american masculinity is so amazing. caring about clothes as a man apparently makes you "gay" but our position on geopolitics totally depends on whether you wear a suit
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The funny thing about this suit question is that Zelensky at the end of his answer insulted this “journalist” by saying “maybe I’ll wear a cheap suit like yours.”
It another reminder to Trump,that Zelenski is working hard for his country and not like Trump a lazy unthinking shithead who would rather be on a golf course leaving the running of the country to other numpties.
The last thing that I want to do if I'm in a war that's dragged on for three years, is wear a damn suit. He should've just worn his BDU into the Oval Office.
But, it's okay for "Daddy Elon? to wear what he's been wearing. By all rights, those ball caps should be removed as you enter the WH.
Exactly, because when he leaves the States I'm certain that as soon as he's on the plane his mindset changes. Not to mention, as a leader of a war-torn country I think it would be very poor optics to his people.
Thanks. ☺️
He is always thinking of his people. I hadn’t really thought of it before he started it and explained why. Then I saw Putin in a suit and it does seem out of touch.
Nailed it as usual. Plus, the melon has been seen in the oval in an undertaker’s jacket, jeans and a ball cap with gothic script. Where’s the respect there?
And what about other fat men who dye their hair and wear makeup? Should they feel ashamed and less of a man? Or is it okay because it's someone you don't like, who will never see your post?
If they're extorting those who plead for help? Yes. If they're damaging alliances for self interest? Yes. You do understand the circumstances here, right? My statement stands for itself. If you choose to bend it into something it's not, it's your own demons you you should be addressing.
That line of insults was performed for an audience of one: Putin. Zelensky has refused to wear fancy, expensive clothes while his countrymen die. Putin spends tens of thousands on a coat or a suit to communicate a different message. That insult was for Putin.
'Costume' ('костюм') in Ukrainian means 'suit', but there was a jab there, it was delivered in Zelenskyy's following line which was: "Maybe I will wear one like yours, or maybe a better one."
Thanks for the clarification. 👍 Of course I interpreted the word in the North American vernacular & thought it was a clever way of diminishing the relevance of the question when more pressing issues were in play. The questioner displayed his lack of gravitas & a preoccupation with superficiality.
Yes. It was a travesty. We are witnessing the rapid collapse of a once revered democracy orchestrated by a fascist, Putin loving clown and his moronic henchmen.
Rightly referred to as a costume as a manner of language correctness. But a brilliant pun/insult delivered by the. Snarky ex comedian in president Zelenski.
I wondered if the clothing critics noticed the decidedly unprofessional postures modeled by Rubio, Vance and the sociopathic felon, who always sits as if he were doing his business on the throne in the men's room.
What you wear doesn't make you what makes you, your character as displayed by both your words & your actions. Charles Dickens reminds us
Strip them of their suits what are they? Men, mere men. Dignity.& even holiness too sometimes, are more questions of coat and waistcoat than some people imagine.
The President of the US is a size queen and his Veep wears eyeliner so yeah, clearly not comfortable in their own skin. Usually all that self hate is why people demonize others
Zel only gave half adequate reply, surprised. As the Commander-in-Chief of his country, currently at war (mentioned), he is wearing military outfits. Neither civilian or other uniform
Like Churchill, not to say Mao, Stalin, Lenin (mentioning those would have been grain of salt).
The way he always locks his knees, bunching the cloth against his legs and showing off his scrawny hams and tiny feet. It makes him look like a child. All these far right guys lately look like when you put a suit on a twelve year old. Weird proportions and zero muscle mass.
The suit is a uniform that shows membership of a group. This is how cis-het men think. Wearing one is the opposite of caring about clothes. Your membership of the group is more important than your individual preferences. This is why hyper masculine groups dress like each other, from bikers to cops.
nah, its just a part in politics to be hypocritical. The right got all over Obama's ass because he wore a suit, but it was tan. In the meantime, Musk has a press conference in the Oval Office in a baseball cap, indoors. my grandmother would've scolded him about manners; Trump and Vance never did.
At some point I'd love to hear your take specifically on how men should cross their legs as an expression of masculinity, and how that ties into the cut of pants in general, because of the various choices and stylistic constraints that puts into outfits.
Their position on geopolitics is the same it was always going to be they just wanted an excuse so they can manufacture consent from their base. Don't let them pedal that BS. Tell 'em 'quit it with that double standard BS just cause you want an excuse to suck Putin off'.
