I keep trying to think about best case scenarios instead of worst case ones, and the best case scenario is the bottom dropping out of Trump’s support, ala post Jan 6th or W in 08. The problem is it’s hard to see that happening absent some big catastrophe that also causes huge amounts of human misery
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Maybe distinction w/out difference in practice, in terms of long term. If we malaise through trump but next guy is harder edged
Simply bc the Tea Party lied thru their teeth about the ACA & by stirring the flames of racism against President Obama... WITHOUT ANYONE being catastrophically hurt, on the contrary.
Hardship usually galvanizes the followers. For them, it will be a righteous struggle that any true patriot would happily endure because Dear Leader has said it’s the only way to make America great again.
Those are the voters who will flip back when the sucky reality of Trump 2.0 sets in.
Sometimes I overly-focus on the intense MAGA base—probably for obvious reasons—but you’re absolutely right about that.
And on the other side I can’t imagine a mass movement that the left doesn’t hate. If it’s big enough to matter it’ll have to appeal to normie center right people.
I take solace in the fact that two of my favorite commentators are talking to each other on BlueSky.
When are you having @brianklaas.bsky.social on All In to talk about Fluke @chrislhayes.bsky.social? Please?
It's going to get difficult for them I suspect when the travel
They will not be welcome
I'd bet on quite a few fights breaking out on cruise ships for example
Trump supporters have been trained to believe whatever they are told.
In Trump's 1st term, he repeatedly stressed the importance of job creation; this was completely absent from his 2024 campaign. His supporters learnt not to think about it.
Millions of (brainwashed) Trump supporters currently think that he's doing a marvellous job, and they'll keep thinking that.
How do you come back from a situation in which half the politicians in power are actively abetting destroying the government? Especially if they “lose” just because of an election in which control of 1 house flips.
Either there’s a disaster that destroys the party -
It’s practically impossible to reform our constitution, but that’s what’s needed, so there will be no relief on that end,
Italy rewrote its constitution in 1948.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
But when you live in a right-wing echo chamber that keeps you insulated from facts, the only thing that will break through is personal suffering.
In this house, we have been calling it the Great Culling. It is coming and scary AF.
https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:q3idlfqnmy2ue2fitw2akbrr/post/3ljlh5mbs2c2f
Project 2025 is a six-month plan. This means that the 2026 election will be rigged if we don't stop them NOW.
In the UK the latest poll shows that even the RW Farage supporters now despise Trump
https://westenglandbylines.co.uk/politics/the-boys-are-back-in-town-reflections-on-the-psychology-of-trumpworld/
I feel for them, in the same way I feel for Germans who went travelling post WWII.
They didn’t stop it before it spread, Americans have some time I guess 🤷🏻♂️
It's threatening a Commonwealth country in Canada
I'd bet we aren't far from American's not welcome signs going up
Sounds extreme but people will want to back at Trump & Vance
This time it's very different
I think a catastrophic weather event may also be a game changer
When folks in rural and red states-who carry the brunt of hurricanes and tornados-can’t get FEMA assistance and ins. doesn’t pay they will find out!
First the farmers
Then vets
Then Medicaid
Then MAGA
Dominos.
Protests will just result in major law enforcement.
Or Hiroshima 1945, if things get *really* bad.
America' exceptionalism has never been something that prevents us from doing evil, and now most decent human beings and their countries have all the reasons they need to turn on us.
Things are very chaotic, and he has nothing to worry about: The Supreme Court declared that a President can't be held accountable!
I'd rather see the Blue states split off and join Canada.
But here we are. And we're not in a bar or a college dorm, but discussing it out in the open.
If we hit a recession worse than the Great Depression, we'll see it. Add another pandemic to that and...
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/true-story-death-stalin-180965119/
Pitch forks?
Trump is a virus!
People are so put off by the high price of eggs under Trump that they vote D in the 3 upcoming House Special Elections (2 in Fl, 1 in NY) and the Democrats take control of the US House of Representatives!
Once even the moronic republicans abandon him and become feisty, he can then switch to martial law and who knows maybe even re-write the constitution.
It is not difficult to do, and the public are already calling for it.
Nothing
Nightly network newscasts are the only news most red staters get all day.
Even #MAGA people, themselves or elderly parents Rely on these services. It won't matter what lies they tell in the magashere to justify the cuts.
That's SS & Medicare money is MINE! I put that money in that acct. I want it back!
If support drops off & there’s civil unrest he’ll introduce ‘emergency measures’ to clamp down on the ‘lefties destroying our country’ & then ‘suspend elections until order is restored.’
https://generalstrikeus.com/
My fear has been realized today. Trump has made exceptions to his idiocracy to auto industry
We are in a giant game of chicken to see who jumps first, imho
But when his base starts to turn, they will amp up fear of arrest/harm at expense of Dems- to scare them back into submission for a bit longer
My only hope is that MAGA will realize they’re losing government benefits that they depended on and then they will wake up.
But I’m not hopeful.
i sooooooo want blue states to hold on to fed taxes but not gonna happen anytime soon
People literally died from refusing medical treatment and/or over dosing on horse dewormer for their “Jim”.
In Canada...when we talk about keeping up the fight we say...
ELBOWS UP...
you take all this out, what do you have left? 340 million really angry people
Considering Trump's chief techno-nazi Musk has decimated Social Security staff, this may end up happening much sooner than even faster than Project 2025 wanted.
https://www.ngrippel.com/ngr-politics.html
Trump's support is eroding, bit by bit. Soon it will become a trickle, then a small stream, then a river - and then a flood.
Bad decisions, and arrogance, have a way of catching up.
People will only go SO far - before insult and a lack of concern, are accepted.
It's coming.
Silicon Valley Whistleblowers Warn Elon Musk 'Hijacking' Republicans to Control Entire US Government
https://america2.news/content/files/2025/02/Musk-NRx-Memo-February-5-2025.pdf
https://malcolmnance.substack.com/p/urgent-warning-trump-is-planning?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=2fxdua&triedRedirect=true
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1989-1992/tiananmen-square#
Remember, if someone tells him that he's wrong, he'll keep doing it.
What?
Do you not think people are being hurt by his actions already?
Maybe if the news actually reported what’s happening people would understand what’s at stake.
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Budget crisis looming.
The last head of SSA says the checks are likely NOT going out in a month or two
Feds have to reveal what they do every week to a bunch of 20 year old gamers while Russia is free to hack that same info
What else?
Oh yeah, no more flu shots.
Will that do?
Could happen if a recession occurs which I think is likely based upon all of the economic data we are seeing now
Hence no leverage.