Well, they got pardoned to "rebuild a nation" and a few years later when the south traded the presidency for the removal of federal troops protecting black voters the divided it right back up.
Boycott this and encourage local and national news coverage of what fElon is doing. If we stop the press and their money, they lose their power. Any recipients of the money he is offering should donate it to local food banks, medical facilities and bail out those who’re are jailed for protesting.
America has a serious problem, as the MAGA Republicans identify with the Confederates and see them as founders of the America they intend to establish.
But there were "good people on both sides"! It's just that the "good people" on the Confederate side wanted to own other human beings, beat them, work them to death, rape the women & sell the children. But MAGA revisionist history now paints them as noble rugged individualists & true patriots.
This is true. Yet Lincoln, on the advice of Grant and Sherman, sent them all home at war’s end without penalty, except for Jefferson Davis. Indeed, the Union army saluted the Confederates as they surrendered, acknowledging their military chops and the fact that many were friends pre-war.
Good time to remember that every Confederate general should have been labeled a traitor and given the death penalty. We allowed the disease to live on and fester
It was a joke. They were the two most notoriously bad traitor generals. Hood, in particular, was a psychopath who sent tens of thousands of Americans to their deaths from Atlanta through Nashville.
It’s doubly galling both had bases named after them.
…Hood sent Southerners to their deaths into the maw of Sherman’s and Thomas’s armies, but those Southerners were still Americans. A real glassy-eyed fanatic and sicko.
I mean it’s a fun quip, yes. But they were all very literally traitors. Unlike ordinary civilians they’d all taken a specific oath to defend the constitution, which they broke. Later they had to petition to be forgiven for their act of betrayal and treason.
Several Confederate generals actually won office after the Civil War, including Joseph Wheeler in Congress, Wade Hampton III and John Brown Gordon as governors and senators, and James Longstreet in federal roles. Others, like P.G.T. Beauregard, influenced state politics.
The 14th amendment does allow for amnesty, did they get that?
Either way, you can't deny the stupidity of refusing to prosecute a traitor and believing as Biden did that he would be a better president the second time around.
Lincoln really should have hanged at least all the Confederate officers. Leniency in 1865 was a huge mistake that led to the eventual loss of the insurrection stage of the war in 1877.
There are times when leniency is appropriate, but almost never in a leader of a criminal organization such as the republican party, the insurrection, etc.
People like that absolutely need to face swift and aggressive justice.
Refusing justice for such people is abdicating rule of law.
Most confederate soldiers up to generals were blanket pardoned af civil war by A.Johnson.Except for a list of abt 14 generals and confederate officials who had to specifically ask which included good old Bobby Lee.
The only confederate general worth anything was Longstreet whom the Lost Cause hates.
Where I grew up, they would say they were loyal to their state. The people who said that would have been cannon fodder for rich white plantation owning generals.
Instead of charging headlong into the Yankee aggressors, you now must suffer diseases that were once under control, increased cost of living in service to your rich white overlords, and a destruction of a public education system meant to improve an entire population.
They will live in their gated communities accumulating levels of wealth that don’t require insurance. They will send their children to the new segregation academies paid for by public dollars.
Your children can go to those academies too but they will learn that they are in service to their noble founders. They will be taught how to be mud sills and to be the new generation of cannon fodder for the modern day plantation owner.
They desire a return to a structured caste system. Getting the people being conditioned to accept their place in the lowest rung of it is the challenge. As long as they feel their master is a benevolent one, there will be no uprising.
And tRump just this morning, signed an order to put all of the Confederate statues, etc. back and allow the Confederate flag to be flown at government buildings.
In retrospect, the statues should have been ripped down within months of being erected.
No lost cause participation trophies.
As it was, the impression has always been:
We should have let the south secede. They are a drain on everything good, a cesspool of what isn’t and will never change. In fact they are proud of it.
They should have all been hanged for treason. Coddling treasonous cocksuckers is continuing to bite us in the ass for 160 years. Not to mention that General Patton was right, and we should have gone into Russia at the end of WWII. instead, we coddled Russia and continue to pay the price.
