“Trying to appeal to a voter who will congratulate you for scolding a member of your own party for peacefully protesting fascism is a losing game because that voter does not exist.”
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I grew up and went to high school in the NY 3rd CD. A long time ago when Lester Wolff was our boring congressman. Nobody imagined a Suozzi let alone a Santos (or whatever his real name is).
And it doesn't even matter if that type of voter does exist, it is morally wrong to obstruct the fight against fascism. That fight includes challenging fascists at every step. Do not be polite to fascists. Encourage being rude to fascists.
sadly, I don't think Our Own Marie was trying to appeal to anybody from around here. i think she has taken refuge in the Blue Dog identity (in which she partly believed at the outset). let's ask Martin Niemöller how a similar strategy worked out for him.
the voter does exist, but they are completely unwinnable. they voted for trump and will keep doing so while calling ron desantis a radical gay communist. a party that pulls their vote away would have to be worse than trump
The national results show Green Party candidate Dr. Jill Stein received 53% of the Muslim vote, followed by President-elect Donald Trump with 21% and Vice President Kamala Harris with 20%
- The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
Winner take all/two party system allows tiny groups to game it. I’m not going anywhere. I’m all Dem. But until we reform the electoral college system there will be spoilers. And it’s been doing a number on democracy for years.
Can we please just get a new party. I will never vote for a Democrat again(obviously not a Republican). Never. I'm pretty sure 10s of millions of people agree with me.
Thank you! I've been chastised for calling out complacent dem leaders. I'm told I'm wasting my energy or not showing proper solidarity. F that!
I'm not abusive, but I do expect my reps to speak out in this moment of crisis. The other side took the gloves off long ago, it's time we get in the ring.
Any Democrat not currently standing up to and fighting the fascist coup must be voted out. They are nothing but foxes in the hen house. At least you know what you’re getting with Republicans, a coup. Spineless Dems need to go!!
It's time the Democrats started playing the same game as the GOP. Either vote against the GOP or get primaried. Watch Trump pull his congress together why Dems vote with them in hopes of reciprocation that will NEVER happen.
I'll grant that some Dems in swingy districts really do chase the "I'm not like other Dems" general election message at all costs. Some Republicans do the same.
But really, if it's about being reelected, the main audience for this performative moderation is corporate donors.
The other thing, of course, is that many of these "Dems" would be Republicans if the Republican party hadn't all taken crazy pills. Pro-corporate, mostly socially conservative but not totally Trump-pilled politicians end up in the Democratic party these days.
But he's black. They are appealing to white nationalism. Which Biden was protected for. Wait.... are liberals no longer good with telling black and brown people to STFU? Damn. Wish you had started sooner. You thought white supremacy wasn't cannibalistic?
Called up my congresswoman to say the exact same thing after her vote. Tied very much to the “higher ideal” of bipartisanship that has literally never served to improve a bill, not once. Beltway brainworms from DC punditry who are mostly Republicans masquerading as centrists + squishy nihilist libs.
I agree with Malcom Nance, primary all 10 immediately. Get real democrats in those seats. We have had enough of this crap. I agree with Rep Jasmin Crocket- grow a spine Democrats. Me: If you cannot, get out of the way, there are many Americans that can and will stand up for our democracy.
Democrats who voted with Republicans to censure Al Green should be voted out. @raskin.house.gov @wassermanschultz.house.gov @repjasmine.bsky.social @khanna.house.gov @ocasio-cortez.house.gov @nancypelosiwins.bsky.social @whitehouse.senate.gov @wyden.senate.gov @smith.senate.gov @sanders.senate.gov
Trump never abides by rules of decorum. His lying speech expressly attacked the Dems. Yet they just sat there and took the abuse. How can we expect people who don't even respect themselves and don't have any sense of self-preservation to fight for us?
Yep. And those voters don’t exist because even if a Republican thinks Trump has gone too far, they will still vote for Trump or a Trump-like guy. 95% of Republican voters have voted for Trump every time.
Lol Democrats were more than willing to pass the PATRIOT Act and launch forever wars back in the "normal times" of the early 2000s. Did they vote for a degradation of civil liberties and massive war crimes out of a sense of decorum and compromise?
