I understand that Kilmar Abrego Garcia may have abused his wife but I still don’t believe, given the values enshrined in the constitution and the principles of the rule of law, that he should become Secretary of Defense
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Doesn’t matter what he has or has not done, or may or may not have done. He should still have due process in any country that claims to be a democracy.
And for those found guilty of any crime, the prison they are held in should meet standards worthy of a democracy.
Bless their hearts. I just give those commenters a gentle pat on the head comment back so they feel good and I feel good- especially when they’re trying to explain why I should support the point I just stated.
This is obscene. That the President would use a doctored photo to argue a man should be denied due process — and left in an El Salvador prison for the remainder of his life — is so beyond the bounds of decency.
It’s a bit premature (& likely to get Kilmar Garcia killed) by talking about how Kilmar should sue DT for defamation, when his life is literally in hands of DT & his new BFF, “cool dictator” Bukele.
(defamation is a personal tort, so dead people or surviving relatives can’t sue for defamation)
trump's first wife, Ivana, accused him of raping her when she refused sex with him, so fox "news" can fuck all the way off trying to portray Garcia, with no evidence whatsoever, as some terrorist gang member.
I hope fox understands they'll be seen as collaborators when this fascist regime ends.
Stop promoting lies about Garcia. You have no idea who he is or what he does. This is not about his behavior, good or bad. If it were Pete Hegseth would be in El Salvador.
I don't care if he beat his wife, I don't care if he is in MS13, I only care that b4 we send people to be incarcerated in an El Salvador supermax our government follows the laws.
How about we NEVER send anyone to be incarcerated a super max prison in another country? Extradition to be tried in another country is one thing but this is not that
And Trump had raped and assaulted many women who were not his wife. If he is in the WH, Garcia surely doesn’t need to be in a Gulag. There are courts in the US to deal with domestic violence.
Summary justice is what terrorists dish out. Also known as Vigilante Justice. The rule of law is set aside at the whim of the prosecutors who do not have the authority to do that.
His current wife flatly claims that he did not assault her.She was granted an order of protection only as a precautionary measure because she had been abused in a previous relationship.
She got a restraining order -- but never alleged abuse (and denies it).
"she said she "acted out of caution after a disagreement" due to her previous experience surviving domestic violence, that Abrego Garcia has "always been a loving partner and father" and that the pair went to counseling. "
I stand corrected. My point was that he does not deserve to be judged. He was just living his life- however imperfect when he was renditioned to El Salavador.
Yes. And the fact that the fucking Department of Homeland Security posted this in a desperate attempt to find a single wrong thing he ever did is fucking disgusting.
He did and she did. I wish people understood how violently hard a person needs to be hit to get their teeth knocked out…while they can’t even raise their arms to defend themselves because they are holding their baby.
Related: I hope Mel has a hard relapse and eats some lead.
According to FBI statistics, there are more American men who are rapists and murderers than immigrant men. A member of my family was stalked and murdered by an affluent, white American man. She did everything she could to prevent her death including police reports and restraining orders.
Even if that were true (about Garcia, Hegseth is obvious), we can make a show about bringing his ass here for actual justice. Community service and whatnot.
Do you know how many people have used their lives in our government and in corporations that are now leading the country? I wanted to say he should have been arrested for that and given due process for that, But no matter who you are you can get away with hurting women.
His wife responded to the wife beater accusation saying he is not a violent man, but had outbursts of anger that frightened her, due to a past relationship in which she was battered. Took out TRO out of caution. Both attended marriage couseling.
I read her book when it first came out. Before they could take all of that out of the book… And indeed she said he raped her.
We know he’s a rapist.
He knows he’s a rapist.
I remember that story, in particular, along with all of the tabloid covers and bankruptcies and I was in primary school! Lower primary school, like second or third grade!
Yeah, I grew up in DC, so more news than most of America, but information about what a creep he is was and is pervasive!
Or be in the Oval after beating and raping your wife because she recommended the doctor that did your botched hair transplant… like Donald the Sexual Predator did.
His current wife flatly declared that he had not beaten her. She only got a protective order - as a precaution - because of her having experienced abuse in a previous relationship.
I mean he buried his wife in a heavily weeded corner of his golf course, and cheated on the. and bragged about it, it's safe to say that they were all abused in some form, verbally, mentally or physically.
The rule of law is that everyone, the most despicable, the gang members, the murders, should have their day in court. The government has to prove they have identified the person correctly and that the person is guilty of an offense. Even then, exile to a paid concentration camp is cruel & unusual.