If the US survives as democracy, it should take a note from German laws banning Nazi symbols, and ban all maga and confederate symbols. No more confederate flag, no maga hats, no statues of trump or confederate generals, etc.
Worth mentioning that former US president John Tyler voted for Virginia's secession, briefly served as a member of the Confederate Congress, and when he died his coffin was draped with a Confederate flag. Fucking traitor.
Those soldiers shot at and killed American soldiers. Don’t let the confederate sympathizers forget that. Winners get monuments. Losers get chapters in history books.
I knew a magat who complained when they took a statue down. I reminded her that was actually a traitor to the USA and she was sort of surprised and didn’t know what to say. They are profoundly stupid.
And we are here today because the Confederate generals and their political rulers were not hung for treason, their creed eradicated forever from the land.
If we did the hard thing then, we wouldn't have to do the hard thing now, when the political solutions are exhausted and the courts don't work.
Yes, and then look what happened Post-Reconstruction—Jim Crow America. These mediocre, sorry-ass conservative white guys don’t like to share with the rest of us so they make everyone’s life miserable as soon as America makes any progress. Yes, I’m pro-woke!
A military victory, sure, but slavery didn’t even officially end for another 8 months. Then sharecropping, convict leasing, peonage; coerced labor persisted well into the 20th century, some argue longer. Now? Forced labor takes an extra form: 9 months at a time for women
That is true, they were traitors, but we didn't have to desecrate their graves or move their statues. Those should have stood as historical reminders, but then you build idols to criminal gangster thugs like they're some kind of martyred saints.
Capitalism is still entitled shit bags glorifying passive income. Slavery being slightly less obvious and racist doesn’t mean it’s over. End prison slavery.
And the reason for that was because the SCOTUS Chief Justice wanted to run for political office and felt he’d need the Southern vote to get elected, so he basically helped to end the trials with no one getting convicted or penalized
Most Southerners still have no grasp of this or that all the confederate supporters were traitors to the USA. Only by the brilliance, insight, and grace of President Lincoln were they restored to citizenship, their treachery pardoned. Southern arrogance keeps the south damaged & poor to this day.
Tremendous amounts of false pride survived in the south. No one talks about Jeff Davis being found in women's clothing trying to sneak out of the country. Gone with the Wind wasn't written to romanticize the south & the war but people missed the whole point of the book/movie adding to the lore.
I se that.
Lincoln was intent on healing the nation. The south was in ruins. There had to be a way for the freed slaves to rise. But with no accountability things like the statues, flags, sayings, and songs have kept the arrogance going all these decades causing great harm and unfinished healing.
Charge the hill yelling is not a successful strategy. This from Google: "Union soldiers discovered a copy of Confederate General Robert E. Lee's battle plan, Special Order 191, wrapped around cigars, which detailed Lee's planned movements and invasion strategy". This was their Signal Gate of Idiots.
As my profile notes, Robert E. Lee became a veteran the moment he turned traitor
Sadly many of my veteran cohorts, didn't actually know which principles they swore to defend, I hold those veterans in special contempt, those that voted for the Creamsicle Turd
When the dust settles from the upcoming conflict, remember this as a lesson. Conservative culture cannot be allowed to survive. It is the single biggest threat to the future or humanity we face.
The South wasn't trying to conquer the North, so there really wouldn't be a scenario where the Northern officers would be considered traitors even if they lost.
We live in the United States. It was treason against the United States. End of story.
And no the us generals wld not have been traitors since the union govt wouldn’t be have been replaced. Think abt that one again for more than 5 seconds.
Yes, just as if the Nazis had won, they would have seen themselves as the good guys is "a matter of perspective". It's just that the perspective is dogshit.
Stand Watie was a CSA Brigider General and Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation. The majority of the Cherokee Nation did vote to support the Confederacy, so I think it'd be inaccurate to call him a "traitor."
rl lee managed to leave a third of his command on the field after absurdly marching towards new york. that makes him one of the better union general officers, measured by rebels reduced from rebellion.
