inject this shit directly into my veins
star wars is a ridiculous universe with space wizards and laser swords and apparently all I ever wanted was someone to take it completely seriously as a "how does this work in practice" study of fascism the way Andor does
star wars is a ridiculous universe with space wizards and laser swords and apparently all I ever wanted was someone to take it completely seriously as a "how does this work in practice" study of fascism the way Andor does
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Andrew Gelston
Disney wrote Andor season 2 like, specifically for me!
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Andor brought that back - the imperial forces, though riven with rivalry and careerism - *are* formidable opponents
next x films plus The Mandalorian:
To see something we all kinda goofed on in the prequels so emaciated and hollowed out just hit different man
Well, that and fighting off mutant Bantha Breakfast Biscuits...
now I have to watch it I guess
Honestly this is the kind of project Rian Johnson should have had, not the middle film of a trilogy he wasn't in charge of.
But by all that is holy was it a TERRIBLE 2nd movie of a trilogy. Didn’t pick up from where 1 left off and didn’t offer room for 3 to be anything
At the beginning of 8, the republic had one carrier group left in its whole military. They were hunted down and destroyed to the last man off screen
What we saw in 8 is what would have happened if the Empire could have tracked the forces in and around Yavin after Luke blew the DS.
They did lose the vast majority of their governing body but few military assets.
I can't wait until my 5 YO daughter is old enough because it's going to go from "Dad, this is SO BORING, can we watch somethin else?" to "Wait... What? AN EVIL TELEKINETIC SPACE WIZARD WITH A LASER SWORD!?"
The OT literally has an iconic board room meeting, and Vader gets chewed out at the start by an officer about how "the senate won't stand for this".
- **CHILD CARE**
- elder care
- all aspects of health care
- adequate, ongoing work on infrastructure maintenance
- ditto environmental services
then I am on Team Mel & think that is a reasonable estimate
I mean sure, I love a good pew pew like everyone else, but I'm now at a point where COURT DRAMA is highly entertaining to me, so fuck yeah, boardroom meetings and bureacracy.
"... Apparently there isn't even one scene set at a long table in which interstellar diplomacy is debated in endless detail"
https://youtu.be/02LgdXVkXgM?si=wzupgU1K1cH_jcry
It was WW2 in space, with enough differences from our world to make that palatable but enough similarities to make it familiar and inspiring
They got too caught up in the glowsticks
And that the Empire was the USA.
As you say, things like the red and green lasers and the death star trench run were specific ww2 dogfighting references, but otherwise its generic.
or it could be a spiritual successor to the wachowski's speed racer movie
Sheeesh
Andor is reminding me why I loved that sandbox so much to begin with
They were good stories until Abrams or whoever decided it actually needed to be a poorly done love story for absolutely no reason.
TLJ was such a breath of fresh air. Then RoS just dumped all over it.
"Hey, let's modernize this story and move on from this notion of bloodlines -nope just kidding, you're actually a Palpatine!"
And I applaud their chosing to NOT have him fight with a laser sword but in a very clever way that's totally in character, IMHO.
I feel like the problem is it's supposed to be setup for the next movie.
And they just retconned all of it.
I hate that movie so much
Prequels - Andor Saga (S1, S2, Rogue One) - OT
I think its downfall was it got extremely popular and the suits took notice and had "ideas".
I noped out when they jammed in Luke Fucking Goddamn Skywalker, Are You Kidding Me, Jesus Christ Aaagggggh
Ep 8 did a fine job of setting the table for an Ep 9 with Kylo Ren as the Actual Bad Guy, stomping around full of self-pity and rage. It could have really worked!
We were not. Who thought this was a question that needed an answer?
Abrams of course misunderstood that people gave a shit about the answer.
Disney looked at him and thought, "yeah, he's the guy"
In RoTJ... The regular people had things to do and a battle to win. Luke removed himself from the battle and while he won his personal fight and cast down the Emperor, ...
In the Rise? The non-SkyPalp people were there just to provide a cinematic backdrop.
But the rise of Skywalker just added such an awful taste that for the most part I don't want to see what Disney does next.
then "no, it actually can't, fuck you, somehow palpatine returned, blood is destiny"
Watch the Clone Wars, it starts out ok and just gets better and heavier as it goes.
But no, purple hair lady was mean to new Han Solo, so now Palpatine is back, somehow.
Then JJ Abrahams shit directly in my face.
likewise there are no prequel movies, they're an urban legend, never happened :)
The low points of Legends were as rancid as being trapped in a sewer with J.D Vance. But those stories never killed my interest in the franchise as stone cold dead as Rise of Skywalker did.
