The problem now is we all live in media echo chambers. Do you think any conservative will ever hear from Newsom if all he does is skeet here and show up for CNN town halls?
I really don't like the idea of Newsom sane washing Bannon. But, if he challenges him and convinces some, then this could be something. Dems don't engage or challenge the right enough - we wont even go on Fox News. Instead, we let them spew without challenging any of it.
Nope, he instead agreed with Kirk as Kirk went on a transphobic tirade, and continued being transphobic with his next guest Michael Savage (Guy fired from MSNBC for asking a caller if he was a "Sodomite" and telling him to go die of AIDS when he said yes, among many other horrific things he's done)
I mean, I'd be OK with these types of guests (though Bannon is getting offensively scummy) if it's a no-holds barred debate of real direct challenges, like a Jon Stewart interview, and not some "both sides" kumbaya looking to please right wingers.
Yes. If Stewart had someone like Musk on his show (the invite was extended), Jon would roll him. He'd be a gracious host, sure, but it wouldn't be like having a couple beers between pals. Musk would be no match.
So no he should not be platforming Bannon but if you can’t see the play here then you’re being willfully obtuse. He’s not switching parties because he’s been staunchly Dem on HUGE issues.
He’s softly entering the Republican-man-o-sphere for 2028 so people can say “I heard him, he’s not that bad”
MAGA is a literal cult. If you give a higher-up in a cult a platform, without taking steps to mitigate their efforts to spread fear and confusion and recruit more people/speak to their people, you are helping the cult.
Why would he do that? He can be as openly fascistic as he wants, as long as he still runs as a Democrat, he'll still win thanks to "vote blue no matter who" voters
I hate Steve Bannon but plan to listen to the podcast to try to understand why people voted for Trump. Or how they whitewash his nonsense. I have never listened to the right podcasts or shows ever.
My fav lib vs conservative interview was when John Stewart took down Tucker Carlson.
I guess it’s better that we found out now. I’ve always said he has a knack for tone deafness but this tells me it’s more than that. I’m so done with him.
I actually don't mind this IF Bannon's audience is included. I wish more dems would engage with these guys so they can get in front of their audiences who may hear the truth about something guy the very first time. These guys think dems drink baby blood. Time to refute and push back on this madness.
Its literally "cool you agree with us...now get out."
Something about the fires unraveled the guy. And i say this as a southern Californian it broke our governor bad. Like he was Harvey Dent but now he's like broken Dark Knight movie Harvey like bitter and about to die of an infection
Its giving "i have your children in a basement gavin" energy but also the man was a republican so I don't know anymore I mean. I am at a total loss and apparently he thinks Bill Maher is great so that's a major strike for me.
Its disappointing and strange because he spent a lot of time during the fires calling out trump and elon's misinformation and now he's platforming bannon.
Its such a 360 I have to wonder if somethings happening that's how weird it is. He was never gonna be president but holy *shit* like
That's just it, Bannon's audience isn't included. They don't care. Watch Gavin's X mentions. It takes a Bernie or a Jon Stewart. These guys heard him talk to kirk and still think he should resign.
If Bannon's audience (And Charlie Kirk's audience the other week) isn't included then it's pointless. If they aren't included then I'd rather Newsome and other dems spend more time talking to left leaning radio and TV outlets. Talking to people instead of running to Sunday shows.
Next episode is Elon Musk's mom so we can all discuss the dangers of bullying that middle aged men in America face. Sponsored by Space X, don't you want the thrill of not knowing if you'll explode on takeoff? (spoiler, your ashes will probably delay some flight out of Orlando).
I’m sure I will get a lot of hateful comments back for saying this, but if Gavin Newson went on Steve Bannon‘s podcast, would this be the same reaction? Everybody is criticizing Democrats for staying in the safe place. Maybe we should all wait to hear The interview before comments are made.🤷🏻♀️
Seems like the governor of a state should be platforming good people in that state or problems facing that state.
Tough to say which would be worse: him going on a nazi's podcast or having a nazi on his. Neither is a good look, at all, nor serves the people of California.
It'd have a different reaction because they're different situations: elected officials have a responsibility to engage with the public, which includes going into hostile spaces. They do not have a responsibility to take a side job or promote the personal brands of media personalities.
It could be an argument if we were talking about some milquetoast Republican but this is Steve Bannon. Nobody should be extending a hand or taking his.
