And Melania, Barron, and the rest of the Felon45 criminal offspring. But it only affects brown people, dontcha know? Then we'll have all of those "black jobs"!
Last I heard there have already been half a dozen lawsuits filed, most within minutes of him signing the EOs. They're not worth the paper they're written on. Most of the judges in the system were nominated by Dems or comparatively sane GOPers. Cases may not get to SC before they're irrelevant.
It's very plainly unconstitutional no matter what anyone says. And if SCOTUS says it's not, then they're violating the Constitution too. Some federal cops may be eager to follow Trump's illegal orders anyway, but we don't have to pretend like it's in any way a legitimate use of government power.
I don't think you're being pessimistic. I think this is our new reality. We no longer know how SCOTUS is going to go anymore. Trump and his team have done some amazingly shady sh*t and has gotten away with A LOT of them. From Judge Cannon to his immunity, things are much weirder than before.
Yep. My username came about at a time when things were starting to look up. Now we're in an abyss.
Maybe I should change it to "Will we ever fucking get there" but that's kind of long to type. Especially when autocorrect will change it to "ducking" every time.😅
Sometimes the road to THERE takes us to some pretty fucked up places. We are here so we’ve survived. Let’s encourage each other and disengage as often as possible. ✌🏽 🙏🏽💙🩵
Trump's planning to clarify "under the jurisdiction thereof" in 14. It may not be plainly unconstitutional to say undocumented parents may not be under the jurisdiction thereof.
To do so would require the court to *reaffirm the Dred Scott decision* (by overturning Wong Kim Ark). I'm not saying it's impossible that they would do it, but HOOBOY would that require taking one hell of a black eye to facilitate stupid racism.
I would put nothing past them at this point. They can express concern about being mistrusted, but they know they're untouchable, so would they really care about that black eye?
And everything I learn about Roberts makes me think facilitating stupid racism is his raison d'etre as a justice. 🤬
Sadly, he owns SCOTUS, the means by which constitutionality is decided, so I'm afraid that no longer has weight. This is a lot worse than people imagined. The checks and balances on his power are GONE.
Once again, oligarch—owned propaganda outlet attempts to legitimize Trump’s criminality. Big surprise. The resistance cannot succeed without acknowledging that an independent press no longer exists.
So my grandfather was born in the US to parents who immigrated from Germany at the turn of the 20th century. Could I be deported to Germany because he would be considered illegal now?
let's face it the Constitution is only as good as those who respect, understand, obey and enforce it. Such a sad day for America. You fight so hard for us and I appreciate you.
I don't think we could get an impeachment through now, but I really hope Dems are keeping notes for after '26 when they've hopefully taken Congress back. And we need to fight like hell to get it back for them.
The Constitution could or should stand in the way but will it. The Constitution doesn’t seem to matter to the majority of the current justices sitting on SCOTUS or to the Republican Party & its voters/supporters
The constitution can only stand in the way if the people in power defend the constitution. Guess what the people currently in power couldn't give a flying fuck about.
Doesn't matter how unconstitutional it is. It will go up to the compromised courts and they will get their way. Or kick off a Constitutional Convention, which they are planning on anyway.
Most of the judges in the system were nominated by Dems, as I recall. At the very least it'll be delayed, maybe long enough that he's out of office and his successor can drop the case. If SCOTUS does get it they might add carve outs that could be challenged under other statutes in future lawsuits.
The GOP have notoriously shopped for favorable judges, and the highest court in the land is compromised. I do think Dem nominated judges will at least be able to slow things down, as you say. Hopefully.
I have said since the night of 1/6/21 that he should have been dragged out of the WH in cuffs. In a serious country with actual rule of law, he would have been.
never forget the word "illegitimate" when talking about the illegitimate supreme court. we need to remind people their opinions carry no more weight in theory than yours or mine. in practice they'll probably have gestapo to back them up, but that doesn't make it right
I 100% agree it’s unconstitutional, but the maga supreme court won’t see it that way and will, through a partisan decision, declare the 14th Amendment void. We’re screwed.
They're going to go after the second amendment because these militias hate the government telling them what to do and this administration wants to control what we hear or see. They'll get paranoid that militias will come for them and will end the second amendment along with the first amendment.
It's illegitimate. What about all the people who were turned away from the polls due to voter suppression or even bomb threats? They should have been able to put together a class action suit with enough participants to flip the result by now. It might at least distract the Felon from his worst ideas
Literally ANYONE born in the states would fall under this- including him and his kids. My father was 1st generation American (father from UK)- the absolute lunacy is mind boggling
Well, obviously citizenship is granted by a country. If the parents are citizens, the child is then a citizen. Sorry, but I'm missing your point. Nowhere else in the world can you travel to and give birth to a child and gain citizenship for that child from the govt. you are visiting.
