If you’re a Michael Hobbes, you never experienced “intense social pressure” to change language because you were the one changing language. You did it eagerly. Zero pressure required.
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Honest to fuck, looking at everything that's happening right now, how can you still be bellyaching about getting "canceled" for saying, what, "master bedroom?" Are you serious?
Honestly, this comes down to basic manners. Don't be an asshole. It's that easy. Language is constantly changing. You don't have to personally adopt it, but you can't stop it.
You also never experienced intense social pressure!
You probably got corrected on some people’s pronouns, but society doesn’t actually have a consequence for misgendering beyond “some people will think you’re an Asshole”
I work at a quasi governmental agency that is progressive the likes of which you have never seen. At no point has there been "intense pressure" of any kind in any of these areas you are whinging about.
This is exactly what you anti-woke culture warriors want to do, use intense social pressure (and now abusive government action) to stop people from using language the way they want.
The perpetrators of oppression will invariably feel the tables have turned when equality has been achieved.
Your argument is weak and driven by hyperbolic anecdotal fantasy and an inability to recognise that language evolves to accommodate its users, not the other way around.
Amazing how the intense social pressure for inconsequential word changes upended everything. If only we could harness some of this miracle intense social pressure to get anything of consequence done. Imagine the inconvenience if intense social pressure resulted in fewer rapes or an end to genocide.
He says, specifically, in the very tweet you’re commenting on, that he didn’t do any of that shit and nobody asked him to, and he works in the wokest sectors your brain could conjure. You are simply scared of shadows cast by your own blinding ignorance. Pick up a foot ball.
lmao did you actually just say this about an openly gay man? Who has spent the bulk of his lifetime living not only as a second-class citizen with fewer legal rights, but under the threat of extrajudicial violence as well?
michael hobbes was the one changing language? did he steal words in the middle of the night, grinch-style? also, the fact that he didn't experience social pressure because of his mindset implies it was was more of a mindset thing. have you tried not being a little bitch?
But for the “ordinary people with normal jobs” camp, the language absolutely changed and you had no say in it. You can check Zillow and Redfin right now- they do not have “master bedroom” anymore. Every homeowner had to update their language.
I work in software. It is not acceptable to have “master” branches anymore, despite source control having zero connection to the slave trade. Again, the language changed.
It’s like someone yanked the tablecloth from under your dishes and then mocked you for wondering why the tablecloth had to be removed.
If you’re Hobbes, you wanted the tablecloths gone and now they are. Zero friction. It’s an easy dunk in a space like Bluesky where no one has a different viewpoint.
This guy is really going to a lot of trouble to explain how important the word "Master" is to him. Wonder why? LOL
Imagine these snowflake crybabies having to live as Brown/Black people and simply for our genetics having to prove that you are an American at every turn? Grow a pair Mike.
Except that the people who made those decisions are the CEO’s and operators of those businesses people worked at. No one forced them to do anything. They thought this was a quick fix so they can’t be sued. Take your beef to them.
Um, really? It’s more like someone said, I’d prefer if you used the cream napkins rather than the white ones. Calling it yanking the tablecloth is hyperbole. Maybe get a sense of proportion?
Damn i didnt know the "master" terminology could be anyone's metaphorical tablecloth. I don't personally find such infinitesimal changes in how we refer to things to be such an intense upheaval. You seem to be built very differently, in a way that's a bit worm-like and pitiful
You sound like someone who has never been forced by the hegemony of workplace expectations to use the word "main" to refer to the original, principle, or reference thing among several related but somewhat hierarchical things.
fair point but maybe the "hegemony of workplace expectations", where the workers can't democratically decide on things like terminology, is the source of the issue. as opposed to what the author of this thread seems to be implying, which from what i can tell is Wokeness™️
They are literally black bagging legal residents off the street for their speech, but you wanna bitch about your made up repression of using "master." Did they ship you to El Salvador or just tell you, hey maybe use this less charged phrasing.
For Pete’s sake, we’ve all had to adjust to some new terminology and sometimes it’s awkward or we make a mistake but only the right are choosing to endlessly whine & seek retribution over it.
Seriously? Having to type "git pull main" caused you that much trauma? I don't mock you for wondering, but I do mock you for acting victimized over a trivial change in terminology.
Plenty of repos still have “master” branches, if your company decided to change their standards, that’s your company. I use “trunk” on mine because it makes more sense to me to have a trunk with branches than a master with branches. But I’m not getting bent out of shape if yours is “master”.
I’ve only ever heard folks on the right making a big deal out of this. Not one of my leftist friends or peers has ever commented, and half still use “master” because it’s what they’ve used. None of us give a shit. We have better things to do than participate in bullshit culture wars.
Especially when the point of those bullshit culture wars is to divide the working class while the oligarchs rob the country blind. But by all means, focus on your silly little naming convention obsession. Just take your nose with you. 🔴
This hypothetical daffodil was just itching for a reason to become a fascist, so there’s not much you could do to placate them even if you didn’t politely ask them not to use “Master Bedroom” in official material.
Getting a pointer for prevailing style norms isn't yanking out a tablecloth. No one in the entire world is exempt from learning something about language use and cultural style norms. Every single one of us has received guidance to capitalize this, add a comma to that, or change a term over there.
yeah language changes, like it has through all of history
MAIN makes significantly more sense in context than MASTER for branches in a code repo, and in most other uses of the word. So we, THE WHOLE INDUSTRY, shifted to language that makes more sense
yanked the tablecloth?? in what way were you effected at all by any of these language changes. none!
if you kept saying master bedroom, at MOST, someone might say “hey i don’t like that term, can you use main?” and if that hurt you….. i suggest therapy lol
I still see repos with master branches all the time so the idea you're not "allowed"--most people don't care that much but are willing to make the shift because why go to the mat for "master"? Lol
That’s a bit hostile for an opening reply and it’s tempting to reply to it defensively. I don’t object to renaming repos to main. My point was to illustrate that language changed. Your reply reveals a point I didn’t make, which is that discussing this change invites aggressive pushback.