Yep, my granda was 5 ft 3 inches. Went down the pit at 12. Fought in France throughout WW1. Back down the pit. He wouldn't have given the drug addled wimp RFK a second glance.
I was an acquaintance of the late writer/critic/general PITA Harlan Ellison. 5'5", with hands and forearms like Popeye the Sailor from pounding a manual typewriter for decades. A guy I'd want behind me in bar fight, not in front of me.
I think it's very handy to be able to up your game when the moment requires, and some people have a huge range in how good they can look. Maybe that's true of everyone.
No idea. On the surface it screams “extra a-hole” but what other cryptic meaning it likely has for Fusk & his tech-support cheerleaders is likely circulating on X & dark web chat rooms.
Likely just to be more suposedly revolutionary than regular maga,
or to say out loud that he went dark side to save his own ass. I mean, Elon spent years talking about how Tesla was helping save civilization from global warming, then he gave 250M to a drill baby drill campaign plus all the investigations he was under have just gone away.
I'm actually not convinced it's a suit jacket! it looks a bit long to me and the fabric a bit thick. possibly oversized or maybe an overcoat? either way he's definitely dressed like a D-list cartoon villain
I see nothing gangster with these idiots! Cosplaying is all. They act like preteens were everything is funny and let’s tease people. Even Trump saying that whole thing would be great tv. It’s like he’s still playing on a tv show while being Putins puppet.
Ugh, he does it so poorly. His eyes would probably look a lot better if he winged that eyeliner a bit but no, here we are...dark brown in the waterline.
When the RepublicQans and their ilk can't dazzle you with their dance, they will baffle you with their BS, and they're terrible at both dancing and BS'ing.
Your oppression is their profession
Or have the most pointy shoes without them being cowboy boots and spurs
I mean the whole crew could have been from the Movie Set of Yellowstone or made it more classy out of date like Bonanza
Starring Barbara Stanwick
Will someone please teach JD how to apply eyeliner to his waterlines so it's not quite so obvious and maybe a softer color? Trump should NOT be doing his makeup and he is seriously in need of a good skin cleanse. He looks like he has skin cancer, has anyone else noticed that?
I can't be the only one who didn't really notice what Zelenskyy was wearing at first, but when they (stupidity) drew attention to it thought he looked good. I mean he was cool and minimal and badass, kind of like Churchill in his wartime boiler suit.
True & Churchill had a very different physique. His swagger wasn't sleek like Zelenskyy's, but given the standards at the time it was a strong statement. Like, the courage to dress like a plumber on the world stage. If vance or any of the GOP tried it, their version would be sad, ridiculous cosplay.
“Zelensky survived a dozen Russian assassination attempts including a special forces assault on his presidential complex.He stood up to Trump. I’m sure is deeply impressed by American “men” in the WH & Congress
Funny bit of bookending. That picture was taken before the rose garden was planted, and now Zelensky appears after the Trumps had the rose garden razed in order to put down a concrete pad.
Literally anyone with room temperature IQ knows why Zelenskyy is wearing his style of uniform.
King Charles has repeatedly said he is pro Ukraine, I don’t think trump should continue to be given a state visit.
Can you imagine if they scheduled 3 days in central London ?
The abuse he woiuld receive would be legendary.
But it's all a game.
Krasnov is so so desperate to come to see the King.
And that will be kicked down the road until he behaves a little better.
Trump is an idiot and a narcissist, his whole ego is entirely dependent on being flattered. But it’s too serious to call theatre, it’s democracy and people’s lives on the line.
I'm torn between wanting King Charles to have the invitation publicly rescinded or leave the invitation in place and keep Trump waiting and waiting and waiting in the hallway to be admitted.
I suppose he will have to be flown in by helicopter to Windsor Castle.
We do not want the roads to be lined with people. Previously there was talk of eggs ...
Invite him here & plan an itinerary for him which includes driving through a HUGE crowd (we know he likes those) waving Ukrainian flags. Ensure lots of photos are around to make it feel welcoming: KCIII meeting Zelenskyy, QEII in that charming blue and yellow hat. Then give VZ a bigger banquet...