The party has been led by cowards since JFK got killed. They've always rolled over to the right wing. They did it then. They'll do it tomorrow. It doesn't need fighters. It needs to die and an anti-capitalist party needs to rise if we want real differences in outcomes.
That’s what I told my rep (Laura Gillen) when I called her office—I’m a moderate liberal, very regular Democrat-voting voter: I don’t want you to swing your policies left, I want you to set up a folding table on the steps of the Capitol every day, stream on Twitch, and call out each bullshit
The majority of the country knows there was no voter fraud in the 2020 election because of how horrible of a President he was. His lies are so dumb they know they are not true. Even my sister that is a moderate Republican just wants Trump to admit he lost the 2020 election. https://youtu.be/YGvuecxQPLo?si=Xalh6MQydoLCP7Xz
Until the congressional Democrats find a spine and learn how to fight back, we will be seeing more fecklessness and capitulation, especially from the leadership. At least a few (Al Green, AOC, Crockett, et al) remember how to fight back.
These people thinking to insert a spine into Dems actions are never considering whether their actions play right into the hands of the people they should be attacking. Every once in while just suck it up, lift up the person fighting and ignore the person who is not. There are (I hope) elections
Especially when they did nothing to censure mtg for shrieking like a baboon at every Biden sotu. These dems are working for maga whether they admit it or not.
The Dems who censured this man need to be voted out and no more money from the peasants. They get more than enough money from the corporate donations. Hence the censure vote.
Let's use @repmarcykaptur.bsky.social as an example. If she would have voted not to censure, there are virtually no voters who would say "I was going to vote for you but I can't because you didn't censure Al Green two years ago."
Why Dems still think shit like this matters is mind boggling.
"Oh no, they exist; just trust us. We know what we're doing. We're the ones who told Harris to muzzle Walz, cozy up to the Cheneys, and not break with Biden on Gaza and she almost won. If we gave such bad advice, then why does the DNC keep hiring us?"
“Suozzi was joined by fellow Long Island Democrat Laura Gillen, along with Ami Bera and Jim Costa of California; Ed Case of Hawaii; Jim Himes of Connecticut; Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania; Marcy Kaptur of Ohio; Jared Moskowitz of Florida; and Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington.”
The only people I've seen who agree with the 10 censuring Ds are the never Trumper Rs like Kinzinger. For every "voter" like that gained, I bet we lose 10 actual registered Democrats from disgust.
National results show Green Party candidate Dr. Jill Stein received 53% of the Muslim vote, followed by President-elect Donald Trump with 21% and Vice President Kamala Harris with 20%
This post doesn't help fight Trump, it helps MAGA. https://5calls.org/ support Democrats publicly, yell at them by calling their offices. It is more effective, anyway.
Spot on. I loved “fecklessness dressed up as bipartisanship.” Getting on the ground in the 10 reps’ districts to shore up opposition and get a better candidate elected will be crucial. Thanks for your work.
Trying to figure out the brain change the Dems have gone through. At one time they were street fighters, willing to scrap and claw. Now an old and worn out party yapping about 'decorum'
Tagging @tomsuozzi.bsky.social in here since he is one of those spineless jellyfish that betrayed Al Green and then spent the last few days sending out “my black buddy” posts in hopes you won’t notice him inserting a switchblade in Green’s back. Go to hell and resign Tommy.
This is him on Friday:
Agree !00%. Thank you for contacting your representative. This is despicable. This information to be common knowledge to all of us, so we can follow your action for democracy.
It’s such a bad calculation. The Dem base voters who they’re pissing off, far outnumber - and are much more likely to remember this in Nov ‘26 - than the handful of moderates they’re trying to court.
As Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer have demonstrated repeatedly, there is no spine in the Democratic leadership, which obviously includes several of these democrats who voted to censor Green.
I generally never call anyone outside my district but I went to high school with Laura and called on this. I KNOW she was taught better than that. I'm not at all surprised about Suozzi as my mom is also in his district. He's great about ignoring the Queens residents he represents.