Yes, of course, most countries have a pathway to citizenship. That is not the same as citizenship being granted because a child was born in the country to foreign parents. I would be very surprised if this was granted by any country in the EU, or surrounding countries.
The "good" news is that it only applies to those born 30 days or more after the order.
The bad news is that if the courts decide this interpretation of the 14th is correct, a whole bunch of new potentially denaturalizable people would be created. And that's a coin flip with these courts.
It's impossible to prove that you're born to a citizen if that citizen parent's only proof of citizenship is a birth certificate, though, right? Even if this is on a one-generation delay trigger, it's insane and completely unworkable, as well as repugnant to what the U.S. means.
There's already efforts in red states to require health care providers to ask all patients about their immigration status. So we may soon see different birth certificates for citizens vs perceived noncitizens.
People should also consider if their lineage includes birth certificates with no father listed. Do you then have to prove paternity to prove your citizenship? These hurdles are out of the child's control.
Once it’s gone there are any number of evils. Take away African & Native AM citizen🛳️reason it’s in the📜.Saw it w/Rowe& afterwards.The MAGA just getting started. I’d you need forbears citizenship papers 📄reissued it’s ran 20k back 5 or so years ago even if you have an ugly copy with all relevant #.
The problem w/all most citizens roots based on birthright. 🚫 many immigrants went thru citizenship-wasn’t required or needed. Weren’t undocumented immigrants categories etc. Thus most of us r F if we have to doc. Citizen🛳️Especially as this clause was to protect the freed Blacks after CivilWar.RESIST
Just the opposite. When a baby is born in the US, they get a birth certificate from the local county. Until a passport is issued, with that BC as support, the BC proves citizenship. Until the BCs change, it will take work to prove someone is NOT a citizen.
To be fair, it *could* stand in the way. It's not a 'will'. Who knows what Trump can accomplish now. What I can't understand is why people think birthright citizenship is such an important law. I don't know of any other countries that have this. Citizenship is from the parents or earned.
And how is it "from the parents"? That's what birthright citizenship IS. Without it they could just pick people at random (or by whatever metrics they like) and deport them. That's what happened to the Jews in WWII. Their citizenship was stripped and they were removed from their homes.
High school civics class informs my belief that you are right. However, the bible he did not put his hand on; the one he autographed and added a personal message to Chief SCOTUS Roberts as a gift; informs me the constitution won’t be honored when you’re case is before SCOTUS.
Do you really blve the Constitution means anything to an openly treasonous party w/corrupt judicial/legal/congress AND 🇷🇺 mafia backing them Marc?
TY for your unfailing persistence in fighting all these battles—but the courts no longer respect constitutional law
#generalstrike is the non-violent way
He already rescinded the executive order that would have lowered prescription drug prices for Medicare and Medicaid recipients. All he cares about is undoing Biden's accomplishments no matter who it harms.
And I think that's actually a purpose of this slew of obviously flawed orders. The organizations that protect us from these autocratic moves now have to pay for many lawsuits on many issues. It will exhaust the people working on it, following it, reporting on it and bankrupt the organizations.
This is one of the reasons why I canceled my @nytimes.com subscription and eschew the mainstream media ... this bullshit. So afraid of getting a mean tweet; so afraid of a weak, middle school bully.
Bending over backwards to normalize his psychosis. What's next, "U.S. borrows Greenland"??
I really hope the Dems in Congress are prepping another attempt to impeach him. It may fail again, but at least it would throw sand in the gears so he won't get everything he wants done.
Different circumstances: McConnell order GOP senators not to indict him on both impeachments so it kinda depends on how the fascists senators feel about amending the constitution. I think most are against it and trump really isn’t great on securing votes.
I agree . We have to stay strong and find ways to weaken them. Lawsuits against the government and boycotting his tech buddies. They can’t stop us from doing that.
Too many posters here that want to obey in advance. Birthright citizenship is a right guaranteed in the Constitution and cannot be negated by an executive order. The failure to obey the Constitution does not render it null and void. Grow a pair and fight for your rights!! Carry on, Marc!
If this includes children born of lawful immigrants who are not US citizens, then DEPORT Don Jr, Ivanka, Eric & Barron bcuz their mothers WERE NOT US CITIZENS WHEN THEY WHERE BORN IN THE US.
