The Department of Health and Human Services says it will require new vaccines to be tested against a placebo, which could complicate and delay Food and Drug Administration approval of many vaccines.
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Seems like it’s going to slow things down, but it’s all about making sure the vaccines are as effective as possible, right? After how some COVID vaccines didn’t exactly shine, maybe a more thorough process is for the best in the long run.
Let me fix this fast.. the person who gets the vaccine, will have created antibodies.. the placebo person won´t... Now stop fucking around and give people their vaccines!!
Isn't 'double-blind testing' standard anyway? Oh yeah! Normal science is a lost skill in the US and folks are making a fuss without understanding how you get to know anything and its degree of certainty.
As much as I do not care for the policies of this new administration's DHHS... surely we already test new medicines and treatments against placebos, right? Right? If we haven't been doing this, it's about time we start.
Wow, so he's adding in a step to make sure the vaccine is actually needed, and not just forced on the market by big pharma without any 'due process' you could say.
Good for him.
This step is done to make sure a new vaccine isn't just a way to make money.
ethics is a huge concern in the context of RFK demanding it tho…apparently, doing placebo studies with vaccines is considered pretty highly unethical given that ppl need the coverage …and the lack could kill them…among many other reasons.
i see what ppl are saying that this is shit on his part.
People need to not just post on social media. Call the white house, the FDA and your senators and reps. Yes, this is going to take work. The disabled, older people, cancer patients and other immune compromised people are going to get wiped out by design, less Medicare and Medicaid to pay out.
Ugh. Of course they'd find something that SOUNDS totally reasonable but is actually a ten story pile of horse feathers to stand in the way of medical progress. Broken clocks, twice a day, fuck my life.
Look, you wrote a real story that didn't only quote fascists. It can be done! Now if you could write headline as clear as your story, the other 99 people out of a hundred who scrolled past might know why that was a problem.
"Placebo." For vaccines.
This is lunacy - why are these people even being taken seriously?
The sheer gullability required for this to be a thing is staggering.
Wow, so NPR is amplifying this headline without mentioning that it is phenomenally unethical to do a placebo study on vaccines because it would mean infecting non protected people.
Disaster. No person should receive a placebo without consent and people won't get the shot if they think it's a placebo. Would you? Lawsuits will ensue.
Making vaccines more expensive, less available and more feared. Kennedy's stand on vaccines is well known. He's going to do everything he can to try and prove he's right.
i have this feeling that theyre Instituting this change bc 'placebo' is the only vaguely scientific term RFK Jr knows, & he thinks it will placate all of us "Science Cultists'
“The placebo effect can also be a source of confusion and ethical dilemmas, as it can be difficult to determine whether a treatment is actually effective or if the improvement is solely due to the placebo. “ Google AI
American taxpayer $$ helped create two effective COVID vaccines, #Novavax and #Moderna, and now the American government is destroying them (especially Novavax). Make it make sense.
Because Pfizer BioNTech's Comirnaty one was a more effective vaccine with fewer side-effects.
It was originally tested against a placebo during initial development. Improvements and reformulations will have been tested against an existing version instead.
The Pfizer, Moderna, and Novavax vaccines all underwent placebo-controlled trials initially. I believe Moderna has demonstrated a slight edge in efficacy but higher reactogenicity. Who knows what the FDA will demand for updated versions -- they are still harping on about placebo-controlled trials.
Uh, the Covid vaccines were tested against placebo. Participants were not aware of whether they were give the vaccine or a saline shot. So, no problem?
Why isn’t everyone freaking out ?
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It’s unethical to do that. One would need to expose patients to diseases that have some pretty unpleasant complications. But hey, let’s kill some folks to prove vaccine harm.
It was. My kids were part of the Pfizer trial. They got their first shot in January, and I think it was around April that we were told they had both gotten the placebo and were then offered the actual vaccine.
So the people getting the placebo run the risk of possibly getting seriously ill just to try to confirm Kennedy's well-known anti-vax bias?!? That's a bet I wouldn't take.
A placebo? Wait, are we supposed to be conducting human trials with diseases that KILL people? Cause if so, HHS can go insert its cranium in its rectal cavity... especially if they happen to have brain worms. Nothing about this kakistocracy is acceptable.
Deviating from Equipoise formatted testing should not even be debatable. This junkie led group with end up being the death of countless Americans and citizens of the world.
Ok, I've had a kidney transplant in 1991. Still working 34 years later. No immune system due to the immunosuppressants taken to stop kidney from being attacked. Just had my 8th or 9th vaccine and no adverse reactions. Tell me how this vaccine kills everyone again?
I understood that placebo or double blind testing on new medicines and vaccines was standard anyway. Maybe he wants them to test praying alongside vaccines too.
I am one of the unfortunate ones that, during a double blind drug test, became addicted to placeboes. My life is now a living hell. I can't find good placeboes anywhere. I went to the drug store and cried "HELP, throw me a lifesaver". They gave me butterscotch.
Tomorrow will be like yesterday.