10 House Democrats voted with Republicans for Green's reprimand. Those include: Ed Case of Hawaii, Tom Suozzi of New York,Jim Costa of California, Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington,Jared Moskowitz of Florida, Ami Bera of California,Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania, ... continued
Democracy traitors include; Ed Case of Hawaii, Tom Suozzi of New York,Jim Costa of California, Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington,Jared Moskowitz of Florida, Ami Bera of California,Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania,
Marcy Kaptur of Ohio,Laura Gillen of New York
It's so tone deaf. There is not a single person in their base who would say, "I don't know if I want to vote for someone who was rude to Trump." Even if they think they're attracting swing voters (they're not), they're going to lose so much more being spineless.
I really don’t understand what is Democrat leaders strategy? This is not the normal time. Republicans knows it and they not shy to suck trumpet. Resist, Fight or lost everything!
The leadership wants everyone to keep their heads down, not vote with Republicans on budget issues, and let the Republicans destroy themselves. This is "strategic" only to someone who doesn't understand that lack of moral courage is repellent.
I think it’s less of a calculated strategy and more the flailing of an out-of-touch political class that is in denial of the reality they’re living in. They’ve been insulated from the consequences of government policies and are lashing out against anything that threatens their comfortable delusions.
Yes, Democrats do need to get organized. Get a success message out. Get behind the working-class and middle-class. I think the focus should be on 4 pillars.
1. Work and income stability.
2. Universal healthcare.
3. Affordable housing.
4. Secure Social security, pension, and retirement.
You are not a Democrat. Democrats mocked Rudy Giuliani for spreading Trump's lies about voter fraud and how he thought is was going to be the famous Four Seasons Hotel
The political center in this country is a myth pundits and politicians tell each other to justify cashing checks without doing anything to materially improve the lives of the American people.
I’m a boomer moderate Democrat who’s been pushing back in every way I can. The MAIN thing is to protect our democracy. KEEP THE MAIN THING, THE MAIN THING!
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That's what they do
they just will always vote for your opponent
- The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
The Democrats don't owe you people a damn thing
Call Stein
These people successfully organized against the Democrats.
The Democrats literally don't owe American Muslims anything but scorn.
Any Dem leader who doesn't do the same must expect to be primaried and voted out.
Either join the cavalry or get out of our way.
I'm not abusive, but I do expect my reps to speak out in this moment of crisis. The other side took the gloves off long ago, it's time we get in the ring.
Enough of this shit.
Spineless Dems: Defense wins championships
It seems like there's only one set of groups out there truly committed to supporting both parties: the banking industry, oil companies, etc.
But really, if it's about being reelected, the main audience for this performative moderation is corporate donors.
One of these men was censured by the House, and the other was not. Why do you supposed that was?
Moderate democrats will end up watering down whatever progress we aim for if we ever get back into power.
They are why the people never truly feel the effects of democratic legislation and will hurt efforts to rebuild.
There haven’t been any “normal times” since 2016. We are ALL simply OPPOSITION LIBERALS now.
And we need FIGHTERS.
No they didn't!
Very rare for them to get anywhere near holding office, though. Most Dems want to play nice.
https://youtu.be/YGvuecxQPLo?si=Xalh6MQydoLCP7Xz
They gained nothing and burned goodwill for nothing.
Why Dems still think shit like this matters is mind boggling.
"Oh no, they exist; just trust us. We know what we're doing. We're the ones who told Harris to muzzle Walz, cozy up to the Cheneys, and not break with Biden on Gaza and she almost won. If we gave such bad advice, then why does the DNC keep hiring us?"
Censuring Dinos = zero
“Suozzi was joined by fellow Long Island Democrat Laura Gillen, along with Ami Bera and Jim Costa of California; Ed Case of Hawaii; Jim Himes of Connecticut; Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania; Marcy Kaptur of Ohio; Jared Moskowitz of Florida; and Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington.”
Now wants to be rewarded with political capitol from Democrats.
All over Bluesky, their not name dropping clerics, or Stein, or Talib,
They are bloviating about "Where are the Democrats!?"
Girl, bye
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-The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
The Democrats don't owe these people a damn thing
Call a cleric
Is going out of their way to alienate Blue Dog Dems
It is galling. And scary AF.
This is him on Friday:
Marcy Kaptur of Ohio,Laura Gillen of New York
Those who vote for the censure are the ones who will suffer far more and will deserve it.
1. Work and income stability.
2. Universal healthcare.
3. Affordable housing.
4. Secure Social security, pension, and retirement.