If it weren't for those two I'm convinced we'd be writing fucking obituaries for the Star Wars franchise.
This says unpleasant things about Kylo and Snoke.
The writing wasn't close to Andor at the most basic level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HO70-Rk3jE
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(there are DOZENS of us!)
New hope, empire, TLJ, RotJ, Rogue One, Phantom Menace?
(DOZENS!!)
Specifically, the fact that there was a habitable planet should have been known to everyone with sensors, and not knowing this is key to the main plot beats.
Andor has an argument as the best Star Wars has ever been, but it and early Mando and maybe Rogue One are about the only really worthwhile stuff to come out of the Disney era
S1 is a neat story about a guy who just wants to be left alone becoming a single dad.
S2&3... once Filoni starts going all "remember how cool MY characters are?!" the plot is lost.
RoS does not support that line.
...W...
What a savings.
Gentle reader, it was that bad.
The new trilogy was a travesty.
Andor is like #3 in my ranking behind ANH and ESB and haven’t even started season 2 yet.
(Am I actually defending Darksaber? I honestly have no idea. But it is, as you say, not RoS.)
The sequel tril not only insisted that you accept it as the only canon at the time, but Disney continues to inject it into other, more successful SW properties even after everyone else acknowledges its failure
The damage that trilogy did to my enjoyment of Star Wars is dwarfed by Rise of Skywalker.
Then someone realized, "What, didn't Timothy Zahn do this in the Thrawn Trilogy?" And then they spent the rest of the trilogy writing Callista out of the series.
Maybe someday I will love star wars again. I think andor is great, and I'm excited for season 2, but...
I have to like it as an adult.
Then one day a friend told me to watch The Clone Wars, and stick out the weird first season, and it brought me back to an adult appreciation of it.
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that the Hutt tried to build a superweapon on the cheap and the resulting poor work caused it to blow up.
Things just went downhill from there.
you don't even have to like Star Wars anymore, I get it, but it's just damn good television regardless of setting
No Jedi.
Only The Crystal Star came close.
honestly I think the Sun Crusher might have been the stupidest but at least that one ostensibly worked
I loved when they made things weaker, rather than stronger. Like the rotating ring of turbolaser cannons on the Hapan Battle Dragons for heat dispersion
And the other plotline is Admiral Daala, so I just want to say Micah is underselling how dumb a book it is. But also easy to kick under the bed (and if a later writer used Gen. Madine, I don't think I would have blinked)
please make more good Star Wars, for me
#R2-D2
#C3-PO
#HanSolo
#LukeSkywalker
#Chewbacca
#PrincessLeia
Then I played The Clone Wars, Rogue Squadron, and Republic Commando. It was all over for me, I was hooked man.
the original trilogy felt like there was this big messy universe out there just waiting to be explored and the sequels are the opposite of that
Oh, the force isn’t about eugenics? Weapons manufacturers don’t care who they sell to? You can win without doing a laser sword fight? We don’t need chrome stormtroopers?
Weird. It’s like it wanted to be…complex or shit.
Sometimes you don't need an explanation for things. Sometimes they can just be.
the structure was there to do something interesting, and eventually someone did (the Clone Wars series)
1.) Setting the new trilogy within the OT characters' lifetimes
2.) Echoing OT plot points/dynamics
I think they could've done either of those successfully. But both together were necessarily disastrous.
Force witches! One of the coolest ideas ever! A group of wild force users untethered to the codified Jedi Order and with unique powers because of it
And to some extent, I include Lucas in this - we didn't need to see young Greedo in the prequels.
my personal deepest wish is for some sort of REDLINE-inspired serial about podracing
yes just give me weirdos white-knuckling junkpiles at the speed of sound on bizarre worlds on a weekly basis, please
I feel like that's what TLJ was going for with Canto Bight, but that subplot takes forever and just resolves in a dead end anyway.
The prequels had none of that energy whatsoever.
People need to stop pretending TROS murdered their fucking goldfish or something.
That was Shadows of the Empire.
It's just incredible stuff.
You can't do Jedi vs Sith in the Empire era because those stories have been told. The major players in the Empire have just about every day accounted for. They need a new era.
Where would the new Jedi opponents come from unless Jedi's splinter.
Darth Vader can't be the big bad forever.
Now, A New Hope.
Other times, The Empire Strikes Back
Thank you for contributing to my curiosity.
Like, what was Naboo even trading to the Federation in the first place?