Well a bunch of people have shown you how your claim that nobody can say master bedroom anymore is total bullshit and you haven’t changed your views. At least you respond to the hostile replies.
So stop being a bozo. You’re completely wrong here
It's not aggressive pushback on the change, it's aggressive pushback on your claim that there is aggressive pushback on the change. If a branch is named master, the impetus to change it to main is present but small.
Language constantly changes. That’s why a bastard is now just some dude you don’t like, or a SOB is some dude you don’t like, instead of being someone who doesn’t know his father, or someone whose mother is apparently a canine. The word ‘email’ didn’t exist till my lifetime, and I’m only 45.
Here's the thing, not knowing something has changed and still using old terminology isn't a bad thing. It's refusing to change that makes you a bad person.
Did you throw as big of a fit when they decided Pluto was no longer a planet? Are you yelling at the kids who decided the term baddie actually means something good?
hey, so this is how societies establish what is and is not socially acceptable. This is different than law. People you work with established that they find that language distasteful. You can hear them out or you can disagree. Some people might not like your point of view. Welcome to adulthood.
Your thread was really dumb man. I do hope more of you dummies come over here because it's not the friction of Twitter I miss it's the very easy dunk targets.
Well, I work in software too, and I also think you sound very whiny.
My company still has a "master" branch, though we are currently having conversations about replacing "blacklist" & "whitelist" w/ "deny_list" & "allow_list". No forcing.
Language has been changing for millennia - get used to it.
"sorry to get up my hind legs but you boys were crackin' foxy" - Humphrey Bogart, the Maltese Falcon, delivering a line considered incredibly cool and tough and clever and modern.
language changes. 'master' was a great word to get rid of.
It's not a Hobbes reference, he's directly responding to Michael Hobbes. I was confused about that too at first. I think bluesky could be a lot better at showing hidden context than it is right now.
You’re right. It’s a discussion that can’t be had on Bsky because it’s some made up culture war bullshit, and this isn’t where insecure bell-ends come to cry about their fictional grievances.
I never had a twitter. Did not know how close the two ends of the horseshoe - hard left and hard right - really are.
5 minutes ago I saw a 'progressive' utterly dismiss a journalist's opinion because he was a "white male". Wtf?
His main point, I think, is that you can't bring up anything controversial without getting dozens of bawlbabies bitching in your comments, not being constructive. Yesterday on a diff post someone mentioned Shapiro's pro-Israel stance. Someone was like 'So you think he should be burned alive?!?!' 🙄
It's weird as fuck and I cringe every time someone says it. I wish it was gone the way you're saying, and you're throwing a big dumb fit over the idea that it's gone? Why?
If someone yanked a tablecloth from under my dishes and then mocked me for asking why it was done, I’d be annoyed possibly. I wouldn’t be so angry that I simmered with enough resentment to bring down my country for it. This much anger over a language change, or pronouns, is hiding a deeper issue.
This is an implementation/HR problem. If you had a a few black realtors make a video saying “Every time I have to say this, it fucks me up a little, and I wish we could use some other language,” wouldn’t everyone have said, yeah, sure, we get it, no problem?
Its interesting that the answers actually prove some of your points.
I mean, I think a few arguments are wrong. some can easily be disproven. but instead of questioning you and interacting somewhat respectfully, theres name-calling and other stuff. Thats really not helping to bridge the divide.
I wouldn’t have occurred to me in a million years to make that correlation. The ‘master plan”, “Master Chef”, 10,000 hrs to “master” a skill…
Like seriously stop looking for reasons to offended.
This is literally the first Ive heard of this. But the difference between me and you and Mr. Temper tantrum is that when someone with more awareness than I have tells me something is offensive, I don’t freak out about it.
Stop being an asshole
I just picked a random city in Alabama on Zillow and found several houses with “master suites” or “master bedrooms”, so I’m guessing the dishes are still in the same place and so is the tablecloth.
I just looked at the top trending GitHub repos and about half of them had "master" as their top branch so I think it's safe to say the cutlery hasn't been moved and none of the drinks spilled, either.
So what's the solution, exactly? Language changes. It always changes, that's what it does. Sometimes it even changes on purpose.
And he's correct, if you read his thread, in that these specific language changes have almost always produced stronger social pressures going the other direction.
Also, a lot of extremely wealthy pundits have gotten a lot of views by complaining about the "woke mob" coming for your pronouns or whatever even though it's a problem they mostly made up and aren't impacted by anyway.
I genuinely cannot imagine the privilege required to think any of this is a real problem. If you also have called leftists (or indeed anyone), a snowflake, ever, then that's even funnier.
Cool now do the one where right-wingers insist on calling being trans “gender ideology” and call stuff they don’t like “illegal” etc etc. Got any grievances about that or are you just really really butthurt about changing “master” to “primary” for [reasons]?
Hey you made up a bunch of examples and none of them were true. Then you got mad at the examples that you made up that weren't true. Then you got mad at people telling you that up made up the examples.
This is 2nd grader behavior. Try to act like a grown adult.
Left of centre here. No problem with master bedroom. No one should be forced to put pronouns in their bio, but that said - if you don’t call someone by their chosen name you really are just an asshole.
I think you'll find there's plenty of different opinions on Bluesky. The main difference is that nonsense bullshit can't pay its way into your timeline, and if somebody cries about nothing and you don't want to hear it, you can just mute.
I’m sure the switch away from the term “master bedroom” has been super hard for you - I’ll send thoughts and prayers as you work through these troubling times in your life. Oh man, I can’t fathom the pain of simply …. Swapping a few words of vocabulary. You are so strong.
Is this some sorta new “I can’t do anything because of woke” thing? I genuinely have no clue what the hell point you are trying to make? I’ve got no clue what you are talking about.
This is probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard someone say, and I have heard a lot of stupid shit. No one has made you feel pressure to stop using the word master. Stop being an obtuse, block-headed whiny little shit weasel.
Admittedly it's pretty easy to dunk on men who perceive a change in words emotionally similar to having their toddler run over in front of them by a drunk driver.
