Bingo! That’s the plan. Only good news is blue states statistically have more passport holders than red states. They’re going to screw themselves on this one.
That’s the thought I had. Nearly every one of my blue-voting friends holds a passport. My worry is that we’ll somehow be prevented from renewing. Mine expires in 2 years.
Women are being dehumanized, so are men, they just haven't realized it yet. In a dictatorship, the law is whatever Dear Leader says it is. So, what does he say?
Also anyone who has legally changed their name for any reason will have an issue with voting. Not just married cis-women. If they didn't also get to change their birth certificate.
This could affect republicans disastrously. Some of their biggest supporters come from the poorest states where they will be the most affected by this legislation
Luckily, I did not change my name—Why the fuck should I? If my husband wasn’t game to change his—I was thinking of a portmanteau of both our last names—then I wasn’t going to change mine. It’s a pain in the ass, frankly. And never bought the “the kids will be confused” excuse was pretty lame.
Easier said than done, I'm afraid. As an example, my married name is also my professional name. I would sacrifice hard-earned name recognition if I were to change it.
I changed mine bc I wanted to have the same last name as our kids. also, my former last name was also given to me by a man (and my first name, actually) so at least this option gave me a choice. I chose the guy, I chose the name.
I took my husband's name because my adopted name was from a deeply abusive stepfather. I could hardly wait to shed it and so, at 19, I took the chance to claim a different family name.
I didn't have a positive emotional connection to my last name at birth or at adoption, so my husband's last name made as much sense as anything. Also, I was Mormon at the time I got married and so keeping my last name wasn't something I considered at age 19 in 1995.
Well, since I was a teenager I always knew that I would never give up my parents’ surnames (we Cubans use both) to replace it with the surname of a person from whom I might divorce and who I didn’t owe my life. Really these customs should be discarded by women who feel independent.
Same here. I work in a very niche sector where name and reputation are everything. Changing from my married name of 20+ years would hurt me more than it helped.
The gov has all our vital info. It wouldn't be hard to change to a "Sarah Smith (nee Connors)" name system, which would solve the issue.
Agreed. I regretted going to my married name and ended up changing it all back after my divorce. It took some patience, communication and marketing professionally, but it was doable and worth the pain!
I highly recommend not changing your last name at marriage!
Why is it unrealistic for every citizen to have a copy of his or her birth certificate? Same for a marriage certificate if applicable. They are easy to obtain via the Internet and the cost is minimal.
A “copy” of a birth certificate is not acceptable. The original must be presented. How many people have that. Also, what about women who are divorced and remarried that changed their last name twice? It will be impossible for them to vote.
A certified copy of the bc must come from the state/territory of birth. It must have a raised seal or official stamp. They are absolutely acceptable. If an original were required, most citizens—men and women—would be unable to register.
A certified copy with a raised seal or official stamp is absolutely acceptable. How do you think people get passports? The original copy is usually held by the state/territory of the individual’s birth.
Sorry, yeah I didn't mean *just* women, I meant married women and wasn't clear. I'm sorry, I'm not doing a good job staying calm and I didn't reply well there. No offense was intended, but what was done I apologize for.
Yeah, so many people are going to lose the right to vote. Military, Native People, married women, literally millions of people. And that is their goal.
So, I guess they don’t want their own wives taking their name anymore, not to mention the they’d have to enlarge the driver’s license to fit the additional names on it if the wife wants to take her husband’s name.
By the way, the Social Security number stays the same when a wife takes her husband’s name except you cannot use it as an identification card. So the government does in fact have a record of the change(s).
It is equivalent to a poll tax as the most likely acceptable i.d. will be a passport.
From a sociological viewpoint this will be interesting. Does this mean that the perennially-maligned never-married woman will retain her voting rights. Will Cat Ladies ascend in political power? (/sarcasm)
Why can’t you just show your birth certificate and your marriage license? Thatnis what I did when changing my driver’s license and passport. My voter’s registration was changed then too
If you read the bill, I believe that they specifically exclude marriage licenses as valid ID. As the OP said, they want to stop women from voting. Remember that Project 2025 is the guide, and the end goal is to put women back into the kitchen.
Oh they most definitely thought this through. Most of them have talked openly about how the right to vote should be stripped from women or that married women should only be allowed to vote as their husbands do. It's even on the list of rights the rights they want to strip from us.
They don't care. Trad wives gladly give over their autonomy for *checks notes* nothing in return. But hey, at least having 12 kids make up for it right? ...right?
This is a political advocacy group who thinks the public is stupid. As if we don’t know what an outlier the USA is here.
If there are bureaucratic issues preventing millions of citizens from getting a proper ID - that’s a problem that should be addressed, without the partisan spin.
Like I said, Kamala's ad campaign likely resulted in many men holding their wife's vote hostage as we don't actually have real voter privacy in this country, what we have are manilla folders, voter privacy is a myth. But now men know that if they weren't watching their wifes would vote against them
It's like getting a Real ID as a married woman. You need to show your current driver's license, birth certificate, Social Security card, marriage certificate, and place of address. I'm glad I'm not divorced or there would be more to do. I told my daughter to never change her name.
Important: the real ID doesn’t count as a document you can present to register to vote under the SAVE act. If you are a married woman with partners last name the only doc they will accept is passport. Unless Real ID specifies US citizenship status you can’t use it.