This seems more like possibly testing the waters to swing right hard, I can't see another legitimate reason. It doesn't matter that he's hosting him instead of going on his crap, it still shows that dems in "leadership" positions still don't get trying to appeal to the right was a utter failure.
if we're going this way, it is 100% mandatory to tell the sieg heiling nazi to kill themself and otherwise piss them off and invalidate them enough they whine about it on twitter for the next few months or years
That’s a good thought experiment. I do think the question is always, are you talking to their audience or are they talking to yours? (And what are you telling yours about how to understand the scale of threat?) I’d guess Newsom’s podcast is more his own audience, but I do think it’s a good question
Back in my days in the student antiwar movement, we were occasionally invited onto right-wing talk shows. A group I was in settled on a rule that we’d do it live but not prerecorded; they couldn’t edit us
But we’d’ve only brought them to anything we ran if their audience were MUCH bigger than ours
Gavin is exceptionally strong on detail and a fine debater - so maybe he'll duff Bannon up a treat? (Verbally, that is, though physically would be... newsworthy!)
honey, none of the nazi fanboys are going to listen to Gavin Newsom's podcast. I guarantee it. The whole idea is to get the left wing cozier to the fascist side.
I think this is the most charitable explanation, but Bannon does hours of podcasting everyday -- do his fans need to follow him around to other shows, and are they actually persuadable?
A less charitable explanation is that all these right wing edgelords are good for clicks and listens.
What kind of message does Newsom have for a group of literal Nazis…? Is that really who we need to be convincing right now — and if so, of what?? Based on his Charlie Kirk interview, he mostly seems to be nodding along, not, like, debunking naziism.
My understanding is that the point is to get people that would otherwise not listen to his podcast to hear things from a Democrat that they never would without this person on the podcast.
Right, because someone who regularly listens to people cheering on an attempted coup and the pardonings from Trump would suddenly be swayed by a corrupt neoliberal Democrat, since that’s worked so well over the past three decades 😂
Yes. With the possible caveat that it might be *slightly* better the other way around, if only because in that scenario the fascist is only reaching their own audience on a platform they already had.
With Gavin inviting Bannon, he's giving him his for absolutely no reason.
When you interact with these people, you legitimize them, you normalize them, you give the hate space to grow. There is no common ground to be found. There is no understanding to be learned. They are not interested in hearing the opposite of what they believe.
That’s a fair point and to be honest I’ve never listened to his podcast before because I don’t give a shit about Gavin Newsom. He’s never gonna get elected president . I just thought maybe there was a different perspective to look at, but this is becoming a Twitter kind of conversation so peace out.
okay the fact you understand the consequences of your action but not why you're getting that consequence means that explaining how fascism is bad and should be fought at all fronts is wasted on you
The first two interviews were laundering right wing propaganda but with that signature, sleezy, smug smile.
What's the expression after "fool me thrice?"
I would in fact have the same response if the sitting governor of California was going on Steve Bannon's podcast. No one is criticizing Democrats for not becoming BFFs with Nazis.
8 years of this magical thinking & there are still people who think "if I just listen to them lie, I might find that one nugget that we both can agree is a rock and civilization will have been advanced." Shake my effin head.
You are advocating the normalization of people who want to bring my country to its economic knees until we beg to taken over as your 51st state. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.
I understand how it feels like an unpopular opinion. I'm waiting until after the interview to make judgment. I was always proud of Pete Buttigieg after his interviews on Fox. I admired his ability to articulate the inaccuracies the news hosts were throwing at him. I hope to see this from Newsom.
He hasn’t discussed it with me so I guess I don’t know. this sounds crazy but maybe some people aren’t familiar with how extreme Bannon is and This could help wake people up. just voicing my opinion I’m gonna save my outrage for after I hear what happens.
He cosigned part of the last dipshit extremist he had on's agenda. He got walked like a fucking dog. This COULD have been useful if Newsome had the guts to go for the throat and force these people admit their rancid project or look like cowering fools. There's a way to do this it isn't Gavin's way.
Not every viewpoint should be entertained and validated. Having the governor of CA interview traitors like Bannon and Kirk is not being open to new ideas. It's normalizing hatred and anti-American zealots.
It's not like we don't know what opinions these degenerates have. What's the purpose of this?
Kirk vid was informative and he humiliated newsom. My best faith answer is that newsom is tryin to learn how to create what the right did.. but if he cant find a 1 single democrat that can explain it, then democrats are completely lost. Ill even do it for free since Im in this culture.
(They'll still think he's a lib commie pinko wacko). No amount of bashing trans people will make repubs think he's good, it just throws trans people under the bus
So I'm like ok is he pretending to go for "balance", like someone liberal, someone right, alternating? But last one was Micheal Savage, who I initially thought was Dan Savage. But it's not.