I'm so sorry that Black men were stolen from their homes, shipped like cattle across the sea, lucky to live through the journey only to be sold as a slave into hard labor & because they had to call owners MASTER, now you have to feel a mild annoyance everyday when someone has FORCED you to change. 😢
You felt “intense social pressure” related to a vocabulary change in programming? Why is it that you find that so difficult? Is it because you disagree with the reasoning behind it?
Because people on the left are notorious for getting along with each other and not fighting about stuff. It's a giant lovefest where no one fights. Ever.
Give your balls a tug. Discussions about language absolutely happen. I have bitched about disability and language. Stop being super soft.
Genuinely what is the problem with using a phrase that is kinder to a minority group? Why shouldn’t people decide to be a little better to each other if they can? Did people try to be nicer too fast for your liking?
Exactly; when selling/listing our condo I asked why master bed isn’t used anymore, it was explained to me, and it makes sense to roll with “not being offensive to anyone” territory. Option B is just asshole territory
It's good that you're getting clowned on bsky, and the platform is better for it. I was a UC grad student last year, and my friends were mostly extremely woke lefties, and maaaaaybe once I ever heard a scold about using 'master' for the main version of something.
How do we know that's not anywhere near as serious as you just made it out to be? Because we did not see the same reaction to the changing of words/terms with...political correctness, social justice warrior, virtue signaling, identity politics, race baiter, playing the race card and feminazi.
If it were just the changing of definitions, words, terms, etc? The redefining of minority groups by the right SHOULD have also pissed off not only the right. But every last human being you have in mind. That not only did not happen. But those words/terms/definitions/etc were treated as normal.
One of the best ways to be logical. And there for moral. Is consistency. That if you say one thing is bad for one group. Then you should be able to consistently say it's bad for another. If things like pronouns being used even could cause that much disruption. Thug should have too.
What on earth are you talking about? Master bedrooms are still listed as such and never stopped. "Brown bag lunch" what? Never even had someone say to think about not saying those words ... what a ridiculous comment.
Seriously. Brown bag lunch is still used and no one says shit. Sack lunch is just ALSO used. Meanwhile, people also sometimes call sweet fizzy drinks “soda” and other times call them “pop” and there are no breathless editorials about how the language police have gone too far!
Sometimes it’s literally just a little regional dialect thing and it’s absolutely strange and bizarre to complain so hard that other people use language a bit differently than you do.
We’re mocking you for throwing a tantrum over something that is actually insignificant to your life. You’re mad because now it’s “main” branch instead of “master”? Truly, how delicate you must be
Hey buddy: trigger warning
Quit being such a gigantic baby, man up and be polite. Like maybe gracious even. It’s extremely unmanly to complain like this.
Seriously, wth did I just read. If this is what gets his knickers in a twist, dude needs to genuflect to the universe that he has such a soft and easy life.
Hey i have to carry my green card around now and have a go bag packed. I’m so sorry for the struggles you faced for having to make a slight adjustment to some documents.
I think the point being made was that “language policing” was unpopular and pushed some people away from liberal values and that it was one of many factors that created a situation where you have to carry your green card and live in fear of being disappeared.
Because we don’t say “master bathroom?” A phrase popularized to sell houses to 26 year olds so they could feel grand about taking on mortgages? This made people fascists?
The point is bullshit. Many people have shown that “master bedroom” is still in use on realty websites. Yes there has been progress against a couple slurs, something that happens over time as a result of society becoming more progressive. It’s just externalizing blame for previously held RW values
Plus he’s lying about his claim, and no one removed any words except the Republican administration did with history of women and black or trans folks in any government site or document and is suing or defunding everyone everywhere to make everything except “white male” made illegal to talk about.
Conservatives equate minor inconveniences with society ending threats all the time. It’s how they convince themselves that their sociopathic ideas are ok.
It's like someone told you "the language we used to use invokes literal human slavery, maybe we shouldn't do that anymore" and no one not a fucking child dwelled on it for longer than 2 minutes.
That you can't see "why the tablecloth had to be removed" shows that you're weak link in the chain.
So weird how some people get all twisted in knots when asked to be more considerate and thoughtful with their language.
Get over it.
Stop being a dick.
Get a fuckin hobby.
You know these are easily checked, right? I built control systems which sometimes used the terms "master" and "slave" for certain components. That's technology still using those terms, today.
Dude, I financed my college education writing and editing papers for computer science majors who did not want to put their academic energy into their Humanities pre-reqs.
No one “yanked the tablecloth”. You chose not to sit at the table because it was beneath you.
To the extent that any of this is true - which is not very much - the impact of these vocabulary changes is so small that it barely registered. I work in software too. Nobody cared when we got rid of “blacklist” or “master” we all just went back to doing our jobs
Change Is Scary is a more honest argument in defense of this position than what you usually see, but it is also cowardice masquerading as grievance so maybe stop that.
Aww the poor little baby had to use some new words :( so sad, time to let right wing fascist take over the country to protect the baby from words they dont like
I work in building commissioning and dang if those lochinvars still use master and slave boiler designations. If you like being punished there are people you can pay for that service, but Zillow ain’t out to hurt your widdle fee fees
If we are to destroy all forms of hierarchy and domination, all branches must be both nominally and functionally equal. Merely renaming the "master" branch to "main" doesn't touch the sides.
No, this is true, default originally was "master". However, in my career no one is slapping people around making them change it. We recognize it as unsupportive and change it when it makes sense to.
In all honesty, unless you're preoccupied with default branch names for some reason, it's hardly even worth knowing! We already have to keep so many things in our headspace when coding
I call BS; and I don't think you work in the industry.
If you narrowed it down to preferring a different name for branches going forward -- sure, that's plausible. And `main` works fine. (My company does prefer alternate names, but we haven't renamed our existing branches.)
Dude, I work in software also. Nobody is forcing you to name your primary branch main rather than master. Also there are pretty clear negative connotations of the word master. It’s not much to ask. Maybe you shouldn’t be such a snowflake.