To my understanding, no. Reading the act it looks like you must have a document that has your photo, you’re legal last name verified through a rigorous system like a passport or real ID process, and it must say US citizen. Since Real ID doesn’t say “US citizen” that one won’t work.
That only leaves one document that fills the requirement: a passport. Now if your name matches your birth certificate, then that’s all you need regardless of the lack of photo.
When I got my Real ID, maybe 10 years ago, I was divorced. I had to give the DMV, my birth certificate, marriage license, and my divorce decree, showing that I was keeping my married last name, and I think, the deed to my condo, showing it was in my name only.
Changing my name was THE biggest regret of my life. My career took off while I was married, and now I’m stuck with that name. Now they are trying to make it where I can’t vote? 🤯
I’ve divorced 2x so it’ll be a nightmare for me. I’ve heard it’s easier to get a passport so I’m using that option then I’ll get my Real ID with my passport. I suppose I could file for a name change for $35,back to my maiden name, & get my ID that way. 🤷🏻♂️
I went today for my Real ID. Two women ahead of me got turned away because of this very thing. I almost did as well, but luckily I brought every document I had (including divorce decree from previous marriage). They still needed a supervisor to review everything before I got "approval."
When I got married I made it clear to my wife that I didn't expect her to change her name. She wanted to though. In a couple of ways it makes things simpler here in the UK.
My wife is definitely not my chattel!
Not American but have told my daughter the same, the difficulty to be able to go back to my maiden name after divorce was insane and took two years. It went round and round until I got the divorce paperwork, 2 years of BS to change my name back.
Exactly. I have no idea what I was thinking when I took my husband's name except that it would be easier for our kids to have the same name as both of us.
Nobody changes her surname in my country when married, it's an anachronism, chauvinistic and not practical at all, women are not posessions and during a lifetime people might marry several times. You may be born Mary Anne Hall but end up being Mrs Jackson, Mrs Sacco and Mrs Doherty in one lifetime🤪
In my wife's family: Grandma married twice, gave first husband's name to 3 girls and 1 boy. All daughters married and got children: my wife has 3 female (2 married) and 1 male cousins.
Roughly 10-11 names for about 20 people. Hilarious...
They put your marital status and the name you choose. Men and women can change to their spouse's or use both (with "-"). Many women still take their husband's, but I think a higher proportion add it to theirs, and many don't change at all. Men rarely change, but more and more add their wife's.
That's an option too, I never did but the name change for women is a terrible idea. Straight and gay men marry all the same but they don't lose their identity, their original name.
I’m going to tell my daughter the same thing. I’ve been married twice and changed my name twice. All the social security, passport, now real id hoops you have to jump through are not worth it. Especially now with this save act bullshit.
Is that for women who don't have their passport? Because I'm divorced and only had to show my passport (I never changed back to my maiden name and the passport has my married name).
Wait a second, no you don't. Because I just got one a few years ago - everyone needs to show DL, SSN, birth certificate, and place of address. I was certainly never asked for a marriage certificate.
I’m divorced and changed my name back to my maiden name. So my birth certificate matches my drivers license and passport. Never changing my name again - same with my daughters.
I filed for a corrected divorce decree because the original changed my name "back" to First M. Maiden, and there was no way I was dealing with this crap the rest of my life. Got it corrected on paper to First Middle Maiden so it matches exactly. It has been worth the extra PIA several times
Oy! My then 92-year-old mother had presented her embossed Nebraska birth certificate to the Idaho DMV –and it was moot! Nebraska's archives (changed twice!) didn't go back that far! Not digitized... Had SS change her name, a quick fix as it turned out.
Please enlighten me! What is a Real ID? I’ve never heard of it unless it’s called something else. I really haven’t been living under a rock, I promise!
As far as I can tell, it's a way of standardising which IDs are considered acceptable proofs of identity, specifically for domestic flights--part of the on going response to 9/11. On paper, at least.
Here's the thing - anyone should be allowed to change their name without losing their right to vote. If I didn't get married, I would have changed my name anyway because I hated my name growing up.
The idea of "family values" to the right is "the woman belongs in the kitchen and cleaning the house" not "out making a difference for herself and others".
Every time you hear GOP talk about “Biblical,” most people don’t really fully understand what they mean because they haven’t actually read that fictional book of fear, hate, slavery, rape, incest, murder, genocide, & atrocity.
It is funny that they accidentally set up a loophole that makes life easier for those of us who didn’t change it like Nasty Woke Feminists. (I assume as soon as they realize they will find a way to get us extra?)
Would love to see a breakdown of name change frequency by party affiliation because I feel like the people least likely to be disenfranchised by this are also less likely to vote for the people proposing it.
What about the millions of women in southern red states who would vote their way? Screw them too I guess. The sad thing is a good portion of those women will go along with it. 🤬
Well now if I had known 41 years ago that taking my husbands name would prevent me from voting 41 years into the future I would have kept my maiden name! This is just stupid!
There's no process for presenting extra documentation like a marriage license. As written, by default women (or anyone) who have changed their last name cannot vote
It states in the article that there is no wording to allow women to show both a birth cert and a marriage license to prove eligibility. So no, as SAVE is right now, it does not allow that.
So women should keep their maiden names and therefore their children will either have a double barrel name or a lot of family lines might end immediately, on paper.