He tried in the easy way that isn't valid. Actually changing the Constitution requires 2/3 of each house of Congress and 3/4 of the states to ratify. As we've seen with the ERA it's very, very hard. And for good reason.
NYT has sanewashed Trump for the last 10 years, & kneecapped Biden at every turn, no matter how great his accomplishments. Ended my subscription years ago & I urge everybody still subscribing to them to dump them. I mean, I know Wordle is fun, but is it really worth supporting that traitorous rag?
Not if they rewrite constitution - and that’s their intent. It seems likely that they will create budget stress to trigger a convention.
If the Dems show up with their typical “deer in the headlights” look when this convention is called., they’ll get rolled over as usual, and they’ll deserve it.
No his intent is not to rewrite it. He wants to clarify "under the jurisdiction thereof" in 14, saying undocumented parents may not be under the jurisdiction of. Though I'll agree conservatives do want a constitutional convention which would be daunting.
Not sure I'm too worked up over this one. To create a new constitution would require an agreement of 38 states. Good luck with that. If they do have one I hope they decide to dissolve the United States and be done with it.
I'd love to be from the nation of Massachusetts or New England.
1- Nothing is politics is impossible and we are at a time where enough people want to burn everything. 2- in this century, countries when undergoing an authoritarian takeover, tend to change the constitution to please the Dear Leader…
I think the DNC should push for the convention and then when they get there push for a national separation of red and blue states and watch all the MAGAts pee their pants because without blue money they'd all starve. It would give me a giggle.
An Article V Convention is a long shot. Congress can't force it alone, they need 34 state legislatures also calling for one. 38 states would need to ratify any amendments coming out of that convention, so this isn't exactly a cheat code to pushing unpopular ideas.
That could be HARD? Screw the media, like you said Marc, it is unconstitutional. Keep giving him a "he didn't know what he was doing" bullshit cop out/
So is allowing an Insurrectionist to hold office. The sooner we stop pretending that illegal/ unconstitutional means ANYTHING to our general mindset the better. I respect the work the attys will be doing to battle this in the courts. But us non-attys need to look away from that as a source of safety
But when Trump has the SCOTUS in his pocket and full immunity… I feel that he has no guardrails and can what he wants. I truly hope SCOTUS upholds the 14th Amendment, but I’m doubtful.
The US Constitution was written by James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and John Jay. They were great and honorable men. They believed in Laws, Rights, and Liberty. Donald Trump will never be considered a great and honorable man. He is a liar, a cheat, and a bigot. And he un-American.
Unconstitutional does not matter anymore, Marc. It’s only important to point out so we can see how monstrous his transgressions are, but the constitution no longer functions as an obstacle for them.
He is a rapist and felon who just became President of the US. This will be a piece of cake for him. Every step of the way people said it would be hard and yet he has bulldozed through. This too will happen, along with him not leaving in 4 years. It’s too late to start paying attention now.
Yes, a lot of people think this. I however feel he will. Wealthy people have the means to hang in there longer. I think he will simply refuse to leave this time. Whether it’s from an attempt to change the Constitution or to simply ignore it. He will have the military to back him. He will not leave.
He doesn’t care. He believes himself to be Emperor, and the Emperor’s word is law. What’s worse is that his cult followers believe exactly the same thing.
As a Canadian-American, I felt a twinge of fear as I have been in the states since I was 5; that is what he does - scaremonger. I only had a twinge because i am white I'll probably go under the radar. But there is that fear and i can't imagine how immigrants are feeling.
I too am Canadian with American citizenship. Been here since high school. I'll happily be deported!! My husband refuses to move anywhere with snow, but I desperately want to go back home.
It seems like kind of a grey area to me. Someone who comes here on a visa has a baby...citizen. Someone who deliberately sets out to drop an anchor baby as a path to residency, no. But how do you tell them apart?
Do you have any understanding of why the 14th was put into place? Any at all. It is absolute. The end. Drumph has already broken constitutional law. Already.
...anyone born on US soil is a US citizen this isn't a question. The US was built on the backs of slavery and immigration! I'm native on my maternal side, but on my father's side we are HEAVILY French Canadian French. Generations have been here the same goes for various ethnicities all in which~
Would become a target. You know what else? Those who disagree with what he says could be the next target to uproot their citizenship rights. This is not okay and there shpuld be no "telling apart" it puts cross hairs on anyone who isn't blatantly white. There are no illegal people on stolen land!!
If the birthright citizenship were removed would not that remove US citizenship from #FeloniousTheFirst, his evil offspring, and Barron since they all are offspring of immigrants...asking for a nation of immigrants...