Look, I'll admit to some annoyance when I created a repo and found that it had named the primary branch main. It generates more work and the old name had familiarity. However it's a change in the scale of needing to install a new library because the old one is no longer supported. Not much.
lol. Yup all of the master branches are gone. Every single commit in every repo has been up rebased to eliminate every reference to a master branch. We all did this. Sure.
If you don’t do it they disappear you without so much as a hint of due process.
I've seen a push to replace the actual master/slave terminology for things like IDE drives. Everything else on your list of made up grievances is a made up grievance.
names change. language changes. most of us grow up and manage to not throw fits when something changes slightly without our permission. you didn’t have to include the software part, i could guess that from your whiny little bitch tone
god that is pathetic. Oh no you gotta type “main” instead of “master” sometimes a terrible burden that comes at great personal cost. Why the fuck would your personal identity be tied up in “master” being the default branch name
I work in software too, and people will still refer to a “master” branch. But, yes, source control systems moved to calling it a “main” branch and unless you are a complete jerk, this is not that big of a change.
It is impressive that you manage to work on the software industry while being the absolute softest little baby ever born on Earth. Typically the biz only hires adults. Fortunately this is likely to be the only time in your career that you encounter new terminology or have to change practices.
I work in programming and we have “master”s of plenty of stuff lmao. Also, the change is from master to main on GitHub. Boo fucking hoo? Main is more descriptive anyways - it makes you think of others as branching off the main (as in a tree or hallway or highway or river or whatever)
So? Is "main" such a hard piece of terminology to, erm, master? Apple reversed the direction of scrolling with very little warning. In tech, we're supposed to adapt fast, often for silly reasons. While "master" in this context is more akin to a primary copy, it's easier to change terms than argue.
Honestly, the tree metaphor works. But so does simply labeling things as primary and secondary. Which has the very useful added advantage of tertiary and quaternary when needed, and so on. Master-slave cannot convey those relationships therefore the ranked/ordinal naming system really is superior.
Working in software you are no doubt aware of those places where master was used in a context that was offensive - where the secondary word was slave. There is zero hardship to removing all use of the word master from software because it serves no purpose not better served by another word like main.
switching to main branches was a moderate hassle for large IT organizations and a near-imperceptible one for smaller ones, and both GitHub and GitLab offered affordances to simplify the process for their users
I also work in software. I merged my changes to master on Friday. Today I attended a brown bag meeting. I do not have my pronouns in my signature. I've been at this company since 2023 and the policies have not changed in that time.
The closest thing I've experienced to what you are talking about was that my tech lead once mused "maybe we should change our whitelists to allowlists". No sweeping change was made. To this day our codebase contains one "allowlist" and six or seven "whitelist"s.
Guys he just forgot to scroll down...He just saw 3 bedrooms, 2 baths, garage and didn't scroll down to more details. Come on honest mistake...just screwing around this guy is found lacking.
Hi, I work in software too - you are full of shit! Still got plenty of master branches hanging around w/o any voiced concerns at a pretty "woke" company.
GitHub updated their default to main and a certain segment of developers went apeshit. The rest (actual serious people) updated their build pipelines and then literally never thought about it again.
I work with conservatives. They could not give a single solitary fuck about this, it’s largely fake
So what? We used to say "war cripple" - then after WWII the term fell out of use by the 1950s. It's completely normal for generations to become disenchanted with one way of putting it. We used terms for people with intellectual disabilities that are now only used as slurs.
"Oh, yeah, slavery isn't a great metaphor for tech" is a normal reaction. There was no "intense social pressure". Enough people cared for git defaults to be changed. BFD. Why do you care so much not just about using violent metaphors, but about everyone applauding you for it? Ppl have opinions!
“Zero connection” is an odd assumption to make when dealing with a naming convention.
Maybe you’re too young to have dealt with IDE hard drives & their Master/Slave jumpers and cable select options; but SATA drives still do this in the BIOS using master/slave terminology.
I work in software too, and you are exaggerating. What happened was a few centralized tools like GitHub changed their default, and because most of us don't really care one way or the other we just use the new default branch name. No one who is serious is out there saying its "unacceptable"
Bruh we still use "master" and "slave" terminology in electrical engineering all the time. The only words I've ever been scolded for at work is when I had my pronouns in my bio. With respect you need to log off and touch grass.
Quick question what was a non master drive previously called?
Source control might not be directly related to the slave trade, but it absolutely pulled language from it. And the move to Primary, Secondary, Backup and so on became more descriptive of what we are talking about, whole also removing/1
A. I work in a big woke HR dept, almost every shared file is a "master file". I personally started using "primary" bc I just felt like. Nobody gave me directions one way or the other.
B. You say it's "not acceptable". What happened when you tried it? You tried it and someone screamed at you right?
Gee I just hate it when I'm culturally pressured to start using completely different terminology arbitrarily, and worse yet it's always the PC police, oops I mean the SJWs oops I mean the Wokists and they're always trying to push their gay agenda oops I mean DEI oops I mean CRT oops, I mean...
This is an absurd take. I also work in software, and the only “pressure” in this regard has been internal. Companies have opted to shift their language to move away from master/slave because, trade or not, the relationship is one that they don’t want to propagate.
You should consider a new line of work. We changed the default branch name because the main branch does not exert control over the other branches. It simply makes more sense to use "main" in the era of CI/CD, dipshit. Why would you insist on using a shittier misleading name?
So do I, and I pushed to a master branch named master branch yesterday.
And this is on a university git tool, the very place you people usually accused of pushing a "PC" agenda. I also review lecture slides teaching about master slave flip flops, again, using the correct those terms.
The name is, though. There are tons of examples of “master/slave” across computing, Git is one of them. Git’s predecessor used “master” to refer to the primary copy of a repo and “slave” to refer to clones. When Linus made Git he reused terms from that older system and including “master”
The terms, yes, but they aren't specifically software development terms. His whiny argument is just bad. Just say "I don't like change," people will get it. Hell, I spent half a year house hunting and still managed only a 50/50 chance of saying primary vs master.