It's so far to the right it's almost far left feminism.
who would be able to chage a birth certificate? Married women update their social security cards if they take their husbands name, I have a passport with my married name. You can pay for a name change to anything you want but I don't think you get a new birth certificate!
RepubliCONS are just that…CONS. This is ridiculous ! I would bet 90% of women have not changed their names legally in court after getting married. I am one and I am married 56 years !!!!
They are angry that women MIGHT have voted differently than their husband last election. So they want to get revenge and prevent that from ever happening again.
There's a reason conservatives want to force people to prove their legal status - if you can't, you're not a person and thus have no rights. No rights = slave.
I remember bringing my piece of paper that said "Certificate of Birth" with my foot prints on it and signatures and gold seal from the doctor (from 1976) to the DMV as a point of identification and I was laughed out of the room because that's not an actual birth certificate.
Just sayin from when I worked for US passport division and had to turn people away. :(. Also, if filing for social security or at death for all sorts of reasons.
And if you're older, your courthouse records may have burned. My grandmother doesn't have a birth certificate because of this. She gets by using her marriage license, ssc, etc but if she didn't already have those, she would have even more troubles with documents
Let me see if I've got this right...
1. For trans people, it's all about what's on your birth certificate - which they insist is immutable.
But...
2. For a cis woman, once she gets married, her birth certificate becomes 'invalid' and her married name (her husband's name) is now her true identity.
Yes. And the focus on trans people Is a massive distraction while they work to gut everyone’s rights, not just ours.
Big surprise. It wasn’t all about 2% of the population.
I had this happen to me when trying to get my smart id. I either had to get a valid passport or come up with my marriage certificate. They wouldn’t accept my birth certificate and my id. I had to get a passport and then go get my id after that. It took 3 months.
It's in line with their anti-DEI policy. Only white men are qualified for every position in all of the 🇺🇸. Perhaps we should go back in time and uninvent all the things that minorities invented. We should also remove any accomplishments by those same people. Their world would look very different.
Every single thing they're doing makes people not want to get married and not want to have kids and not want to do anything to contribute to the future of the country.
And then they think passing their anti-abortion law is going to make more children for their workforce in the future.
I got a hysterectomy last year. I wouldn't have been so extreme, but.. I knew where we were heading and wanted to protect myself 🤷🏼♀️ I've never felt more free as a woman than I have in this last year. I have a teenager and I'm depressed that this is the world he has to live in..
This married bit@h knows where my gov't document is!! It's easy to get a birth certificate from gov't ofc!! What... gotta ask permission for a copy?? You best get the F outta there, dummies!! Stand your ground & emasculate that man!! PFFT!😤
A Republican politician is being duly lambasted from offscreen about being a spineless hypocrite, with citations, while slumping further and further forward.
By the final panel, he appears about to come full circle and cram his head up his ass.
If you look at @electiontruth.bsky.social there is extremely compelling evidence suggesting the 2024 election was stolen by hacking & changing swing state votes. Stripping away voting rights is just the tip of the iceberg. They will not step down willingly. This is a completely criminal facist coup.
It’s stupid why would your birth certificate have your married name on it? That is straight up dumb nobody’s birth certificate has their married name on there.😤😤😤😤😤😤
FYI, often you can get a notarized copy of your birth cert from the town your parents lived in when you were born, not just from the city where the hospital was. If your folks lived in a suburb and you were born in the city, it’s a lot easier to get the doc from the suburb.
The stupidity is, when you change your name, either by marriage or court order, you have to prove who you are! They don’t just issue you a new SS, DL or passport on your word. 🙄
Correct identification is part of the process, so this is redundant, unnecessary and should go before the courts.
My father was not a nice man. My maiden name was obviously his. I took my (now ex) husband's name because I wanted to leave dear old dad behind. It's patriarchal no matter what way you look at it. It's usually either your father's name or your husband's for most women.
That's ok because the women who voted for Trump want to be voiceless, powerless, jobless and obedient. They almost made it! Just a few more executive orders . . .
What better reason for not changing your name when you marry! I asked my husband if he would change his name to mine, 34 years ago. He wasn't into it. I didn't change mine either.
Depends on your local rules but full background clearances, lawyers and advertising are usually required unless it's a name change through marriage or divorce.
The first man I almost married was down to take my last name. That's when I learned that if they're willing, it's because they're trying to outrun their name for a reason 😅 dodged a huge bullet there
In order to get a driver’s license in VA, I had to present my state issued birth certificate, marriage certificate, and divorce decree. Then used my license to get a US federal government vetted passport. I’m voting.
Which is great for you, but that also costs money so this effectively a poll tax which will severely disenfranchise low income voters and go against the 24th amendment.
Problems not mentioned: VA requires a state-issued birth certificate, but in neighboring NC, counties issue the certificates, & VA doesn’t accept them. So you may also need a separate letter from NC testifying that the county cert is real.
I wish I was making that up. But, yeah, VA doesn’t necessarily recognize your birth certificate and doesn’t consider it VA’s problem to tell you how to fix that.
You have completely missed the point. If they have changed their name for any reason since the birth certificate was issued, then it is invalid under SAVE.