Is this the moment where the Democrat who makes enough money transitions into a Republican to try increase his millions via fraudsters.
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You know, Gavin... If you're trying to paint yourself as a prospective "Meet In The Middle" candidate in 2028, it helps to associate yourself with guest that are... I don't know... ACTUALLY IN THE GODDAMN MIDDLE
Serious answer: Hold power in California & set himself up for a presidential run.
It might accomplish the first but the second is doomed for any one of several reasons.
This is his second term, so he would be termed out anyway. It looks like he's decided that this is the path to run for President, and I would fire whoever advised him to do so (coz that ain't happening now)
Exactly. Why is he platforming anyone other than Californians or people doing work with or for California? This in no way addresses any problems that CA needs to solve, nor highlights people doing great work in CA.
No it’s not that.
We can keep our morals and hold strong to our values and have something to offer the ALL Americans.
We can do both things but we need to work on our messaging.
Many Bernie voters ended up voting for Trump.
Americans from all over have many shared concerns.
Lean on those.
They're just Nazis at this point. It's a very clear line - you either denounce Nazis and treat them like the cancer to society they are or you're a Nazi. Gavin is a Nazi. Fuck him.
Anything that keeps the next Trump out of power is currently a get. If the left is going to finally start seriously participating in US politics this certainly seems like an opportunity. Otherwise Gavin Newsome is a clearly preferable Presidential candidate to Trump IMO.
He said it was to offer an alternate podcast for his kids to Joe Rogan.
So, probably, these are people his kids like to listen to.
It’s better for parents to be able to interact with things their kids like.
If that's the case, I can't see why he'd host the likes of Charlie Kirk or Steve Bannon, the most toxic figures out there today. Just mind-boggling to me.
So when my kids try to run out into a busy street I’m not going to yell after them to run faster. This is a bullshit take on parenting. He’s using that excuse as a cover to promote his own political self interests.
She 1) decided she could run for the senate and thus put her house seat at risk (D didn’t loose it but that was more down to luck rather than anything else) and 2) she’s now decided she will run for governor.
The truth is - she’s pissed off at lot of CA voters with her apparent misplaced ambition.
She pissed off Dems by trying to not have the Senate be red and now she's pissing them off by trying to get rid of a poseur? Sounds like they're the problem
This protectionism of Feinstein was ridiculous. She was near catatonic at the end when we needed her vote. She became an embarrassment to herself. We could have had a woman 13-14 years younger than Schiff with more liberal views on corporations and confirmations. What a waste.
Have you listed to all of the Newsom Podcasts so far?
I have.
The Kirk one was hard to listen to but I could see what Newsom was doing.
The intel he got has value regardless of what you think about Kirk.
I cringed but listen to the whole thing and I’m glad I did.
The one yesterday was good.
This does not mean I agree with these guys but we need to bring more people into the party.
Any politician on the left should listen to these podcasts.
If we are the party for ALL Americans we need to know what their concerns are as well.
Believe it or not we have a lot of common concerns.
Why not? She seems as opportunistic as he is. I didn’t use to think so, I thought she was great, but either she isn’t the person I thought she was or she is getting appalling advice,
If you are saying that Porter believing that she would make a good senator/governor and acting on that belief by running is somehow comparable to Newsom hanging out with a nazi for 3 hours and putting it on Spotify then I'm afraid you may not be grasping the situation we're in right now as a country
Don’t get me wrong, I think she would make a good governor. She’d be better than that quisling.
But, she isn’t the right person at the right time, and she wasn’t the right person at the right time for the senate seat. Which means she’s not as bright as I believe she is or she is getting bad advice.
We unfortunately can't stop scumbags from having a platform. We did a piss poor job of countering their messages and impact. Gavin will do the same old things. Dems think that intellectual supremacy is effective... it is not. But he'll go in that direction or just not challenge them at all.
I'm not so sure about that. Andrew is very influential with boys and young men. That kind of damage will be felt for generations. They're both very dangerous to platform, I'm in no way denying that fact. #OppositionCoalition #Patriot
Apples to oranges. Bannon is the modern version of a Karl Rove. Smart and calculating and knows what to do for the right-wing takeover (which Karl Rove very successfully started). Tates are just evil morally-deficit trafficking demons who should be shot after a short trial.
Yep, everybody who interviews Steve Bannon should be asked about that question and ask him is he cool with doing it to his side when the Dems win because fair is fair?