“Complicate and delay”…. And is entirely unethical! When a vaccine can save someone from a vaccine-preventable disease, leaving them in the unprotected placebo group is highly problematic!
But that is how the preapproval safety research is done. It's important. He is just lying to ppl that we didn't already have safety data including control groups. And he doesn't understand the different types of controls.
An interesting approach. 🙄 So we vaccinate five people against polio and five we don't. Then we're good if only the unvaccinated five end up in an iron lung.
This is what I was wondering. The placebo group would intentionally be exposed to a disease without knowing if they are protected and see how many get the disease???? That can’t be what this means, right?
Yup. The term is clinical equipoise and it's exactly why vaccine studies aren't done that way. Any of the diseases vaccines prevent are massively more dangerous than a vaccine. It's pretty simple math.
Yeah, but it is one thing when it is a treatment for a disease like diabetes or hypothyroidism, where everyone in the study already has the condition. But a vaccine...that would mean exposing people who received the placebo to viruses like polio. Totally different story.
They test the vaccines on mice or chimps, or dogs first, then they take what they've learned from those and then they test them on humans. That's how it works
We demand a placebo-controlled study of the worm-addled mass he claims to be his brain. Use rotted bear cub meat as the placebo control, and let's see if there's any discernible difference in reasoning.
A fine time to do some science. Choose a metric. Get Kennedy to agree. Establish a baseline: deaths, hospitalizations, etc, then as the new policy unspools, measure whether it is better or worse. Time goes by. Do that enough and you will demonstrate which approach works best. Choose that one.
We are such an amazing "civilized" country that we go bankrupt if we need healthcare and docs will just label us with "anxiety" instead of trying to help us with strange symptoms💔.
Because an unvaccinated people can still spread their diseases to other countries, regardless of if the border is closed or not. You think North Korea was spared from COVID? It's in everyone's best interest to fight diseases.
OK. Do Canada and Mexico have faster vaccine development than the United States? During the COVID-19 pandemic, they were way behind Operation Warp Speed.
This is not only highly unethical, it's going to make doing studies for new vaccines for diseases with already approved vaccines impossible. No antivaxxer is going to sign up for fear they'll get the vaccine. No responsible person will sign up when there's a chance of placebo.
Just think if the Democratic Party ran RFK Jr instead of Harris. We still would have lost, but at least we wouldn’t have this crackpot involved in healthcare.
Ridiculous. My child was in the COVID vaccine trial, and it was absolutely tested against a placebo. It was double-blind and we had, if I remember, a 75% chance of getting the vaccine / 25% placebo. It wasn’t unblinded until the day the FDA approved the vaccines.
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He is beyond not qualified
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_equipoise
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But I’m *ANTI*-RFK Jr. & team = this is gonna be a screwed up fall/winter! 😣
Oh, no, wait, he won’t. Because a worm ate his brain.
Good for him.
This step is done to make sure a new vaccine isn't just a way to make money.
Big Pharma's got you guys by the balls.
Somebody force his removal before innocents die.
dangling pardons and special treatment.
this changes nothing, really.
https://www.bidmc.org/about-bidmc/news/2022/01/placebo-effect-contributes-to-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-events a rudimentary search on placebo and the covid vaccinr
i see what ppl are saying that this is shit on his part.
OR how about a study with placebo and exposure to fatal infectious disease.
Sounds stupid right.
This is lunacy - why are these people even being taken seriously?
The sheer gullability required for this to be a thing is staggering.
Are you just Trump’s mouthpiece now?
The Oxford Astra-Zeneca Covid vaccine killed people because Boris Johnson wanted to get a British one out first, and did away with sufficient testing.
If what you say is true, those people were not given placebos, which is what RFK Jr wants done.
Republicans are Trump accomplices. They are all in this together. Remember.
>>> This would all STOP if they objected. <<<
They have now become the enemy. Treat them accordingly!
Meanwhile, let’s cut all funding for such science.
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It was originally tested against a placebo during initial development. Improvements and reformulations will have been tested against an existing version instead.
Decreased access to vaccines = more severe cases of flu, COVID, etc. overloading ERs = more Medicare/Medicaid spending on these patients
I thought they wanted to cut costs??
So stupid.
Why isn’t everyone freaking out ?
This week…
1. Repubs signed where Trump admin is immune from crimes or investigation.
2. Martial Law in 90 days
3. You can deport US Citizens.
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I do expect that the whole medicine industry moves away from USA to Canada and Europe.
New vaccines for diseases that already have vaccines in use are tested against them for effectiveness.
Tomorrow will be like yesterday.
In general, they don’t give a rip about polio.
It’s give shot to 5, placebo to 5.
Do the vaccine 5 get *any* neurological issues. Is it more than placebo?
They'll take two healthy people and poke their eyes out.
What a trailblazing visionary.
That’s some dodgy ethics, man
Which they are not
WILL.
That being said as a USA citizen. Fuck the USA.
Was that one lab the only one Canada was capable producing in the entire life cycle of the country?