Your current legal name has to match your ORIGINAL birth certificate. You can't use a birth certificate with your maiden name as proof of identity under this proposed law even if you show them a marriage license
This is caused by the idiotic and pointless practice in America of women assuming their husbands' names. And Americans may think this is the custom all over the world, when it isn't. Throw your name away, then deal with endless hassles over credit and credentials. And now risk disenfranchisement.
What % of the American populace still believes women should be required by law to take their husband's name?? Last time I checked it was around 60-ish%, and the most common reason given was that it's "disrespectful of your husband" not to.
Several years ago I had to provide all the legal documents from birth thru 3 marriages and 2 divorces to prove who I was to get my REAL-ID compliant drivers license and my passport. So unless they stop taking that as legal id at the polls I’m good.
Mines the real id driver’s license. Unless they stop taking driver’s licenses at the polls, in which case they are going to inconvenience a lot more than just married people who took their spouses name and didn’t update their legal ids!
The Real ID is listed as one of the acceptable forms of proof of citizenship in the bill BUT my Real ID says nothing about being a citizen, so due to that, it wouldn’t be adequate. I’m so confused.
To all women: you were given a full name at birth, please keep it unfettered until you die. I married twice and still maintain my maiden name. It belongs to you, it represents part of your heritage, not your husband’s.
In my country, one is free to adopt the mother’s name. My nephew carried his parents names but gave up his father’s in favor of his mother’s. I have used my mother’s name of Bonenfant; but it’s a mouthful to pronounce for anyone who isn’t a francophone, so I carry his family name.
Women have to bring, marriage and divorce records in order to prove name changes in order to get the Star Approved ID/Drivers License as well. It's pure BS, no men have to go through this.. my daughter will NEVER change her name if she marries.
I got married in September 2024. Once I realized all the places I needed to change my name if I took my husband's (including doing another global entry interview), I opted not to change it.
And women aren't even protesting 🤬 at least not in the numbers they should. I'd like to see the numbers of name change requests go up where married women revert back to their maiden name. What is so wrong with ones birthname anyway?
Well, a silver lining is that MAGA women will not follow up on this, and smart women will. Lots of name changes back I would imagine from smart women. Then again, it's step one of rolling back the suffragetes. Step 2 comes maybe, I dunno, next Friday?
Changing name adds additional cost on individual and society.
Of course ppl have right to change their names whenever they want. But the tradition to force/encourage half of population to change names is a bad tradition, should be abolished, adding enormous cost on society.
Have a birth certificate, Real I.D., Passport, Marriage Certificate.
Do not have my maiden name branded on my foot yet. When will they require that??
Imbeciles.
All because they hate women.
It’s a cover up for anyone to climb on and get a free fuck. No other purpose . But if this comatose vagina get pregnant - that still won’t stop the pigs from climbing up and fucking her
In Spain women keep our two surnames and we have a new law that let you decide your children's surnames.
Tradition says father's surname first, mom's surname second. Now you can name them with mom's surname first.
I say the person who carried the fetus around in their body, pushed it out, damaged their bladder, and got piles and cracked nipples gets to slap their surname on their crotchfruit.
In sweden this kind of thing isn't regulated in law. You take whatever name you want when you marry. Traditionally couples took the husbands name, but nowdays it is common that both take both names. In my case we took my wifes name, because it was cooler. Or you simply make a new one up
Also will thwart many young people and immigrants and seniors possibly, also many domestic violence survivors,and I can only imagine how many people have their full documents in one place if at all, and it's expensive to replace them all so that limits lower income folks! Everyone they hate!
I don’t think this article is correct. I don’t support this bill, but the article you posted is misleading. Real IDs work. Passports count as valid ID. They are making it more difficult for married women who’ve changed their to register to vote, but not impossible. https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/hr22/BILLS-119hr22ih.pdf
I am critiquing an article that made an erroneous claim. I am not in favor of voter suppression and agree that voting should not be made more difficult. I just want to put my energy where it counts, and in order to do that we need to share information that is accurate.
The article is correct.
Because in the real world, making voting more difficult means that voting will be impossible for some people. That's the point of the bill.
I wish more people put their energy into fighting voter suppression instead of arguing that voter suppression isn't voter suppression.
I was confused reading it, the article said real ids work but not as the only type of identification because it doesn't prove citizenship so the passport or birth certificate would still need to be shown with it. Is that right?
Yeah, from how I'm reading it idk if they're trying to be confusing. but I think it's saying documentation that would prove you're a citizen (passport or birth certificate) that you'd need in order to get a real id and prove citizenship? Because googling it, real id doesn't prove that itself.
Additional onerous steps and/or paperwork that requires payment and additional steps is disenfranchisement.
"If you already have a bunch of additional paperwork it's fine" is a terrible standard for retention of basic rights.
I didn't say you liked it. I said it's still an onerous set of requirements that constitutes voter suppression and attempted disenfranchisement and that there being work work-arounds that cost time and money many women don't have isn't a valid reason to downplay it.
Attorney here. The article is correct. & personally I had to take a full day off work; drive more than 100 miles to two counties so I could be seen in person; and wait a month to get my Real ID.
I have a real ID. It was annoying to get, but I have one. The article states that it will be hard for married women who (like me) to vote. I was worried so I read the article originally posted. Then I went to the bill and found this:
So no, if I have a real ID I won’t have to drag my marriage and birth certificate with me when I vote. And the larger issue is: will married women who’ve changed their names be able to vote. And the answer is: yes.