I work as a janitor. It is not acceptable to have "master" keys anymore, you have to call it an "I'm a little sissy crybaby key" now. Again, the language changed. The locks went WOKE!!!
Average software dweeb throwing a hissy fit about some random github repos changing their branch names and pretending that's something normal people care about.
Nine times out of ten meanwhile if you ever come across an out transgender person on dating app the only reason why we've even listed our transgender status is to avoid attracting people who would try to hate crime us in public. Even murderers
Are better off than transgender people are thanks to the trans panic legal defense. Which is allows them to get away with killing trans people cause they panicked when they found out the victim was trans. It's legal in 30 states.
It came from engineering, where it definitely had a connection to slave terminology. In IT we used to have things like master/slave drives. Is main too hard a change for you? If we elders can change, why is it hard for someone to young to remember?
I work in software too. The term 'master' is a Bitkeeper convention that Git kept. The thing it references is antiquated (binary files don't have 'master copies') and the terminology doesn't fit every modern branching strategy.
So dropping the term master hurts exactly 0 people.
Github changed the default branch from master to main for new repositories. It didn’t affect existing ones. You could change it to master if you wanted. And main is shorter to type.
This is an industry where we routinely switch from AWS to GCP (and vv), from Java to Kotlin, from JavaScript /1
Seriously. These choads keep telling on themselves. They are those sad fucks that no one wants to work with because they haven't bothered to try a new thing since they learned to code in 1996.
I work in Data and I definitely have created and continue to create tables with names that include the word “master” please don’t make it industry dependent when that’s not the case… BUT… BUT… and here’s the kicker if something becomes gauche and they asked me to simply change my language… I WOULD
Even when it’s shit I always say… because why THE FUCK do I care? Trying so hard and fighting against people who are saying “Hey this language is offensive and has roots in discrimination, please use this instead” it doesn’t hurt me.
Chestfeed vs Breastfeed is a great one cus I think it’s so ridiculous and everyone has breasts (men and women) and this has been stated for a long time, I’d just change over cus WHAT THE FUCK DO I GAIN by arguing it? There’s absolutely no benefit in fighting it.
I recall learning about “master slave” relationships in the context of USB protocols / device peripherals and I gotta say that definitely stuck out then as a little weird
i work in software, and you're full of shit. i can also view zillow and redfin, as you invited us to, and can maintain that you're full of shit. about this conversation being "impossible on bluesky" you're again full of shit, we're having it right now - you just don't like not being agreed with.
Also I can’t think of literally any consequence of the change to main. The closest thing is that we had to update build pipelines to accept both branches.
I can’t believe I wasted two whole minutes because of woke
Exactly! I remember making the change, and it took like, a day or two of forgetting, being told "branch not found", and saying "oh yeah, different default now". I can't imagine this being any sort of hill to die on.
So supremely weird to be in software the field with variables and object call that can be anything and multiple things. Yet be so worried about pronouns and what things are called. Almost like you prefer the bigotry and hate when any of it goes away…
Here's a question, though I doubt you'll read this:
So fucking what?
Language changes all the time. If you want to talk about "normal people with normal jobs" having problems with language, how about dealing with a new batch of consultant-invented buzzword bullshit every two years?
Either you have a very strained definition of “not acceptable” or our experiences differ wildly.
I went from government contractor to mature startup. Both jobs set up new repos with `main`, but made little effort to convert old ones. No one ever corrected for referring to `master` branch.
The main branch in git can be named anything. Always could be. You could name it aloysius if you want.
Also, the term master/slave WAS a longstanding term used in computer communication models. Slave was used less and less over time. The master side of it just hung around through the years.
Sorry but no. You cannot go from "there was no pressure to change at all" to "if you cannot handle the pressure it's your problem". There was advocacy to change language, in some cases for entirely pointless reasons. It's not a justification for the mess we're in, but it's a fact.
It’s also utterly BS. I wasn’t aware couldn’t use master bathroom, and wow - the very first listing on Redfin has it. And master branch? I literally saw this today at work. Just jumping at shadows
As someone else who works in software, this guy is so full of shit. This was never an issue. No one ever brought it up. I think so people made some jokes about it though back in 2020.
I work in software too. When one of my black colleagues set a new project to use “main” instead of “master” I went with it because 1.) zero effect on my life. And 2.) whatever he wanted to be comfortable with. He dealt with plenty of my preferences since I set up the linter.
The default name the main branch in git is master…this guy is dumb as rocks and most people changed to main because it made more sense than master. They also change from master/slave in clusters because it translated better to other languages…dude is a whiner.
I work in software. At one company we switched from "master" to "main" and at my current employer it is still "master". It really is not a big deal, in fact it saves you two characters of typing to use "main". Why are you so invested in using the specific word "master"? Who cares?
Nobody ever told me I had to stop using the master slave terminology. I did it purely as my own decision in my own repos and documentation because I thought it was fair enough.
If you feel pressured, I'm sorry. But it's not a fucking big deal.
This is where you’ve gone wrong—the very fact that said language _exists_ and is so common in English is _because_ of the role the slave trade played in our history. It’s simply so baked in that you never noticed it before. I know I hadn’t. It simply pervades everything.
As someone who grew up building computers with “master” and “slave” hard drives, in computing, the term “master” absolutely does have a connotation to it, and I could not possibly give two shits about having to find different words to describe things from time to time
Lmao come on man. You have to know that it's super telling that you can't find anything more significant than "real estate listings had to be edited" when you're talking about "policing language" or whatever the fuck you're on about
"Litter boxes in schools" is the most insidious of all the lies. It's based on the reality of a container that has a fair amount of litter or similar substance that can be used as a toilet in an active shooter situation. Seriously disgusting to lie about something their ideology made necessary
People are slowly phasing out calling the big bedroom the master bedroom. Some real estate agents are quick to adopt the new terminology; others are slow.
But literally nobody is threatening Zillow brokers with, like, rendition to El Salvador if they don't use "primary bedroom".
