some helpful reminders:
-not all jews support israel
-criticizing israel is not the same as being antisemitic
-being pro-palestine does not equal being pro-hamas
-arresting someone for being pro-palestine is a violation of the first amendment
-violating someone’s first amendment rights is bad
-not all jews support israel
-criticizing israel is not the same as being antisemitic
-being pro-palestine does not equal being pro-hamas
-arresting someone for being pro-palestine is a violation of the first amendment
-violating someone’s first amendment rights is bad
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Also, I must know 100 Jews. I only know ONE Jew that’s ever set foot in Israel. I’ll give you one guess as to which of those 100 Jews equates criticizing Israel with antisemitism.
Anything Israel does is up for critique. Antisemitism is finding a problem with PEOPLE, not CHOICES.
The only restriction on assembly is “peaceably.”
They were.
Your contention is based on false premises.
But it is my understanding he was hamas & heezbolla supporter, and also organized violent protests.
I SUPPORT ISRAEL 100%.
Fool me once, right? Never allow Palestinians to return. They trusted em!
We're disappearing unpopular groups for thoughtcrimes.
As naive as many enjoy believing I am, I can discount the possibility. Oh well.
This is a link to an Amnesty International page describing life for Palestinians under Israel. It was written in 2022.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/
Liberal Arts degrees prepare you to be a good human who thinks clearly and critically, understands societal systems, and is skilled and diligent in recognizing and correcting for their own biases.
Both can be baddies, one indiscriminately bombing civilians and the other one using civilians as human shields can both be true.
You can be anti-genocide and anti-Hamas.
(Although I have to admit, I won't fight for his right to block my child from attending class or visiting the library)
That little sprinkle of "except" means your first statement is ENTIRELY meaningless. You do not believe in free speech, you believe in people talking when and how it is convenient for you
But ...civil disobedience implies that you are willing to be arrested. You are intentionally breaking a rule or a law to make a point and get publicity. I can believe in free speech and still want my kid to be able to live his life.
Just have out with it: you believe that disruption of decorum and other your routine is worse than violent suppression of dissent.
I'm not talking about being on campus. Your are neglecting to hear my point about Jewish students being stopped and asked about their religion... What say you about that? Is that free speech to block just Jewish students from entering the library?
Again, not disagreeing that he has a right to free speech.
March in the streets, occupy the quad, sing, chant, whatever.
That's not free speech
A right to speak only when it’s convenient for you or your kid is no right at all.
Rabid pro-Hamas and anti-semitic views are ALSO protected. As is every other kind of bigotry under the sun.
His post is disturbingly anti-American, while trying to frame others as such.
To expound here's some American stuff:
- FREEDOM of speech, of press, to assemble peacefully
- Apple pie
- Baseball
The most American of these things is FREEDOM & we need to defend it like home base.
Why lead with that first bullet?
Isn't possible to raise the issue of the treatment of a green card holder without having to check the box of your anti-Zionist bonafides?
Being pro-Israel also doesn't make one anti-Palestinian and/or pro-Betar or pro-any of the other hardcore right wing groups.
Jews who feel the need to open with statements like your first bullet, seem unwilling to accept those who believe in a middle path.
Second, what is usually presented as the "middle path" still harms one group more than the other, and I think you know which one
They think the founding and existence of it *is by definition invalid*.
Evil.
Should never have happened.
Should un-happen now.
And millions who *disagree with that*
Not a solvable dynamic imo.
People here in the US trying to figure out how to constrain and repel this administration can appreciate that horrid conundrum, at the moment.
Birds of a feather. Judge them accordingly
Israel had already killed ten times as many Palestinians. Are their lives worth ten times less, Dinos?
2. There was genocide before Oct 7, you’re just not informed on this conflict.
2a. Are you saying holding hostages justified genocide?
Think you’re just a huge racist, bud.
Exactly that "double loyalty" accusation is a foundation for all antisemitism.
Tell me when someone starts killing Israeli soldiers in the west bank so that I can support them as well.
Once Palestine is free I'll start condeming Hamas.
You are garbage. Human garbage.
He best hope he’s squeaky clean and never gave a cent to Hamas or similar.
Just saying.
That includes citizens. That’s aiding and abetting a foreign enemy. That’s not the same as helping the Red Crescent for example
Well, yeah. But as we can see from some of the more revolting comments below, it also doesn't necessarily mean you're anti-Hamas.
Maybe the only thing worse than Netanyahu for them has been Hamas.
/s
Did police arrest protesters only where that happened?
And this is kind of my point. The current government *is* Israel. Netanyahu has been in power for decades!
I'll wait (I will not)
This data from nonpartisan org Pew Research Centre may help:
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/02/how-us-jews-are-experiencing-the-israel-hamas-war/
https://youtu.be/zmCKZYKsiGM?feature=shared
Honestly what would we change?
I think neither side will feel safe enough to lay down arms if they don't have A state where they're the governing majority.
Likewise Putin, NOT Russia.
Collective responsibility implies collective punishment, a war crime.
Israeli society is fucked up enough already without exaggerating.
Tons of people call everyday Palestinians “Hamas” and blame them for what Hamas does.
As soon as Palestine is free from Israel, then it will be the time to hold Hamas accountable to the Palestinians.
If Hamas steps down, I'll support whomever takes it's place, as long as they are palestinian
It's not uncommon to get into arguments about how yes, actually, rights apply to anyone in the US whenever the thread's about immigration enforcement.
" citizen" will also get blurry
"You can't do this to me, I'm an American!"
As someone who isn't one, but who has studied and lived alongside many for my whole life, I've heard that way too many times.
- a tiny tiny minority of Jews are self-hating Jews and don't support Israel.
https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/10/09/cuad-issues-apology-to-khymani-james-cc-25/
If we’re going to confront this problem—and fight Trump’s exploitation of antisemitism—then we also need to honestly acknowledge the rhetoric and actions of student protesters.
https://www.jta.org/2025/03/07/united-states/cincinnati-rabbi-disinvited-from-rally-against-nazis-over-his-support-for-israel
re: criticizing Israel: if Israel was above criticism that would make them infallible; only God is infallible (per the Torah)
And they're doubling down on that.
- When it's just "criticizing", yes. When it goes beyond...
- If only so many "pro-Palestinians" weren't pro-Hamas
- This one's just 100% true.
-if you can condemn Oct7 in the same statement, thats even better.
-If you want to insert October 7th into everything, maybe you should also start with mentioning every Israeli crime from the Nakba on up.
https://youtu.be/8tIdCsMufIY?si=i8iDRs0VB55EX4jd
Check my bio.
-zio is a slur
-90% of jews support israel’s right to exist but will differ on policy like most people
-criticizing israel while giving every other country a pass is, in fact, antisemetic
-Islam and Christianity have colonized most of the world in violent conquests