Can a California driver’s license with Real ID be used as proof of U.S. citizenship?
"...list of accepted Real ID documents includes a birth certificate, passport or permanent resident card, for the agency’s purposes those are considered proof of identity rather than proof of citizenship."
They are trying to prove citizenship, which a birth certificate and passport do. A Real ID does not prove citizenship. I’m sure young, educated, informed women will think twice about getting married due to Project 2025’s push towards patriarchy.
Are we really? Astonished, that is. We really ought to know how rapidly democracies can come apart. Apart from that, the destabilization process has been going on for quite some time, it’s only coming to fruition…
Married women have marriage certificates and social security numbers proving citizenship. Any voter ID law should allow for that. We can easily come up with funds to get documentation for those who don't have it. It is a legitimate federal expense, so there should be no objections.
I couldn't get a travel visa because my birth certificate didn't show my married name, and I had to then show my marriage certificate. Try finding THAT with a flight the next day. Why we still normalize abandoning ourselves and identities at the altar is worth examining.
I couldn't get a new driver's license because I had gotten married overseas 40 years ago. Divorced 30 years ago. Didn't have any of that paperwork. Why would I? My passport had just expired. Went & got passport renewed. Why? Because, my birth certificate had my maiden name.
Omg same. Married 46 years ago in England, divorced 28 years ago. I cannot get a copy of my marriage license. Why tf isn't the divorce decree enough proof? I have THAT.
There were a lot of reasons I didn't change my name when I got married, but anticipating a lifetime of administrative headaches was a big consideration
My aunt did this for her son! He's the first boy in my generation with 4 girls older than him - and my aunt took her husband's last name. So my cousin got her maiden name as a middle name to keep the name alive (assuming all girls will marry & change their last names)
Huh. The wealthy white Southern girls I knew tended to have at least three names if not more, and often their first name was one of the family’s historic surnames (which meant it didn’t “sound feminine” to most folks).
I recently filled out a form that asked for my mother’s full name & also her maiden name. They were confused that her current middle name was her maiden name. They asked if she had another middle name. “Not one that’s legally relevant. It hasn’t appeared on any ID since her marriage.”
My wife called a contractor yesterday to make an appointment to get a bid for a kitchen remodel. They told her they would not come unless I was present. I told her to tell them to fuck off. She's a grown-ass woman.
Reminds me of the time a meat service my Mom used to use called and asked if I’d like to order. I said sure, and they asked to speak to my husband. I said I didn’t have one, and they hung up on me.
Our tax appointment, that I made; and uploaded our documents to, decided that we were going to put my husband in as the primary because she couldn’t “access” my account during the appt. Then was shocked looking at our W2s because I make 3x what my husband does. 🙄
Haha. Hopefully, you told them to FO too. My wife is a strong person who doesn't need her hubby present to talk with a contractor, or a salesperson posing as a contractor, to get advice and possibly a bid on doing a remodel.
I can see where we both might have to sign a contract to do the work if the deed to the house is in both of our names, but they don't need me there to plan her project. I trust her judgement.
I'm sorry you had to put up with that kind of nonsense. I thought we were beyond all of that, but apparently we're headed back in that direction. Another feature of Making America Great Again.
I was really shocked, honestly. This was within the last 10 yrs. My partner lives w me now, but it's still my house legally, & now I get them talking primarily to him & all but ignoring me. Thankfully, my partner is good at saying "It's her house. You need to talk to her,"
Provide your date of birth. If you have an NC driver’s license or NCDMV ID number, you must provide this number. If not, you must provide the last four digits of your social security number. If you have none of these ID numbers and you are registering to vote for the first time in North Carolina,
Well aren’t I glad I never legally changed my name! I only go by my married name socially. Seemed like a hassle to legally change it. This is absolutely ridiculous though and we just keep going backwards.
As soon as this thing passes, if it does, the courts will strike as violating the 19th Amendment. Then it'll be in legal limbo depending on the states and the federal courts.
Recently my 89 year old mother decided she wanted an enhanced drivers license. She went in with birth certificate but they said it didn't match her name. We had to dig up her 1956 marriage cert from Billings Montana to my father, and then a 1971 marriage certificate to my stepfather.
Despicable. A despicable administration voted in by despicable people. Despicable men wanting to take any and all rights away from women. Despicable women who vote to ensure other women don’t have rights, ignoring the fact that they themselves will be affected just the same.
I don’t mean to judge and should word it differently. I also don’t underestimate the challenges. I’m going through it with a friend that just needs travel docs but the name change complicates things.
And are expensive. Pus, you need your birth certificate and marriage certificate to get a passport with your changed name, and official copies of those also cost money. You're also looking at weeks if not months wait for each of those things. This isn't a viable workaround for many people
Passport cards are $65, as opposed to passport books, at $165. Same proof of citizenship. Price for copies of docs really depends on where you live. Here in PA, you can get both certificates for less than $50, depending on county. Still, the whole thing stinks. But, the bill hadn't passed yet.
I did mine a couple years back, and it was about the same cost here. It's a cost I can cover now, but there were times in my life it wouldn't have been. I worry a lot for how this is going to affect people who don't have $100+ to spare.
Alternately, we could get rid of the sexist undemocratic assholes who push this kind of shit, and let women use whatever names they want, for whatever reasons.
