did not vote (as per usual). Dems assume those are potential votes in their column. I don't buy it. Why assume the proportions D & R are any different from those that do vote?
Also, short of major structural change to make voting easier, we're just nibbling at the margins. What more can be done to 'get out the vote'?
Until we de- and re-program the American electorate to value facts, a society, etc., we get nowhere. This problem is DEEP.
Their conditions in upbringing, the immediate surrounding social conditions and the condition of who their accepted authorities are and what those say.
Any elected or other govt. authority has power to change what people think.
Some things are lead by thought leaders, sometimes the public won't budge on an issue no matter what the though leaders say. It is often difficult to see the difference in such cases before the behaviour manifests.
Whatever Trump likes, I have a visceral dislike about that person, thing, or action.
Of course, it’s all backed up by reasoned evaluation of the evidence.
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