I’m going to pull my teeth out if the left tears itself apart over whether Pete or AOC would be a better candidate while Trump dismantles every single check on his power.
Let’s have the debate while deep down adoring both of them as insanely smart, principled politicians that we are lucky to have.
Let’s have the debate while deep down adoring both of them as insanely smart, principled politicians that we are lucky to have.
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then. we. are. screwed.
He has some good ideas, but still seems rooted in the old ways that got us here first.
Ill fight for him, but need to see more to be excited.
It inherently has the same outcomes as conservatism.
Saying the industrial revolution was the same as WW2 Germany is just ... factually incorrect.
One may lead to the other, and may do so predictably, without extreme sociopolitical corrections...
But don't say there's no difference. Nihilism helps nothing, here.
Saying you want to give tax breaks to the rich, and posturing that won't help the middle class but passing those breaks anyway, are the same in outcome.
whoop whoop that's the sound of da beast
Hey, why don't we just support Trump instead of insisting on all this purity testing!
Same for Pete, except there's an entire bonus second Palestine that he also has to answer for.
"Mean enough to Biden." Nah. If she can hold rallies against Trump, she can hold them against Biden. Principles.
So, yeah, prepare yourselves for that bullshit.
Not judging; just stating facts. 🤷🏼♀️
2. Democrats still haven't learned not to fire at each other even after 2024.
It's not entirely different from the domestic violence pattern, where someone who is frustrated by power structures beyond their control takes out their rage on the people at home who they can get to. We feel like better targets
You have the responsibility backwards.
They're supposed to feel an obligation toward us, not the other way around.
The reason they're called public servants is because they are meant to be accepting complaints and critiques.
It's their main job.
Such a massive country needs significantly more viable parties.
Hank is right, but you old school “centrism is a real thing in America, trust me bro” types need to rub the crust out of your goddamn eyeballs.
Pete fucking Buttigieg is not the man for that job.
I personally think both are incredibly intelligent and capable but it’s not about that unfortunately.
If we want to win we need to pick someone that can claw back people we lost. We need someone who is principled and will fight.
There’s millions of people that like our ideas and don’t know it because they are not exposed to it. There’s millions of women who only hear what their trump husbands have to say.
I know, I know. How can that be?
I can’t explain it but I do know it’s a fact.
Look at Turnips hero's.
Putin, Orban, Kim Jong un.
We need a rigorous Democratic primary.
What Pete is saying on Fox News is not meant to persuade YOU.
I like his Fox News appearances though tbh
Your opinions and values have always been clear, but now you're using your platform to put it all front and center, and I appreciate that.
https://youtu.be/PU0kQjr5eG8?si=paeVNqcjI5H-AiK7
Liberals support Pete, progressives support AOC.
Liberals are starting to support AOC, but progressives still do not support Pete.
This is all very clear, while Trump wreaks havoc.
There is a "left overton window" and there's plenty of data showing that moving toward either end of the spectrum (left or center right) lead to declines in voter turnout. And they believe winning elections actually matters.
Moving left increases turnout.
Name a source showing a "left overtone window" that supports moving in either spectrum decreases turnout.
This is 1 of 100 examples of such mistakes made by embracing neoliberalism.
Demanding representation from your representative is not bad politics, it's basic logic.
the issues with buttigieg go way beyond "purity test".
also, class and race are entangled in the US, by design. so let's not pretend racial issues are irrelevant or already solved. My white ass wouldn't have to say this if y'all'd listen when black people talk
Is this a silly way to decide? Yes and I accept all applications for sillier ways.
can he be about it? Does a job he took out of grad school for a couple of years really make him a corporatist and ineligible for life?
Unfortunately the dems aren’t known for either 😭
I still voted for Biden and Kamala btw, so don’t try me with that nonsense.
Frankly, as a Canadian I'd be happy to see either of them leading the Dems instead of the shit leaders they have now.
FU & STFU
First female president being AOC would be magical, especially after the dictator orange tried to demolish America 🥺🥺🥺
We have so much diversity of thought packed into a single party not arguing would be bad.
So let's rip each others ideas a part and practice our thoughts.
I was just making a general point about the argument in principle.
Now, I do not think for a second that even half of those are serious people. They were never a part of the base and are working for fascists (ex. green party).
Also get waltz and Kelly in the discussion imo. Waltz/AOC ticket in any order of frontrunner would be my vote.
Or the “vote for us cause we’re lesser of” ticket.