Technically it would remove citizenship from anyone who isn't of NAI or Mexican descent. What they really want is a way to "send back" brown immigrants who came here within the last 20 years or so. As usual with their plans there are going to be a lot of unintended consequences.
Not "could" stand in the way. It stands in the way. That's why it is in the constitution. It's a show-stopper and there is a reason for that. It's allready been settled. It's not changeable without the the hard and allmost impossible procedure to amend the constitution.
I’m super curious about how undocumented parents are “under our jurisdiction” enough to be arrested and detained but not enough to count for the 14th amendment. Seems like what he really did was claim that undocumented people *aren’t subject to our laws* which seems like it would be… not great.
Stand up for those who can't
Literally stand between ICE, border patrol, police and bigots.
Legally they must dhow a CURRENT ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT
Or u can refuse them entry!
I love local city & states saying they won't cooperate. I live in a county of Iowa with very high Hispanic immigration numbers, where past ICE raids occurred at Swift. The local Chief of Police said they won't cooperate if ordered to round up immigrants, etc. Other state governors are refusing, too
That's great, I really appreciate people with a spine!
I'm in oregon, the cities are saying they won't so far, redneck towns (like mine) will go hunt brown skin people down!
Don’t you think SCOTUS will find a way to find birthright citizenship unconstitutional despite what the Constitution says? The 6 conservatives seem to twist the Constitution in ways that justify ignoring it.
If they do, can a future Dem administration use that to deport members of the MAGA cult? They're so desperate to live somewhere like Hungary, maybe they'd be happier there. (Yes, I know Dems wouldn't do that, just making a point.)
Know what's unconstitutional? An insurrectionist holding federal office. Oh, that would include Marjorie, Boebert, Gosar, and... Trump. Wow, lookee that, an insurrectionist just obtained the Presidency, despite Musk's alleged rigging in Pennsylvania. Guess nothing can be done, oh wait #14thAmendment
Not to mention co-President Musk and VP whatsisname's owner Thiel are not Native Born Citizens and wouldn't be eligible to be elected to the powers they now have. Once we have sane people in charge again both of them should be sent back to South Africa.
Sucks that the Supreme Court has blatantly stated its collusion with him. Not to be a doomer, but what possible reason would they have not to just go with whatever he wants at this point?
Yes, but the orange guy wants to “reinterpret” the constitution and remake it in his image. He cares nothing about anyone or anything except what he can extract from this once great country before he hands it over to his puppet masters, Russia and China.
They are doing a lot of things that are unconstitutional. Some members of the SCOTUS are also doing, if not unconstitutional things, illegal things. What are we to do? He is untouchable. Who will stop him?
There's a lot that already exists. PoliticsGirl, MSW Media, ResistanceLive, MeidasTouch, just to mention a few. Not to mention newsletters and podcasts from many independent journalists. They're harder to find than legacy media but they're there.
Constitution is already null and void. Why do you assume otherwise? We have a felon insurrectionist that SCOTUS deemed a perfectly acceptable candidate for the highest office of the land.
1/3 of voters voted for the Felon. 1/3 voted for Harris. 1/3 DIDN'T BOTHER TO VOTE (or were unconstitutionally denied the opportunity to). We need to get as many as possible of the third group informed and out to the polls in '26 and '28 to fix this mess.
They act like this govt is law abiding and plays by the rules!!! The Constitution? Get real! Trump and goonies are calling the shots. They have a new rule book.
Sad but true. Hopefully this can be fixed when the next legit administration comes in, but there's going to be a lot of damage in the meantime. We have work to do to flip Congress in '26 and take back the White House in '28.
The constitution was removed from https://whitehouse.gov
I typed in Constitution. It brought to all his executive orders- some mimic our 1st Amendment. Then I scrolled down to next-404 PAGE NOT FOUND.
We have a rogue SCOTUS,too. I believe the only way to do this is an uprising of millions of people.
I think a constant barrage of lawsuits could metaphorically pin trump to the dirt like Lilliputian strings did to Gulliver. Granted, I think some Lilliputians were injured in the process...
@marcelias.bsky.social we will absolutely need your megaphone to help folks understand that everything rides on an overwhelming response from the public when Trump defies the Court and tries to murder the Constitution.
We have one real shot to rein it in. Then bets are officially off.
Trump's attempt to rule by decree here raises the whole question of: who is a citizen?
Your parents were citizens? What made them citizens? Were they naturalized? The only people with an actual legal proof of their citizenship are naturalized citizens. There's no longer any other definition.
We were the first nation with a written constitution. For the next four years, our commitment to that document is going to be tested on social and human justice.