The birth certificates are valid. When we were born that was our name. Problems arise in a patriarchal society where we take our husband's name. Best case, take a marriage license and BC when you have to prove citizenship. If several marriages, divorce and marriage certs for each one. Sucks.
If I go back to my birth name that’s my father’s last name. I also changed my name to my mother’s maiden name which was my grandfather’s name. Get the idea ? Then I married and kept that name but in the end it was easier to change it to my husband’s name. It’s known as Patriarchy.
I think they believe that poor & black/brown people-who may have lived in small apartments & moved frequently-are not as likely to be able to find their birth certificate as white Republican women who have lived in their suburban homes for 30 years-with plenty of space to store important documents.
Both my mother in law 95 and my dad 83 had a difficult time getting updated documents for their licenses. Mil bc she at some point changed the spelling of her first name o / a so her birth certificate didn’t match. Dad born in Canada so had to renew his passport first. They have many resources.
This is voter suppression in broad daylight. Imagine designing a law that effectively punishes women for changing their last name. If your democracy depends on blocking voters, it’s not democracy to me
I never took my husband’s name for either marriage. I never needed validation for that decision, one that a few people gave me grief over. Still - here’s that feeling of validation.
Won’t matter once they just make it illegal for women to vote. They don’t quite have the balls for that yet.
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Wouldn't this disproportionately affect conservative married women as they're more likely than leftist or liberal women to change their name when getting married?
so? They don't care. Instead of "having to make sure their woman votes right" (and you can find quite a lot of stories about that last November...) they just deny so his vote is always right.
That happened to me in Kansas since you have to present a drivers license or state ID to vote. Took me 4 months and a call to my state representative to get my license.
I’m going to be beyond livid if I have to pay & go to the trouble of changing my name back to the man responsible for my childhood abuse!! This is such bs, land of the free my ass!
I've been married more than once. So I'd need to show my birth certificate, marriage #1 certificate, divorce papers, and marriage #2 certificate (because after divorce, I still used name from marriage #1). It's just ridiculous
That may be our job as democrats. Go around and ask people if they need assistance obtaining their birth certificates and marriage licenses. Then maybe even obtain a passport. If everyone asks their neighbors it might get done. But we need to start now.
And married guys who took their husband's names. I only know 1 guy who took his wife's name. My point is they get 2 birds w 1 stone, some gay guys, and a lot of straight women. I am appalled at the Neanderthal thinking, taking us backward to a time that never really existed.
Well, lets adjudicate under the recently ratified ERA.
38 states have now ratified as of 2020. The Archivist must publish it.
Congress does NOT have explicit power to set ratification deadlines under the Constitution. The 27th was ratified 202 years after it passed Congress.
Whether or not wives have money husbands will let them or they’re smart enough to do. It waits to be seen. The problem is the older women. The elderly are going to have a much harder time but then that’s the point.
Well, they can get one. It just takes probably by now $25 and a few weeks they need to know there place of birth& then go to that county registrars website and order it. You have to prove your identity uploading your drivers license and your marriage certificate I know, cause I had to get a passport
or maybe they just ignore you instead of taking the time to call you out. I call them as I see them. Always have, always will. 🤷
And, this is not the time to be putting things mildly.
Ladies, please! Stop changing your names! He is marrying you, not adopting you. And, how are we supposed to develop an ol’e gals network if we’re always busy changing our names to some rando name our old friends could never guess?
I'd like to be more anonymous, actually, which is one reason I would change my (relatively unique) name.
Anyway, we should probably just let women make their own choices instead of prescribing a choice one way or the other. The problem is the law, not the name change.
A lot of women I know changed their name to share it with their children. Let’s not blame women for the patriarchal culture that has been forced upon us all.
No one is blaming women for patriarchy. I never changed my name but also never corrected anyone when my kids were little. So, socially I was known for a while as Mrs his name; but professionally/legally my name was always the same. Our property is in a trust with both our names as co trustees.
I didn’t change my name and my children have my name but going back to the original assumption that it’s on women to just not change their name isn’t really helpful when the system is rigged
There is nothing “rigged” about whether to change your name at marriage. It custom, not law. Women who choose to change their name also choose to make it harder for old friends to connect with them. Their choice. I simply advocate for women to stick together in the business world - like men do
i know some of those women. just voted to keep the peace. they're not dumb, just trapped. on the other hand. they don't admit anything either. i don't blame them. life is long and relatively unfair.
It's workin' these devils have been at it for 35 yrs ever since Reagan. Federalist Len Leo calls the shots, distributes millions even looks after the boys at the State level. It's a lock
I cannot believe they figured out a way to do even this. It's amazing to me. God, the fascists have been some busy beavers in the 4 years Biden was president and a whole bunch of people were deluding themselves everything would go back to normal. Future historians are going to puzzle over that.
People are so ignorant. We are going to the local college and having students sign a petition to "end women's Suffrage" I bet we get a ton of signatures
Yep. The chain from birth name, first marriage, divorce, 2nd "marriage" never legally registered, but kept the name, explain that, then 3rd marriage. I have 50 pages of documents I need when I need to prove my name.
I have a valid birth certificate but it doesnt match my married name. This would be one reason why women should not take their husband's name after marrying. And maybe shouldn't marry period.