It's the equivalent of attacking some nonissue in Republican world to avoid debating. It's silly. Republicans only know how to do ad hominem attacks. They don't know how to engage in a real convo, meditation, or whatever else is similar. Trumps "Art of the Deal" is just become King and get your way
Vance is Thiel's man.
Thiel wants to save the human race.
Thiel, I think, believes that after the chaos (economy?) he and other CEOs will divide the world into regions and the human race will thus survive
It was also pointed out that trump was honoring Churchill with his statue in the background.. Churchill too wore his war overalls .. support for their troops.. side note that was MTG ‘s boyfriend reporter.. ambush all the way around.. how cowards conduct business. By ganging up on one
The reporter's question about the suit was a setup intended to humiliate Z. Did you notice that all the reporters were white males who were dressed exactly like Trump? Trump insists on controlling which reporters are permitted to cover him. The right messaging is crucial to his success.
At this point, I'm like "what extortion material could they *possibly* have on you to make this worth it?" Has anyone checked to see if all their family members are being held hostage? Because wtf otherwise?
They’ve gone so far down the rabbit hole they’ve suggested things like caring for your children or loving your wife is “gay”. It’s the most bizarre shit.
I don't know you, but I very much enjoy reading your posts - except this one, unless you're referencing president Musketeer in the Oval Office and Cabinet Room. If you are, is there a reason for waiting until 3/1/25 to share your opinion?
It’s honestly one of the first observations I made that eventually lead to me rejecting traditional masculinity in favor of being Non-Binary: Genderfluid
I think it really only matters if there are other more pressing reasons for disliking someone that are not as socially acceptable to voice. Just like it wasn't about the tan suit, it isn't about not wearing one. It's about not showing fealty.
Zelenskyy is fighting for the safety of Ukraine and Europe and I stand in awe of Ukraine and its people over the last three years. Zelenskyy could turn up in a mankini and I wouldn’t care.
I assumed you were talking about Musk in the oval office in a t-shirt and poorly fitting bespoke baseball cap, worn to make him appear taller than he is.
But no...
The sad/funny thing: trump pays an expensive tailor to make his awful suits. He overrides the tailor’s standards to make the suits too baggy and too long, because he thinks it’s “slimming”. Read this somewhere credible back in the first term. I see JDV is copying the too long tie 🙄
Vyshyvanka is a national costume for men in Ukraine. Didrik would maybe wear a camo bunad. Here’s a pic of Trump receiving a guy in the Oval Office in Arab vyshyvanka.
Not unusual for the leader of a country at war to dress in solidarity with his/her frontline troops. You could argue that it’s disrespectful to fail to understand that.
The irony is that Zelensky is basically the Ukrainian Trump: A TV personality who became president. But while Zelensky grew into the role and became a statesman, Trump is incapable of growth.
Respectfully, not fair to define “American masculinity” solely based on the specious, self-serving verbal attacks on a great man by two bullies in ill-fitting suits.
Everything about Zelenzkyy reminds Bonespurs that he's a coward. That massive hit to his massively overblown sense of self worth must cut so deep into his pinhead brain. Vance is less than the sum total of zero squared, about as substantial as a fart in a hurricane.
I saw a comment on this, that leaders of countries at war tend to wear military-style clothes, although Zelensky can't wear a proper officer jacket because that would be stolen valour
T&JD don't think of the war as a real thing, so they can't even conceive why someone wouldn't wear a suit for them
I wasn't saying Churchill was a saint; I am well aware of his sins, as I am of the US empire's (or any empire's, really).
I was just saying that that in the fight against the Nazis he was on the right side, and alluding to DJT, JD, Elmo and their supporter's reich-loving revisionism.
I know. I am reading "The Splendid and the Vile" by Erik Larson about Churchill during the Blitz. Terrific book. Churchill was the right man at that moment
This wasn't some accidental comment that is indicative of American masculinity. This was a deliberate and rehearsed insult to Zelensky. Republicans make the same comments about him every time. Putin's agents
I understand the need for schadenfreude but that son was Donald Jr and he was getting ready to go watch a ball game with his friends. After Trump slapped him, he stopped hanging out with normal people. How normal Don Jr could have been if Trump hadn't humiliated him in front of his friends?
American masculinity is fragile. It is scared and weak. It only feels confident if it can attempt to push someone down, attempt to embarrass or humiliate someone. American masculinity is false bravado. It fails upward and whines. It is soft and easily recognized as a lie.