Hell, considering what the right has demonstrated so far, vis a vis competence, intelligence, ethics, and grace, I would be delighted if the left's candidate was a particularly cool rock from the side of the road.
You need people who relate to the common person. Both do.
Pete is married has kids been in the military debates well.
AOC brings fire she debates well. She is”the people”
as well.
But you have to have them say term limits. Stop the nonsense of insider trading.
I think being pragmatic about it and changing the way who get on the ticket is the first step. I wanted instead of just putting Biden back in way to old to…. Yay for beating Trump thank you for your service. But
But we need step by step how to right this ship. Because you have to get people to see the corruption don’t deny it …
All people are welcome!Sending a man wrongly to the worst prison to scare people needs to scare everyone!
We didn’t take money from left or right.
He makes decisions what’s best for the kids the schools. I want
Same with Congress !
I want “we the people” back and someone who will vote on
If you want to serve the people.
Second AOC brings fire like Bernie but she also has a lot of things that badly “they” can attack.
I want these things
I want not allowed to trade on insider information which the people who are serving as our leaders are doing on both sides. More on the right but the left as well. A well balanced democracy has checks and balances. If you go to far one way you can’t win.
To win you need to stop
You have racists, you have sexist, you have people who rightfully say there is corruption on the blue side as well. Pelosi making millions on trades being 110…
Purity test time ended long ago. Everyone failed.
But if a competent, connected, erudite politician wants to help make that *easier*, now is not the time to say no.
Neoliberalism is what has gotten us to this moment so we don't need more of that if we can help it.
It’s why the moderates control the party for the most part. Anytime one of the progressives gets ahead, the rest start applying purity test after purity test until they have burned through their funding and any goodwill they had.
We are not supposed to love our politicians, we are supposed to elect people who would move the country roughly in the correct direction.
MAGA bigots got theirs.
AOC can reach people outside of the Democratic party. I have seen no evidence that Pete can.
We keep getting caught up on who will be the face of the party when the reality is the party is lacking real leadership and direction.
The far-reich had project 2025, and I don't know if there is even a DNC equivalent.
I *have* seen them claim Harris was bad, and Trump is exponentially worse.
Maybe if you guys listened to those leftists rather than assuming they were communists, neoliberalism wouldn’t have fucked our republic this badly.
They should pick a generic straight white male who isn’t PSYCHOTIC. That will beat anyone the GOP nominates.
I like AOC more, BUT I'm voting for Pete hands down, if he's the candidate.
We need Pete's leadership and wisdom, as POTUS.
Hopefully, we can all learn from the data and change accordingly.
Stop blaming the left.. Centrists trying to capture trumpist voters was how this went wrong. Completely shunning the left was the fuckup.
"My mother was middle class, middle class, most important, create jobs, stimulate middle class <3"
Wake up and smell the corporate dems.
Idealogy matters, but getting things done matters more. It is to be seen who that candidate will be.
No one gets a pass.
So we may see someone far more moderate. Some straight southern white dude. Like an Andy Beshear.
I'm not saying I like it, but I think it's likely.
We gotta get used to the idea of standing shoulder to shoulder with people we disagree with in this big tent.
It certainly doesn't create an obligation to "adore them for being smart" or whatever Hank is trying to say.
The 401k Democrats.
Just because someone isn’t popular in the party, does not mean they would not be popular broadly. It’s just not true
https://www.gelliottmorris.com/p/who-is-the-most-popular-us-elected
How many times do we have to watch a centrist flop, flounder, and fail to deliver to people.
I know you like being wrong and all but this is really too much.
You: you sound unhinged
Why don't you get Booty-Judge to piss off Armenian Americans as well while you're at it. I'm sure an israel apologist could do that too.
Multitasking!
If there's one thing you can learn from MAGA it's that everything goes aside in the name of strength to victory.
Either you're willing to let people considering AOC radical cover your back in exchange of you covering their Buttigieg butt or you're all done.
Squabble once you're in power.
That's the second best thing.
https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/rymy7ret6
I wouldn't consider that century brewing and sloshing conflict (when considering Balfour declaration of 1917) the linchpin of internal US policy but I understand your moral and logical argument.
Solving problems of Levant through US politics is always a risky strategy.
But I respect that you have a clearly defined goal.
Democrats tend to rip each other over details. 🤷
But i want y'all to understand, if we keep getting milquetoast libs in office then this problem will never be solved.
Also timwaltz anyone? He's got something going for him