He broke the oath before even taking office in the first place. Remember "Russia if you're listening"? He should have been removed from the campaign trail and investigated as a foreign asset back then.
It isn't lunch time the day after he DIDN'T put his hand on a Bible & "Sware to God," and there are already THREE law suits filed against the dementing psychopath!
Question is, do we have a Congress and/or a Supreme Court that will stop him? You can definitely write Congress off, now, the Supreme Court is still up in the air. But the real big question is where does our military stand? Anyway, best of luck.
If anyone thinks that with the Supreme Court that he & McConnell manufactured in his last term,his minions on the court won’t find a way to reverse that clause in the 14th amendment, then they’re living in fantasyland! It’s entirely possible that SCOTUS will find a way around birthright citizenship.
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Sorry to be so pessimistic, but I can't see a way out of this right now.
Maybe I should change it to "Will we ever fucking get there" but that's kind of long to type. Especially when autocorrect will change it to "ducking" every time.😅
And everything I learn about Roberts makes me think facilitating stupid racism is his raison d'etre as a justice. 🤬
It WILL be hard. Impossible actually without 32 states agreeing.
The constitution has been removed from the Whitehouse website.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-constitution/
That will need to be argued..
Citizenship comes from the country.
There are plenty of countries that have birthright citizenship and citizenship granted if you live there a certain amount of time.
The bad news is that if the courts decide this interpretation of the 14th is correct, a whole bunch of new potentially denaturalizable people would be created. And that's a coin flip with these courts.
Am I wrong?
How about doing your fu©king job?
TY for your unfailing persistence in fighting all these battles—but the courts no longer respect constitutional law
#generalstrike is the non-violent way
He obviously doesn't really care about the Constitution.
The question really becomes, Can we be loud enough about this to embarrass everyone supporting it?
Bending over backwards to normalize his psychosis. What's next, "U.S. borrows Greenland"??
There's not one shred of decency in the media today. Not one.
Note the use of “could.” Even “should” wouldn’t be reassuring.
I suspect there will be many constitutional attacks during the next four years... Get your sleep Marc, I think you're going to need it...
Somebody spotted that problem I guess?
If the Dems show up with their typical “deer in the headlights” look when this convention is called., they’ll get rolled over as usual, and they’ll deserve it.
I'd love to be from the nation of Massachusetts or New England.
There are a lot of red states sitting on the fence, so while there is a lot of work to do, I wouldn't be totally shocked.
Like you, I'd be open to a West America (CA, OR, WA). Plenty of GDP in that group.
Calling the convention isn't the big deal.
Seems to me that the DNC should at least game this out and do a little risk planning.
There’s that.
WHO DECIDES UNCONSTITUTIONALITY?
Now read your comment again.
I wish it was that easy - just say "It's unconstitutional."
NYT is not "news", it is propaganda.
#BOYCOTTNYT
The oligarchy and its tools of disinfo, manipulation and control must be mercilessly dismembered.
The insanity begins......deep sigh
Gives a former illegal immigrant an office in the White House
#TodaysGOP
Legal, productive & helped the city recover.
But VANCE & TRUMP created a false narrative & nazis marched…
But only if they are not his color...
Someone let the media know about our 1st target is Chicago
Hmmm who could that big a$$ loudmouth be?
What a maroon
What a trump
Literally stand between ICE, border patrol, police and bigots.
Legally they must dhow a CURRENT ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT
Or u can refuse them entry!
I'm in oregon, the cities are saying they won't so far, redneck towns (like mine) will go hunt brown skin people down!
Before people are petrified by any unknown face
Will not acknowledge the gross incompetence of nominee Long as IRS Commissioner
Personal discussion today
Does Fox cover these nominations??
14th amendment , Section 1 >>
I, uh… have mastered this skill.
This action will visit the legal system like all others that are unconstitutional. Like all others did in 2016 that were also unconstitutional.
It's a lesson the rest of the world didn't want to see. America breaking the world's institutions apart over money and spite
Please correct me if i'm wrong🤔
Now, we have an illegitimate president who is a felon.
I typed in Constitution. It brought to all his executive orders- some mimic our 1st Amendment. Then I scrolled down to next-404 PAGE NOT FOUND.
We have a rogue SCOTUS,too. I believe the only way to do this is an uprising of millions of people.
We have one real shot to rein it in. Then bets are officially off.
Your parents were citizens? What made them citizens? Were they naturalized? The only people with an actual legal proof of their citizenship are naturalized citizens. There's no longer any other definition.
Is it in us?💙✊🏿
Enjoy being dismantled NYT
😂😂🖕