Not lost to me! 😂 He clearly wants to be president—probably aiming to be another Biden. He seems to believe that being a straight white man will work in his favor, unlike Kamala.
He’s likely betting that after a Trump presidency, disappointed Trump voters will rally behind him because he’s a white man like them and they feel validated by what he’s saying on his podcast. His Presidency will lead to President Trump 2.0 guaranteed.
Newsom is not an intelligent man. There is no master plan on his part, at least not one that makes any sense. The Democratic party has been an excellent place to fail upwards in the last decade, and because of that we have an excess of legitimately stupid people that have risen to the top ranks.
This platforming would be problematic enough if he were just a major voice in the party, but the fact that he’s currently serving as the elected governor of California makes it unconscionable and likely downright scary for many of his constituents.
because they think that the Right is some untapped source of power that if they can just sink the right kind of messaging that they like in that they'll win their vote.
Unfortunately, the messaging they like is literal nazi shit.
Newsom is either seriously mentally unwell or hellbent on destroying his future in the Democratic Party. Either way, he's losing credibility by the minute.
His debate w/ DeSantis created a lot of good will so I think he's combining that with the belief among neo-liberals that the Harris camp did too much to appease leftists (false) and thinks this crossing the aisle junk will benefit him but it only proves he's just another delusional wealthy person.
I'm a liberal, but I'm also Canadian, so take my view on US politics with a grain of salt. We live in divisive times. Has Bannon done plenty of terrible things? Yep. But if Liberal and Conservative politicians can no longer cross the line to try and understand each other, then we're all screwed.
What is it you want to understand? Why he's nazi? Does it matter? He's a nazi and talking to him gives him and his ilk more oxygen and more credence. You cannot reason with someone like him and you won't change him.
I'm not looking to change him, but in understanding him we can learn how to avoid it in others. We thought we conquered these beliefs after WW2 and yet here we are. Why? How is it happening again? History will repeat itself unless we do what we can to learn from it as it's happens and evolves.
Who thought that we conquered Nazi/fascist beliefs after WWII? Where do you think all those people suddenly vanished to? Do you think racism disappeared as well after slavery was abolished or equal opportunity laws were introduced?
No, of course not. Obviously these problems are still rampant.
Anyway, all I'm saying is if we can try and understand why, which means getting to know the people behind these beliefs, maybe we'll get a bit better at avoiding it and mitigating it in the future.
Oh, shut up with this "thank you for being civil" nonsense. You aren't owed civility. You're simply lucky I didn't dress you down like everyone else is going to do, because you deserve it.
When you start normalizing racism and you don’t even have a clue how bad racism is in America ask the British during the nazi regime how having a dialogue with Hitler worked out
I agree, but I think it's a tricky grey zone. Let's say Bannon is the enemy, and given what he believes that makes sense. If we don't understand him, and WHY he believes what he believes, how can we ever defeat it and learn how to avoid it or interrupt it from developing in the future?
There's no mystery about Bannon though. He's made plenty of content explaining himself.
Given how the Charlie Kirk one went, I have no confidence that Newsom is capable of giving effective pushback or probing what makes Bannon tick in any new way.
Thanks for explaining. That makes a lot of sense to me and I can agree with the concern that having him on such a platform will elevate his destructive, fascist position and opinions.
I'm not against liberals and conservatives having conversations. It might even be vital. But last I checked, Bannon was a proud hater of liberalism. What you need to understand is that these fashy types take a special kind of glee weaponizing liberal ideas to destroy liberalism.
I think history has conclusively proven both what happens when you platform Nazis and how far craven bootlicking and pleas for unity get their victims.
🤮 there are really 2 schools of thought. One where we can appeal to and woo republicans and one where we tell them to f@_k off and be as progressive as we want to be. Newsom has chosen his path.
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aren’t we criticizing people who platform nazis?
1) Money is wasted on the rich.
2) Money doesn’t buy class.
Now I get the whole #KimberlyGhoulfoyle thing.
He’s softly entering the Republican-man-o-sphere for 2028 so people can say “I heard him, he’s not that bad”
Fucking idiot
My fav lib vs conservative interview was when John Stewart took down Tucker Carlson.
Signed,
Every Democrat in your state
Nice one America. You really do have all the bases covered when it comes to self immolation.