I'm selling my home right now - in the NYC metro area - & last week my realtor and the painters all called my biggest bedroom "the master bedroom" and no woke police showed up to arrest them! What is even going on!!!!
Some would describe me as a “woke lib” & I worked for “woke corporations” & never have even heard of the supposed bans on the words “breastfeeding” & “brown bag lunch.” Can you give me an example of your company banning those terms?
I honestly think this was probably some conservatives talking about “they’ll probably ban ‘brown-bag lunch’ next” & someone ran with that until an Atlantic writer acted like it was fact.
I'm doing a renovation and our site lead's daughter told him master bedroom was gross, so he's trying to say primary. And now we all try to say primary in front of Mike because Mike's trying to learn something new.
Is that "intense social pressure"? Or just normal people being normally nice?
I remember reading Catcher in the Rye in the '80s and thinking the language was incredibly dated, though the plot held my interest. The book was about 35 years old then.
By ordinary, you mean old white guys incapable of seeing their own racism. And where does the language change vote occur that everyone has a say in? Do you hear how stupid you sound?
You're complaining about a NON-EXISTENT problem that's easily debunked by a 5 minute search on Zillow. No one is being punished for master bedroom. Meanwhile, our FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has published a list of prohibited words, and is currently pulling grants and livelihoods of people who use them.
What is wrong with calling it a primary bedroom? If it is my damn house that I own, I can call it whatever I want. But what’s wrong with calling it a primary bedroom? It isn’t tradition.
Snowflakes cry all the time about the silliest shit.
Who fucking cares. People are being extraordinarily renditioned to torture prisons right now because weak scolds, as you seem to be, didn’t like watching English evolve slightly.
Sorry, I miss the part about why you care? Do you have stock in the word "master"? Is your 401K heavily invested in "master"? Shows on HGTV have been calling it main or primary bedroom for a really long time and it became the standard in 2020 amongst realtors so 🤷🏻♀️
I'm an ordinary person with a normal job. And (1) this is the first I've heard anything about "master bedroom" being out of favor. (2) Even if that is the case, it has exactly zero impact on my life.
Hi, 20+ year homeowner here. Never called it "the master bedroom". Not once. Always thought that was some antiquated Boomer term, and neither I, nor any of my fellow homeowners ever thought to use it.
THIS is the shit you're crying over? _THIS_ is the shit that makes you feel oppressed?! JFC...
If you e ever studied language you’d know that it evolves. It’s not an attack, it’s evolution and progression is natural. Stopping progress isn’t. World moves with or without you. Only the fearful stomp their feet.
I have alerted the woke police to this post. Please comply by identifying the address and realtor listed in the Zillow ad. If not, they will make you watch ladyballers and write an essay on why it is problematic from a feminist viewpoint
WTF are you complaining about? A word you like is used less? Of all the actual problems in the world, you think this is a conversation that needs to be had?
git checkout main
is easier than
git checkout master
He's correct when it comes to computers but that's because they used to actually use master/slave terminology. Now it's less offensive to some and less letters to type, you'd think a coder would recognise that as a win.
You should be thrilled with the Trump list of banned words. Not sure what to call the women's room now since woman, women ladies,girl and female are banned. Just pictures now I guess. 🚺 No male references are so you are safe.
Since MAGA seems to be poorly educated, signs are probably better🙄
Did the woke deep state plant all the counter examples people are effortlessly finding to your silly little story, or did you just think nobody would check and you could get up on your social media cross to decry the lack of space for assholes?
It's a requirement:
They must out-victim the people they victimize, to provide sufficient dopamine to cover up their feelings of inadequacy that drive their anti-social behavior.
I think it's so cool that you didn't even try to go to Zillow's site to support your claim. THAT's confidence, and earned or un-earned it sure means... you know, something good, I'm sure. Even when you get caught. Doesn't change anything.
It's not a dunk. I don't think you're stupid. It just doesn't help your case to use easily refuted claims. I think your comments about mini-Overton windows have merit.
And yeah the format lends itself to dunks but shit, that's how open debate works. Always research your claims before claiming them.
If you search the entire site you'll find the term master used, but when I looked at NY, MA and Ohio I couldn't find the term master used on the listing.
If he's arguing it's a rule? He's wrong, but you'll see 5 bedrooms and no mention of a master.
Just went to the page for a house we looked at last year (first that came up w/autocomplete), and "master suite" was right there. Spot-checking I'm seeing plenty more (and yes, some that say "main bedroom" instead).
"Tastefully updated Eastwood Commons condo! This unit is move-in ready and features a renovated kitchen with granite counters and stainless appliances, newer washer/dryer, A/C condenser, upstairs flooring, and updated full bath. Spacious master bedroom -
with walk-in closet. Attached 1-car garage and private patio. Use the nearby East Hill Rec Trail to walk or bike to Cornell. Easy living in this desirable neighborhood. HOA covers grounds maintenance, snow removal, water/sewer, trash removal and exterior siding/roof maintenance at $325/month."
It’s fake. It’s the same thing as thinking teachers put litter boxes in classroom because some kids were “identifying as cats.” Never happened, not once, and it’s just the evil wing of the GOP manipulating the stupid one for votes and profit.
Demonstrably false total snowflake shit. Especially galling to complain about such non-issues on a day when the White House makes its gestapo tactics even more clear. Please save your powder for actual fights that actually matter.
I really want to make a joke Aaron Sorkin and this guy but shouldn't. Fake outrage is dumb, though, dude. Like, read any primer on ethics and philosophy, and address the modality and metric of your concern -
I help with marketing real estate listings and they absolutely still use master bedroom or suite. Where the hell are you looking at these listings without that?
you have to call it "main debating" now or i'm sending you to the woke gulag 😡 (which is actually pretty nice, it's more like a job training and social retreat spa)
This is just a lie. And a really easily disprovable one, and one that would be so inconsequential if true that it boggles the mind why you’d even bother to lie about it in the first place.
