It’s almost funny how little capitalists understand about their own system
“Capitalism’s most important, integral thing isn’t profit maximizing at ALL costs!”
Like what the fuck are you talking about
I still think that exploitation of workers, at least to the point of a loss of mutual benefit, is a symptom of late stage capitalism, and not early stages.
A means to prevent the late stages, or a means to empower the underclass, would fix this problem.
Plus the greed of the bougie boiz generates lots of valuable infrastructure by default with zero gov leadership, so I'd prefer to leverage that instead of moving to a system that neglects the issue of generating means of productions.
If we're destined to be workers, then we just need a boss who is nice, likes to be generous, and cares about us like we're family. Then capitalism is hunky dory.
People still like this comment sometimes so I want to append that while I do enjoy the quippiness, it is also worth saying that chattel slavery, colonialism and mass habitat destruction are also symptoms of early stage capitalism.
And if capitalism's problems are only present in the late stages, then it's better to prevent the late stages, rather than to move to communism; a system with far more and far greater flaws than early stage capitalism.
A UBI prevents late stage capitalism while introducing zero problems 👍
No it doesn't because you still get profit accumulation and through profit accumulation you get a wealthy class that gets rid of the UBI to make workers easier to exploit.
The march toward late stage capitalism is inevitable.
the consolidation of wealth is far from the only flaw, that's simply the end result of all the necessary exploitation
you're imaging a binary of early & late stages of capitalism, where the violence caused by commodifying healthcare, housing etc & answering these problems with prisons is baked in
If it’s so easy to solve then why the fuck are we in the shit storm we’re in now? Maybe it should be easy, it should honestly only be logical for all the oligarchs to want to keep the populations happy at least, but look around, they are going with mass incarceration instead.
And we're seeing a ditto of that rn. Life sucks due to late stage capitalism, so everyone wants to abandon ship and move to a worse system, all because the new system solves capitalism's only problem.
But just like before, you're neglecting communism's flaws, and denying viable options like UBI.
and in turn, ubi would likely cripple other social safety nets and result in more "low class people deserve their fate because they can't manage their own finances" rhetoric as people continue to struggle to survive. it would be more logical to just not have an exploitative economic structure
to get people working in factories , capitalists had to enclose the common land people farmed from, they also had to take away women’s ability to work careers like healer/herbalist.
I used Amazon as an example of a beneficial service. Shipping logistics are hard to spawn out of the void, and certain systems like Walmart provide food, shipping of food, and availability of food.
Communists neglect this value, and it proves fatal every time.
how come so many of these guys are like "capitalism is so great and has made the world like unto a paradise. also if you're unhappy you just have to become entirely self-sufficient and stop interacting with capitalism at all"
We have warehouse workers pissing in bottles while their boss pays legal fines like it's a utility bill. Before this, we had children dying in factories and we're on that path again.
They convinced people that they took the children out of the factories out of benevolence, and now that they've ground down the resistance that actually kept the kids out back in they go. This is why you hang on to your history, folks
Be your own boss, thus becoming both the owner and the worker, making the distinction between the classes disappear? So, his solution to good capitalism is to re-invent socialism using different words.
DEI puts immutable characteristics above merit eliminating anyone else from consideration. Its not just white guys being passed over, but it passes over a black person for a gay person, or a lesbian for an asian person, maybe even a black woman for a white man. Its really quite gross.
..it is fundamentally good that we don't pigeonhole people due to preconceptions fundamentally based on race/class/etc.
an example - IQ tests. The standard IQ test is fundamentally flawed because the Qs are based on a narrow range of experiences that ends up favoring white people.
It's a conscious trade-off between procedural fairness in individual instances (itself rarely achieved) and equality of opportunity given chronic, demographic inequality.
If you accept that nobody should come into the world at a stark disadvantage, that's an attractive genre of trade.
Conversely if you think that inherited dis/advantage- created by happenstance and massive amounts of past unfairness- should just be left alone to compound and afflict every subsequent generation, you're a berk.