Penis envy cripples American men. It's cultural insanity and crippled values. Want to understand? Janet Jackson's nipple says it all. The human body is a miracle not dirty. We get it about animals but are wrecked about ourselves.
As many have noted, Musk is inside the Oval Office a LOT and dresses like a 14 year old edgy teen, and behaves like Caligula. So, so much for respecting a president (and a building!) Also, that so-called "reporter" is Marjorie Taylor Greene's boyfriend. He was a plant for ambushing Zelensky.
that's the normal word for a suit in Russian and Ukrainian, but I'm pretty sure it can mean costume...like for a clown as well. So he was likely being sarcastic, because he is a master comedian. The effect in English of course was PURE snark, so good for him! :)
Suit is the a English word for Russia’s “Costume .“ He was not being dickish or desrespectful. That said, He IS a funny guy. He got a jab in when he rebutted w having more important things to tend to l8r on. We've seen enough.
Chances are it might have been a lil bit of both, a little play on words to both take a jab at the idea of wearing a suit while also being a direct translation. That said, I can’t imagine many situations that he would have practiced that word
oh he was being VERY sarcastic when he mentioned maybe after the war he'd get a "better suit" (than the $25 Walmart suit that Glenn wore) and even MORE sarcastic by saying his own suit would likely be "cheaper"...in other words...he recognized a cheap suit when he saw one :)
Yeah they don't care about suits. They care about power. Remember when they freaked out over Obama without a jacket or some bullshit? Hell, they want to impeach judges for overstepping their bounds. These people are the poster children for "Bad Faith Actors".
I will never forgot. Unless we're thinking of different things, he did wear a jacket, and even matching pants. It was in fact what one would call a suit. But he made the apparently grievous error of picking the wrong color: tan.
you have to wonder why all the January 6 orcs didn't wear suits as they assaulted the Capitol and beat the police. I mean, why weren't they more respectful?
I swear, the whole damn thing is just one giant show of trolling. There was always that keyboard warrior who loved to "own the libs" and didn't give a hoot about the truth or anyone else and somehow we elected them to office and they are bringing their pals.
Flip the House Blue so House committees can hold impeachment hearings.
Two upcoming special elections in FL-1 & FL-6 on April 1 can create deadlock with 50-50 party split in House. Third special election in NY-21 can Flip the House Blue!
Foreign leaders don't make a difference in terms of GOP winning elections.
His base is pleased with his performance in the Oval Office and he'll pick up new supporters of young male gamers who like the tough guy image of people like him and Andrew Tate.
Then you need to be especially careful because the rhetoric is directed at you. They will try to make you have different morals, their morals, and they will trick you into it.
Have you read 1984, brave new world, or animal farm? Those books can educate you.
What if part of this is precisely because Trump cannot wear a military uniform? If he could have worn something with epaulettes and ribbons, I bet he would have.
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MAGA did this...
But, it's okay for "Daddy Elon? to wear what he's been wearing. By all rights, those ball caps should be removed as you enter the WH.
(love the profile pic)
He is always thinking of his people. I hadn’t really thought of it before he started it and explained why. Then I saw Putin in a suit and it does seem out of touch.
He’s a “Real man” not a punk bitch like they see every morning in the mirror.
I wish I could afford to dress nicely and be called gay
“Ole couch fuker”
Trump/JD always wear suits bc they are from the lame corporate, kook-aid drinking era, where a suit magically makes one smart/qualified.
Meanwhile, Elon is in a ball cap, old teeshirts, and large belt buckles, but Zelenskyy is unprofessional? 🙄
The other reporters need to ask that same question of maga visitors who don’t wear a suit to visit Trump, starting with asking musk.
They will even resort to violence if you step outside of their narrow expectations.
Just because they have awful and boring taste doesn't mean they don't care about clothes.
In their defense though they are some stupid mo-fo-s
Also Elon: ‘I’m the alphaest alphamale evah!’
Strip them of their suits what are they? Men, mere men. Dignity.& even holiness too sometimes, are more questions of coat and waistcoat than some people imagine.
Like Churchill, not to say Mao, Stalin, Lenin (mentioning those would have been grain of salt).
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It was bad enough that he couldn’t afford a decent hair cut.
I have my thoughts, but they are...limited.
loyal ally slammed
the world recoils in horror
dump the dictator!