I'm trying to imagine a more perfect way for you to say, "Hey folks! I'm a complete asshole!" without actually have to say: "Hey folks! I'm a complete asshole!"
did you even read the tweet you made this thread off of? He was literally saying that despite not conforming to those "pressures" in the specific institutions you would expect them to be most prevalent, he received no pressure because the "pressure" was manufactured conservative outrage
quick question: is language a fluid, organic social construct that evolves over time to reflect changing cultural attitudes? or is it something that should be frozen in amber forever, preserved exactly as it was when the Language Gods created it?
And of all languages, English is probably the one that changes the most because there is no central authority dedicated to its preservation, like French. And if we don’t have a word for it, we’re more than happy to pilfer one from another language!
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You probably got corrected on some people’s pronouns, but society doesn’t actually have a consequence for misgendering beyond “some people will think you’re an Asshole”
I'm super online, poor, and definitely aren't changing language and what you're describing didn't happen
Your argument is weak and driven by hyperbolic anecdotal fantasy and an inability to recognise that language evolves to accommodate its users, not the other way around.
You don’t go around calling your friends fa**ot anymore.
Even going so far as to just make shit up to prove how hard you've got it.
You haven't. You've got no clue.
If you’re Hobbes, you wanted the tablecloths gone and now they are. Zero friction. It’s an easy dunk in a space like Bluesky where no one has a different viewpoint.
I dunno, get mad that they don't call 'em Freedom Fries anymore or some dumb shit like that. It will do wonders for you, I promise.
Imagine these snowflake crybabies having to live as Brown/Black people and simply for our genetics having to prove that you are an American at every turn? Grow a pair Mike.
Dude, all they did was start calling it a table linen. It's still there, even if you refuse to recognize it by another name.
MAIN makes significantly more sense in context than MASTER for branches in a code repo, and in most other uses of the word. So we, THE WHOLE INDUSTRY, shifted to language that makes more sense
how were you hurt by this change?
Changing master to main? Was a conversation I saw going on for at least ten years. https://lore.kernel.org/git/CAOAHyQwyXC1Z3v7BZAC+Bq6JBaM7FvBenA-1fcqeDV==apdWDg@mail.gmail.com/ 0 of the people on this chain are WOKE CHAMPIONS, they saw a change their community asked for and implemented it
if you kept saying master bedroom, at MOST, someone might say “hey i don’t like that term, can you use main?” and if that hurt you….. i suggest therapy lol
i see "master bedroom" all the friggin time!
Just because you didn't actually want to argue your stupid point with coworkers does not mean you were 'forced' to do anything
Dietrich Bonhoeffer would be so revolted that you use his image.
So stop being a bozo. You’re completely wrong here
https://bsky.app/profile/michael-aloysius.bsky.social/post/3lmq2ujzys22c
Language changes all the time. It's not a big deal.
Unless, of course, you were really invested in the term "master bedroom".
1. you approve of the change, in which case why frame it like a bad thing for this hypothetical Other who can't handle the change
2. you don't care about the change, in which case why post
3. you don't like the change
My company still has a "master" branch, though we are currently having conversations about replacing "blacklist" & "whitelist" w/ "deny_list" & "allow_list". No forcing.
Language has been changing for millennia - get used to it.
All of your examples, though, are just "change happened", which is a much less sympathetic thing to get worked up about.
language changes. 'master' was a great word to get rid of.
nobody is out to get you
Or do you cry at work, too?
"I feel uncomfortable when I am around people who aren't part of my cult."
5 minutes ago I saw a 'progressive' utterly dismiss a journalist's opinion because he was a "white male". Wtf?
You will find your ppl
honestly, please do
Maybe you should try focusing on anything else of any consequence whatsoever.
I mean, I think a few arguments are wrong. some can easily be disproven. but instead of questioning you and interacting somewhat respectfully, theres name-calling and other stuff. Thats really not helping to bridge the divide.
Like seriously stop looking for reasons to offended.
Stop being an asshole
And he's correct, if you read his thread, in that these specific language changes have almost always produced stronger social pressures going the other direction.
This is 2nd grader behavior. Try to act like a grown adult.
Ironically — have the “easy dunk” down pat.
(And the kicker is i bet it probably wasn't even something that actually happened to you, just something you imagined happening and then got mad at.)
David Frum is “left” now?
Nice to see people coming together over the written word.
Give your balls a tug. Discussions about language absolutely happen. I have bitched about disability and language. Stop being super soft.
"What kind of Coke would you like?"
"A Dr Pepper, please"
Quit being such a gigantic baby, man up and be polite. Like maybe gracious even. It’s extremely unmanly to complain like this.
Are you a child? This is massively embarrassing for you. You should feel bad that you wrote/feel this.
That you can't see "why the tablecloth had to be removed" shows that you're weak link in the chain.
Get over it.
Stop being a dick.
Get a fuckin hobby.
No one “yanked the tablecloth”. You chose not to sit at the table because it was beneath you.
Language Evolves 101
1) that happens pretty regularly in software
2) it was probably the 12th least important discussion that day
You're a lying dipshit.
"git fucked"
Businesses exist to make money.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/71535128/what-exactly-is-the-default-git-branch
https://www.theserverside.com/feature/Why-GitHub-renamed-its-master-branch-to-main
But more importantly, who cares?
Since that is evidently where you live
If you narrowed it down to preferring a different name for branches going forward -- sure, that's plausible. And `main` works fine. (My company does prefer alternate names, but we haven't renamed our existing branches.)
If you don’t do it they disappear you without so much as a hint of due process.
Fuckin’ cry more about it, you soft bitch.
You don't actually feel unsafe or like your way of life is threatened because someone else sometimes uses a different word than before.
Maybe take a breath and have another look at the big picture
Is it really a huge undertaking to use “main” instead of “master” for a primary branch or bedroom? (Hint: it’s not)
Being kind costs nothing.
Also, again, you're wrong.
That guy is so full of shit.
Who the fuck cares if someone disagrees with using "Master bedroom?"
The epitome of the right wing's babyism is basically, "how the hell do you like the color blue? EVERYONE should like green."
Whiney and sad.