Even the worst of the worst deserve due process and respectful treatment, we MUST stand by this for if there is any exception it can be manipulated to mistreat innocent people
The wife did get a restraining order saying he gave her a black eye, ripped her shirt but she ended up dropping it after they made up. Still doesn’t mean he deserves what is happening to him.
Yeah, abused spouses drop or refuse to press charges all the time for all kinds of reasons. One of the most common outcomes in domestic disturbance calls. Doesn’t mean nothing happened, but last I checked, spousal abuse doesn’t come with a life sentence in an offshore prison.
No worries, Im against what they are doing. I believe in due process for everyone even if a criminal or gang member. I do not believe he is either of those.
I think spousal abuse is a terrible thing. Having said that, if we’re deporting wife beaters to El Salvador gulags I can think of quite a few police officers that make the cut…
Yes, and ivana trump accused donald of pulling her hair out by the fistful? He also cheated on at least 2 of his wives, one while she had nursing infant!
"Ivana stated in a deposition taken in 1990, during their divorce proceedings, that Donald had visited her plastic surgeon following which he had expressed anger and ripped out hair from her scalp."
" According to the book, Ivana later confided to some of her friends that Donald had raped her"
A Due Process Clause is found in both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution, which prohibit the deprivation of "life, liberty, or property" by the federal and state governments, respectively, without due process of law.
The wife denied that claim. Said she once got a restraining order as their arguments were escalating but after therapy etc they worked it out. Don’t believe there was violence.
Him abusing his wife is very wrong (if true I haven't done much research into it).
I'd like every man to think here really quick about their friend group. Statistically the MAJORITY of the men who are married in that group have abused their spouse in some way. That is the issue.
Trump abused Ivana. She said so. Men are raping their wives & abusing them in many ways. They are not flown to a foreign gulag with no charges brought & evidence given at a trial. Every single man who has been kidnapped, detained & sent to El Salvador needs to be returned & given their day in court.
This isn’t even a difficult thing to work through. I can’t think of any awful thing a person does that makes me think they don’t deserve a process or that they do deserve torture. Rule of law has table stakes. How many times do we need to fuck this up before we figure out how to hand them down?
There is no need to qualify anything, nor carry any propaganda water for this administration. The man has never been convicted or even charged with a crime. Until that happens, he’s an innocent man rotting in El Salvador, and that’s all that really matters.
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And for those found guilty of any crime, the prison they are held in should meet standards worthy of a democracy.
Kilmar Garcia SHOULD be allowed to sue Trump.
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-touts-seemingly-doctored-photo-of-abrego-garcias-hand-in-attempt-to-prove-maryland-man-is-gang-member/
(defamation is a personal tort, so dead people or surviving relatives can’t sue for defamation)
I hope fox understands they'll be seen as collaborators when this fascist regime ends.
Maybe it’s our fucking culture
1. Isn’t accusing Garcia of crimes for which he’s never even been charged, let alone convicted, per se defamatory?
2. If yes, can Garcia’s wife sue “news” outlets like Fox that are destroying her family’s reputation?
Or am I thinking of some other guy?
The GOP emboldens these losers. That is how desperate they are.
"she said she "acted out of caution after a disagreement" due to her previous experience surviving domestic violence, that Abrego Garcia has "always been a loving partner and father" and that the pair went to counseling. "
I’m glad there are people like you to support them and volunteer to find them homes in your neighborhood.
Related: I hope Mel has a hard relapse and eats some lead.
but, sure, the problem is cancel culture, along with egg prices
The Sunday night before trump was to testify
Now her grave in in Bedminster.
This allows for a tax break.
Which is also why Bedminster has goats.
For an "agricultural" tax break".
Pigs gonna pig
We know he’s a rapist.
He knows he’s a rapist.
Yeah, I grew up in DC, so more news than most of America, but information about what a creep he is was and is pervasive!
There is no reason anybody should be able to avoid the legal system like he did.
Those were avoided and should have taken place.
The guy was able to avoid multiple trials that would have locked him up for the rest of his life.
(Because she's explicitly stating otherwise)
" According to the book, Ivana later confided to some of her friends that Donald had raped her"
I'd like every man to think here really quick about their friend group. Statistically the MAJORITY of the men who are married in that group have abused their spouse in some way. That is the issue.
Then I need all of those men who abuse their wives to come to my home and I can help "educate" you on how to not be a piece of shit to women.