—Sage
2) all Zelensky would need to do is throw out some roadkill to distract this buzzard
3) is that how he laughs? Of course that’s how he laughs
That's not how he laughs, that's the abbreviation of his slogan.
I defy a pampered blue blood dilletante to bench either just because he has the spare time to spend at the gym.
I think it's very handy to be able to up your game when the moment requires, and some people have a huge range in how good they can look. Maybe that's true of everyone.
Likely just to be more suposedly revolutionary than regular maga,
https://bsky.app/profile/dunemythang.bsky.social/post/3li6x54tnw22b
Yep, secret baby number 14 with a woman who already had 3 kids by him.
Thank you
We’re going to learn one day that all of Vance’s clothes are made from sofa fabrics 🤮
No one would show a glimpse of ones legs between socks and trousers?
Doesn't he have a tailor? Dresser?
Your oppression is their profession
I mean the whole crew could have been from the Movie Set of Yellowstone or made it more classy out of date like Bonanza
Starring Barbara Stanwick
Which is it, are you an @sshole or a dainty daffodil?
So confusing,
😭😂😭😂😭😂
It’s a dumpster fire out there, the time it takes to vet is super annoying.
The hypocrisy is astounding.
However, Trump's a narcissist and an uninformed person. There is no chance we would know or even care about it.
https://blog.sciencemuseum.org.uk/winston-churchill-style-icon-and-inventor-of-the-onesie/
Here is King Charles happy to meet Zelenskyy- when he's dressed almost identically to the Trump meeting yesterday.
King Charles has repeatedly said he is pro Ukraine, I don’t think trump should continue to be given a state visit.
The abuse he woiuld receive would be legendary.
But it's all a game.
Krasnov is so so desperate to come to see the King.
And that will be kicked down the road until he behaves a little better.
Actually let them spend 3 days in central London. The Simpsons may predict the future but they never said exactly how the UK saved their arse in WW3…
We do not want the roads to be lined with people. Previously there was talk of eggs ...
Or leave his invitation in one of those puzzle boxes and livestream his attempts to open it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRFTi-driRc&t=4s
https://youtu.be/0E13cUC7q9I?si=1E22SZ3Ne7nz2diq
Trump's calling himself a king without doing anything to earn it or understand what responsibilities come with the title.
He took one look at my colleague wearing hoodie and said “you look like you came back from a jog” and left the room
Thiel wants to save the human race.
Thiel, I think, believes that after the chaos (economy?) he and other CEOs will divide the world into regions and the human race will thus survive
🇺🇦🤝🇧🇪 Ukraine, count on us !
It’s honestly one of the first observations I made that eventually lead to me rejecting traditional masculinity in favor of being Non-Binary: Genderfluid
https://youtu.be/WYaluOHcATU?si=sq_cX8gU9lt-m3LD
But no...
T&JD don't think of the war as a real thing, so they can't even conceive why someone wouldn't wear a suit for them
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/29/winston-churchill-policies-contributed-to-1943-bengal-famine-study
I was just saying that that in the fight against the Nazis he was on the right side, and alluding to DJT, JD, Elmo and their supporter's reich-loving revisionism.
I understand his secretary often took dictation from him while he was in the bath…
ALL WHILE THE OTHER DUDE’s FACE IS PAINTED ORANGE!
Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦✊🏼
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
I swear, the whole damn thing is just one giant show of trolling. There was always that keyboard warrior who loved to "own the libs" and didn't give a hoot about the truth or anyone else and somehow we elected them to office and they are bringing their pals.
Two upcoming special elections in FL-1 & FL-6 on April 1 can create deadlock with 50-50 party split in House. Third special election in NY-21 can Flip the House Blue!
#ImpeachTrump
#FlipCongressBlue
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They tried to shame him. It didn’t work. He remained dignified unlike the schoolyard bullies in the room.
Yes, he's an uneducated imbecile, but he's a PR savant which is how he got to where he is.
His base is pleased with his performance in the Oval Office and he'll pick up new supporters of young male gamers who like the tough guy image of people like him and Andrew Tate.
Have you read 1984, brave new world, or animal farm? Those books can educate you.
I'm calling it the Ovaltine Office until this administration is outta there.
Zelensky remained dignified and that made them angry. They failed - not Zelensky. He has even more support after that s*itshow.