I work with conservatives. They could not give a single solitary fuck about this, it’s largely fake
When the question popped us many of us just shrugged and took the opportunity to use more accurate language. Some of us started crying like babies.
Maybe you’re too young to have dealt with IDE hard drives & their Master/Slave jumpers and cable select options; but SATA drives still do this in the BIOS using master/slave terminology.
Source control might not be directly related to the slave trade, but it absolutely pulled language from it. And the move to Primary, Secondary, Backup and so on became more descriptive of what we are talking about, whole also removing/1
The frankly insulting use of a term which never really fit what was being described in the first place.
That said Master still sees plenty of use in the industry and it is only really the secondary that have seen massive adoption of name changes.
B. You say it's "not acceptable". What happened when you tried it? You tried it and someone screamed at you right?
You sound like someone annoyed they get looks if they try to “Jew someone down” on the price of something.
Yeah. And the concept of a “master” is one of an inherently exploitative power dynamic.
Like, what is the point in obviously lying? Do you think Trump will give you a job or something?
And this is on a university git tool, the very place you people usually accused of pushing a "PC" agenda. I also review lecture slides teaching about master slave flip flops, again, using the correct those terms.
I have a master database in every one of my SQL Server instances.
Master is the default branch name in any git install.
Love when people talk about things they know nothing about.
Our data operations folks still call our read-replica databases "slaves"
This is not pervasive in the way you claim.
And even if it were I can't imagine what cause there is to really be upset.
You can't be serious.. or the dumbest newbiest dev I've ever run into
They have changed everything since Nov 2024?
I've been involved in development since 1974 (eeproms) and software dev since 1981.
The terminology hasn't changed
https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/master-slave-architecture/
You can still use 'master' branches if you want, but 'main' is more semantic.
I know this is a skill you have bro. Why save it exclusively for situations where the stakes are impersonal?
The same amount of time it takes to determine you are wrong about Zillow.
Are you always butthurt about imaginary things?
Nine times out of ten meanwhile if you ever come across an out transgender person on dating app the only reason why we've even listed our transgender status is to avoid attracting people who would try to hate crime us in public. Even murderers
https://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/panic_defense_bans
Thanks for perpetuating the stereotyping that tech geeks are insufferable rightwingers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master–slave_(technology)
So dropping the term master hurts exactly 0 people.
read: "I am completely out of touch with anyone making below 50k a year"
This is an industry where we routinely switch from AWS to GCP (and vv), from Java to Kotlin, from JavaScript /1
And a branch name change trips you up?
I can’t believe I wasted two whole minutes because of woke
Anyway, here’s the default branch of Linux, still “master.”
So fucking what?
Language changes all the time. If you want to talk about "normal people with normal jobs" having problems with language, how about dealing with a new batch of consultant-invented buzzword bullshit every two years?
I reckon the average normal person with a normal job finds "associate" or "co-worker" more irritating than "employee", too.
I went from government contractor to mature startup. Both jobs set up new repos with `main`, but made little effort to convert old ones. No one ever corrected for referring to `master` branch.
Also, the term master/slave WAS a longstanding term used in computer communication models. Slave was used less and less over time. The master side of it just hung around through the years.
That is literally the root origin of the terminology, and why we don't use it anymore.
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
If you feel pressured, I'm sorry. But it's not a fucking big deal.
golden master records didn't have branches; it's much easier to use the words that describe different types of branch in the tree metaphor.
Still have plenty of "master" branches, and plenty of "main" branches, too.
You might just be wrong, or you might just be trolling.
https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/configuring-branches-and-merges-in-your-repository/managing-branches-in-your-repository/changing-the-default-branch
Once again, conservatives making something up then getting mad about it
Out of those six, 5 said master bedroom, 5 said master bath.
The sixth had a description and listing written with someone who had zero attention to detail. So I'm wondering if it was your house.
Call it a Master bedroom ffs, nobody cares about you enough to get mad anyway
have a nice day, or don't.
2) Who would care anyway
3) It is unlikely you are an ‘ordinary’ person considering 1 + 2
You look kinda stupid making a fuss about something that's not even a thing.
blockbuster
Damn I wish we'd see this kind of rage directed at the campaign of hate queer people face.
Bet you he also has 🔥 takes on:
* satanists running daycares
* rainbow parties
* litter boxes in schools
Christine’s not gonna like that.
Your miserable life is haunted by imaginary demons.
But literally nobody is threatening Zillow brokers with, like, rendition to El Salvador if they don't use "primary bedroom".
Idk where that came from. Clearly it came from lunches being in paper bags.
Is that "intense social pressure"? Or just normal people being normally nice?
To tell stupid lies?
Also, this shit is made up.
(Please do not check them right now)
Snowflakes cry all the time about the silliest shit.
2) Fuck off to the moon.
THIS is the shit you're crying over? _THIS_ is the shit that makes you feel oppressed?! JFC...
I'm really embarrassed for you.
From 2003:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3243656.stm
git checkout main
is easier than
git checkout master
He’s lying 🤦🏽♂️
Since MAGA seems to be poorly educated, signs are probably better🙄
You seem quite troubled in your seeking.
W h a t
Talk about wasting time.
They must out-victim the people they victimize, to provide sufficient dopamine to cover up their feelings of inadequacy that drive their anti-social behavior.
I mean, healthy people don't act that way.
So what are you even talking about?
And yeah the format lends itself to dunks but shit, that's how open debate works. Always research your claims before claiming them.
If you search the entire site you'll find the term master used, but when I looked at NY, MA and Ohio I couldn't find the term master used on the listing.
If he's arguing it's a rule? He's wrong, but you'll see 5 bedrooms and no mention of a master.
"Tastefully updated Eastwood Commons condo! This unit is move-in ready and features a renovated kitchen with granite counters and stainless appliances, newer washer/dryer, A/C condenser, upstairs flooring, and updated full bath. Spacious master bedroom -
zilch.
That might be intolerable. At least reassure me they misuse apostrophes in this hell hole.
Suck my ass
It's called the safe word bedroom now?
First try.