There's no version of you that isn't racist. I scoured the entire multiverse. Infinite realities. And the one constant among them all was you're a racist piece of shit.
Hey question, what president has 34 Felony things and then say... pardoned a bunch of J6 protesters who then went on to commit more crimes? Who lead Andrew Tate, a dude accused of sex trafficking and being investigating by his Government's police into America? I can do whatabouttism too.
When he's done, I'm going to prove to you the Bible is the True Word of God and I'll do it by pointing directly at the Bible. It will be checkmate, and you will feel devastated.
I have seen people talk about befriending the "scary loner" but usually they argue that they do it to ~save them from their fate~ or whatever, not a pure utilitarian "might as well safe myself" logic. i havent made the connection to the rokos basilisk bullshit which is obviously even more insane
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This guy is about to WRECK you in the marketplace of ideas.
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“Capitalism’s most important, integral thing isn’t profit maximizing at ALL costs!”
Like what the fuck are you talking about
i mean he has no one to talk to. he'll get humiliated daily if it generates some kind of response instead of the loneliness of an empty card shop.
A means to prevent the late stages, or a means to empower the underclass, would fix this problem.
A UBI does both by default :)
#UBI
UBI doesn't solve the bourgeoisie's crisis of profit
Plus the greed of the bougie boiz generates lots of valuable infrastructure by default with zero gov leadership, so I'd prefer to leverage that instead of moving to a system that neglects the issue of generating means of productions.
the upperclass doesn't want that in totality because they want to retain power
"the greed of the bougie boiz generates lots of valuable infrastructure by default with zero gov leadership"
hey, so whose dictatorship are we in right now, who controls the means of production
A UBI prevents late stage capitalism while introducing zero problems 👍
Why do you, as a human, want to live in that system
Capitalism generates wealth by default, but it naturally pools at the top.
Communism solves the pooling problem but introduces too many society ending problems to be viable.
Preferring communism to UBI is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
The march toward late stage capitalism is inevitable.
The flaw is that wealth pools at the top, which is a far easier problem to solve then the problems communism introduce.
Not to mention the necessities that communism neglect, like the development of means of productions.
you're imaging a binary of early & late stages of capitalism, where the violence caused by commodifying healthcare, housing etc & answering these problems with prisons is baked in
But just like before, you're neglecting communism's flaws, and denying viable options like UBI.
The lower class needs power, and money is power.
A more equitable system, not a fully equitable system, has my vote 👍
But they did. People only started working for bosses when their other survival options were forcibly removed.
How could the business stay IN business to scalp the market? It couldn't if people didn't like it.
It's exactly how Walmart and Amazon have terrible working conditions rn. We liked their services too much and got complacent.
I’m talking about the removal of the commons in Europe, and also the way they started burning witches who were actually rebellion leaders
try reading some history, I recommend
I used Amazon as an example of a beneficial service. Shipping logistics are hard to spawn out of the void, and certain systems like Walmart provide food, shipping of food, and availability of food.
Communists neglect this value, and it proves fatal every time.
The logic behind your ideas is more important than the history used to affirm them.
Hey, I think I found your problem!
If you would merely begin avoiding being addicted to the dopamine of certainty producing thought patterns, you may achieve eternal peace.
Consider the possibilities!
Perchance.🧠
What the FUCK does "dopamine of certainty producing thought patterns." even mean in this context?
Happy about being right?!
but then i remember how fucking annoying he is & feel at peace
- DEI as put into practice by corporations is largely bullshit, because they don't like it and want it to fail
- the goal and underlying idea of DEI is good. teams benefit from a diversity of life experiences and..
an example - IQ tests. The standard IQ test is fundamentally flawed because the Qs are based on a narrow range of experiences that ends up favoring white people.
If you accept that nobody should come into the world at a stark disadvantage, that's an attractive genre of trade.
This is going to take a little bit