Exactly your birth certificate couldn't reflect your married name . So that is a voter suppression technique by severely limiting the type of documents that prove your identity and citizenship status. I have a passport too, but many people I know do not because of expense and hassle of getting one.
I know, it certainly is voter suppression, but a birth certificate is NOT proof of identify by itself, so there is that. most women do change their social security cards though. They would also have a marriage certificate with both names I would think.
birth certificate is proof of citizenship, and you also have a marriage certificate that should prove you had that name and then married and it was changed geeze, this has always been simple and they are just inventing ways to keep people from voting!
A married woman can get a passport, you send your proof of id in, birth certificate too but my name was changed on my social security card as well and I have my passport in my married name. A birth certificate is not proof of identiy esp on its own. You need a photo id for that.
Aaah, Project 2025.... It's all in their. Minorities: let's make it uncomfortable, inconvenient, and tiring to be here. Welcome to Trump land. It's what maga wants.
Oh, I already am. I'm not changing my name back.
I'm fighting for the women in abusive relationships who left their husbands and had to change their names. I'm fighting for the adopted children who took their adopted family name. I'm fighting for women and men who choose to take their spouses name.
Just bc you don't understand it doesn't mean other people are wrong for doing it.
I did take my husband's last name bc that's how I was brought up. That was just what we did. I've changed it to my own.
A friend took her husband's name bc she hates her father, another bc she liked his better (King)
Not for nothing, what about the vast majority of MEN not having a birth certificate! This works both ways you know. If you asked my husband where his was, he'd look at me!
My husband deals with his own paperwork, like an adult...he knows where his birth certificate/passport etc is. Because I put my foot down, and told him I deal with enough, he can take care of his own stuff
Oh go fuck yourself with that bullshit. Must be nice living your life perfectly all the time. The rest of us have day to day shit to deal with that you don't want to begin to understand so you can feel better about yourself.
I deal with shit day to day too. Then let's add a few autoimmune diseases to the mix, and some ADHD. I work, I keep the house clean and running day to day, deal with appointments for me and the kid. I don't need to also keep track of another adults shit. Get over it
You’re calling 69 million women lazy? I have actually seen this go down at the dmv several times, these women bring their birth certificates and they are not accepted, they always have to have their marriage license and how many do you think carry that around? So there is a second trip.
I have nesting piles where I know where stuff is. She occasionally just cleans things out of existence. She'll decide on a new home, then promptly forget where she put it.
We'll end up finding out where she put things when we do spring cleaning. The box is inviolate though.
I didn't want my maiden name. My father was abusive and treated my worse than garbage. I'll never go back to it. I shouldn't have to. This is effing BS and we know the only way they win is by cheating and stacking the odds.
See if someone will adopt you. Don't laugh. When my second husband adopted my first 2 kids from first marriage, they were issued new BCs with new name!
Hmm...this is a problem, as I also changed my name when I got married. My wife and I both chose to hyphenate as I find it extremely misogynistic when the woman changes her name and the man doesn't.
I made certain to get my passport renewed before January 20th and got passports for my children as well. So all of our papers were in order expecting them to make it more difficult under Trump.
I had to order a long form birth certificate & provide a certified copy of my marriage license from 1997 just to RENEW my passport. Nothing has changed since my last passport was issued. I had my driver’s license that was renewed to meet new air travel requirements but that was not enough.
They're already doing this in Indiana. I have my original birth certificate and a valid CO driver's license and a copy of my marriage license. Can't get an Indiana DL
Because they know it’s common practice. I have my birth certificate, marriage license, passport, & REAL ID drivers license with my names on them. Yes, the last 3 my surname is different from the birth certificate. They’ve ALWAYS been allowed to be used. /1
The last time I voted, the registrars office had even removed my maiden name. So who would know what would be allowed? And yes, it’s an attempt to keep me (us) from voting. 2/2
I'm wondering this too. I need to read more about it. Are they saying that if you don't have a US birth certificate then you can't vote? What about naturalized citizens?
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https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-save-act-would-disenfranchise-millions-of-citizens/
5 million dollars.
This is such a disheartening shitshow.
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(see https://snyder.substack.com/p/shadow-cabinet)
#DOGE is how he will do it.
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The gov has all our vital info. It wouldn't be hard to change to a "Sarah Smith (nee Connors)" name system, which would solve the issue.
I highly recommend not changing your last name at marriage!
I also have my passport, which puts me in a slightly different category when it comes to demonstrating citizenship.
They're also eliminating Treaty IDs as eligible. So lots of Indigenous ppl too...
I was just shocked when the article specified no Treaty cards... the irony of Indigenous peoples not being American *enough*
From a sociological viewpoint this will be interesting. Does this mean that the perennially-maligned never-married woman will retain her voting rights. Will Cat Ladies ascend in political power? (/sarcasm)
That isn't a GOP thing. They would get hit harder.
If there are bureaucratic issues preventing millions of citizens from getting a proper ID - that’s a problem that should be addressed, without the partisan spin.
And is used against us
My wife is definitely not my chattel!
We need to stop making this a normal practice and point it out for what it is
I do think the archaic notion of taking someone else’s name after marriage needs to end.
Roughly 10-11 names for about 20 people. Hilarious...
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After I transitioned I had to change my name anyway. But, I only had to do it once, so maybe I still won? 🫠
Every time you hear GOP talk about “Biblical,” most people don’t really fully understand what they mean because they haven’t actually read that fictional book of fear, hate, slavery, rape, incest, murder, genocide, & atrocity.