No they were not…. They were simply defending the Constitution as it was written in 1860-1865… Union soldiers and President Lincoln didn’t consider them traitors, just disagreeing members of the family of states
It's also a good day to remember that literally every Confederate soldier was literally a traitor as well. Remember, they endured 483,026 total Confederate casualties and the only thing they won their generals' names on some army bases. Piss-poor use of resources, to my way of thinking.
It was pretty clearly documented, and yet we still had to live it again to remind people. And many of those who needed reminding still don't see the problem.
I really think it's possible that almost every domestic American issue since 1865 has stemmed from the decision not to charge every single one of them with treason.
Ehh...he was a terrible leader, a worse general, and a complete piece of shit who actively tried to undermine Lincoln, but he wasn't a traitor. Being historically wrong and bad at his job isn't treason, that is reserved for those who actively fought against the country
As a Vet it annoys me when they say more Americans died in the Civil War than other wars. The South seceded; their numbers by their own definition should not apply to the U.S. death count.
They had a legal right to secede. The federal govt had no right to force them to not secede. (Of course slavery was deeply immoral and a related issue but not the primary cause of the war. The primary cause of the war was US government forcing southern states to stay in the union.
1/2 I spent a couple of years in Germany. In our off-time, a bunch of us soldiers went sightseeing. We went to a museum in a smaller town and tried to pay the entrance fee.
Gent at the register rolled up his sleeve and showed his tattoo He said no Americans pay. He then gave us a guided tour.
But none were hanged. Just finished watching Manhunt on AppleTV+. It was good. But now I wanna know a whole lot more about Edwin Stanton, the secretary of war. Who I think was a Radical Republican. Back when that meant something good.
They are in the process of rewriting our history. See Smithsonian reporting today. As Orwell so accurately predicted "Every Union General was literally a traitor." Authoritarianism is here my dude.
Or -- if you believe they had a legal right to secede -- they were enemy combatants responsible for killing more Americans than any other enemy nation in history.
Either way, having statues for them on American soil is indefensible.
And every single one of them - and all of their officers above the rank of Lt. - should have been summarily hanged. We would live in a better world if that had happened.
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Yeah, naming bases of the United States military after dudes who literally made war against the United States military is some seriously nonsensical 💩. As is flying the loser's flag anywhere in the winner's territory. But that's the south for you.
Some currently retired military officers I met said the main Confederate generals should have been executed at the end of the war and many of our current problems wouldn’t exist!!!
I think it was wise of Lincoln and Grant who both said not to punish Confederate soldiers… for the good of the country & its recovery. Soldiers went back to their farms, Lee accepted emancipation & led a college & Jeff Davis wrestled with his conscience. All still Americans. We need to heal.
In that case, all GOP members of Congress are traitors and can be arrested for treason, felony and breach of the peace under US Constitution Article 1, Section 6, Clause 1
If we had done to the confederacy what the Germans did with the Nazis this would be a different country !! Instead we let them put up statues and take government positions !!
Germany didn’t do all that much to the Nazis. Yes, they hung a few. Not many. Additionally, some of the lawyers trying Nazis were Nazis themselves. When this is over, we need to do better.
All the most senior ones were hung or killed themselves (the exception being Doenitz, who was very lucky not to get the rope). None of the top Nazis disappeared - some middle-ranking ones.
I think almost all Nazis are dead now. I knew someone who lived next door to Demjanjuk in Ohio. They were convinced he wasn’t a Nazi. I don’t know about that.
Exactly. Although it's kind of useful when we hear some throwback redhat say they need the statues to remember their history, because that's how we know that's a dude who doesn't know how to read a book.
I disagree. The germans did what they did with nazis and america still ended up with nazis. The civil rights movement in america was one of the most logical and moral movements on the face of the planet. And america still ended up with nazis.
I really am having trouble following what you're saying re: the rise of US Nazis & how that relates to German law. It seems like you're saying "My neighbor cut out cholesterol and I still got a heart condition"
Am I missing something there?