Also, check #TheTimeline for California’s Nazi ties (from Nazi 1.0… before current Nazi 2.0). 😣
Something about the fires unraveled the guy. And i say this as a southern Californian it broke our governor bad. Like he was Harvey Dent but now he's like broken Dark Knight movie Harvey like bitter and about to die of an infection
Its such a 360 I have to wonder if somethings happening that's how weird it is. He was never gonna be president but holy *shit* like
he’s a fucking loser and always has been. the guy married kim guilfoyle after all.
Tough to say which would be worse: him going on a nazi's podcast or having a nazi on his. Neither is a good look, at all, nor serves the people of California.
But we’d’ve only brought them to anything we ran if their audience were MUCH bigger than ours
Fuck that. Burn it down.
A less charitable explanation is that all these right wing edgelords are good for clicks and listens.
With Gavin inviting Bannon, he's giving him his for absolutely no reason.
we should not wait. capitulation is an alliance.
Democrats suck. This is known. But not for the reasons that literal nazi salute-throwing fucks like Bannon have any views worth hearing.
What's the expression after "fool me thrice?"
8 years of this magical thinking & there are still people who think "if I just listen to them lie, I might find that one nugget that we both can agree is a rock and civilization will have been advanced." Shake my effin head.
This is why Canadians can's trust you guys.
It's not like we don't know what opinions these degenerates have. What's the purpose of this?
It's giving him a platform in front of their followers to show them that he's not the wacko that he's being painted.
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It might accomplish the first but the second is doomed for any one of several reasons.
Bannon is an identity purist seeking to burn the world down to remake it in his own image.
Platforming Bannon is a whole different level of fuckery.
Not the first Republican in a Democrat suit.
- maya angelou
-michael scott
We can keep our morals and hold strong to our values and have something to offer the ALL Americans.
We can do both things but we need to work on our messaging.
Many Bernie voters ended up voting for Trump.
Americans from all over have many shared concerns.
Lean on those.
Fuck that guy and fuck anyone who'd even think of supporting him at this point.
So, probably, these are people his kids like to listen to.
It’s better for parents to be able to interact with things their kids like.
😞
Michael Savage.
He's purposefully bringing on right wingers for reasons that I don't want to dignify with my speculations.
or he’s gonna run on the republican ticket. really so very hard to know lol
I know I have nothing in common with them nor do I want to interact with them at this time as I’m still way to pissed off.
The truth is - she’s pissed off at lot of CA voters with her apparent misplaced ambition.
Disclaimer: not endorsing her
this is how we ended up with losers like Schiff
I have.
The Kirk one was hard to listen to but I could see what Newsom was doing.
The intel he got has value regardless of what you think about Kirk.
I cringed but listen to the whole thing and I’m glad I did.
The one yesterday was good.
Any politician on the left should listen to these podcasts.
If we are the party for ALL Americans we need to know what their concerns are as well.
Believe it or not we have a lot of common concerns.
But, she isn’t the right person at the right time, and she wasn’t the right person at the right time for the senate seat. Which means she’s not as bright as I believe she is or she is getting bad advice.
That tells you how bad I suspect Bannon is. Bannon's been travelling the world promoting fascism.
I may be underestimating Tate's influence but he seems like a *comparatively* minor threat.
and this is enabling fascism
https://bsky.app/profile/yasharali.bsky.social/post/3lk5fmxiteb2c
I’d put the heads on pikes, right, I’d put them at the two corners of the White House as a warning to federal bureaucrats,” Steve Bannon said.
“You either get with the program or you’re gone.”
https://youtu.be/sNpfb_B0vxY?si=XSEQ_STI1bmlFQ2a
I feel I've been hoodwinked by @gavinnewsom.bsky.social.
I thought he was better than this.
Disqualifying
Unfortunately after his performance with that other extreme right-wing squirrel whose bigoted bile he agreed with, we know the answer.
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/gavin-newsom-podcast-charlie-kirk-humiliating-20207067.php
Unfortunately, the messaging they like is literal nazi shit.
Nick fvcking Fuentes!? Alex psycho Jones?FVCK!🤯😠
Is he going to try to run for President as a MAGA Republican?
No other excuse.
But I get it...jokes!
Anyway, all I'm saying is if we can try and understand why, which means getting to know the people behind these beliefs, maybe we'll get a bit better at avoiding it and mitigating it in the future.
Given how the Charlie Kirk one went, I have no confidence that Newsom is capable of giving effective pushback or probing what makes Bannon tick in any new way.
It's possible he'll be more hostile, guess I'll hear about how it went later.
He is not an elected politician. He's a fascist private citizen grifter and nobody owes him a stage.
He's so politically dead at this point.
Jesus Christ