Misogyny, racism, & xenophobia are “Biblical.”
Naomi Whitehead (oldest US citizen) was born (1910) before women could vote.
It's so far to the right it's almost far left feminism.
1. For trans people, it's all about what's on your birth certificate - which they insist is immutable.
But...
2. For a cis woman, once she gets married, her birth certificate becomes 'invalid' and her married name (her husband's name) is now her true identity.
?
Big surprise. It wasn’t all about 2% of the population.
And then they think passing their anti-abortion law is going to make more children for their workforce in the future.
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A Republican politician is being duly lambasted from offscreen about being a spineless hypocrite, with citations, while slumping further and further forward.
By the final panel, he appears about to come full circle and cram his head up his ass.
By the end, he appears to be having regrets, if only because he might end up suffering consequences himself.
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Too real, really.
I am not good at knowing what to write for alt text usually, so when I could, I did. I am glad if it helps.
Correct identification is part of the process, so this is redundant, unnecessary and should go before the courts.
And if you're thinking then women just won't get married, they'll find a way to penalise that too.
That's what they want though. You exhausted.
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Leaves pretty much white men.
All you have to do is go online and order one from the County your born in,
It’s not complicated, All of our records can be ordered if you don’t have them,
I’m not sure why you’re suggesting that birth certificate would be invalid,
If you change your name, Showing proof of those documents would just be standard practice,
How it wrong?
What has happened to all those strong American women?
It seems Stepford Wives was true after all.
Marinate for a minute while I find the sources.
If you're well-intentioned but wrong, you can go to jail for voting 😀👍
Of course ppl have right to change their names whenever they want. But the tradition to force/encourage half of population to change names is a bad tradition, should be abolished, adding enormous cost on society.
Do not have my maiden name branded on my foot yet. When will they require that??
Imbeciles.
All because they hate women.
Sick.
Tradition says father's surname first, mom's surname second. Now you can name them with mom's surname first.
They pretty much are required now by law. Thanks for your input.
Funny how making it "more difficult, but not impossible" to buy a gun is a nonstarter for these people. But making it "more difficult" to vote - meh.
Because in the real world, making voting more difficult means that voting will be impossible for some people. That's the point of the bill.
I wish more people put their energy into fighting voter suppression instead of arguing that voter suppression isn't voter suppression.
"If you already have a bunch of additional paperwork it's fine" is a terrible standard for retention of basic rights.
"...list of accepted Real ID documents includes a birth certificate, passport or permanent resident card, for the agency’s purposes those are considered proof of identity rather than proof of citizenship."
It's greatly improved, but they've added other language that I need to review. There's additional fishiness going on now.
Not only for the nature of them, but also the speed of degradation of USA's democracy system.
I went to the underfunded poor and black school, so petty Country Club antebellum bullshit did not apply.
These fuckers can fuck all the way off.
Before long, we will all have to ‘carry papers’ to prove our citizenship
I was young and stupid in my first marriage, gave up maiden name and took husband's dutifully.
Second (current/last) marriage, I took my maiden name BACK, hyphenated it and added new husband's surname at the end. (Makes more sense to me.) 🙂
It seems that having a valid Passport would circumvent this, but what percent of women in the US have a valid Passport?
Won’t matter once they just make it illegal for women to vote. They don’t quite have the balls for that yet.
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Is literally going back one hundred years.
Next gonna be any non-white citizen.
I had to call the supervisor's supervisor
38 states have now ratified as of 2020. The Archivist must publish it.
Congress does NOT have explicit power to set ratification deadlines under the Constitution. The 27th was ratified 202 years after it passed Congress.
...not the ideal fix, but a fix nonetheless
...just letting frightened people know all hope is not lost...
...but I usually don't get called out for it. I find people usually understand what was meant.
And, this is not the time to be putting things mildly.
Anyway, we should probably just let women make their own choices instead of prescribing a choice one way or the other. The problem is the law, not the name change.
What’s in a name???
They are so stupid
This is sick.
We are not in The 19thC, people.
We don’t need husbands to prove our worthiness to vote.
FIGHT FOR WHAT IS YOUR BIRTHRIGHT.
I'm fighting for the women in abusive relationships who left their husbands and had to change their names. I'm fighting for the adopted children who took their adopted family name. I'm fighting for women and men who choose to take their spouses name.
I did take my husband's last name bc that's how I was brought up. That was just what we did. I've changed it to my own.
A friend took her husband's name bc she hates her father, another bc she liked his better (King)
I’m not your fucking mommy
I deal with shit day to day too. Then let's add a few autoimmune diseases to the mix, and some ADHD. I work, I keep the house clean and running day to day, deal with appointments for me and the kid. I don't need to also keep track of another adults shit. Get over it
Where's [x]? In the box.
We'll end up finding out where she put things when we do spring cleaning. The box is inviolate though.
On the other, it’s fucking terrifying that things are even at this point.
Well, sorry, my parents were very remiss at my birth. Not knowing what my future last name would be.
If you haven’t done that - do it TODAY.
But most of all - NEVER change your legal name. Ever.
NEVER put a ‘married’ name on any document unless you have officially completed name change process.
Most of 'em can't produce anything.