First off? Nazis in germany literally got cues from america. How america treated black people. Then. Of course. It's about how america first was flat out a movement that wanted america NOT to take out nazis. Which then of course got used by trump to win in a majority white country..twice.
Overall though. The point? Nothing. And i mean nothing. Could keep white people from later becoming nazis. Because of course becoming a nazis is entirely dependent on the LACK of information. Not the presentation of it. Getting rid of information in a person's mind is how nazis form.
Meaning. White people will become nazis no matter what people do and don't do. The best we can hope for? The best we can do? Is keep nazis out of positions of power/influence. Which america has clearly failed at.
Rap. R&b has been screaming against racism since both started. With white people literally growing up with both. And we still ended up with white cops killing black people.
Yet you let them build statues commemorating those generals, and to continue to fly the Confederate flag. The culture that led to the confederacy should have been stomped out.
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Seriously, I am getting late 1850's vibes.
It’s doubly galling both had bases named after them.
In some ways, “Our situation is new”, to quote an authority, but in others, events have made our history come all too alive.
Either way, you can't deny the stupidity of refusing to prosecute a traitor and believing as Biden did that he would be a better president the second time around.
People like that absolutely need to face swift and aggressive justice.
Refusing justice for such people is abdicating rule of law.
The only confederate general worth anything was Longstreet whom the Lost Cause hates.
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No lost cause participation trophies.
As it was, the impression has always been:
Win the war, lose the peace, & etc.
Treason in defense of slavery.
(Different type of republicans in those days…)
Congress knew how to hold a grudge back then.
Leave the hicks to endure their new dark ages alone.
If we did the hard thing then, we wouldn't have to do the hard thing now, when the political solutions are exhausted and the courts don't work.
Highly recommend
https://angrystaffofficer.com/2019/04/01/debunking-the-myth-of-southern-hegemony-southerners-who-stayed-loyal-to-the-us-in-the-civil-war/
It wasn’t then AND it isn’t now
Free state of Winston.
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Even Jefferson Davis himself never faced trial.
Reconstruction was a massive failure
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Lincoln was intent on healing the nation. The south was in ruins. There had to be a way for the freed slaves to rise. But with no accountability things like the statues, flags, sayings, and songs have kept the arrogance going all these decades causing great harm and unfinished healing.
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Sadly many of my veteran cohorts, didn't actually know which principles they swore to defend, I hold those veterans in special contempt, those that voted for the Creamsicle Turd
A world where Lincoln doesn't get shot winds up looking very different.
No north no south.
The Union forever.
A matter of perspective
Words have meanings.
And no the us generals wld not have been traitors since the union govt wouldn’t be have been replaced. Think abt that one again for more than 5 seconds.
My point was that the winners determine the narative and write the history.
Lucky for use the good guys won WWII and US civil war.
What US writes/teaches about this period of US history will be determined by what happens next
This isn't true, and trust me the losers can be very fucking bitter about it.
The south lost the war.
A matter of fact.
That doesn't make him a good person.
As for the rest of the CSA generals, absolutely.
The best known for being foreign-born was the Irish Patrick Cleburne. I checked and he was a naturalized citizen by 1860 -> traitor.
I don't know if this applies to any of them. Lower ranks, definitely.
And their soldiers. And their supporters.
If you raise arms against your country, or if you support an insurrection against your country, you are a traitor.
There's no difference.
My g-g-grandfather was lucky to survive that place (he got shunted to another POW prison as the Union Army advanced).
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/24914
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most gQpers shamelessly make heinous excuses for their ancestors
Gent at the register rolled up his sleeve and showed his tattoo He said no Americans pay. He then gave us a guided tour.
They even said it, one example was Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens in his Cornerstone Speech.
Either way, having statues for them on American soil is indefensible.
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The number of times white men get away with their bullshit because other white people are uncomfortable with the idea of punishing them is ridiculous
Am I missing something there?
but here democracy has become a slave of commerce again
I only know that because his biography was in my elementary school in Idaho. I wrote multiple reports.